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phill4paul
10-27-2012, 05:11 AM
I'm sure they would rather have had an armed drone in this situation. Then any wrongdoing could be blamed on 'malfunction.'

http://news.yahoo.com/trooper-fired-chopper-stop-truck-kills-2-013027265.html

LA JOYA, Texas (AP) — A Texas state trooper who fired on a pickup truck from a helicopter and killed two illegal immigrants during a chase through the desert was trying to disable the vehicle and suspected it was being used to smuggle drugs, authorities said Friday.
The disclosure came a day after the incident that left two Guatemalan nationals dead on an isolated gravel road near the town of La Joya, just north of the Mexico border.

State game wardens were the first to encounter the truck Thursday. After the driver refused to stop, they radioed for help and state police responded, according to Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox.

When the helicopter with a sharpshooter arrived, officers concluded that the truck appeared to be carrying a "typical covered drug load" on its bed and was travelling at reckless speeds, police said.

After the shots were fired and the truck's tires blown out, the driver lost control and crashed into a ditch. State police said a preliminary investigation revealed that the shots fired from the helicopter struck the vehicle's occupants.
Eight people who were in the truck were arrested. At least seven of them were also from Guatemala. No drugs were found.
The Guatemalan consul in McAllen, Alba Caceres, told The Associated Press that the surviving witnesses told her "one died immediately, the other was apparently taken to a hospital and died on the way."

The sharpshooter was placed on administrative leave, a standard procedure after such incidents.

An expert on police chases said the decision to fire on the truck was "a reckless act" that served "no legitimate law enforcement purpose."
"In 25 years following police pursuits, I hadn't seen a situation where an officer shot a speeding vehicle from a helicopter," said Geoffrey Alpert, professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina. Such action would be reasonable only if "you know for sure the person driving the car deserves to die and that there are no other occupants."
In general, he said, law enforcement agencies allow the use of deadly force only when the car is being used as a weapon, not "just on a hunch," Alpert added.

The Texas Department of Public Safety referred questions about its policy governing the use of deadly force to its general manual, which says troopers are allowed to use such force when defending themselves or someone else from serious harm or death. Shooting at vehicles is justified to disable a vehicle or when deadly force is deemed necessary.

Other law enforcement agencies that patrol the border say they have similar limits on the practice.
For instance, federal Customs and Borders Protection agents "are trained to use deadly force in circumstances that pose a threat to their lives, the lives of their fellow law enforcement partners and innocent third parties," agency spokesman Doug Mosier said.

But a report presented Thursday to the United Nations by the American Civil Liberties Union said shootings and excessive force by Customs and Border Protection agents on the border have left at least 20 individuals dead or seriously hurt since January 2010.
Of those, eight cases involved agents responding to reports of people throwing rocks. Six involved people killed while standing on the Mexican side of the border.

In recent years, Texas state police have increased their presence in the border area, deploying more agents, more helicopters and more boats to patrol the Rio Grande.
Troopers are regularly involved in high-speed pursuits, often chasing drug smugglers into the river and back to Mexico.
Agency Director Stephen McCraw has said state police were pushed into that role because the federal government's efforts to secure the border have been insufficient.

Diplomats quickly began their own investigation into the chase.
The head of the Guatemalan Consulate in McAllen said she is demanding federal and state authorities provide an explanation.
"I am baffled. I can't understand how this could happen," Caceres said. "I understand that the agents are doing their job, that they are protecting their border. But if there is someone who is responsible for this, he has to pay."

The Guatemalans started their journey 19 days ago near Guatemala City, with plans to stay with friends and relatives in New York, New Jersey and Houston, she said.

They were covered with a tarp, but as the car sped away from the game warden and the helicopter, the men "were having lots of trouble holding on to that tarp, Caceres said. "They must have seen them."

thoughtomator
10-27-2012, 06:18 AM
They're just acting out what they learned playing Grand Theft Liberty.

Brian4Liberty
10-27-2012, 10:36 AM
Another day, another outrage. If it's OK for Obama to kill people without any due process, it must be OK for all of the enforcers.

Anti Federalist
10-27-2012, 10:47 AM
Another day, another outrage. If it's OK for Obama to kill people without any due process, it must be OK for all of the enforcers.

Pretty much this.

Before long, we'll be getting vaporized by Hellfire missiles.

And this news is met a with great yawn.

Until it gets it's own reality show.

Then Boobus will sit around and cheer the "bug splat".

Anti Federalist
10-27-2012, 10:48 AM
"In 25 years following police pursuits, I hadn't seen a situation where an officer shot a speeding vehicle from a helicopter," said Geoffrey Alpert, professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina. Such action would be reasonable only if "you know for sure the person driving the car deserves to die and that there are no other occupants."

When did cops start deciding who "deserves to die", Professor?

specsaregood
10-27-2012, 10:49 AM
So let me get this straight. The official story is that a guy with a rifle in a flying helicopter thought he was gonna be able to shoot out the tires on a fast moving truck possibly on a dirt road?

Anti Federalist
10-27-2012, 10:51 AM
So let me get this straight. The official story is that a guy with a rifle in a flying helicopter thought he was gonna be able to shoot out the tires on a fast moving truck possibly on a dirt road?

Yeah.

You got a problem with that, Mundane?

specsaregood
10-27-2012, 11:02 AM
Yeah.
You got a problem with that, Mundane?

Dunno, i'm no expert marksman; but that sounds like a very difficult target with a very low chance of success.

Anti Federalist
10-27-2012, 11:06 AM
Dunno, i'm no expert marksman; but that sounds like a very difficult target with a very low chance of success.

Well, I really don't care what you think it sounds like. Now move along, before I thump your head for you. - Officer Friendly.

ETA-Sorry, all kidding and snark aside, as a shooter, yes, that would be a one in a million shot.

specsaregood
10-27-2012, 11:17 AM
Well, I really don't care what you think it sounds like. Now move along, before I thump your head for you. - Officer Friendly.
ETA-Sorry, all kidding and snark aside, as a shooter, yes, that would be a one in a million shot.

My suggestion would be to put that officer's family in the back of a pickup under the same conditions and ask him if he would still be comfortable taking those shots.

JK/SEA
10-27-2012, 11:23 AM
''one adam 12, one adam 12, you are clear to activate drone #2250''..repeat..activate lethal drone #2250 copy, over?''

LibertyEagle
10-27-2012, 11:32 AM
Smacks way too much of the USSR for my taste.

angelatc
10-27-2012, 11:38 AM
I think the truck obviously startled the guy in the helicopter.

Anti Federalist
10-27-2012, 11:41 AM
I think the truck obviously startled the guy in the helicopter.

LOL - It growled at him.

LibForestPaul
10-27-2012, 07:21 PM
Well, I really don't care what you think it sounds like. Now move along, before I thump your head for you. - Officer Friendly.

ETA-Sorry, all kidding and snark aside, as a shooter, yes, that would be a one in a million shot.

the target area of a tire is quite a bit less then target area of vehicle compartment, no?

pcosmar
10-28-2012, 07:44 AM
For your further consideration,,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Guatemala


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Fp_o_nyzg

presence
10-28-2012, 08:45 AM
spray and pray?