AC-130 gunship was on scene near Benghazi during attack

[AuH20]

Does anyone understand any of this??? Why let the consulate get overrun??? Were these valuable fighters from AL-CIA that weren't supposed to be touched? This doesn't make any sense.

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2012/10/beyond-unconscionable-this-is-high-treason-ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire-2444464.html


The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

[AuH20]

Hmmm. Interesting rumors:

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2012/10/bill-clinton-told-hillary-to-resign-us-arming-syrian-rebels-with-ties-to-al-queda-muslim-brotherhood/


To fully understand what happened in Benghazi, we need to step back. Ambassador Stevens was located in a CIA safehouse (otherwise known as the building burned down during attack)–that location is where on the night of the attack he dined with the Turkish General Counsel. Why? Why was Stevens meeting with this Turkish official? Apparently, in reports the US was gun running weapons through Turkey to aid the Syrian Rebels, but the real kicker here is that we handed over 400 tons in one shipment, to Al Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood, who are the leaders of these so called “Syrian Rebels”. We can speculate what the Turkish General Counsel talked with Ambassador Stevens about that night—but what is clear is that the Al Queda backed forces were on scene whilst the two men dined.

[Pericles]

Engaging by fire or otherwise violating a nation's border can only be authorized by one person. And that would be .....

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012



The biggest stench from the Benghazi fiasco is that it is beginning to smell like Obama went “nighty-night” to rest up for Las Vegas, instead of manning up in the Situation Room and seeing the crisis through and (had he only been awake) ordering a rescue mission.
In Benghazi, after 6-8 hours enduring a few “Fort Apaches,” with running street battles in … between, (like a mini Blackhawk Down), the living Americans must have been thinking, “Any minute now, here come the helicopters! Just hang on!”


But they didn’t. So even though Delta had forward staged to Sigonella Sicily (rumint) from base in Germany, nobody was willing or able to pull the trigger and send a rescue force. Or even a few F-18 supersonic flybys, to bust windows and warn, “Here comes American airpower, and you camel jockeys know what that means.” Just as a morale booster it would have helped the besieged staffers.


But it was never sent, not even a lousy supersonic low-level flyby. One hour from bases in Italy, max.


Here is the deal. The military automatically does a lot on its own, under standing orders and SOPs. The minute they see that the consulate is under attack, and the ambassador and others are in a “safe room” hiding, it becomes TOP priority. Every other mission aborts or slaves over to support any possible rescue.


At that moment when the critical incident alarm messages start ringing, military steps happen on autopilot in real time. Everybody in the Navy and USAF chain of command swings into a crisis contingency plan mode. What ships are closest? Helicopters? Marines? Delta is in Germany? Get them moving right now. Where is closest? Sigonella, for now. It’s NATO, no permission needed, just fly.


En route in C-17s, the D-boys would even be prepping for an immediate action rescue mission, that is, the C-17s will fly directly to some desert road outside of Benghazi, and here comes “The Raid On Entebbe,” done in crisis mode, canned actions, but they would do it. They practice for these exact scenarios, and leave gear staged for them.
They would coordinate with fighters out of Italy, mid-air-refueling platforms start shifting, it’s a huge show that swings into action for thousands of miles around Behghazi. The ongoing consulate attack is JOB ONE, the only job. VIPs will be tossed off of planes at remote runways if they need that platform.


Or Marines on amphibious ships in the central Med, (if any were available), would also be put on the real-time options board. We used to have a “Amphibious Ready Group” of about 3-5 USN gator freighters, including a helo carrier like a Tarawa class. They carry an entire battalion of USMC, plus SEALs etc, with helos and Ospreys to carry them all. (But not at once.) Where was our ARG? Does our Navy have enough ships for that mission any more?
But while all of that military staging would have happened/did happen during the 6-8 hour battle at the consulate and annex, what the military cannot do on their own say-so is cross an international border without an order from the NCA, the National Command Authority, and that means POTUS, Obama.


Only POTUS can authorize a cross-border hostile mission. That is, guns clear, no official permission from the Tripoli govt (if it really exists outside State Dept fantasies.)
Only one man can pull that trigger and say, “GO!” Obama.


(But for America to act “unilaterally” would have meant the bogus Libyan Arab Spring and so-called new Libyan Unity Govt. that we were propping up didn’t really exist. Libyan sovereignty must be held sacrosanct, even the false image of one, where in reality, Al Queda is top dog in Libya. Even when an Al Queda offshoot is your external “security,” namely, “The 17th of February Martyrs Brigade.” IOW, the White House thought they had a “deal” with AQ in Behghazi, since we were helping to run weaponry from Libya to their pals in Syria. So there was an “institutional bias” at State against crossing the border on a rescue operation sin permisso.)


Anyway, be that as it may, no General or Admiral will order the Marines ashore, or a Delta raid or even an F-18 or F-16 low-level supersonic flyby. They can not and will not cross a border without a clear-cut order from POTUS via the NCA. Not even Hillary can make that decision. Only Obama.


But no order came, as of midnight in DC. And then none would come. Because the POTUS retired for the night with a “do not disturb” sign on his door, punted, and went to bed, to be well rested for Las Vegas.


While his ambassador was off the U.S. radar, missing, at that moment possibly being dragged down a Benghazi street or even raped. But that is when Obama went to bed. Midnight in DC is 0600 in Beghazi.


That is the greatest scandal of Benghazi. The POTUS slept through it, while all around the world, military forces were poised for the Raid on Entebbe or any other damn thing the POTUS ordered them to do. (And the were raring to go, believe me.)


But the POTUS said, “We’ll discuss it further in the morning,” and then he went to bed around midnight in DC, 0600 in Benghazi, with a missing ambassador and a full-blown crisis in full mega flap.


He punted. He went to bed.


God help us.


I think that’s the big secret they are keeping. The President went to bed, with his lost Ambassador being dragged through streets.


Obama went to bed.

[AuH20]

Ok, it has been established that the Obama Administration has been caught shipping weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it that much of a stretch to conclude that they have been discretely supplying arms to the 'Syrian Rebels' AKA Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?? And coincidentally the Administration's point man for all these "transactions", Ambassador Stevens is killed in these attacks, conveniently washing away a key potential leak.

[nobody's_hero]

Ok, it has been established that the Obama Administration has been caught shipping weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it that much of a stretch to conclude that they have been discretely supplying arms to the 'Syrian Rebels' AKA Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?? And coincidentally the Administration's point man for all these "transactions", Ambassador Stevens is killed in these attacks, conveniently washing away a key potential leak.

Possibly.

I don't know what the gunship could have done, though. I mean, I know what they're capable of. I just don't know if spraying down thousands of bullets on a crowd of people would have helped the situation any.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGH-zBHbPKc&feature=related

That said, there is a lot that the president doesn't seem to want to talk about with the election right around the corner, of course. He probably wishes he could just go off to bed from now until election day.

[Brian4Liberty]

Heard on the radio that rescue ground forces were in the area but not given the go ahead by the White House. Probably a rumor.

[fr33]

There never was a consulate or embassy in Benghazi. The whole thing smells like a false flag.

[Lucille]

Heard on the radio that rescue ground forces were in the area but not given the go ahead by the White House. Probably a rumor.

I read that they were repeatedly denied assistance. The moral of the story is, you do NOT want to be an ambassador on Obama's watch. (Or a SEAL, or CIA, or anything else, for that matter.)

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/


Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
[...]
The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

ETA:

Report: Hillary Asked For More Security in Benghazi, Obama Said No
http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/10/26/report-hillary-asked-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2AWCoOdrP


Last night, it was revealed that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had ordered more security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before it was attacked where four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens were murdered by Al-Qaeda but President Obama denied the request.

The news broke on TheBlazeTV’s “Wilkow!” hosted by Andrew Wilkow, by best-selling author, Ed Klein who said the legal counsel to Clinton had informed him of this information.

Klein also said that those same sources said that former President Bill Clinton has been “urging” his wife [Hillary] to release official State Department documents that prove she called for additional security at the compound in Libya, which would almost certainly result in President Obama losing the election.

[Lucille]

Watch "Special Report Investigates: Benghazi -- New Revelations" on Fox News at 1 p.m. ET on Saturday, 3 p.m. on Sunday and 10 p.m. on Sunday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AWT1HBp3

I have this on now.

[Zippyjuan]

Does anyone understand any of this??? Why let the consulate get overrun??? Were these valuable fighters from AL-CIA that weren't supposed to be touched? This doesn't make any sense.

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2012/10/beyond-unconscionable-this-is-high-treason-ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire-2444464.html

Nearly 500 miles away is "on scene"? To me, "on scene" sounds like it was in the air in the area.

based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away,

[AuH20]

Nearly 500 miles away is "on scene"? To me, "on scene" sounds like it was in the air in the area.

The paragraph cites that the operator had the enemy laser-targeted for air support. Either the article is inaccurate or a C-130 was relatively close-by.

[pcosmar]

Can't tell the players without a program,,

Who's who,,? or what's what? Our government and the media lie so consistently, nothing said can be taken at face value.

that said,, I wonder what "Spooky" was doing there in the first place?
:confused:

Perhaps our own government took out our own guy for reasons that aren't specified,, and the rest is bullshit cover stories.

[Zippyjuan]

If it was at the base, it would have taken over an hour just in flight time for an AC-130 to get there (flight speed listed as 350- 400 mph)- not counting time to prep the plane and get pilots on it. Perhaps the thought was that things would be over by the time they got word that something was going on and one might be needed? Given that information keeps changing things seem to have been pretty confusing as to what was really going on.

[youngbuck]

It's all too convoluted for me to make much sense of, but one thing it does do is make me sick to my stomach. :mad:

When collectivism and demented utilitarianism rule the day, individual lives are readily sacrificial. The machine is unaffected and will continue to move. I no longer expect justice, but instead injustice.

[thoughtomator]

is it yet time to start asking questions such as "which donor at the Las Vegas fundraiser Obama attended the next day wanted Stevens dead?"

[cswake]

There is something definitely inconsistent from all the statements versus the available facts. It really seems that the actions of the Navy Seal, Tyrone Woods, by disobeying orders, is what really made this set of events spiral out of control and change the outcome that those in-charge were expecting.

It screams to me a political cover-up due to the fact that the two top commanders in the region have been removed from their positions in the month since the events transpired, prior to a comprehensive review which would be required to terminate such seasoned officers.

Some additional places to read for more insight:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=213240
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/has_general_ham_been_fired.html#ixzz2AXQxjJwu
http://www.stripes.com/news/obama-to-nominate-army-gen-rodriguez-to-lead-africom-1.193564
http://www.stripes.com/news/navy/navy-replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group-1.194780


This article seems to connect the dots:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586

[RonRules]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/285659_4443947053057_1596180484_n.jpg

[fr33]

I don't buy it. There is no reason to think Obama, who is also a warmongering interventionist, would not have done something about it. The alleged consulate was actually a CIA safe house. This was most likely a CIA false flag op in which they acted independently from the white house for political reasons.

[juleswin]

I don't buy it. There is no reason to think Obama, who is also a warmongering interventionist, would not have done something about it. The alleged consulate was actually a CIA safe house. This was most likely a CIA false flag op in which they acted independently from the white house for political reasons.

Quite frankly I think its just a case of blow back. The Libyans people(same ones fighting the puppet govt in Bani Walid) exerted revenge on one of the architects of the war in Libya. Why the hell would Obama or the CIA wanna take out a loyal solider in Stevens? And the tall tale of 2 Navy Seals holding off a platoon of "terrorists" is just that, tall fricken tales.

My guess is that the administration were faced with a blow back story and tried to covered it with a silly reason like the YT video. That the people being liberated are out kicking out the so called liberators is not something you want to be in news coverage during an election time.

[fr33]

Quite frankly I think its just a case of blow back. The Libyans people(same ones fighting the puppet govt in Bani Walid) exerted revenge on one of the architects of the war in Libya. Why the hell would Obama or the CIA wanna take out a loyal solider in Stevens? And the tall tale of 2 Navy Seals holding off a platoon of "terrorists" is just that, tall fricken tales.

My guess is that the administration were faced with a blow back story and tried to covered it with a silly reason like the YT video. That the people being liberated are out kicking out the so called liberators is not something you want to be in news coverage during an election time.The CIA would take out Stevens to help Romney be elected. Why wouldn't Obama send the needed security unless he didn't know this was going to happen. He's proven he'll bomb anybody, anywhere. The CIA is running their mouths now claiming they warned him. I bet they fired the RPGs or payed the people that fired them.

[AuH20]

The CIA would take out Stevens to help Romney be elected. Why wouldn't Obama send the needed security unless he didn't know this was going to happen. He's proven he'll bomb anybody, anywhere. The CIA is running their mouths now claiming they warned him. I bet they fired the RPGs or payed the people that fired them.

But there are a few different factions within the CIA. It isn't uniform in terms of protocol, loyalty and motives. That's what is so dangerous about the nature of the CIA.

[juleswin]

The CIA would take out Stevens to help Romney be elected. Why wouldn't Obama send the needed security unless he didn't know this was going to happen. He's proven he'll bomb anybody, anywhere. The CIA is running their mouths now claiming they warned him. I bet they fired the RPGs or payed the people that fired them.

I seriously doubt they will be that reckless with a man in his position. Those kinds of attack hurt recruiting. I really dont think it is the CIA inside attack, the Libyans most likely got lucky and took out a top target.

[fr33]

I seriously doubt they will be that reckless with a man in his position. Those kinds of attack hurt recruiting. I really dont think it is the CIA inside attack, the Libyans most likely got lucky and took out a top target.I'm not even a 911 truther but the CIA largely have no regard for human lives. I wouldn't put anything past them. I do think this was a false flag October surprise. (start complaining a month later that Obama didn't authorize security)

[juleswin]

I'm not even a 911 truther but the CIA largely have no regard for human lives. I wouldn't put anything past them. I do think this was a false flag October surprise. (start complaining a month later that Obama didn't authorize security)

This is a little off topic but take some time and watch this YT video and I promise you turn into a truther after it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ySUrEiVFIM&feature=my_favorites&list=FLqqHs735k6ChLRBjEA1NZ7w

I agree the CIA have very little regard for human life but killing your own people tend to lower the resolve and passion of your current employees. Who in their mind will continue to work for an organization that disposes of the lives of their top member? Then again, I think all this is irrelevant. The Libyan affair wouldn't affect the election result, the man who helped start the uprising that destroyed Libya is dead. Lets just take this as a learning experience and move on.

[AuH20]

Interesting call from someone in the know...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lljKmmZyCiw#!

[RickPerryLost]

The amount of propaganda spilled by everybody in the media, military, and everywhere else means we probably know very little of what happened and why. Remember the propaganda Jessica Lynch story? Or, the propaganda behind the Pat Tillman story? Was anybody ever fired/charged with lies behind those events/stories "leaked" to the public?

[Lucille]

IS OBAMA UNFIT FOR COMMAND?
Exclusive: Vox Day demands Congress investigate American deaths in Libya
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/is-obama-unfit-for-command/


There were no American helicopters shot down at the CIA annex in Benghazi. But those who have seen the movie, “Blackhawk Down,” will surely recall the scene where the two Delta snipers, Randy Shugart and Gary Gordon, are desperately fighting off the Somali attackers, who are attempting to capture the crew of the downed Black Hawk. Shugart and Gordon, valiant men who were both posthumously awarded the congressional Medal of Honor, killed 25 Somalis while defending the crew before being killed by the enemy militia.

As the details of the large-scale attacks on the American diplomatic compound and the CIA annex gradually leak out into the press, it appears that two of the four fallen Americans, former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, died fighting in a manner no less valorous than Sgt. 1st Class Shugart and Master Sgt. Gordon. While there have been no reliable reports to substantiate the claim as yet, it has been rumored that the two ex-SEALs accounted for even more jihadists than the brave snipers of Mogadishu. If the rumors subsequently turn out to be true, the Battle of Benghazi would merit its place in military history alongside “Blackhawk Down,” the Alamo and other courageous American last stands.

And it would also merit considerable outrage on the part of the SEALs’ families, as well as the American military and the American public. In addition to the remarkable – and to be honest, not very credible – enemy body count, there are also reports, which are laid out in a wiki-timeline of the attack, that the two men requested military support at least three times and were repeatedly denied. It is reported that although the fighting at the annex went on for four hours, six hours and 20 minutes after the attack on the diplomatic mission began, no assistance was provided despite two Special Ops teams and an entire airbase full of jets and helicopters only two hours away. Even worse, the request for military support was denied, despite two surveillance drones that were patrolling the area and providing live information that was available to the White House.
[...]
Now the Navy admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East has been replaced due to an investigation into “an accusation of inappropriate leadership judgment,” there are rumors that Gen. Carter F. Ham, the commander of U.S. Africa Command, has been fired, and the CIA has put out an official statement declaring, “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need.” The situation fairly reeks of a desperate White House attempting to cover whatever responsibility for the debacle.

It is certainly still possible that the commander in chief was blameless in the entire affair, but that appears unlikely considering the amount of provable untruths that his administration has put forth with regard to it. This is why a public congressional investigation into the Benghazi attacks is required now, not after the election, so that the American people can take the facts of the matter into account while they are deciding if Barack Obama merits a second term.

Obama himself should welcome such an inquiry. Otherwise, he may one day find himself facing the families of Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and being told something very similar to what Herbert Shughart, the father of Randy Shughart, told Bill Clinton after refusing to shake his hand.

“You are not fit to be president of the United States. The blame for my son’s death rests with the White House and with you. You are not fit to command.”

[Brian4Liberty]

Engaging by fire or otherwise violating a nation's border can only be authorized by one person. And that would be .....

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012
...
But they didn’t. So even though Delta had forward staged to Sigonella Sicily (rumint) from base in Germany, nobody was willing or able to pull the trigger and send a rescue force. Or even a few F-18 supersonic flybys, to bust windows and warn, “Here comes American airpower, and you camel jockeys know what that means.” Just as a morale booster it would have helped the besieged staffers.

But it was never sent, not even a lousy supersonic low-level flyby. One hour from bases in Italy, max.
...
But while all of that military staging would have happened/did happen during the 6-8 hour battle at the consulate and annex, what the military cannot do on their own say-so is cross an international border without an order from the NCA, the National Command Authority, and that means POTUS, Obama.

Only POTUS can authorize a cross-border hostile mission. That is, guns clear, no official permission from the Tripoli govt (if it really exists outside State Dept fantasies.)
Only one man can pull that trigger and say, “GO!” Obama.

(But for America to act “unilaterally” would have meant the bogus Libyan Arab Spring and so-called new Libyan Unity Govt. that we were propping up didn’t really exist. Libyan sovereignty must be held sacrosanct, even the false image of one, where in reality, Al Queda is top dog in Libya. Even when an Al Queda offshoot is your external “security,” namely, “The 17th of February Martyrs Brigade.” IOW, the White House thought they had a “deal” with AQ in Behghazi, since we were helping to run weaponry from Libya to their pals in Syria. So there was an “institutional bias” at State against crossing the border on a rescue operation sin permisso.)
...


This article indirectly makes a good point.

The question that is not being addressed in the media is whether the "recognized authority" in Libya refused to respond to the violence, or refused to grant the US permission to send in US military. If Libya is a sovereign nation, any action by our military without permission is an act of war, despite what the chest-beating militarists and war-mongers say.

There was no US Embassy in Benghazi. These were nothing but compounds, and they do not have the same legal protections that Embassies enjoy.

As a matter of fact, one of the most disturbing aspects of this story is the militarists who are now claiming that it (US Military intervention) is not an act of war, and the military is the solution in all circumstances. What will be the fallout? More pressure for military solutions? Are these the same people who will be claiming in a few years that armed drones firing in the US is perfectly acceptable?

Obama screwed up before this attack occurred by not providing proper security and limitations on the Ambassador (or knowingly putting him in danger), and his lame attempts at spin after the fact are pathetic. To use this as justification for indiscriminate military action in countries that we are not at war with is extremely dangerous, more to the rule of law and the Constitution than to the helpless countries that the war mongers want to violate with impunity.

[Brian4Liberty]

Ok, it has been established that the Obama Administration has been caught shipping weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it that much of a stretch to conclude that they have been discretely supplying arms to the 'Syrian Rebels' AKA Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?? And coincidentally the Administration's point man for all these "transactions", Ambassador Stevens is killed in these attacks, conveniently washing away a key potential leak.

Probably more that backroom deals were being made with shady characters, and some of those shady characters or their associates decided that assassinating the US ambassador was a good idea.

All a big failure for Obama and Hillary, which explains all of their pathetic cover-up and spin attempts.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

[idiom]

Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

A) Do yourself a favour and switch to 40 posts per page.

B) Apparently the U.S. was smuggling man portable anti-aircraft missiles to Al Qaeda in Syria through Libya and was trying to buy them back.

C) The CiC ordered a stand down of the automatic military response to rescue those involved. The AC-130 is part of the automatic response. As soon as an Ambassador is in trouble the military moves into gear, it requires a stop order, not a go order.

[Brian4Liberty]

Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

The personnel actually there were security, and iirc, ex-military.

Gunship would probably be at a field in a nearby NATO country. The title of the thread may be incorrect, not sure that there is confirmation of a gunship actually "on-scene".

[jmdrake]

Engaging by fire or otherwise violating a nation's border can only be authorized by one person. And that would be .....

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012



....

I think that’s the big secret they are keeping. The President went to bed, with his lost Ambassador being dragged through streets.


[/B]Obama went to bed.


I read that they were repeatedly denied assistance. The moral of the story is, you do NOT want to be an ambassador on Obama's watch. (Or a SEAL, or CIA, or anything else, for that matter.)

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/



ETA:

Report: Hillary Asked For More Security in Benghazi, Obama Said No
http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/10/26/report-hillary-asked-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2AWCoOdrP

Building up Hillary's "iron lady" creds?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kddX7LqgCvc

[HOLLYWOOD]

C) The CiC ordered a stand down of the automatic military response to rescue those involved. The AC-130 is part of the automatic response. As soon as an Ambassador is in trouble the military moves into gear, it requires a stop order, not a go order.Sing it children, 'Puff The Magic Dragon... Lived By The Sea..."

[Brian4Liberty]

Building up Hillary's "iron lady" creds?


Hillary 2016. You know it's coming.

[juleswin]

Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

Yea and why were they there at night time. Everyone knows US embassies close at 5pm and probably leave the building at 6pm. My guess all along is that they were handing out in a CIA safe house or something of that nature. Remember Stevens was a big player in organizing the rebels in Benghazi that ravaged that country

[Brian4Liberty]

Yea and why were they there at night time. Everyone knows US embassies close at 5pm and probably leave the building at 6pm. My guess all along is that they were handing out in a CIA safe house or something of that nature. Remember Stevens was a big player in organizing the rebels in Benghazi that ravaged that country

Yep, there was no US Embassy in Benghazi. Just a semi-safe house for him to spend the night in after doing some discreet business.