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FrankRep
10-24-2012, 12:39 AM
Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate -- More Socialist Than Barack Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU


Jill Stein supports:

- FDR-like "Green New Deal" to end unemployment
- Government-stimulated Green economy
- Stopping Global Warming/Climate Change
- Global Peace
- Health care as a Human right
- Government (taxpayers) to pay for student loans
- Free college for everyone


Yeah, scary.


Wait. What??

Green Party candidate accuses Obama of being a "climate denier" | October 22, 2012
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/22/green-party-candidate-accuses-obama-of-being-a-climate-denier/

Keith and stuff
10-24-2012, 12:54 AM
Absolutely. She is the Green Party candidate. I've never met a Green Party candidate who wasn't as bad as the average Democrat. I remember a Green Party candidate who was horrible on even economic issue. So I tried to find common ground. I asked him if he supported marijuana decriminalization. He said he was against it. I gave up on trying to communicate with him after that.

thoughtomator
10-24-2012, 01:21 AM
Obama is really more of a Fascist than a Communist.

FrankRep
10-24-2012, 06:04 AM
Obama is really more of a Fascist than a Communist.

Every Socialist I've known have been anti-Fascist. For some reason Socialists and Communist flock to Obama.



Obama '96 membership in socialist party uncovered (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party)
Despite denial by candidate, political group, scrubbed webpage found in Internet archive

News Busters
October 8, 2008

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Communist Party Endorses Obama For 2012 (http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/04/communist-party-endorses-obama-2012)

Fox Nation
August 04, 2011


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Hugo Chavez to Obama: I'd vote for you, and you for me (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/30/venezuela-election-obama-idUSL1E8KU37A20120930)


Reuters
Sept. 30, 2012


* Both men seeking re-election in imminent ballots

* Socialist Chavez has kind words for U.S. leader

* Political ties remain strained despite oil trade



CARACAS, Sept 30 (Reuters) - With both presidents facing tight re-election fights, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez gave a surprise endorsement to Barack Obama on Sunday - and said the U.S. leader no doubt felt the same.

"I hope this doesn't harm Obama, but if I was from the United States, I'd vote for Obama," the socialist Chavez said of a man he first reached out to in 2009 but to whom he has since generally been insulting.

Chavez is running for a new six-year term against opposition challenger Henrique Capriles, while Obama seeks re-election in November against Republican candidate Mitt Romney. Venezuela's election is next weekend.

"Obama is a good guy ... I think that if Obama was from Barlovento or some Caracas neighborhood, he'd vote for Chavez," the president told state TV, referring to a poor coastal town known for the African roots of its population.
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Supermodel Elle Macpherson Loves Obama: 'I’m Socialist - What Do You Expect?' (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/17/elle-macpherson-loves-obama-i-m-socialist-what-do-you-expect)


News Busters
March 17, 2012


Supermodel Elle Macpherson told shock jock Howard Stern Tuesday that she's pulling for Barack Obama to be reelected.

"I’m living in London and I’m socialist," she told her host. "What do you expect?"


Watch the video and see transcript:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/17/elle-macpherson-loves-obama-i-m-socialist-what-do-you-expect

Aratus
10-24-2012, 06:47 AM
yes... like ralph nader she pulls votes from the reigning Democrat of the hour
and she is more honest about things. y'all GOTO at least half of AF's postings...

ctiger2
10-24-2012, 09:23 AM
I watched most of the debate last night and it was clear Jill doesn't understand The Free Market at all AND she believes Govt IS the answer. You can cross her off the list. Rocky needs to be crossed off as well cause he's also clueless. Virgil was the best.

Cowlesy
10-24-2012, 10:11 AM
Heh, and it's a shame, as I am a conservationist, but there is no room for me in the Green Party.

At least Gary brought them back to earth when he said "Free has a Cost".

jmdrake
10-24-2012, 10:32 AM
I watched most of the debate last night and it was clear Jill doesn't understand The Free Market at all AND she believes Govt IS the answer. You can cross her off the list. Rocky needs to be crossed off as well cause he's also clueless. Virgil was the best.

Virgil's getting my vote.

Bastiat's The Law
10-24-2012, 10:33 AM
I watched most of the debate last night and it was clear Jill doesn't understand The Free Market at all AND she believes Govt IS the answer. You can cross her off the list. Rocky needs to be crossed off as well cause he's also clueless. Virgil was the best.
He's a pro drug war zealot. No dice.

jmdrake
10-24-2012, 10:33 AM
Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate -- More Socialist Than Barack Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlhyX-4qKI

jmdrake
10-24-2012, 10:36 AM
He's a pro drug war zealot. No dice.

Wrong.

War on Drugs has abused Bill of Rights .
Goode adopted the Republican Liberty Caucus Position Statement:

As adopted by the General Membership of the Republican Liberty Caucus at its Biannual Meeting held December 8, 2000.
WHEREAS libertarian Republicans believe in limited government, individual freedom and personal responsibility;
WHEREAS we believe that government has no money nor power not derived from the consent of the people;
WHEREAS we believe that people have the right to keep the fruits of their labor; and
WHEREAS we believe in upholding the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land;

BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Liberty Caucus endorses the following [among its] principles:
While recognizing the harm that drug abuse causes society, we also recognize that government drug policy has been ineffective and has led to frightening abuses of the Bill of Rights which could affect the personal freedom of any American. We, therefore, support alternatives to the War on Drugs.
Per the tenth amendment to the US Constitution, matters such as drugs should be handled at the state or personal level.
All laws which give license to violate the Bill of Rights should be repealed.

tttppp
10-24-2012, 10:51 AM
Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate -- More Socialist Than Barack Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdel5hldAU


Jill Stein supports:

- FDR-like "Green New Deal" to end unemployment
- Government-stimulated Green economy
- Stopping Global Warming/Climate Change
- Global Peace
- Health care as a Human right
- Government (taxpayers) to pay for student loans
- Free college for everyone


Yeah, scary.


Wait. What??

Green Party candidate accuses Obama of being a "climate denier" | October 22, 2012
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/22/green-party-candidate-accuses-obama-of-being-a-climate-denier/

That's what I have been telling you guys, and still some people are considering her. Read her website, she is about as anti free market as you can get. I do agree with her on foreign policy and ending Bank of America though.

DeMintConservative
10-24-2012, 11:26 AM
The differences between her and Obama seem pretty minor to me. But yeah, she manages to be even worse.


That's what I have been telling you guys, and still some people are considering her. Read her website, she is about as anti free market as you can get.

There are plenty of people here who have nothing but hostility for the free-market. You'll probably need to find a different argument.

tttppp
10-24-2012, 11:32 AM
The differences between her and Obama seem pretty minor to me. But yeah, she manages to be even worse.



There are plenty of people here who have nothing but hostility for the free-market. You'll probably need to find a different argument.

Those people should really find a different site. I can understand some Johnson supporters here as he at least talks about free market. But Stein is one of those people who care about the issues but have no understandin in how to fix them and really shouldn't be in politics until she gets an education.

supermario21
10-24-2012, 01:42 PM
It doesn't surprise me that there are many budding Greens on this forum. Remember RP drew in people from the occupy movement attracted to Ron's civil liberties positions. It's just that most of us come from an economic viewpoint of being true free marketers as to why we're here. I was always a Republican, I just shifted from a neocon to a libertarian Ron Paul Republican after examining things and doing some reading which Ron has guided us all to do. So yeah free college and socialism will appeal to many of the people on these forums.

dannno
10-24-2012, 01:46 PM
All of those things are better than the corporatist system we have setup today. If we diverted our overseas military spending and corporate subsidies into the programs that she is outlining, we would be much better off than we are now.

misean
10-24-2012, 02:09 PM
He's a pro drug war zealot. No dice.

He is also against online poker. He supported the UIGEA. Virgil Goode does not have libertarian values.

tttppp
10-24-2012, 02:15 PM
All of those things are better than the corporatist system we have setup today. If we diverted our overseas military spending and corporate subsidies into the programs that she is outlining, we would be much better off than we are now.

I disagree. Her economic policies will ruin any benefits from her foreign policy. Adding more bs regulations is just going to make it more difficult for people to get jobs a prosper. Same goes with raising the minimum wage which I believe she wants to do. She clearly does not understand that that would make it more difficult for people to find jobs and will just end up with more unemployment benefits and food stamps, etc.

FrankRep
10-24-2012, 02:49 PM
All of those things are better than the corporatist system we have setup today. If we diverted our overseas military spending and corporate subsidies into the programs that she is outlining, we would be much better off than we are now.

Socialism sucks dude, seriously.

fr33
10-24-2012, 03:14 PM
He is also against online poker. He supported the UIGEA. Virgil Goode does not have libertarian values.He also wants a moratorium on immigration. He's just an old crank. The constitution party doesn't seem to have read the constitution, the bill of rights, or the declaration of independence with a platform like this.

heavenlyboy34
10-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Socialism sucks dude, seriously.
Yep. But as mentioned earlier, BO is more of a fascist than socialist.

dannno
10-24-2012, 06:37 PM
I disagree. Her economic policies will ruin any benefits from her foreign policy. Adding more bs regulations is just going to make it more difficult for people to get jobs a prosper. Same goes with raising the minimum wage which I believe she wants to do. She clearly does not understand that that would make it more difficult for people to find jobs and will just end up with more unemployment benefits and food stamps, etc.

The way I see it is that military spending is a double-drain if not a triple/quadruple+ drain on our economy. You have intelligent people building weapons systems that end up being destroyed and have absolutely zero value for society. Not to mention they may be murdering innocent people overseas in the process. Those people would be much better off in the goods producing sector, and the money would be better spent by the individuals who paid taxes on it. Then you have all of the military overseas who get paid and spend much of that money overseas instead of in our own economy. Whereas when you give out welfare, the person collecting it is at least spending it here and they are more than likely going to be less productive than an engineer or a soldier would be here at home.

Then as far as building green technology, once again, they might not be making the best economic decisions but it would be better to spend $10 billion on green technology than on a weapon that is going to just be blown up. That will at least reduce the cost of energy for everybody, even if it is at a net loss, as compared to building and deploying weapons increases the cost of energy.

dannno
10-24-2012, 06:38 PM
Socialism sucks dude, seriously.

Of course it does, but everything else equal it is a far superior option to spend money on social programs than to spend it on military adventurism.

Drex
10-24-2012, 06:40 PM
Free college? I could live with that ;P

James Madison
10-24-2012, 06:44 PM
Of course it does, but everything else equal it is a far superior option to spend money on social programs than to spend it on military adventurism.

The problem with socialism is that it's completely antagonistic to human nature and natural selection. Socialism lasts about as long as democracy, probably because it's more or less the same thing.

angelatc
10-24-2012, 06:47 PM
Socialism sucks dude, seriously.

Yes, it does, and it isn't sustainable. No argument there. But honestly, the fallout from the Educational Industrial Complex is likely to be more palatable than the aftermath of the Military version.

deadfish
10-24-2012, 06:47 PM
Probably better than Obama. She wouldn't get my vote, but I try to sway Obama supporters by convincing them that Jill Stein actually represents their goals and Obama only serves to enrich entrenched interests. Work in a few examples from MIC, Wall St, Health Insurance Cos., etc. and you might just actually get someone to engage their brain.

Because really... a vote for Stein = a vote for Johnson or RP write-in, in the sense that it is a rejection of the status quo. At this point, that's all that matters.

dannno
10-24-2012, 06:48 PM
The problem with socialism is that it's completely antagonistic to human nature and natural selection. Socialism lasts about as long as democracy, probably because it's more or less the same thing.

Sure, socialism is bad. If I had a choice between having a couple fingers chopped off and my whole hand, I'm going to take the fingers.

tttppp
10-24-2012, 07:06 PM
Free college? I could live with that ;P

There's no such thing as free. Plus the time and quality would be a lot worse than the free market. She's going in the exaxct wrong direction with education.

FrankRep
10-24-2012, 07:08 PM
Yep. But as mentioned earlier, BO is more of a fascist than socialist.

Did you miss this?

Obama '96 membership in socialist party uncovered (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party)
Despite denial by candidate, political group, scrubbed webpage found in Internet archive

News Busters
October 8, 2008

fr33
10-24-2012, 07:38 PM
Sure give us all "free education". We can bring the whole system down by getting phd's. Let's help even more people become completely unproductive. Bye bye economy. We didn't need you anyways. :rolleyes:

Jill Stein is what most Obama supporters think he is.

PierzStyx
10-24-2012, 08:17 PM
Every Socialist I've known have been anti-Fascist. For some reason Socialists and Communist flock to Obama.

Most of the Socialists I know are actually Fascists and just don't understand it. Not that there is actually the much of a difference between socialism and fascism.

Athena
10-24-2012, 08:33 PM
Most of the Socialists I know are actually Fascists and just don't understand it. Not that there is actually the much of a difference between socialism and fascism.

I'm a Norway-style "socialist". I'm not really sure the word socialism has a solid meaning any more, but I really don't think Norway is a fascist state outside of NATO membership.

ETA:
Now, RoBomney? THAT's modern fascism. Drones and kill lists and gulags, oh my!

FrankRep
10-24-2012, 09:29 PM
I'm a Norway-style "socialist".

Why are you on Ron Paul Forums if you're a Socialist?

Athena
10-24-2012, 09:33 PM
Why are you on Ron Paul Forums if you're a Socialist?

Because I like RP, and consider his libertarianism WAY better than rOBomney. I have much more in common with libertarians than I do with Obamabots.

FrankRep
10-24-2012, 09:42 PM
Because I like RP, and consider his libertarianism WAY better than rOBomney. I have much more in common with libertarians than I do with Obamabots.
Ron Paul is in the opposite direction of Socialism, however.

BamaAla
10-24-2012, 09:48 PM
What the hell is a "Norway-style socialist?"

Athena
10-24-2012, 09:51 PM
What the hell is a "Norway-style socialist?"

I like the way Norway runs their society. Some call all that stuff "socialism". (scare quotes because I'm not sure the word "socialist" has anything close to a solid meaning any more.)

Athena
10-24-2012, 09:52 PM
Ron Paul is in the opposite direction of Socialism, however.

Depends on one's definition of "socialism".

BamaAla
10-24-2012, 10:00 PM
I like the way Norway runs their society. Some call all that stuff "socialism". (scare quotes because I'm not sure the word "socialist" has anything close to a solid meaning any more.)

I don't know anything about Norway, but I studied abroad in Sweden (studied the welfare state actually.) Do you know how similar they are? Most of Scandinavia are similar, but I don't know to what extent in this arena.

Athena
10-24-2012, 10:20 PM
I don't know anything about Norway, but I studied abroad in Sweden (studied the welfare state actually.) Do you know how similar they are? Most of Scandinavia are similar, but I don't know to what extent in this arena.

Sweden sucks compared to Norway. Norwegians have many more freedoms than Americans. Norway also has a stronger and saner safety net. And lower taxes. Norway is by far my favorite country.

heavenlyboy34
10-24-2012, 10:56 PM
Did you miss this?

Obama '96 membership in socialist party uncovered (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party)
Despite denial by candidate, political group, scrubbed webpage found in Internet archive

News Busters
October 8, 2008
Site off-lineThe site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.

Your webbernet-fu is broken. :( But, regardless of his party affiliation, his regime's policies are more accurately called fascist than socialist.

thoughtomator
10-25-2012, 12:20 AM
Every Socialist I've known have been anti-Fascist. For some reason Socialists and Communist flock to Obama.

They can claim to be anti-Fascist all they like but the record is clear that they have no problem whatsoever with Fascism enacted by a Democrat.

FrankRep
10-25-2012, 11:54 AM
Site off-lineThe site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.

Your webbernet-fu is broken. :( But, regardless of his party affiliation, his regime's policies are more accurately called fascist than socialist.

Working right now. Still having problems?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party

FrankRep
11-01-2012, 06:38 AM
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