[False Report] Woman set on fire. KKK painted on hood of her car

[BlackTerrel]

Every now and then something like this happens and I forget for a moment that it's 2012. I pray to God they catch the bastards that did this very soon.

I heard about this on Facebook before I saw it reported anywhere. Last I heard Sharmeka is still in the hospital clinging for her life.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/sharmeka-moffitt-louisiana-woman-set-on-fire-kkk-race-related-attack-_n_2005232.html


A Louisiana woman was the victim of a horrific attack during which she was reportedly set on fire and had her car defiled with the letters "KKK," police reported Monday.

Sharmeka Moffitt, a 20-year-old African-American woman, made an emergency call to police on Sunday night claiming three men wearing white hoods or hats attacked her, doused her with flammable liquid and set her on fire at a park in Winnsboro, La., CBS News reports. Moffitt, who said she was unable to identify the race of her attackers, was able to extinguish the fire with a water spigot before police arrived.

Officers found the letters "KKK," an apparent reference to the Ku Klux Klan, written on the hood of her car, according to CBS News. "KKK" was smeared on her hood in a paste-like substance.

Franklin Parish Sheriff Kevin Cobb confirmed that "KKK" was written on the hood of Moffitt's car with a racial slur underneath, WMBF News reports.

Moffitt is currently in critical condition at LSU Medical Center in Shreveport, according to the station. "Both of her arms, and they are third degree burns, down her chest and legs - one. Basically her arms are real bad," her mother, Edna, told the media. Edna also denied initial reports that claimed her daughter was wearing an Obama T-shirt at the time of the attack.

Police currently have no suspects or motives in the attack, which occurred while Moffitt was walking on a paved trail in Civitan Park on Sunday at about 8 p.m., according to The News Star. Authorities do not know if the attack was planned or random but called the racial connotations "unsettling."

“My hope is we’ll all stand together while we determine the facts,” Cobb told The News Star. “I’m asking the community to trust us to do the right thing."

The attack on Moffitt caught the nation's attention after a Facebook page, entitled, "Prayers for Sharmeka Moffitt," was created. The page currently has more than 30,000 likes.

Yes because their past behavior makes it so easy to trust them :rolleyes:

[dannno]

It coulda been the Klan who put that bomb at the Olympics

But it probably was the FBI, deep at the call

'Cause if they make us all panic then they can start martial law

-Dead Prez

http://www.thetalkingdrum.com/dp3.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMnLHmTXjgU

[Acala]

I smell something fishy.

[coastie]

I smell something fishy.

Ewwwww....head to the gynecologist, pronto! j/k

Yeah, it's sad we live in a country where our first instinct is now "false flag", even sadder that history says its probably true.

I hope this woman recovers, this is horrible no matter what the motives.

[coastie]

-Dead Prez

http://www.thetalkingdrum.com/dp3.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMnLHmTXjgU

Great stuff, I love those guys!

[LibertyEagle]

This case is of course much more severe and absolutely horrible, but it is the same type of thing that went on after Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin. There was story after story of blacks beating the hell out of whites and the threats flying around were unbelievable. It was like whites had been declared enemy number 1 and the media was pushing it every chance they got.

The feds would like nothing better than to foment a stupid race war to keep attention off of what they are doing, and some are falling for it. :(

[jay_dub]

My first reaction is that this isn't the work of the KKK, but of some yahoos with no association to it.

The Klan has been successfully sued in the past. It would be beyond dumb to sign their work if they had done this.

I hope the lady has a full recovery.

[KingNothing]

I smell something fishy.

As do I. I'll reserve judgement for now.

[Anti Federalist]

The feds would like nothing better than to foment a stupid race war to keep attention off of what they are doing, and some are falling for it. :(

That was my first thought as well.

Anything "KKK" related has got the feds fingerprints all over it.

But BT will tell you there's no such thing as a coming race war.

[LibertyEagle]

That was my first thought as well.

Anything "KKK" related has got the feds fingerprints all over it.

But BT will tell you there's no such thing as a coming race war.

Hope not. That would truly suck.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is a terrible crime, no doubt about that.


I smell something fishy.


Yeah, it's sad we live in a country where our first instinct is now "false flag", even sadder that history says its probably true.

I hope this woman recovers, this is horrible no matter what the motives.

Per the story, she was attacked on a walking trail, yet her car was also vandalized. How does that happen? Did the attackers know her or somehow target her in advance?

[Brian4Liberty]

My first reaction is that this isn't the work of the KKK, but of some yahoos with no association to it.


Yeah, very little chance it was actually KKK people. Could have been racists who just wrote that though.

Minus a public confession, we will never know.

[KingNothing]

Yeah, very little chance it was actually KKK people. Could have been racists who just wrote that though.

Minus a public confession, we will never know.


I think this is as reasonable a guess as any other at this point.

What a shame. Hatred and violence are always awful, regardless of the motivation.

[2young2vote]

This is a terrible crime, no doubt about that.





Per the story, she was attacked on a walking trail, yet her car was also vandalized. How does that happen? Did the attackers know her or somehow target her in advance?

The story isn't specific about that. For all we know she could have been just getting in or out of her car. She may have started running towards her car when they caught her.

Either way, whoever did it are bad people

[Tod]

Democrat get-out-the-vote effort?

[juleswin]

Not making any claims here but lets not all forget false assault allegations like

A Nebraska woman was arrested for faking an anti-gay hate crime in which she claimed three masked men bound her, cut words into her skin and spray-painted slurs on her wall before setting her house on fire.

Charlie Rogers, 33, had told police that the three assailants broke into her Lincoln, Neb., home on July 22.

Rogers, a lesbian and a former University of Nebraska women's basketball star, became a face for anti-gay hate crimes after the alleged attack.

Reports of the alleged assault outraged the gay community, and hundreds of people participated in rallies outside the Nebraska capitol building, and at a park in Omaha.

But now police have charged Rogers with false reporting, disclosing evidence that contradicts her story and points to a faked attack.

Police found white gloves, a box cutter and zip ties in Rogers' home. She had originally told investigators that the gloves were the only item left behind by her attackers, and that they did not belong to her.

But Lincoln police learned that Rogers had visited Ace Hardware in LIncoln on July 17 and purchased the same three items. When confronted about the supplies, Rogers admitted to buying all of them except the gloves, which she said were not hers, according to police.

But DNA evidence suggested otherwise.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nebraska-woman-charlie-rogers-faked-anti-gay-hate/story?id=17057847#.UIbmi3hnV5Z



Lets wait till the investigation is complete before jumping to any conclusions

[Working Poor]

I am so sorry for the person in the OP. I hope she is able to make a good recovery.

[torchbearer]

http://www.franklinsun.com/upload/photos/IMG_0042.JPG
http://www.franklinsun.com/news.php?id=5412

Two days after multiple law enforcement agencies began an investigation into the
attack and burning of a Winnsboro woman at Civitan Park, authorities now believe
the wounds were self-inflicted.

According to Winnsboro Police Chief
Lester Thomas, evidenced gathered at the scene of the incident shows 20-year-old
Sharmeka Moffitt's initial claims that she was attacked and set on fire turned
out to be false claims made up by Moffitt.

"This is a case in which the
investigators had to pursue the facts that were presented," Thomas said. "It's
been a very disturbing case for everyone involved."

On Sunday, officers
responded to a 911 call around 8 p.m. near the walking trail at Civitan Park to
find Moffitt with burns covering her body. It was less than a minute from the
time the call from Moffitt came into the 911 center that officers from the
Winnsboro Police Department and the Franklin Parish Sheriff's Office were on the
scene at the park located on Hwy. 15.

Moffitt could not identify the race
of her attackers, but said three men wearing "T-shirt hoodies" doused her in a
flammable liquid and set her on fire at the park. The responding officers found
no suspects or vehicles at the park where the attack allegedly
occurred.

Moffitt was taken to Franklin Medical Center in Winnsboro and
then transported to LSU Medical Center in Shreveport, where it was determined
she had burns on over 60 percent of her body.

State Police arrived by
helicopter with its crime lab team to gather evidence shortly after Moffitt was
taken for medical assistance. Law enforcement officials gathered evidence from
the scene all night, finishing its scaling of the crime scene by Monday
morning.

After analyzing the evidence at the State Police Crime Lab, it
was discovered Moffitt's fingerprints were on the cigarette lighter and the
lighter fluid recovered near the wooded area around the crime
scene.

"There is more physical evidence along those lines that back this
up," Thomas said.

At a news conference held at LSU Medical Center on
Monday evening, Moffitt's mother, Edna Moffitt said her daughter was in critical
condition with third-degree burns on her arms and other areas and would undergo
surgery Tuesday.

False rumors regarding the incident were spread on
various social media outlets Sunday night just hours after the incident took
place. On many of the Twitter and Facebook posts, users speculated the attack
was a hate crime and Moffitt was attacked for wearing a President Obama t-shirt
when she was "raped and burned alive".

Moffitt's mother and Thomas
confirmed Monday that the Obama T-shirt rumor was false and there was no
evidence of sexual assault.

A racial slur and the letters, KKK, that were
written in toothpaste on Moffitt's vehicle were linked to female DNA,
authorities said.

"All of the evidence is pointing back to the victim
inflicting this upon herself," Thomas said. "No evidence has shown any other
person was involved."

"This case is solved," Thomas added.

Thomas
said that no matter the outcome of these types of tragic events, it's always a
heavy burden on law enforcement and the victim's family.

"My heart truly
goes out to the Moffitt family, who are more than just members of our community,
they are my friends," Thomas said. "I hope we can come together as a community
and pray for their wellbeing and a quick recovery of
Sharmeka."

Candlelight vigils for Moffitt were held Monday night around
Winnsboro before the facts of the case were revealed.

Franklin Parish
Sheriff Kevin Cobb said the unity shown by the community on the heels of the
incident was inspiring.

"I want to thank the community, who under these
stressful times they allowed law enforcement to do their job to seek
information, collect evidence and follow the facts," Cobb said. "Although I
think what she did was wrong and had major consequences not only for her, but
throughout our community and our country. There's something wrong here, and we
need to help individuals like this. In the same way our community came to
support her as a victim, I still hope the community will support her emotional
and physical recovery."

While Thomas and Cobb said no charges have been
filed against Moffitt at this time, the case evidence will be turned over to the
5th Judicial District Attorney's Office for review.

Thomas and Cobb said
the collaborative efforts by their departments with the State Police and FBI
helped in solving the case in a timely manner.

[juleswin]

sad to say but I smelled a rat the second I saw this story. KKK written on the car was on red flag? the KKK has such a bad public image that it does them no good whatsoever to leave a calling card like that. This is the same thing with claims of wanton killings of "peaceful" protesters and destruction by middle east dictators when the world especially America is watching

Lets hope this woman receives the help she needs because something ain't right upstairs

[Danke]

http://www.franklinsun.com/upload/photos/IMG_0042.JPG
http://www.franklinsun.com/news.php?id=5412

Two days after multiple law enforcement agencies began an investigation into the
attack and burning of a Winnsboro woman at Civitan Park, authorities now believe
the wounds were self-inflicted.

According to Winnsboro Police Chief
Lester Thomas, evidenced gathered at the scene of the incident shows 20-year-old
Sharmeka Moffitt's initial claims that she was attacked and set on fire turned
out to be false claims made up by Moffitt.

"This is a case in which the
investigators had to pursue the facts that were presented," Thomas said. "It's
been a very disturbing case for everyone involved."

On Sunday, officers
responded to a 911 call around 8 p.m. near the walking trail at Civitan Park to
find Moffitt with burns covering her body. It was less than a minute from the
time the call from Moffitt came into the 911 center that officers from the
Winnsboro Police Department and the Franklin Parish Sheriff's Office were on the
scene at the park located on Hwy. 15.

Moffitt could not identify the race
of her attackers, but said three men wearing "T-shirt hoodies" doused her in a
flammable liquid and set her on fire at the park. The responding officers found
no suspects or vehicles at the park where the attack allegedly
occurred.

Moffitt was taken to Franklin Medical Center in Winnsboro and
then transported to LSU Medical Center in Shreveport, where it was determined
she had burns on over 60 percent of her body.

State Police arrived by
helicopter with its crime lab team to gather evidence shortly after Moffitt was
taken for medical assistance. Law enforcement officials gathered evidence from
the scene all night, finishing its scaling of the crime scene by Monday
morning.

After analyzing the evidence at the State Police Crime Lab, it
was discovered Moffitt's fingerprints were on the cigarette lighter and the
lighter fluid recovered near the wooded area around the crime
scene.

"There is more physical evidence along those lines that back this
up," Thomas said.

At a news conference held at LSU Medical Center on
Monday evening, Moffitt's mother, Edna Moffitt said her daughter was in critical
condition with third-degree burns on her arms and other areas and would undergo
surgery Tuesday.

False rumors regarding the incident were spread on
various social media outlets Sunday night just hours after the incident took
place. On many of the Twitter and Facebook posts, users speculated the attack
was a hate crime and Moffitt was attacked for wearing a President Obama t-shirt
when she was "raped and burned alive".

Moffitt's mother and Thomas
confirmed Monday that the Obama T-shirt rumor was false and there was no
evidence of sexual assault.

A racial slur and the letters, KKK, that were
written in toothpaste on Moffitt's vehicle were linked to female DNA,
authorities said.

"All of the evidence is pointing back to the victim
inflicting this upon herself," Thomas said. "No evidence has shown any other
person was involved."

"This case is solved," Thomas added.

Thomas
said that no matter the outcome of these types of tragic events, it's always a
heavy burden on law enforcement and the victim's family.

"My heart truly
goes out to the Moffitt family, who are more than just members of our community,
they are my friends," Thomas said. "I hope we can come together as a community
and pray for their wellbeing and a quick recovery of
Sharmeka."

Candlelight vigils for Moffitt were held Monday night around
Winnsboro before the facts of the case were revealed.

Franklin Parish
Sheriff Kevin Cobb said the unity shown by the community on the heels of the
incident was inspiring.

"I want to thank the community, who under these
stressful times they allowed law enforcement to do their job to seek
information, collect evidence and follow the facts," Cobb said. "Although I
think what she did was wrong and had major consequences not only for her, but
throughout our community and our country. There's something wrong here, and we
need to help individuals like this. In the same way our community came to
support her as a victim, I still hope the community will support her emotional
and physical recovery."

While Thomas and Cobb said no charges have been
filed against Moffitt at this time, the case evidence will be turned over to the
5th Judicial District Attorney's Office for review.

Thomas and Cobb said
the collaborative efforts by their departments with the State Police and FBI
helped in solving the case in a timely manner.

That can't be true, the police are in on it protecting their racist friends.

[torchbearer]

sad to say but I smelled a rat the second I saw this story. KKK written on the car was on red flag? the KKK has such a bad public image that it does them no good whatsoever to leave a calling card like that. This is the same thing with claims of wanton killings of "peaceful" protesters and destruction by middle east dictators when the world especially America is watching

Lets hope this woman receives the help she needs because something ain't right upstairs

I know some racist people, but none of them would burn somebody.
I don't even know if the kkk exist beyond one trailer park in deville.

[Origanalist]

I know some racist people, but none of them would burn somebody.
I don't even know if the kkk exist beyond one trailer park in deville.

Is there a actual KKK anymore?

[BlackTerrel]

Democrat get-out-the-vote effort?

Really?

[BlackTerrel]

Not making any claims here but lets not all forget false assault allegations like

A Nebraska woman was arrested for faking an anti-gay hate crime in which she claimed three masked men bound her, cut words into her skin and spray-painted slurs on her wall before setting her house on fire.

There is fake everything. But being skeptical most of the time is just being paranoid and wanting to deny something before you know anything.

Very rarely do people light themselves on fire.

[BlackTerrel]

Since when does RPF have full and 100% faith in what the PD says?


sad to say but I smelled a rat the second I saw this story. KKK written on the car was on red flag? the KKK has such a bad public image that it does them no good whatsoever to leave a calling card like that. This is the same thing with claims of wanton killings of "peaceful" protesters and destruction by middle east dictators when the world especially America is watching

You're not dealing with brain surgeons. Sometimes these people just push their agenda - and they don't care who is watching.

[thoughtomator]

Democrat get-out-the-vote effort?

my first reaction as well

[juleswin]

There is fake everything. But being skeptical most of the time is just being paranoid and wanting to deny something before you know anything.

Very rarely do people light themselves on fire.

Its more like being cautious and waiting for the full investigation before taking sides unlike some people in the above comments. Yes people rarely light themselves on fire but its also rare that a racist group which has been beaten to the point of extinction by the law enforcement officers will leave such blatant evidence pointing to them after a crime like this. It just doesn't make any sense, it reminds me of how terrorist would always set off a bomb every time the US armed forces start having talks to leave X occupied country. You sit there and ask yourself, why not just wait till they leave to start attacking.

I try to put myself in the shoes of the attacker and ask myself is this how I would have done it?

[thoughtomator]

Latest report is that she did in fact set herself on fire.

http://now.msn.com/sharmeka-moffitt-lousiana-woman-may-have-faked-hate-crime

[Origanalist]

Sharmeka Moffitt made up a story about being attacked and set on fire, according to a spokesman for Louisiana's Franklin Parish sheriff's office. Spokesman Kevin Cobb told reporters this afternoon that it looks like the 20-year-old woman set herself ablaze on Sunday night. She remains in critical condition at a hospital in Shreveport, La. Police say evidence they've uncovered indicates Moffitt wrote "KKK" and a racial slur on her car. She had said she was attacked by three men wearing white hoodies. Police understandably say Moffitt and her family still deserve prayers. [Source]

I dont believe anybody at this point, waiting for it all to clarify. Could be a long wait.

[thoughtomator]

The tip-off is that the "hate crime" symbols are way over the top, as if they were specifically crafted to gain attention.

[AGRP]

Sharmeka Moffitt, a 20-year-old African-American woman, made an emergency call to police on Sunday night claiming three men wearing white hoods or hats attacked her, doused her with flammable liquid and set her on fire at a park in Winnsboro, La., CBS News reports. Moffitt, who said she was unable to identify the race of her attackers, was able to extinguish the fire with a water spigot before police arrived.


Started smelling fishy when I read this. Really?

[fr33]

She's crazy if that's true. Who in the world would set themselves on fire (not including Buddhist monks of course)

[thoughtomator]

an insanely fervent Obama supporter manufacturing her own "October Surprise"?

[Griffith]

Sounds staged.

[FindLiberty]

WTF?

It's a plea to add some Lithium (along with more Floride) to the town's water supply.

[tod evans]

Louisiana woman faked hate crime, police say.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/us/louisiana-fake-hate-crime/index.html?hpt=ju_c2

(CNN) -- A Louisiana woman who said she had been set afire by white supremacists inflicted her injuries herself, police said Tuesday.
Sharmeka Moffitt was found in a city park in Winnsboro, in rural northeastern Louisiana, on Sunday night with burns over 90% of her body. The 20-year-old told police she had been attacked and set ablaze by three men who wrote "KKK" on her car, but Winnsboro Police Chief Lester Thomas said Tuesday afternoon that evidence found on a cigarette lighter and a bottle of charcoal lighter fluid showed "this was not an attack, but a self-inflicted incident."
Investigators released little else at a Tuesday afternoon news conference.
"This has been a very disturbing case for everyone involved," Franklin Parish Sheriff Kevin Cobb said.
Moffitt was in critical but stable condition at a Shreveport hospital Tuesday night, Franklin Parish Sheriff's Deputy Bettye McCoy said.

[Libertarian_Renaissance]

Every now and then something like this happens and I forget for a moment that it's 2012. I pray to God they catch the bastards that did this very soon.

I heard about this on Facebook before I saw it reported anywhere. Last I heard Sharmeka is still in the hospital clinging for her life.



Lol you got fooled

[Travlyr]

So Huffington Post and other "news" teams just went with the racial hate crime "story" even though it wasn't true ... for what? Perpetuate racial hatred? Keep the people divided?

This type of junior high school journalism does a lot of damage by perpetuating racial hatred.

The Huffington Post has certainly destroyed their credibility this time.

[tod evans]

Headlines = revenue...

[kathy88]

Is there a actual KKK anymore?

There are certainly white supremacist compounds. I live near state forest in PA, and not in my county, but the next over there's a huge group of them. Those people are terrifying.

[tod evans]

There are certainly white supremacist compounds. I live near state forest in PA, and not in my county, but the next over there's a huge group of them. Those people are terrifying.

Is there any difference between white/black/latino/chinese/russian/japanese supremacists?

[Travlyr]

There are certainly white supremacist compounds. I live near state forest in PA, and not in my county, but the next over there's a huge group of them. Those people are terrifying.

It is probably a CIA compound.

[jmdrake]

I know some racist people, but none of them would burn somebody.
I don't even know if the kkk exist beyond one trailer park in deville.

Well enough racists in recent memory have committed crimes as bad as burning people so it's not impossible. Homeless people often get set on fire (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=active&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=homeless+set+on+fire&oq=homeless+set+on+fire&gs_l=hp.3..0i30j0i8j0i8i30j0i8.577.3772.0.4101.20. 17.0.2.2.0.349.3298.0j13j2j2.17.0.les%3B..0.0...1c .1.XjPwLVwyG_k&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=3709cc8b571c5c16&bpcl=35466521&biw=1360&bih=528). Sometimes the people doing it aren't racist, just hateful. But the law of averages says that at some point there in an intersection between people who are racist and people who are hateful enough to set someone on fire. But yeah, this story seems to be fake. And it's not because I trust the police. I remember Tawana Brawley.

[MikeStanart]

Reminds me of our very own Ashley Todd.: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/mccain-supporter-who-clai_n_137484.html

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/45227/thumbs/s-BGIRL-large.jpg

[torchbearer]

Is there a actual KKK anymore?


haven't a clue. never hear of it. i'm sure there are some losers in a trailer park somewhere who decided they were going to have a club called KKK. but as far as an organization that has any footprint- i don't think so.

[torchbearer]

Well enough racists in recent memory have committed crimes as bad as burning people so it's not impossible. Homeless people often get set on fire (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=active&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=homeless+set+on+fire&oq=homeless+set+on+fire&gs_l=hp.3..0i30j0i8j0i8i30j0i8.577.3772.0.4101.20. 17.0.2.2.0.349.3298.0j13j2j2.17.0.les%3B..0.0...1c .1.XjPwLVwyG_k&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=3709cc8b571c5c16&bpcl=35466521&biw=1360&bih=528). Sometimes the people doing it aren't racist, just hateful. But the law of averages says that at some point there in an intersection between people who are racist and people who are hateful enough to set someone on fire. But yeah, this story seems to be fake. And it's not because I trust the police. I remember Tawana Brawley.

right, and had been a "local" investigation, i'd have in the back of my mind a possible cover.
but you had the local boys, the sheriff's deputies, and state troopers involved.
hate crimes are taken very seriously, and the troopers are a whole class better than your local pigs.

[jmdrake]

haven't a clue. never hear of it. i'm sure there are some losers in a trailer park somewhere who decided they were going to have a club called KKK. but as far as an organization that has any footprint- i don't think so.

They're still around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DN-L39SrI

Do they exist in the same form as they did in 1920s Birmingham Alabama where the sheriff was openly a member and meetings were announce on the front page of the Birmingham news? No. But they're still around.

And for a good LOL, black man befriends klansmen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Q9NSzQj5M

Edit: And the person who put up the YouTube mis-titled it. The black man didn't join the klan. He made friends with klansmen who eventually decided to leave the klan based on their friendship with him.

[torchbearer]

The whole clan thing looks retarded, even before you start looking at what they are talking about.

[Brian4Liberty]

Another crazy person. Nothing to see here.

[FrankRep]

Breaking:

Police: Louisiana woman set herself on fire, wrote racial slurs
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14667134-police-louisiana-woman-set-herself-on-fire-wrote-racial-slurs?lite

[Meatwasp]

Breaking:

Police: Louisiana woman set herself on fire, wrote racial slurs
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14667134-police-louisiana-woman-set-herself-on-fire-wrote-racial-slurs?lite
Some of us thought it sounded fishy and it was. She did it to herself. Drudge Report

[thoughtomator]

I guess it's not paranoia if they really are out to deceive you, eh?

[Acala]

She's crazy if that's true. Who in the world would set themselves on fire (not including Buddhist monks of course)

Sometimes people underestimate the damage they self-inflict. It reminds me of this story:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2001/04/13/181634-teacher-who-shot-self-gets-one-year-in-prison/

[Libertarian_Renaissance]

Black man friends of the Klan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Q9NSzQj5M

[Anti Federalist]

Is there a actual KKK anymore?

Yeah, you can find it the FBI headquarters in DC.

[Anti Federalist]

Reminds me of our very own Ashley Todd.: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/mccain-supporter-who-clai_n_137484.html

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/45227/thumbs/s-BGIRL-large.jpg

+rep.

I was banging my head trying to remember that girl's name.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Black man friends of the Klan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Q9NSzQj5M



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf17W212Ps0

Those are outtakes... I couldn't find a good video of the original, but it's hilarious.

[devil21]

"B Girl" redux.

[nobody's_hero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf17W212Ps0

Those are outtakes... I couldn't find a good video of the original, but it's hilarious.

LOL, I've never seen the outtakes. Chappelle is awesome.

[BlackTerrel]

Lol you got fooled

I guess so. I will admit it. Hard to imagine someone being sick enough to light themselves on fire for attention. But I guess it happens. Sad really.


So Huffington Post and other "news" teams just went with the racial hate crime "story" even though it wasn't true ... for what? Perpetuate racial hatred? Keep the people divided?

This type of junior high school journalism does a lot of damage by perpetuating racial hatred.

The Huffington Post has certainly destroyed their credibility this time.

This story was big in social media before HuffPost even picked it up. I don't think media should just ignore certain stories.

[BlackTerrel]

I guess it's not paranoia if they really are out to deceive you, eh?

Who is "they"? It is one sick woman and it got cleared up quick.

Sad all around.

[FrankRep]

Who is "they"? It is one sick woman and it got cleared up quick.

Sad all around.

There's been a ton of false reports lately.

[BamaAla]

Go to Google and type in "woman sets self on fire." Apparently this isn't as uncommon as one might think. I didn't see any others that involved the race elements, but more than one or two women have set themselves ablaze in the past few years.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

LOL, I've never seen the outtakes. Chappelle is awesome.


Yeah... not only funny as hell, but a very perceptive and intelligent individual, I believe. Also interesting he hangs around with people like Mos Def and Taleb Kweli who are well aware of the prison business, corruption, etc. Taleb Kweli is a member of the "Nation of Gods and Earths" whose


"Members of the organization call themselves Five Percenters, which reflects their belief that ten percent of the people of the world know the truth of existence, and those elites opt to keep 85 percent of the world in ignorance and under their controlling thumb. The remaining percentage are those who know the truth and are determined to enlighten the rest. They are the Five Percent Nation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_of_Gods_and_Earths


I'm also guessing Tupac was influenced by their teachings, either early, or while in prison. I've seen it pop out in some of his interviews.

[devil21]

Yeah... not only funny as hell, but a very perceptive and intelligent individual, I believe. Also interesting he hangs around with people like Mos Def and Taleb Kweli who are well aware of the prison business, corruption, etc. Taleb Kweli is a member of the "Nation of Gods and Earths" whose



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_of_Gods_and_Earths


I'm also guessing Tupac was influenced by their teachings, either early, or while in prison. I've seen it pop out in some of his interviews.

Chappelle is an admitted conspiracy theorist. His interview with Oprah (can be found on YT) was very interesting. Not long after that interview his career basically ended.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Chappelle is an admitted conspiracy theorist. His interview with Oprah (can be found on YT) was very interesting. Not long after that interview his career basically ended.

I was pretty sure I'd seen him say some things in interviews that made me think "woah, he's pretty close to the line there" regarding what he would be allowed to say on TV. I couldn't think of anything off hand, though. I do see the 5 Percenter theme here quite a bit in different forms.

[BlackTerrel]

I'll state for the record that I do believe this is a hoax.

But I do find it interesting which conspiracies people choose to believe and which they choose to ignore.

This is a crowd that generally does not trust police or media but everyone is taking them at their word on this case. Why?

Meanwhile my conspiratorial friends back home and all over facebook I am arguing with people who believe the police are covering up for their buddies in the KKK.

http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/columnists/article_90810e52-2160-11e2-a2d5-001a4bcf6878.html




I’d hate to become one of those Al Sharpton types, the type who believes he is a freedom fighter for the black cause and who wrangles about the most trivial of altercations among African Americans and other groups.

But sometimes, it seems like I might be heading down this path.

On Oct 21, Louisiana native Sharmeka Moffit, 20, called police claiming she had been set ablaze by three men wearing hooded attire at a park in Winnsborro, La. She said the men also sprayed her car with the letters “KKK” and a racial slur.

On Tuesday, however, Franklinton Police reported the incident may have been fabricated by Moffit, stating her fingerprints were linked to the cigarette lighter and lighter fluid was found at the scene of the incident.

The media went wild. People from around the state and country, including media personalities, blasted Moffit. They called her names ranging from liar to deranged to foolish.

Some older people I spoke with, though, thought the facts of this story were a bit sketchy. Maybe Moffit was crazy or maybe this was a cover-up to protect white supremacist men in a rural town about 60 miles from Jena, the scene of another racially charged conflict back in 2006 and 2007....

[juleswin]

I'll state for the record that I do believe this is a hoax.

But I do find it interesting which conspiracies people choose to believe and which they choose to ignore.

This is a crowd that generally does not trust police or media but everyone is taking them at their word on this case. Why?

Meanwhile my conspiratorial friends back home and all over facebook I am arguing with people who believe the police are covering up for their buddies in the KKK.

http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/columnists/article_90810e52-2160-11e2-a2d5-001a4bcf6878.html

Its a bit different, its not as black and white cop is always wrong. You have to consider what is it you are believing the police word for. Now if the woman was shot and the police said she shoot herself then you bet I will more likely believe the woman. In this case, the police has no reason to lie. If anything, this will be one less person they get to lock up and only god knows how much federal aid they just missed out on if this story had been true

Adding everything together and the history of women accusing imaginary men of assault, the girl is less credible actor in this story.

[BamaAla]

I'll state for the record that I do believe this is a hoax.

But I do find it interesting which conspiracies people choose to believe and which they choose to ignore.

This is a crowd that generally does not trust police or media but everyone is taking them at their word on this case. Why?

Meanwhile my conspiratorial friends back home and all over facebook I am arguing with people who believe the police are covering up for their buddies in the KKK.

Because they are all racists. That's what you're getting at, right? There's a racist behind every avatar.

[tod evans]

If cops did this they seem to have deviated from their standard MO of beat the shit out of a person, arrest them and file charges against them.

Have your friends offered any logical reason or even believable speculation that there was anyone else involved besides the woman?

I have trouble believing that even way back here in the sticks some group of dangerously inbred hillbillies is going to go to a park, set some broad on fire and sign her car with KKK...Not saying it's not possible, it's just not likely...




I'll state for the record that I do believe this is a hoax.

But I do find it interesting which conspiracies people choose to believe and which they choose to ignore.

This is a crowd that generally does not trust police or media but everyone is taking them at their word on this case. Why?

Meanwhile my conspiratorial friends back home and all over facebook I am arguing with people who believe the police are covering up for their buddies in the KKK.

http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/columnists/article_90810e52-2160-11e2-a2d5-001a4bcf6878.html

[torchbearer]

I see pigs as inherently corrupt, not inherently racist.
its a power and control thing, not a race thing.
knowing how agencies in louisiana work, the state troopers taking over eliminated any possible small town racist cover-up.
now, had the cops engaged the women, then she ended up dead. well, then, i'd believe they'd have motive to plant evidence.

[Brian4Liberty]

...
This is a crowd that generally does not trust police or media but everyone is taking them at their word on this case. Why?
...


Many of us were skeptical of the original media reports, which turned out to be wrong. The Police weren't an actor in the actual incident, they essentially just played the role of reporter (and initial reports were wrong).

[jmdrake]

To have a conspiracy theory you have to have...well...a theory. The theory that the KKK would spray "KKK" on someone's car and then get the police to cover up that it was the KKK that did it makes about as much sense as the theory that Nick Berg was beheaded by someone who stated his name on camera but then wore a mask to cover up his identity. (Oh wait a minute. That's the government theory. My bad.)

Okay, here's a conspiracy angle on this if you want one. Sharmeka Moffit is really a MKULTRA controlled operative who did a false flag on herself in order to justify passage of new hate crimes legislation. Run with that and see what you get.


I'll state for the record that I do believe this is a hoax.

But I do find it interesting which conspiracies people choose to believe and which they choose to ignore.

This is a crowd that generally does not trust police or media but everyone is taking them at their word on this case. Why?

Meanwhile my conspiratorial friends back home and all over facebook I am arguing with people who believe the police are covering up for their buddies in the KKK.

http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/columnists/article_90810e52-2160-11e2-a2d5-001a4bcf6878.html

[jmdrake]

Many of us were skeptical of the original media reports, which turned out to be wrong. The Police weren't an actor in the actual incident, they essentially just played the role of reporter (and initial reports were wrong).

*gasp* Facts? Don't try to confuse us with facts!

[BlackTerrel]

Its a bit different, its not as black and white cop is always wrong. You have to consider what is it you are believing the police word for. Now if the woman was shot and the police said she shoot herself then you bet I will more likely believe the woman. In this case, the police has no reason to lie. If anything, this will be one less person they get to lock up and only god knows how much federal aid they just missed out on if this story had been true

The reason being presented is that they are covering up for their friends (the KKK) who actually did this.

I don't believe this. But I also don't believe the cops (and the military and whoever etc.) covered up explosives in the WTC.


Adding everything together and the history of women accusing imaginary men of assault, the girl is less credible actor in this story.

What history?

I'd be willing to bet there are far more cases of women being assaulted by men than cases of women making up assault by imaginary men. It's likely 100-1. The number of women who light themselves on fire and blame imaginary men is likely 300 million to 3.

[BlackTerrel]

Because they are all racists. That's what you're getting at, right? There's a racist behind every avatar.

Not at all. I think very few people here are racists. Very few.

I think that conspiracy theories that many here find laughable "the cops are covering for the kkk" is no more laughable than "George Bush ordered the attack on 9/11".

Worldview impacts how you view every story and people bend the story to fit their worldview.

[BlackTerrel]

To have a conspiracy theory you have to have...well...a theory. The theory that the KKK would spray "KKK" on someone's car and then get the police to cover up that it was the KKK that did it makes about as much sense as the theory that Nick Berg was beheaded by someone who stated his name on camera but then wore a mask to cover up his identity. (Oh wait a minute. That's the government theory. My bad.)

Has the KKK never committed crimes and had the cops cover it up for them? I'd argue that historically that has happened - frequently.

As for why. There are plenty of theories on facebook.

1. They wanted to let the warning and intimidation be out there. But they also wanted to cover their asses.

2. The people who did it were low ranking members who got out of line. Then the higher ups came in and covered up for their boys.

[FrankRep]

Has the KKK never committed crimes and had the cops cover it up for them? I'd argue that historically that has happened - frequently.

Whenever I hear about a Hate Crime like this and the attacker leaves a calling card like writing "KKK" on something, I automatically assume it's a false report. (I was right.)
Why the hell would the attacker leaving a calling card? Who benefits? The "victim" obviously.

[jmdrake]

Has the KKK never committed crimes and had the cops cover it up for them? I'd argue that historically that has happened - frequently.

Sure. Now name one time when they did, and left the letters "KKK" at the crime scene. I don't recall "KKK" being scrawled on Emmitt Till's body.



As for why. There are plenty of theories on facebook.

1. They wanted to let the warning and intimidation be out there. But they also wanted to cover their asses.


The "fear and intimidation" factor goes out the window if the story is this woman did it to herself.



2. The people who did it were low ranking members who got out of line. Then the higher ups came in and covered up for their boys.

Okay. That one's at least remotely plausible. Now why are the black police officers going along with this?

[jmdrake]

Not at all. I think very few people here are racists. Very few.

I think that conspiracy theories that many here find laughable "the cops are covering for the kkk" is no more laughable than "George Bush ordered the attack on 9/11".

Worldview impacts how you view every story and people bend the story to fit their worldview.

I don't know of a single serious 9/11 conspiracy researcher that says "George Bush ordered the attack on 9/11". Please provide your source.

[BlackTerrel]

Whenever I hear about a Hate Crime like this and the attacker leaves a calling card like writing "KKK" on something, I automatically assume it's a false report. (I was right.)
Why the hell would the attacker leaving a calling card? Who benefits? The "victim" obviously.

There are far more real hate crimes than fake ones. You were right this time. I thought it unlikely a woman would light herself on fire. I was wrong.

[tod evans]

"Hate crime" is a misnomer used to segregate the masses more than nature already does.

How often do you read about Russians targeting the Chinese? Or vice-versa?

Blacks performing violence on whites is much more prevalent than vice-versa but statistically look at the usage of the "hate-crime" statutes.

Every single time I read about violence predicated with the race misnomer I'm assured of somebody promoting an agenda.

[BlackTerrel]

Sure. Now name one time when they did, and left the letters "KKK" at the crime scene. I don't recall "KKK" being scrawled on Emmitt Till's body.

The exact situation no? Is most of the time KKK is spray painted a fake hate crime? I severely doubt it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=spray+paint+kkk&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=burn+fire&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

1. Vandals spray paint “KKK” on Chesterfield cars...

2. KKK Symbol and Swastika Spray Painted on Somali-American's Driveway

3. A Henrico County resident reported their home had been vandalized after discovering the letters KKK spray-painted on their front door.

4. NBC12 has uncovered a crime alert out of Chesterfield. Sunday morning, three families woke up to find racist graffiti [kkk] spray painted on their cars.

5. "KKK", "White Power", and a Swastika Spray-Painted onto Arthur Ray's Diner in Odessa

6. Report: 'KKK' found spray-painted on church, school vehicles in NC

This is 3 minutes on google. Unless you think they're all fake. But I doubt people go out of their way to trash their own property. I'm pretty confident actual crime far outnumbers fake crime.


The "fear and intimidation" factor goes out the window if the story is this woman did it to herself.

No you get the message out to some. While simultaneously covering your own ass. Many in the African American community (more than half judging by the facebook posts I am seeing) still believe this actually happened so you get to have your cake and eat it too. Strike fear in the hearts and never get investigated for it.


Okay. That one's at least remotely plausible. Now why are the black police officers going along with this?

1. Fear/Intimidation.. Bribes
2. Being covered up by a few at the top, or the people at the crime lab, and not everyone is in on it.
3. Same reason people with a soul covered up 3,000 deaths on 9/11

[BlackTerrel]

I don't know of a single serious 9/11 conspiracy researcher that says "George Bush ordered the attack on 9/11". Please provide your source.

Drake I know you are a lawyer because every time we debate you beat me on semantics :D

I'm just being lazy with semantics here but how do you define "serious 9/11 conspiracy researcher" vs unserious researcher and who gets to determine that definition?

The general theory behind 9/11 is that the government (including Bush) either did it, got someone else to do it, or covered it up. Bush was President I'm guessing he would have had to be involved. Who did actually order it?

[BlackTerrel]

"Hate crime" is a misnomer used to segregate the masses more than nature already does.

Do you feel the same way about the separation for first degree murder, second degree murder, and manslaughter? All the exact same outcome - very different potential punishments.

But the people who complain about hate crimes never seem to have an issue with this or bring it up.

[tod evans]

Do you feel the same way about the separation for first degree murder, second degree murder, and manslaughter? All the exact same outcome - very different potential punishments.

But the people who complain about hate crimes never seem to have an issue with this or bring it up.

How in the world can you even loosely equate various components of murder charges with hate-crime statutes?

If a person were to attempt to draw some type of correlation then every crime committed against a person of different ancestry must be considered for hate crime enhancements.

All these "enhancements" do is further serve to broaden the chasm that exists between races.

[puppetmaster]

Do you feel the same way about the separation for first degree murder, second degree murder, and manslaughter? All the exact same outcome - very different potential punishments.

But the people who complain about hate crimes never seem to have an issue with this or bring it up.

you are really stretching it now.....

Hate crime laws are ridiculous and used primarily to advance agendas and careers.

[juleswin]

The reason being presented is that they are covering up for their friends (the KKK) who actually did this.

I don't believe this. But I also don't believe the cops (and the military and whoever etc.) covered up explosives in the WTC.

To have someone covering for you, you need to have some power or influence in the community. But gone are the days when the KKK had any power worth protecting, so its easy to dismiss a KKK cover up as a possible theory.

About the 911 cover up, I beg you to watch the series of video from this YT channel that I am about to post below. This is something you need to watch carefully(with an open mind) and even take notes if it gets too complicated. Watch it and if it doesnt convince you that those planes did not bring down the WTC then nothing will. Also to the motives for the false flag, watch "War by way of deception" or "911: Missing links". All can be found on YT. Stay away from anything Alex Jones, the man is just too gullible about anything CT and he tends to be a little over the top.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ySUrEiVFIM



What history?

I'd be willing to bet there are far more cases of women being assaulted by men than cases of women making up assault by imaginary men. It's likely 100-1. The number of women who light themselves on fire and blame imaginary men is likely 300 million to 3.

That is true, but there is enough high profile deceptions by people blaming non existing men of attacks to create doubt in the minds of people like me. I can think of think of 6 high profile cases that have been hoaxes. Btw the girl in Nebraska trashed her house and lit in on fire, so I guess that makes it 300 million to 4 :)

[amy31416]

If it's wrong to punish a black man more harshly for committing a crime against a white man, it's wrong to punish a white man more harshly for committing a crime against a black man.

Justice is blind and all that. A crime against another human being is a crime--"hate crimes" creates unnecessary and burdensome gray areas.

[juleswin]

If it's wrong to punish a black man more harshly for committing a crime against a white man, it's wrong to punish a white man more harshly for committing a crime against a black man.

Justice is blind and all that. A crime against another human being is a crime--"hate crimes" creates unnecessary and burdensome gray areas.

I am going to play the devils advocate on this one. Do you think it is the same crime if a well to do black nationalist(they do really exist) with anti white pamphlet in his possession assaults a white Northern European blond lady in the process of robbing her not because he needs the money(he is well off) but because she is white and a poor desperate white man assaults a black woman in the process of robbing her solely because he needs the money.


Again, you dont need to be a bleeding heart liberal in love with social justice to see that even though both crimes are assault robberies,, they are not the same. But I understand that the person being assaulted and robbed couldn't care less why he/she is being attacked.

[juleswin]

If it's wrong to punish a black man more harshly for committing a crime against a white man, it's wrong to punish a white man more harshly for committing a crime against a black man.

Justice is blind and all that. A crime against another human being is a crime--"hate crimes" creates unnecessary and burdensome gray areas.

I am going to play the devils advocate on this one. Do you think it is the same crime if a well to do black nationalist(they do really exist) with anti white pamphlet in his possession assaults a white Northern European blond lady in the process of robbing her not because he needs the money(he is well off) but because she is white and a poor desperate white man assaults a black woman in the process of robbing her solely because he needs the money.


Again, you dont need to be a bleeding heart liberal in love with social justice to see that even though both crimes are assault robberies,, they are not the same. But I understand that the person being assaulted and robbed couldn't care less why he/she is being attacked.

[amy31416]

I am going to play the devils advocate on this one. Do you think it is the same crime if a well to do black nationalist(they do really exist) with anti white pamphlet in his possession assaults a white Northern European blond lady in the process of robbing her not because he needs the money(he is well off) but because she is white and a poor desperate white man assaults a black woman in the process of robbing her solely because he needs the money.


Again, you dont need to be a bleeding heart liberal in love with social justice to see that even though both crimes are assault robberies,, they are not the same. But I understand that the person being assaulted and robbed couldn't care less why he/she is being attacked.

I don't think it's quite the same crime, but at the same time, we have juries and judges to determine the extent of punishment based on evidence--these things are already illegal.

What I'd like is if there was more of a push for those who carry out the assaults be required to actually pay back the victims.

[Brian4Liberty]

The exact situation no? Is most of the time KKK is spray painted a fake hate crime? I severely doubt it.

Sometimes it has nothing to do with the KKK, Nazis or racists. Sometimes it's just dumb-asses. ;)

[thoughtomator]

I am going to play the devils advocate on this one. Do you think it is the same crime if a well to do black nationalist(they do really exist) with anti white pamphlet in his possession assaults a white Northern European blond lady in the process of robbing her not because he needs the money(he is well off) but because she is white and a poor desperate white man assaults a black woman in the process of robbing her solely because he needs the money.


Again, you dont need to be a bleeding heart liberal in love with social justice to see that even though both crimes are assault robberies,, they are not the same. But I understand that the person being assaulted and robbed couldn't care less why he/she is being attacked.

They should be the same crime in the eyes of the law. Whether one instance is more worthy of leniency or has more mitigating factors than the other is for a court to decide. Legislators are notoriously bad at making up rules for things like this, and the fact that minds can't be read means any foray into motive-based criminal law (AKA thoughtcrime) is destined for failure.

[jmdrake]

Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
Has the KKK never committed crimes and had the cops cover it up for them? I'd argue that historically that has happened - frequently.


The exact situation no? Is most of the time KKK is spray painted a fake hate crime? I severely doubt it.

Okay. Let me be clear. I'm saying that I don't believe there has ever been a time when the KKK spray painted KKK on a crime scene and then got the police to cover that up. So your random good search on times the words "KKK" have been spray painted on something is meant to prove what exactly?



This is 3 minutes on google. Unless you think they're all fake. But I doubt people go out of their way to trash their own property. I'm pretty confident actual crime far outnumbers fake crime.


Okay BT. Be honest about our conversation. At no point was the disagreement over whether "KKK" has been sprayed somewhere. The disagreement is over whether KKK was sprayed and then the KKK had the cops cover it up! The question isn't whether the people you googled that were vandalized with "KKK" spray painted on their property faked it. The question is whether the police then claimed it was fake when it really wasn't. Let's take your first link.

http://fox2now.com/2012/11/05/kkk-spray-painting-suspect-in-custody/

Witnesses say he was arrested at one of the scenes shortly after the incidents. Police say the suspect is a 24-year-old white man and was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Charges are pending.

For your claim to have been true, the police would have had to say this was fake. But instead they arrested someone. Again I'm not saying there are never any hate crimes. I'm saying that I don't believe the KKK leaves a calling card then tries to get the police to say the person did it to themselves. If they leave the calling card (KKK) it's because they want people to BELIEVE they did it. Understand now?



No you get the message out to some. While simultaneously covering your own ass. Many in the African American community (more than half judging by the facebook posts I am seeing) still believe this actually happened so you get to have your cake and eat it too. Strike fear in the hearts and never get investigated for it.


Only in the hearts of the extremely gullible. But those people aren't worth worrying about anyway. That's not much mileage for the risk.



1. Fear/Intimidation.. Bribes
2. Being covered up by a few at the top, or the people at the crime lab, and not everyone is in on it.
3. Same reason people with a soul covered up 3,000 deaths on 9/11

Question. Would you be intimidated by some punk with some spray paint? Would you more likely be intimidated by someone who killed 3,000 people? I mean really. The original story, even if it had been true, isn't that scary. Worse things happen to people white and black every day. Police officers certainly see worse things. Your attempt at drawing a parallel is rather lame.

[jmdrake]

Drake I know you are a lawyer because every time we debate you beat me on semantics :D LOL



I'm just being lazy with semantics here but how do you define "serious 9/11 conspiracy researcher" vs unserious researcher and who gets to determine that definition?


Somebody that actually backs up what they say with evidence? There is evidence, for example, that the hijackers were training at U.S. military bases. Even Ron Paul has brought that out. That stinks to high heaven. But someone just coming out and saying "George Bush ordered 9/11" isn't serious because he has no foundation for the statement.



The general theory behind 9/11 is that the government (including Bush) either did it, got someone else to do it, or covered it up. Bush was President I'm guessing he would have had to be involved. Who did actually order it?

The general theory is that elements inside the government either carried out 9/11, got patsies to carry out 9/11 or covered it up. Question, do you disagree with any of that? Do you disagree with the belief that, at the very least, the government covered up what really happened on 9/11? Because that seems not even to be open for debate anymore with Richard Clarke spilling the beans about the CIA (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/11/september-11th-anniversary-richard-clarke-s-explosive-cia-cover-up-charge.html) intentionally withholding information from the FBI prior to 9/11 about 9/11 hijackers being on U.S. soil. At the very least that points to cover up of incompetence or LIHOP. (And the only "cover up" that we can really be talking about is cover up of incompetence. Because the "government carrying out 9/11" or "getting someone else to carry out 9/11" has "cover up" build in.)

Here's the deal. If anyone wants to run with the "KKK bribed/intimidated police officers into covering up their involvement in assaulting a black woman"....well...come up with some evidence. Anything. You mistakenly think that people who are 9/11 truth seekers are just "looking for conspiracies". I can tell you personally that's not me. I used to totally discount them. I couldn't discount 9/11 because I saw too much evidence. Now maybe the evidence isn't enough for you. But it's disingenuous to compare what 9/11 researchers do to some folks just making up crap and posting it on Farcebook "just because".