**Official** foreign policy debate thread - Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama

[jct74]

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3rd Presidential Debate - Monday October 22, 2012

Topic: Foreign policy

Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time

Location: Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida (Tickets)

Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates

Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney

Moderator: Bob Schieffer (Host of Face the Nation on CBS)


The debate will focus on foreign policy and be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator. Subject to possible changes because of news developments, here are the topics for the October 22 debate, not necessarily to be brought up in this order:

-America’s role in the world
-Our longest war – Afghanistan and Pakistan
-Red Lines – Israel and Iran
-The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism – I
-The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism – II
-The Rise of China and Tomorrow’s World

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.


http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012/10/last-presidential-debate-tonight-at-9pm-et-6pm-pt/


livestream:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6_bFYNs3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6_bFYNs3U

[LatinsforPaul]

"BOMBS AWAY" :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

If only they would play this video before the debate started...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsrMzfhdmkU&feature=my_favorites&list=FL4_CWdQBrDEKdB4MzTLhxmA

[Iptay]

With the whole red line issue between Israel and Iran, have y'all seen this? http://www.redlinesforiran.org/video.html

[LatinsforPaul]

With the whole red line issue between Israel and Iran, have y'all seen this? http://www.redlinesforiran.org/video.html

They need a "REALITY" check on the history of Iran...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrXDR694ZQ&feature=my_favorites&list=FL4_CWdQBrDEKdB4MzTLhxmA



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dmz8JO9zIw&feature=player_embedded

[Ben Bernanke]

What are the drinking rules?

:D

[AuH20]

A foreign policy debate??? Roughly 40% of the federal operating budget is borrowed and we're discussing foreign policy?

[bunklocoempire]

A foreign policy debate??? Roughly 40% of the federal operating budget is borrowed and we're discussing foreign policy?

http://s8.postimage.org/4agi7md4l/cupsandballs_full.png

[Brian4Liberty]

What are the drinking rules?

:D

One shot of araq for every mention of Iran.
One shot of vodka for every mention of Putin.
One shot of kosher vodka (http://www.lchaimkoshervodka.com/home.php) for every mention of Israel.

[Anti Federalist]

Damn, I was just gonne start this thread...

[Dr.3D]

Anybody else find it ironic the debate of these two clowns is coming to us from a place called "Rat's Mouth?" As I recall, Boca Raton is Spanish for rat's mouth.

So in a sense, we are getting this directly from the rat's mouth.

[July]

This is going to be difficult to watch. All the pundits are talking as if Romney and Obama represent a stark philosophical difference, of American exceptionalism versus non intervention. Or at least Fox News is. As if Obama is some kind of isolationist.

[Iptay]

This is going to be difficult to watch. All the pundits are talking as if Romney and Obama represent a stark philosophical difference, of American exceptionalism versus non intervention. Or at least Fox News is. As if Obama is some kind of isolationist.
Oh how easily the sheeps are manipulated.. If only people would turn off their televisions and actually read.

[Anti Federalist]

Anybody else find it ironic the debate of these two clowns is coming to us from a place called "Rat's Mouth?" As I recall, Boca Raton is Spanish for rat's mouth.

So in a sense, we are getting this directly from the rat's mouth.

You are right.

Mouth of the Rat.

Like RMoney's blimp crashing last night.

[jay_dub]

A debate between Barack O'bomb-ya and Mitt (Don't) Bomb-me.

[acptulsa]

'Perhaps the closest we have ever come to nuclear war'?

Tell that to Japan, Shieffer...

[civusamericanus]

In who's sane mind would you install an embassy in Libya, when it had been less then a year since NATO's war ended and it's long time leader was murdered. It's not like we have had a long term relationship with Libya.

[jclay2]

aaaa romney is talking about expanding foreign aid!!!

[acptulsa]

Gender equality? You going to shove that down the throats of our ally and the Bush family's dear friend, Saudi Arabia, Mitt?

[civusamericanus]

Finally a TRUE difference between these two candidates, one has a "Blue Tie" and the other has a "Red Tie"! This is going to be good!

[Shane Harris]

obama is 'winning' right now

[mac_hine]

Two bloodthirsty imperialists competing over who wants to kill more Muslims.

[PursuePeace]

Finally a TRUE difference between these two candidates, one has a "Blue Tie" and the other has a "Red Tie"! This is going to be good!

Romney's flag pin is bigger than Obama's.
I'm voting for Romney.

[Anti Federalist]

Romney's flag pin is bigger than Obama's.
I'm voting for Romney.

Either one of them wearing a Star of David pin?

[July]

Did Romney just say we can't kill our way out of this?

[Shane Harris]

I have heard nothing but contradiction and nonsense this entire time. Romney does not appear to be doing well though, thank God

[EBounding]

Obama wants to nation build so we don't have to nation build.

[DrHendricks]

Am I going crazy, or did Romney and Obama give the exact same answer in regards to Syria?

[LibertyEagle]

They are trying to out macho each other. Sadly, a lot of Americans eat this up.

[bunklocoempire]

Obama wants to nation build so we don't have to nation build.

Whereas Romney wants to nation build so we don't have to nation build -the choice is clear.

[Iptay]

Am I going crazy, or did Romney and Obama give the exact same answer in regards to Syria?
Yeah I'm kind of confused as to how they differed there lol...

[civusamericanus]

Both are ready to arm the Libyan Oppositions forces, regardless of the fact the SCO (Russia-China) has been clear that Syria is the Red Line in the sand.

[Sola_Fide]

Blind leading the blind.

[Shane Harris]

Mitt Romney for World Dictator 2012! Help America conquer the planet into bloody submission in the name of freedom and family values!

[robert9712000]

I'd love too see a tweet that says "Obama isn't as dedicated to Going to War and killing people as Romney ,we need more war and killing because War is peace"

[DrHendricks]

Yeah I'm kind of confused as to how they differed there lol...

Honestly, these debates remind me of debates at Boys State. They know they are supposed to try and argue with their opponents, but they agree on everything and it's just plain awkward.

[Sola_Fide]

Surprise: they agree!

[Iptay]

I don't even know what Obama is saying, but he just sounds so profound!

[Ronulus]

Romney sounds like a total dumb ass. Obama is at least acting like he knows what he is talking about and calling romney out every turn he gets.

[ClydeCoulter]

Romney just keeps repeating Obama and tries to sound likes it's different....this is too funny.

[Iptay]

Romney just said our debt makes us weak and then says we CAN'T cut the military... WTF?

[jclay2]

Romney just said our debt makes us weak and then says we CAN'T cut the military... WTF?

Ask me no questions and I tell you no lies.

[Bruno]

Did Obama really just say, "America is the one indispensible nation"?!? Or did I hear that wrong?

And someome tell him this is not a domestic or economic debate.

[civusamericanus]

Is this their closing remarks, seems like a good time to end this crap?

[Dary]

Just like in the republican "debates", RMoney seems to think that if he talks more, he wins.

[Anti Federalist]

Honestly, these debates remind me of debates at Boys State. They know they are supposed to try and argue with their opponents, but they agree on everything and it's just plain awkward.

But but but but this is one of the most crucial elections ever.

Never has there been such a stark difference between the candidates.

[angelatc]

I hate both of these men.

You can tell Obama had some coaching though. No more staring at the podium while Mitt talks.

[Iptay]

But but but but this is one of the most crucial elections ever.

Never has there been such a stark difference between the candidates.
No no no, that was if Santorum was the nominee.

[EBounding]

Is Schieffer in a coma?

[bunklocoempire]

Small business is foreign policy?

[rpwi]

LOL...they agree so much on foreign policy they have to change the subject to find things to disagree on :P

[EBounding]

So we have thousands of troops in godforsaken parts of the Earth, but lets talk about math tests.

[robert9712000]

One interesting thing iv'e observed so far about this debate is if you stare at Obama's forehead while he talks,his ears appear to get bigger.

[DrHendricks]

But but but but this is one of the most crucial elections ever.

Never has there been such a stark difference between the candidates.

This is such a waste of time. They should both just say in unison "We believe in bombing countries into freedom" and then just both walk off the set together holding hands.

[bunklocoempire]

Big Bird gone for national security.

[juleswin]

One shot of araq for every mention of Iran.
One shot of vodka for every mention of Putin.
One shot of kosher vodka (http://www.lchaimkoshervodka.com/home.php) for every mention of Israel.

I can play this one, China addition would have taken it over the top for me :)

[bunklocoempire]

Big Bird stays -for national security.

[torchbearer]

debate summary,"we are going to free the shit out of some countrys"

[rpwi]

Why does Romney keep blabbing about his business experience when it comes to balancing budgets? Many of his private equity investments did go bankrupt from the debt he loaded onto them to finance dividends/'maintenance fees'.

[cajuncocoa]

SF Giants 7
St. Louis Cardinals 0
Middle of the 4th

[wgadget]

Did Romney really say he knows what it takes to create jobs? Paging John Kerry...

[Dary]

They have these things called aircraft carriers.... lol

[robert9712000]

Obama did just make Romney look like a child with his comments about the number of ships we have.

[wgadget]

So when is it time for a word from our sponsor, Goldman Sachs?

[rpwi]

This is so awkward for Romney...I don't think he realized how much Obama agrees with him on foreign policy...

[bunklocoempire]

Crippling sanctions = peaceful

got it.

[wgadget]

So I wonder how long Romney consulted with his lawyers to prep for this debate...?

[EBounding]

So far they disagree on the number of ships the Navy should have.

[robert9712000]

did Romney just say hed would try to get genocide charges brought up on Ahmadinejad based on his comments?

[Brian4Liberty]

SF Giants 7
St. Louis Cardinals 0
Middle of the 4th

Now that debate is going well!

[ClydeCoulter]

Yea, look, people are starving in Iran or will be soon, we're destroying their economy almost as fast as we are our own.

[DrHendricks]

Do these two chumps realize that for almost two years Iran gave the IAEA permission to completely look over their nuclear program and the IAEA never once found signs of producing a nuclear weapon. The facts are just such a waste of time...

[cindy25]

been monitoring this on twitter; Dick Morris is so fixated on Israel
Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
#debates Romney is not hitting obama on Israel. Obama is effective when he articlates his policy but looks horrible when he attacks
Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
#debates stand with Israel isn't nato like commitment. Good recommendations on tightening sanctions. Good point on indictment on genocide
Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
#debates Obama good point about sancitons. But they were passed over his objections. Good points by Obama on Iran Evasive on Israel

[EBounding]

They could literally replace Bob with a potted plant. "Bob, let me respond"

[muh_roads]

So sad to see them proud of crippling another countries economy. :(

They're setting us up for future 9/11's. Thanks dumb fucks.

[jclay2]

They could literally replace Bob with a potted plant. "Bob, let me respond"

Lol.

[robert9712000]

LOL .where 4 years closer too a nuclear Iran! and i bet tomorrow well be 4 years and one day! So what does that actually mean? Uhm absolutely nothing

[jay_dub]

Mitt sees a lot for a man blinded by fear.

[rpwi]

Syria is a mess BECAUSE of US inference and their astro-turf revolution. US intererence isn't the solution it is the problem. Sigh...

[cindy25]

So sad to see them proud of crippling another countries economy. :(

They're setting us up for future 9/11's. Thanks dumb fucks.

they want more 9/11s; 9/11=more govt power, more union jobs (TSA), more flag waving.

[llepard]

I am a hawk and a war monger.

No, I am a bigger hawk and a war monger.

No,no,no, I love Israel more.

I want to fucking puke

These men are both evil

[DrHendricks]

Well since Romney doesn't think we interfere with the Middle East, let me learn him a thing or two.

Syria: 1949
Iran: 1953
Iraq: Early 1960's
Turkey: 1980
Lebanon: Early 80's
Libya: 1986
Iran 1987-1988
Libya yet again: 1989
Iraq and Kuwait: 1991
Iraq: 1992-96
Afghanistan and Sudan: 1998
Afghanistan: 2001
Iraq: 2003
Libya: 2011

[EBounding]

Is Romney for or against a Timetable? I'm honestly confused. :confused:

[llepard]

debate summary,"we are going to free the shit out of some countrys"

Right and liberate some civilians by killing them with drones

[jay_dub]

Romney is now directly contradicting Ryan on Afghanistan.

[cindy25]

Romney just took a dig at Rand without naming him, with regard to Pakistan.

2016 on his mind also?

[acptulsa]

'...helpful in encouraging Pakistan to move forward in repairing their relationship with us.'

Oh, Romney wants to bomb the living snot out of Pakistan. Got it.

[cajuncocoa]

If Romney wins, I will miss Obama's pronunciation of POCK-EE-STAN and TOLLY-BON.

[acptulsa]

Why is it that every time I hear about '...nation building here at home,' I get visions of Waco?

[acptulsa]

Did I just hear Bobby say, 'Obamas bin Laden'?

[seyferjm]

I am truly SHOCKED that this debate is going just as I suspected! They are direct clones of one another, sheesh!

[devil21]

I had to turn it off and stomp out of the room only a few minutes in. This country is so fucked. Just so fucked and most everyone is concerned only about which team "gets" to fuck us the fastest through rampant spending, crushing debt, and creating enemies in every corner of the friggin world. Im ready for this election to be over. I feel the apathy setting back in already.

[rpwi]

Holy cow are Bob Schieffer's questions hawk-biased :(

[llepard]

I am truly SHOCKED that this debate is going just as I suspected! They are direct clones of one another, sheesh!

Right, I am a fascist hawk. No, I am the fascist hawk.

[civusamericanus]

These guys are delusional... Afghanistan and Pakistan have already been spoken for by the SCO. They both need to face the fact, regardles of who wins this election, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq are done with the US. No Silk road involvement for the US, they need to get over it.

[llepard]

I support using drones because murder is good. Romney

[acptulsa]

'I believe that the president was absolutely right to' use drones to kill various people at will without a hint of due process.

They aren't even pretending to be different. They're hardly pretending to sound different. Maybe they should take a break so they can put Romney in blackface and Obama in heels. Then they won't even look different.

[rpwi]

It will be interesting to see how the MSM fact checkers spin this debate :P

[supermario21]

This is the most useless debate ever. Obama's problem is he is coming off a bit desperate. Romney will use this question to pivot to economy and pin Obama though.

[devil21]

China sucks!

(Hey China, can we borrow a few bucks?)


This is the most useless debate ever. Obama's problem is he is coming off a bit desperate. Romney will use this question to pivot to economy and pin Obama though.

Are you on crack? They're both saying the exact same things, just phrasing them differently. They could be running mates with this debate.

[Anti Federalist]

What I wouldn't give to have Ron on that stage right now.

He could blow these two tools away like lint.

[Pauls' Revere]

If Romney wins, I will miss Obama's pronunciation of POCK-EE-STAN and TOLLY-BON.

He sounds so culturated. LOL

[llepard]

We are so fucked. These guys are EVIL

Ron should not even speak to people like this. No one should, they deserve to be shunned.

Personally I do not talk to murderers.

[acptulsa]

We can have a relationship with China that isn't adversarial at all, Mitt?

Only if we roll over and let them kick our economic asses...

China doesn't play by the rules but we can have a non-adversarial relationship with them. And to facilitate this non-adversarial relationship, on Day One I will label them a Currency Manipulator (as if we aren't).

Huh?

[Shane Harris]

It is almost funny. Romney accuses Obama of things I wish were true, but aren't. And Obama accuses Romney of things I wish were true, but aren't.

[Pauls' Revere]

Does anyone get the sinking feeling that our foreign policy is really a slow methodical process to surround China?

[seyferjm]

Both of these men remind of these Slayer lyrics:

Homicide, suicide hate heals you try sometime!
Strive for peace with acts war, the beauty of death we all adore!

[supermario21]

The left always does this. Kerry was notorious for pronunciations of Pakeestahn.

[acptulsa]

Does anyone get the sinking feeling that our foreign policy is really a slow methodical process to surround China?

If so, that is sad. Because by refusing to allow our businesses to be competitive and enticing blowback we're enabling China to encircle us.

[jclay2]

S

We are so fucked. These guys are EVIL

Ron should not even speak to people like this. No one should, they deserve to be shunned.

Personally I do not talk to murderers.

Yep. These guys are egomaniac psychopaths who don't even blink when the make decisions that have affects on billions of people. No respect for life and liberty whatsoever.

[Anti Federalist]

We are so fucked. These guys are EVIL

Ron should not even speak to people like this. No one should, they deserve to be shunned.

Personally I do not talk to murderers.

Did you see this?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?393230-Brothers-and-sisters-in-liberty-I-have-a-request.-Please-help-ol-AF-and-his-family.

I think this may affect you also.

And you're right, no sane person should have anything to do with either one of these criminal lunatics.

[Shane Harris]

What I wouldn't give to have Ron on that stage right now.

He could blow these two tools away like lint.

amen. I'd love to see any number of people up there. Schiff, Woods, Rockwell, Rothbard (I know), etc.. I salivate at the mere thought.

[jay_dub]

Mitt lies so much that I can recognize his' 'lying through my teeth' face a mile away.

[Suzu]

Did I just hear Bobby say, 'Obamas bin Laden'?

Not exactly. He actually said "Obama bin Laden".

[devil21]

Does anyone get the sinking feeling that our foreign policy is really a slow methodical process to surround China?

Sounds more to me like a slow deliberate process to surrender to China.

[cajuncocoa]

What I wouldn't give to have Ron on that stage right now.

He could blow these two tools away like lint.IF they would let him talk. That's been the problem all along in debates Ron is in...they give everyone else 30 minutes and he gets 5.

[phill4paul]

This 'official' thread has only 24 pages at this point. How lame is that? I watched for about 15 minutes and decided 'Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives was a better bet. I'm not disappoint.

[llepard]

Bread and Circuses.

[liberty2897]

IF they would let him talk. That's been the problem all along in debates Ron is in...they give everyone else 30 minutes and he gets 5.

If they gave him more than 5 minutes, they would have to pass out a free dreidel and beany for everyone as a distraction.

[ShaneEnochs]

We are so fucked. These guys are EVIL

Ron should not even speak to people like this. No one should, they deserve to be shunned.

Personally I do not talk to murderers.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/548685_535729006453471_885429238_n.jpg

[bunklocoempire]

America as the hope of the earth?

Sheesh. Don't anyone tell God.

[cindy25]

judge nap has the best tweets

[LibertyEagle]

This debate was beyond sickening. Warmonger A battling Warmonger B.

[paulbot24]

Thank god it is over.

[Bruno]

This debate was beyond sickening. Warmonger A battling Warmonger B.

Succinctly accurate.

[acptulsa]

I'd really like to hear two things. I'd like to hear Romney explain how he intends to 'encourage' Pakistan to 'improve their relationship' with us. And I'd like to hear Obama explain how it was logical to 'transition from two wars to peace' via Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

[jclay2]

Judging by the slight move on intrade from the start to end of the debate, it looks like obaba "won" the debate.

[jay_dub]

Since the whole idea has been that anyone would be better than Obama, his holding his own is a win for him.

Romney has failed to make a case for changing horses.

Barring an event that moves the needle, Obama will win re-election.

[liberty2897]

This debate was beyond sickening. Warmonger A battling Warmonger B.

Exactly why I don't watch these things anymore. I didn't watch it, but I know what they said. Why fill your head with more of their lies? Unless you like to spend your energy letting your hate grow. If that is the case, in this context, I say let it grow!

[Shane Harris]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5660/nolanchartbipartisanshi.png

chart I edited showing bipartisanship/ both parties' migration

[Shane Harris]

Post-debate therapy: laying down and debating whether to read Spooner or Nock.

[seyferjm]

America as the hope of the earth?

Sheesh. Don't anyone tell God.

+ rep

[tangent4ronpaul]

judge nap has the best tweets

What's the Judges twitter feed?

-t

[GunnyFreedom]

The people who support this horror show are as bad as the German people who turned a blind eye to Hitler. Pride goeth before the fall, and I have no freakin pity for these petty monsters who vote for them, or the major monsters they vote for. I am past the tolerance of ignorance into full-blown contempt for anybody that is even capable of not actively opposing this nightmare. :weep:

Our only hope at this point is for America to collapse economically quickly enough before one of these monsters can go on a murder spree destroying 5 more countries and drawing Russia and China into a world war. God help us if the dollar holds out long enough for one of these psychopaths to push the button on Syria and Iran. I don't thing the American people have contemplated what war with Russia and China would really mean. :weep:

[llepard]

The people who support this horror show are as bad as the German people who turned a blind eye to Hitler. Pride goeth before the fall, and I have no freakin pity for these petty monsters who vote for them, or the major monsters they vote for. I am past the tolerance of ignorance into full-blown contempt for anybody that is even capable of not actively opposing this nightmare. :weep:

Our only hope at this point is for America to collapse economically quickly enough before one of these monsters can go on a murder spree destroying 5 more countries and drawing Russia and China into a world war. God help us if the dollar holds out long enough for one of these psychopaths to push the button on Syria and Iran. I don't thing the American people have contemplated what war with Russia and China would really mean. :weep:

Amen Brother, I could not agree more or have said it better.

[devil21]

Amen Brother, I could not agree more or have said it better.

Seconded. Tonite was the first time I truly had a "contemptuous" feeling toward people that play into this garbage. It was mostly entertaining and saddening before but I genuinely felt angry for the direction this country is going, all with the stamp of approval of most of the population.

[RickyJ]

The people who support this horror show are as bad as the German people who turned a blind eye to Hitler.

That is one heck of an insult to the German people. But hey, who cares about the facts when there is propaganda to keep on spreading for decades to come.

[jmdrake]

"BOMBS AWAY" :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

If only they would play this video before the debate started...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsrMzfhdmkU&feature=my_favorites&list=FL4_CWdQBrDEKdB4MzTLhxmA

Wow. I learn something new (and horrible) every day. I didn't know about the rape and murder of an American soldier at the hands of U.S. military contractors. :(

http://www.midtownfilms.com/

Defend that Rush Limbaugh!

[NIU Students for Liberty]

That is one heck of an insult to the German people. But hey, who cares about the facts when there is propaganda to keep on spreading for decades to come.

Actually Gunny wasn't too far off. The German people had reported more Jews/dissidents to the Gestapo than the Gestapo were able to uncover themselves through their warrantless searches and seizures.

[civusamericanus]

How I saw the Presidential Foreign Policy debate tonight…


Both candidates are being overly optimistic about the US role in the "New Silk Road". Fact Afghanistan has signed an agreement with India to take over training security forces, once the US pulls out in 2014.


The US thinks since India is going to be in there, we could still have influence, seemingly to ignore the fact China is already vying for a stronger position in the region. Pakistan is enjoying its new dialogue with Russia, and will do nothing to jeopardize its bid for full membership with the SCO.


China and Russia have already sewn up ties with nearly every nation in the region, even going as far as courting Iraq into the SCO. With China and Russia working diligently through the SCO and BRIC nations, economic deals have been made without bombs.


As continually stated Syria, is the “Red Line in the Sand” for Russia and China, they aren’t about to let another Libya debacle take place. Meanwhile the Democratic and Republican candidates seem to have to appease the ignorant masses, that regime change in Syria and Iran are strategic in the battle against human rights, Democracy, and National Security.


On the US biggest threat to National Security “The FED”, the two-party system candidates seem to think that if we use China as a scapegoat for our woes and accuse them of currency manipulation, the American people won’t question the trillions in currency manipulation that has been lent out by the FED to foreign banks.


It is unfortunate that both candidates must pander to their base and reach out to the center by speaking about nonsensical solutions.


The “Tao of presidential politics” is telling them how you’ll fix things in 8-to-10-to-20 years, not what they could be capable of fixing within their own term. Obviously too much money can be made for corrupt government and corrupt businesses, by simply kicking the can down the road, at the detriment of future generations.


If they would simply address the real concerns of debt upon our nation, more “Average Joes” would understand that it’s not the Islamic-boogeyman or the Capitalist-bogeyman that’s going to bring down our country, it’s the insistence of not drastically taking measures to reduce the debt that burdens our nation and its security.


Lastly, as any self-actualized household in America knows… If you’re drowning in debt, you reduce your spending, pay off your debts, and build from ZERO. Instead, I heard two candidates talking about doubling down on a bet, which the United States can no longer afford to risk.

[Anti Federalist]

Actually Gunny wasn't too far off. The German people had reported more Jews/dissidents to the Gestapo than the Gestapo were able to uncover themselves through their warrantless searches and seizures.

Gunny is exactly right.

The German people embraced the horror and wholeheartedly supported it.

Contrary to popular belief, the Gestapo was not the all-pervasive, omnipotent agency in German society.[31] In Germany proper, many towns and cities had fewer than 50 official Gestapo personnel. For example, in 1939 Stettin and Frankfurt am Main only had a total of 41 Gestapo men combined.[31] In Düsseldorf, the local Gestapo office of only 281 men were responsible for the entire Lower Rhine region, which comprised 4 million people.[32] "V-men", as undercover Gestapo agents were known, were used to infiltrate Social Democratic and Communist opposition groups, but this was more the exception, not the rule.[33] The Gestapo office in Saarbrücken had 50 full-term informers in 1939.[33] The District Office in Nuremberg, which had the responsibility for all of northern Bavaria, employed a total of 80–100 full-term informers between 1943 and 1945.[33] The vast majority of Gestapo informers were not full-term informers working undercover, but were rather ordinary citizens who for whatever reason chose to denounce those they knew to the Gestapo.[34]

According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[35] Gellately argued that it was because of the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism.[36] Indeed, the Gestapo—at times—was overwhelmed with denunciations and most of its time was spent sorting out the credible from the less credible denunciations.[37] Many of the local offices were understaffed and overworked, struggling with the paper load caused by so many denunciations.[38] Gellately has also suggested that the Gestapo was "a reactive organization" "...which was constructed within German society and whose functioning was structurally dependent on the continuing co-operation of German citizens".

[nobody's_hero]

"If you see something, say something."

[CaptUSA]

I have never seen so many words being used to "debate" the exact same foreign policy. I only last about 50 minutes before my head caved in.

I suppose the only thing they were debating was who should execute their foreign policy. No differences at all in the actual policy.

[nobody's_hero]

Yeah I'm glad I didn't fight sleep to stay up and watch this last night. However, trying to watch it first thing in the morning before work has possibly ruined my day. I made it about 2/3 of the way.

[tangent4ronpaul]

How I saw the Presidential Foreign Policy debate tonight…

Both candidates are being overly optimistic about the US role in the "New Silk Road". Fact Afghanistan has signed an agreement with India to take over training security forces, once the US pulls out in 2014.

I'm confused. What possible role would the US have in the "New Silk Road", which is all about keeping the west/NATO out of the affairs of the eastern world.

I find it kinda funny that I've never heard SCO mentioned on the MSM and I bet you'd draw blank stares if you mentioned it to a newscaster.

I have heard it mentioned ONCE on C-SPAN, and IIRC I found 3 mentions in a search of their archives. For an organization who's member states have 1.5 Billion citizens and conduct military exercises together and could take on and probably kick NATO's ass, this is odd...

-t

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The people who support this horror show are as bad as the German people who turned a blind eye to Hitler. Pride goeth before the fall, and I have no freakin pity for these petty monsters who vote for them, or the major monsters they vote for. I am past the tolerance of ignorance into full-blown contempt for anybody that is even capable of not actively opposing this nightmare. :weep:

Our only hope at this point is for America to collapse economically quickly enough before one of these monsters can go on a murder spree destroying 5 more countries and drawing Russia and China into a world war. God help us if the dollar holds out long enough for one of these psychopaths to push the button on Syria and Iran. I don't thing the American people have contemplated what war with Russia and China would really mean. :weep:


The final murder spree will quite possibly be internal. They haven't been setting up laws like NDAA for no reason.



Actually Gunny wasn't too far off. The German people had reported more Jews/dissidents to the Gestapo than the Gestapo were able to uncover themselves through their warrantless searches and seizures.


See something, say something.