MT-SWAT grenades home, make no arrests and badly burn 12 year old girl in the process.

[Anti Federalist]

Sometimes, I just don't know what to say...

I mean, is there anybody left that buys this "land of the free" bullshit anymore?

If there are, I'm here to tell you, when government randomly grenades homes and kills people, you ain't living in a free country anymore.

Get a fucking rope...:mad:



Grenade burns sleeping girl as SWAT team raids Billings home

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-billings-home/article_71d1f226-1474-11e2-b4b4-0019bb2963f4.html

12 Oct. 2012

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/missoulian.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/43/e437edc0-1474-11e2-84ea-0019bb2963f4/50782231bfe9e.preview-620.jpg

A 12-year-old girl suffered burns to one side of her body when a flash grenade went off next to her as a police SWAT team raided a West End home Tuesday morning.

"She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms," said the girl's mother, Jackie Fasching. "She's got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes."

Medical staff at the scene tended to the girl afterward and then her mother drove her to the hospital, where she was treated and released later that day.

A photo of the girl provided by Fasching to The Gazette shows red and black burns on her side.

Police Chief Rich St. John said the 6 a.m. raid at 2128 Custer Ave., was to execute a search warrant as part of an ongoing narcotics investigation by the City-County Special Investigations Unit.

The grenade is commonly called a "flash-bang" and is used to disorient people with a bright flash, a loud bang and a concussive blast. It went off on the floor where the girl was sleeping. She was in her sister's bedroom near the window the grenade came through, Fasching said.

A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level.

However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade when he tried to detonate it. He dropped it to move onto a new device, St. John said. The grenade fell to the floor and went off near the girl.

"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

On Thursday, Fasching took her daughter back to the hospital to have her wounds treated.

She questioned why police would take such actions with children in the home and why it needed a SWAT team.

"A simple knock on the door and I would've let them in," she said. "They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not."

She and her two daughters and her husband were home at the time of the raid. She said her husband, who suffers from congenital heart disease and liver failure, told officers he would open the front door as the raid began and was opening it as they knocked it down.

When the grenade went off in the room, it left a large bowl-shaped dent in the wall and "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.

St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."

The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

Investigators consider dozens of items such as residents' past criminal convictions, other criminal history, mental illness and previous interactions with law enforcement.

Each item is assigned a point value and if the total exceeds a certain threshold, SWAT is requested. Then a commander approves or rejects the request.

In Tuesday's raid, the points exceeded the threshold and investigators called in SWAT.

"Every bit of information and intelligence that we have comes together and we determine what kind of risk is there," St. John said. "The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time."

But Fasching said the risk wasn't there and the entry created, for her and her daughters, a sense of fear they can't shake.

"I'm going to have to take them to counseling," she said. "They're never going to get over that."

A claims process has already been started with the city. St. John said it's not an overnight process, but it does determine if the Police Department needs to make restitution.

"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside."

No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters.

"I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter's room be reprimanded," she said. "If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children."

[Anti Federalist]

40 years of drug war failure.

http://assets.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/40Years0fDrugWarFailure.jpg

[nobody's_hero]

Investigators consider dozens of items such as residents' past criminal convictions, other criminal history, mental illness and previous interactions with law enforcement.

Each item is assigned a point value and if the total exceeds a certain threshold, SWAT is requested. Then a commander approves or rejects the request.

So what? Let's say 10 counts of weed possession gets 10 points and if that's over the 'threshold', then I guess they just fucking nuke the place.

We can we stop reading stories about this shit and start running for mayor or sheriff and firing these asshole cops?

[fr33]

So they think it's wise to throw grenades into a house that they suspect has a meth lab? Sounds to me like they wanted to burn up everyone inside.

[Pericles]

Time for a new police chief.

[Nirvikalpa]

St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

Unbelievable.

[Lucille]

Saw that at reason (http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/12/12-year-old-girl-has-second-degree-burns#comment). Thread winners:

fish: So in other words these "Barneys" are trusted with light duty explosives and automatic weapons but in a statistically significant number of cases lack the reading comprehension or basic police skills to find the proper house/potential crime scene?

tarran: Meth labs are full of toxic, flammable chemicals.

Yeah, just the place to toss a fucking grenade....

Rasilio: Wait a minute, they believed that the house was hiding a Meth lab, places notorious for blowing themselves up because the quantity of flamabile chemicals and their tendency to spread them all over the place and they tossed in an explosive device?

What they hell were they trying to do, blow up half the friggin block?

ETA:
So they think it's wise to throw grenades into a house that they suspect has a meth lab? Sounds to me like they wanted to burn up everyone inside.

Another winner.

[specsaregood]

"A simple knock on the door and I would've let them in," she said. "They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not."

So they think it's wise to throw grenades into a house that they suspect has a meth lab? Sounds to me like they wanted to burn up everyone inside.
Exactly my thoughts. Insanity.

[Dr.3D]

Those combating drugs are far worse than the what they believe they are combating.

[Nirvikalpa]

Saw that at reason (http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/12/12-year-old-girl-has-second-degree-burns#comment). Thread winners:

fish: So in other words these "Barneys" are trusted with light duty explosives and automatic weapons but in a statistically significant number of cases lack the reading comprehension or basic police skills to find the proper house/potential crime scene?

tarran: Meth labs are full of toxic, flammable chemicals.

Yeah, just the place to toss a fucking grenade....

Rasilio: Wait a minute, they believed that the house was hiding a Meth lab, places notorious for blowing themselves up because the quantity of flamabile chemicals and their tendency to spread them all over the place and they tossed in an explosive device?

What they hell were they trying to do, blow up half the friggin block?

My thoughts exactly. That's like throwing a fireball into an organic chem lab.

[Anti Federalist]

So they think it's wise to throw grenades into a house that they suspect has a meth lab? Sounds to me like they wanted to burn up everyone inside.

Not like they haven't done that before.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9823/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzolmtan.jpg

And if they had blown the place up, nobody would be left alive to complain.

"Policy was followed".

[Anti Federalist]

From The Agitator:


#6 | MassHole | October 12th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Someone should lob a few flash bangs through the Chief’s window. Bet he wouldn’t be so laid back about it if it was his kid that got burned. The War on Drugs. It’s for the children right?

[Acala]

I like this quote: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said.

Well, sure the part about blindly jamming a grenade on a pole through someone's bedroom window in the middle of the night - that part was planned. Not very well planned, perhaps, but there WAS a plan. It was the part about there being a human being inside that was TOTALLY unforseeable. I mean who could even imagine that sort of thing?

[alucard13mmfmj]

My law enforcement teacher back when I was in highschool mentioned how he was on the CA, Riverside SWAT team. They threw a flash grenade into a room and there was a person on the bed of that room. The grenade fell onto the side of the bed. When the person heard and realize what was going on, he rolled over to the side of the bed and landed right on the grenade. The person died when the flash grenade went off under him.

[Anti Federalist]

Balko at The Agitator checks in:


Another Isolated Incident

Friday, October 12th, 2012

http://www.theagitator.com/2012/10/12/another-isolated-incident-53/

Montana SWAT team drops a flash grenade through a window into a bedroom where two children are sleeping. No arrests. No alleged meth lab.


A 12-year-old girl suffered burns to one side of her body when a flash grenade went off next to her as a police SWAT team raided a West End home Tuesday morning.

“She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms,” said the girl’s mother, Jackie Fasching. “She’s got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes.”

Medical staff at the scene tended to the girl afterward and then her mother drove her to the hospital, where she was treated and released later that day.

A photo of the girl provided by Fasching to The Gazette shows red and black burns on her side.

Police Chief Rich St. John said the 6 a.m. raid at 2128 Custer Ave., was to execute a search warrant as part of an ongoing narcotics investigation by the City-County Special Investigations Unit . . .

“It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable,” St. John said. “We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured.”

Well, I’ll give him unplanned. Though I don’t think he meant it in the way I mean it. Sorry, but when you’re blindly shoving a flash grenade attached to a boomstick through a window, and you clearly have no idea who or what is in that room where you’re detonating, the possibility that an innocence person might get burned is not “totally unforeseen.” It’s only unforeseen when you’re so caught up in your drug war that you can’t be bothered to take the time to consider the possible collateral damage your actions may cause.


On Thursday, Fasching took her daughter back to the hospital to have her wounds treated.

She questioned why police would take such actions with children in the home and why it needed a SWAT team.

“A simple knock on the door and I would’ve let them in,” she said. “They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would’ve checked, they would’ve known there’s not.”

She and her two daughters and her husband were home at the time of the raid. She said her husband, who suffers from congenital heart disease and liver failure, told officers he would open the front door as the raid began and was opening it as they knocked it down.

When the grenade went off in the room, it left a large bowl-shaped dent in the wall and “blew the nails out of the drywall,” Fasching said.

St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn’t know children were inside.

“The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room,” he said. “We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they’re present.”

I’ve probably read about more than a thousand of these raids by now. The cognitive dissonance still astounds me. No, Chief St. John, if you did not know there were two children in the home, if you did not know that you were dropping a flash grenade into a child’s bedroom, you pretty clearly did not do “plenty” of goddamned “homework.”

(Not to mention, as many have already pointed out, the idea of tossing an explosive incendiary device into a closed home that you think contains a meth lab. - AF)


Investigators consider dozens of items such as residents’ past criminal convictions, other criminal history, mental illness and previous interactions with law enforcement.

Each item is assigned a point value and if the total exceeds a certain threshold, SWAT is requested. Then a commander approves or rejects the request.

In Tuesday’s raid, the points exceeded the threshold and investigators called in SWAT.

“Every bit of information and intelligence that we have comes together and we determine what kind of risk is there,” St. John said. “The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time.”

Sounds awfully professional, doesn’t it? Except that they were looking for a meth lab, and pretty clearly didn’t find it. I mean, unless the Faschings recently had their house fumigated by Vamonos Pest Control, a meth lab isn’t something you can easily pick up and move.


“If we’re wrong or made a mistake, then we’re going to take care of it,” he said. “But if it determines we’re not, then we’ll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside.”

The last four words are self-evidently complete and utter crap. And sure. Let’s go ahead and entrust the same department that just carried out this debacle after doing “plenty of homework” to investigate itself to determine if it did anything wrong. That sounds like a perfectly fair, impartial way to treat the Faschings.

[jbauer]

40 years of drug war failure.

http://assets.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/40Years0fDrugWarFailure.jpg

Where did you get that chart? I see the web address with it but it only pulls the chart itself. I was wondering if there was an article to go with it or any type of supporting documentation? They say numbers don't lie...holy crap!!

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

If they did all of this so-called "checking" to determine there might be a meth lab inside the house, what level of stupid calls for the detonation of a flash-band grenade?

Cops talk about officer safety? Setting off a device like that if there was a meth lab would have been officer suicide.

[Anti Federalist]

Where did you get that chart? I see the web address with it but it only pulls the chart itself. I was wondering if there was an article to go with it or any type of supporting documentation? They say numbers don't lie...holy crap!!

http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/11/forty-years-of-drug-war-failure-in-a-sin

Via Drugsnotthugs.com and Reason's own Cynthia Bell.

UPDATE: A reader points out that the dollar amounts on the right Y axis don't add up to $1.5 trillion. The creator of the chart, documentary filmmaker Matt Groff, Tweeted the following in response to a question about where the $1.5 trillion figure comes from: "Short answer: chart shows only fed drug control, $1.5T refers to all costs assoc. w/ drug prohibition, blog on it shortly."

First off, I take the blame for not seeing the discrepancy. Shame on me.

But here's the funny thing: While the $1.5 trillion figure doesn't correspond to the numbers at right, it's actually low. In 2010, the AP put the 40-year tab of federal drug control spending at $1 trillion. But the massive federal drug control budget--for fiscal year 2013, it'll be $3.7 billion for interdiction, $9.4 billion for law enforcement, and $9.2 billion for early intervention--is actually a pretty small slice of the pie. States and municipalities have their own drug war expenses--investigating, trying, and locking up drug offenders--and those expenses actually dwarf what the federal government spends.

According to The Economic Impact of Illicit Drug Use on American Society, last published by the Department of Justice in 2011, enforcing illegal drug laws imposes an annual cost on the American criminal justice system of $56 billion; while incarceration of drug offenders poses an annual cost of $48 billion.

That's $104 billion spent annually by states and cities on two aspects of the drug war (and doesn't include treatment, public assistance, and a slew of other costs), compared to roughly $21 billion spent by the federal government. For $1.5 trillion to reflect just federal spending, the federal drug control budget would need to have been $37.5 billion a year, every year, for the last four decades. It's only slightly more than half that this year.

So, yes: There is a huge problem with the chart, in that 40 years of federal drug control spending does not add up to $1.5 trillion (though minus the "$1.5 trillion" in the middle of the image, the chart does accurately represent the growth of the federal drug control budget and the relatively flat rate of addiction to illicit substances). But even if the chart were designed to reflect "all costs associated with drug prohibition" over the last 40 years, with the right Y axis reflecting the growth of state and federal drug control spending, it would still be wrong, because $1.5 trillion doesn't nearly cover it.

[ctiger2]

They're keeping us safe! /s

[Anti Federalist]

If they did all of this so-called "checking" to determine there might be a meth lab inside the house, what level of stupid calls for the detonation of a flash-band grenade?

Cops talk about officer safety? Setting off a device like that if there was a meth lab would have been officer suicide.

That's simple.

"Officer safety" and the CFC is just a cover story.

This is all about war on us, acclimating us to the idea that cops can grenade us (or beat us, or taser us, or shoot us, or arrest us) whenever they want, for pretty much any reason they want.

War on us.

Never forgot that.

[Brian4Liberty]

No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search.

Translation: "We fucked up real bad, in every way imaginable. There was no meth lab. But hey, while we're in their house, we are looking for the slightest excuse to charge them with something, anything! We desperately need to justify our jobs and actions, and distract from our incompetence."

[tangent4ronpaul]

A photo of the girl provided by Fasching to The Gazette shows red and black burns on her side.

OMG! These parents had the audacity to take a picture of their unclothed child and provide it to another person??? :eek:

I guess SWAT will be back with CPS in tow to abduct the offspring... :rolleyes:

-t

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Well, I’ll give him unplanned.


It was planned. Just real fucking poorly planned.

Anyone else would be facing serious charges for attaching an explosive to a broom stick and putting it through a little girl's window. It took a lot of forethought to commit this crime. It's not like a cop slipped on a banana peel and his gun went off. That even sounds too incompetent for real life. Fuck.

[Kylie]

Translation: "We fucked up real bad, in every way imaginable. There was no meth lab. But hey, while we're in their house, we are looking for the slightest excuse to charge them with something, anything! We desperately need to justify our jobs and actions, and distract from our incompetence."


YUP.


This is so friggin out of hand. I'm really surprised that there have not been more people(who actually may be guilty of these "crimes") that have chosen to fight back and blow these cops away.

But I fear that time is quickly approaching. They will not stop until this happens, and just like a false flag on the country, they will use it to justify the over reaching force they used in the first place.

Circular force contiuum for sure. Fucking sickening.

[Anti Federalist]

It was planned. Just real fucking poorly planned.

Anyone else would be facing serious charges for attaching an explosive to a broom stick and putting it through a little girl's window. It took a lot of forethought to commit this crime. It's not like a cop slipped on a banana peel and his gun went off. That even sounds too incompetent for real life. Fuck.

Not incompetent, really.

All part of a larger plan.

See post #20.

[Kodaddy]

They will protect and serve the fuck out of you...

[Barrex]

Where did you get that chart? I see the web address with it but it only pulls the chart itself. I was wondering if there was an article to go with it or any type of supporting documentation? They say numbers don't lie...holy crap!!
Try this:

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picture really is worth a thousand words.... This one is worth 992 words then.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Not incompetent, really.

All part of a larger plan.

See post #20.


I'm not disputing post #20. I just thought it was odd for you to agree it was unplanned.

When I said "incompetent," I was referring to my banana peel thing. I'm pretty sure I'd expect myself not to discharge a weapon while slipping on a banana peel. The "incompetent" was aimed at my own remark there.

[coastie]

That's some outstanding investigation skills this dept. has.

If anything, this proves they don't actually investigate shit, them merely accusing you is plenty enough nowadays.

"well...why did we think you were doing something wrong, if you weren't?":rolleyes::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not disputing post #20. I just thought it was odd for you to agree it was unplanned.

When I said "incompetent," I was referring to my banana peel thing. I'm pretty sure I'd expect myself not to discharge a weapon while slipping on a banana peel. The "incompetent" was aimed at my own remark there.

Understood.

That was Balko's comment, not mine, thus the confusion.

[Danke]

40 years of drug war failure.

http://assets.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/40Years0fDrugWarFailure.jpg

Either we haven't spent enough, or we need to have more oversight to spend it more effectively.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

"I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter's room be reprimanded," she said. "If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children."

Wow I can't believe this journalist buried the MONEY QUOTE at the bottom of the page where no one even reads. This should be 2nd paragraph.

[amy31416]

"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside."

Wow. How do these people not vomit when telling such stupendous lies?

[VoluntaryAmerican]

"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside."

Wow. How do these people not vomit when telling such stupendous lies?

He's not a liar. He clearly believes that shiny badge means he's never wrong.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

"I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter's room be reprimanded," she said. "If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children."


Wow I can't believe this journalist buried the MONEY QUOTE at the bottom of the page where no one even reads. This should be 2nd paragraph.


Money quote. lol. Reprimanded? I think PRISON at the least, after they receive a trial like every american deserves.

[Lucille]

Will Grigg: Good Morning, Sweetheart: Now You're On Fire, Courtesy of the Local Police (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/122986.html)


Don't forget: Always Support Your Local Police

The child was asleep in her upstairs bedroom when a stranger lobbed an incendiary grenade into her home at about 6:00 a.m. October 9. Within seconds the 12-year-old girl had suffered first- and second-degree burns. Her father, who had been awakened by an insistent pounding on the front door, arrived in the living room just in time to see a wolf pack of armed intruders break it down. He dodged another grenade that “blew the nails out of the drywall” and left a “large bowl-shaped dent in the wall,” the father later recalled.

This act of state terrorism was carried out by a SWAT team attached to the City-County Special Investigations Unit (CCIU) in Billings, Montana. The CCIU is typical of the federalized einsatzgruppen engaged in the Regime’s "war on drugs." Billings Police Chief Rich St. John insists that the assault on the home was carried out because of “hard evidence” that a meth lab existed on the premises. This is why the stormtroopers blindly hurled incendiary rounds into the residence.
[...]
With the studied indifference of a veteran bureaucrat, Chief St. John promises to investigate the matter.

“If we’re wrong or made a mistake, then we’re going to take care of it,” he said dismissively to the Gazette. “But if it determines we’re not, then we’ll go with that.”

What this means, of course, is that St. John believes that the department may be entirely blameless in a pre-dawn home invasion that left an innocent child with second-degree burns.

The Chief says that the decision to use a SWAT team “was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.”

What St. John refers to is a formula called the "Threat Matrix." As I’ve previously explained, the standardized "Threat Matrix" checklist is similar in form and function to the approached used by the military and CIA to carry out “signature strikes” overseas. It takes into consideration a number of criteria to determine the level of risk to “officer safety.” The higher the Matrix score, the more militarized the police response.

In one common version of the Threat Matrix, a total of 1-16 points means that the supposed threat is considered "SWAT optional"; 17-24 points means that the SWAT commander should be consulted; if the score is 25 points or higher, SWAT deployment is "mandatory." Some individual criteria dictate "mandatory" SWAT deployment; for instance, if the subject is believed to possess an automatic, semi-auto, or bolt/lever action rifle, or explosives. Even the use of home "fortifications" – such as burglar bars – is awarded "double point value” in calculating the potential threat to that most precious of all social goods, “officer safety.”

Somehow, it was decided that the Fasching home – which was occupied by a family that included two young children and a father suffering from heart disease and liver failure – posed a sufficient threat to the CCIU’s intrepid armored badasses that a full-scale, pre-dawn raid was justified.

That the youngster survived the raid could be considered a species of miracle. She could easily have been murdered in her sleep, just like 7-year-old Detroit resident Aiyana Jones. Aiyana was burned by a flash-bang grenade and then shot in the head by a SWAT team staging a midnight raid for the benefits of a camera crew from the A&E cable network.
[...]
The murder of Aiyana Jones, like the terrorist assault in Billings, is a product of the mindset described by Gabe Suarez, who spent 12 years as a police officer in Santa Monica: "When I was on [the] SWAT [team] our view [was] that 'We will always win....even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it....we will win’."

Never forget: Police are trained to see Mundanes not as citizens whose rights must be protected, but rather as a threat to be subdued and an enemy to be conquered.

[HOLLYWOOD]

The problem is these are usually, FEDERALLY Funded. That's where the trouble ALL Starts.

You wanta look 'Bas-Ass'?
You want new Police outter wear?
You want new Weapons?
You want new Cruisers?
You want new SPY gear?
You want sniper rifles?
You want a amour personnel carrier?
You want new communication devices?
You want a Tank?

You want more pay/benefits, more confiscation authorities, more sharing of the theft of the spoils?


Do as we say, enforce/crack-down and the DHS, DEA, ATF, and a slew of other behemoth agencies from the DC Metro region will send you all the goodies your terror department needs, courtesy of the taxpayers themselves.

[tod evans]

A rope is just to good for these idiots.

With all the marvels of modern science I'd like to see Vlad reincarnated just to deal with out of line cops-n-prosecutors.:mad:

[Anti Federalist]

Will Grigg: Good Morning, Sweetheart: Now You're On Fire, Courtesy of the Local Police (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/122986.html)



That the youngster survived the raid could be considered a species of miracle. She could easily have been murdered in her sleep, just like 7-year-old Detroit resident Aiyana Jones. Aiyana was burned by a flash-bang grenade and then shot in the head by a SWAT team staging a midnight raid for the benefits of a camera crew from the A&E cable network.

SWAT operators were deployed to arrest a homicide suspect who wasn’t present in that unit of the duplex, and who could have been arrested the following morning in a conventional, low-key fashion. It went forward despite warnings from neighbors that children were present in the home — something that should have been obvious on account of the toys scattered in the front yard. Nevertheless, the paramilitary unit chose a Fallujah-style "dynamic entry," hurling a flash-bang grenade through a closed window and storming through the front door with guns drawn.

The murder of Aiyana Jones, like the terrorist assault in Billings, is a product of the mindset described by Gabe Suarez, who spent 12 years as a police officer in Santa Monica: "When I was on [the] SWAT [team] our view [was] that 'We will always win....even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it....we will win’."

If that doesn't make you cross-eyed, spitting nails, hair on fire furious, you are not a human being, and you have no soul.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/WorthamChic/RageFace.png

[Anti Federalist]

In one common version of the Threat Matrix, a total of 1-16 points means that the supposed threat is considered "SWAT optional"; 17-24 points means that the SWAT commander should be consulted; if the score is 25 points or higher, SWAT deployment is "mandatory." Some individual criteria dictate "mandatory" SWAT deployment; for instance, if the subject is believed to possess an automatic, semi-auto, or bolt/lever action rifle, or explosives. Even the use of home "fortifications" — such as burglar bars — is awarded "double point value” in calculating the potential threat to that most precious of all social goods, “officer safety.”

That's probably every person here.

[opal]

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:D


picture really is worth a thousand words.... This one is worth 992 words then.

[Dr.3D]

Dumb asses still haven't learned how to knock on a door.

[heavenlyboy34]

A rope is just to good for these idiots.

With all the marvels of modern science I'd like to see Vlad reincarnated just to deal with out of line cops-n-prosecutors.:mad:
+a bunch :mad:

[heavenlyboy34]

That's simple.

"Officer safety" and the CFC is just a cover story.

This is all about war on us, acclimating us to the idea that cops can grenade us (or beat us, or taser us, or shoot us, or arrest us) whenever they want, for pretty much any reason they want.

War on us.

Never forgot that.
Successful War On Us is successful. :( :mad:

[heavenlyboy34]

Dumb asses still haven't learned how to knock on a door.
Knocking is so old-fashioned and unfun!

[Dr.3D]

Knocking is so old-fashioned and unfun!
Yeah, I forgot, it's got to be exciting.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah, I forgot, it's got to be exciting.Can't let that paramilitary training go to waste either. :rolleyes: :(

[puppetmaster]

They are fucking idiots. They should be in the general prison population.

[paulbot24]

Here is something interesting about meth that many might not know. It is an FDA approved drug. It has been for decades. In order for a drug to be approved by the FDA it must pass rigorous testing (and usually pay millions of dollars) to make sure it meets two criteria: Safe, and Effective. If at a later date, after initially being approved, it is seen to have unforeseen damaging side effects, (remember Phen/Fen?) it is pulled from the market. Methamphetamine hydrochloride is still approved by the FDA for treatment of ADHD and obesity and goes by the brand name Desoxyn and its generic is widely distributed by Mylan Pharmaceuticals today. This sort of thing makes me laugh when I see billboards that say things like "Meth kills" when there is a Walgreens right under the billboard probably filling a script for it as I drive by. Look up Desoxyn if you don't believe me. Most people (especially cops) have no idea that this is true and their kids are probably on Adderall, which is exactly the same as "evil" methamphetamine, just lacking a methyl group, which is why the generic name is "amphetamine." That is if mom isn't taking the script herself to suppress her appetite so she can stay "true" to her diet.....:D

[JVParkour]

I called into a radio station today talking about information privacy and I changed the subject and told this story before the host could cut me off. It was great.

[mad cow]

Beyond the Unconstitutional and tyrannical aspects of both drug laws and swat team no-knock raids,a google search brings up 373,000 results for "meth lab explosion".

Don't they have internet connections?As others have mentioned,throwing a pyrotechnic device into what you think is a meth lab,well,it boggles the mind.

[coastie]

Beyond the Unconstitutional and tyrannical aspects of both drug laws and swat team no-knock raids,a google search brings up 373,000 results for "meth lab explosion".

Don't they have internet connections?As others have mentioned,throwing a pyrotechnic device into what you think is a meth lab,well,it boggles the mind.


As I said earlier...they didn't do a drop of investigating here. NONE. Merely being accused is all it takes-after all, you must be doing something wrong to make them think you are.:rolleyes:

[presence]

Each item is assigned a point value and if the total exceeds a certain threshold, SWAT is requested. Then a commander approves or rejects the request.

In Tuesday's raid, the points exceeded the threshold and investigators called in SWAT.

Don't fucking tell me the computers aren't keeping a point total on each of us.

[paulbot24]

If you had a bottle of liquor on your counter and a couple of shot glasses and they flash-banged your kitchen you would likely have just as much of an explosion as a "meth-lab" house. Hell the astringents in your bathroom are likely to blow up just as fast. Most of those search results are likely by our government attempting to make people scared and more likely to "rat out" a potential meth-lab house on their street, fearing somehow it is going to blow up the whole street. Not to mention the fact that it makes a great case for the police to seize your house and all your belongings since they are "chemically tainted." True, some solvents used in the process are flammable, but so are the spray cans and typical home-depot items you have in your garage. If you have a painter that lives on your street, his garage is more likely to blow up like the godfather than from a "meth lab" on the same street.

[Dr.3D]

If you had a bottle of liquor on your counter and a couple of shot glasses and they flash-banged your kitchen you would likely have just as much of an explosion as a "meth-lab" house. Hell the astringents in your bathroom are likely to blow up just as fast. Most of those search results are likely by our government attempting to make people scared and more likely to "rat out" a potential meth-lab house on their street, fearing somehow it is going to blow up the whole street. Not to mention the fact that it makes a great case for the police to seize your house and all your belongings since they are "chemically tainted." True, some solvents used in the process are flammable, but so are the spray cans and typical home-depot items you have in your garage. If you have a painter that lives on your street, his garage is more likely to blow up like the godfather than from a "meth lab" on the same street.

Or the guy that is into reloading his own ammo. Imagine his powder supply being hit with one of those.

[Carson]

This is the headline for the story over at Fark.com.

SWAT team raids home seeking non-existent meth lab. Lousy homeowners upset that their daughter was burned by a flash grenade instead of grateful no one was killed (http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-home/article_8bc67054-464d-5951-a5a1-003d4ed02d99.html)

Here is a link to the comment section ( Not some very happy comments);

http://www.fark.com/comments/7378838/SWAT-team-raids-home-seeking-non-existent-meth-lab-Lousy-homeowners-upset-that-their-daughter-was-burned-by-a-flash-grenade-instead-of-grateful-no-one-was-killed

[Anti Federalist]

"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

I keep getting hung up on that...

You set off fucking grenades, in a residential home, that you said contained a meth lab which would be full of highly explosive fumes.

What the holy fuck did you THINK was gonna happen, you dickless wonder, you???

[mad cow]

If you had a bottle of liquor on your counter and a couple of shot glasses and they flash-banged your kitchen you would likely have just as much of an explosion as a "meth-lab" house. Hell the astringents in your bathroom are likely to blow up just as fast. Most of those search results are likely by our government attempting to make people scared and more likely to "rat out" a potential meth-lab house on their street, fearing somehow it is going to blow up the whole street. Not to mention the fact that it makes a great case for the police to seize your house and all your belongings since they are "chemically tainted." True, some solvents used in the process are flammable, but so are the spray cans and typical home-depot items you have in your garage. If you have a painter that lives on your street, his garage is more likely to blow up like the godfather than from a "meth lab" on the same street.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/10/04/3018020/meth-lab-explosion-shatters-fresno.html

The first result from Bing under "meth lab explosion".You might want to read it.

[paulbot24]

http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/10/04/3018020/meth-lab-explosion-shatters-fresno.html

The first result from Bing under "meth lab explosion".You might want to read it.

Don't have to. Do you believe everything you read? When I type "Ron Paul" in my google bar and press the space bar and it starts giving me suggestions, the seventh suggestion down says "Ron Paul racist" with links to "proof" in his newsletters. Unbelievable. When my dad was my age he used to be able to purchase dynamite for use on his land. He would probably be on a watch-list as a terrorist if he whispered the word "explosives" now. We have fear-mongering articles, probably like the one you list above to thank for our "safely controlled" world now.

[heavenlyboy34]

Here is something interesting about meth that many might not know. It is an FDA approved drug. It has been for decades. In order for a drug to be approved by the FDA it must pass rigorous testing (and usually pay millions of dollars) to make sure it meets two criteria: Safe, and Effective. If at a later date, after initially being approved, it is seen to have unforeseen damaging side effects, (remember Phen/Fen?) it is pulled from the market. Methamphetamine hydrochloride is still approved by the FDA for treatment of ADHD and obesity and goes by the brand name Desoxyn and its generic is widely distributed by Mylan Pharmaceuticals today. This sort of thing makes me laugh when I see billboards that say things like "Meth kills" when there is a Walgreens right under the billboard probably filling a script for it as I drive by. Look up Desoxyn if you don't believe me. Most people (especially cops) have no idea that this is true and their kids are probably on Adderall, which is exactly the same as "evil" methamphetamine, just lacking a methyl group, which is why the generic name is "amphetamine." That is if mom isn't taking the script herself to suppress her appetite so she can stay "true" to her diet.....:D
There are some forms of opium that are legal too, IIRC. I heard that somewhere...

[heavenlyboy34]

Don't have to. Do you believe everything you read? When I type "Ron Paul" in my google bar and press the space bar and it starts giving me suggestions, the seventh suggestion down says "Ron Paul racist" with links to "proof" in his newsletters. Unbelievable. When my dad was my age he used to be able to purchase dynamite for use on his land. He would probably be on a watch-list as a terrorist if he whispered the word "explosives" now. We have fear-mongering articles, probably like the one you list above to thank for our "safely controlled" world now.
Wait-your dad bought dynamite? Reported.

[paulbot24]

More gems from our nanny media:
"Nitrous oxide is also used in race cars to boost engine power. So, you know, it's a dangerous substance," Dr. Stratyner said. "...there is evidence that abusing nitrous oxide causes "dark holes" in the brain, in areas that have been deprived of oxygen and brain cells have been destroyed." My god, isn't this what they give you at the dentist office? They give "race car fuel" to our children before they fill their cavities? Screw meth labs, I can't believe the dentist offices aren't exploding with all this rocket fuel stuff!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57366812-10391704/demi-moore-reportedly-hospitalized-after-inhaling-nitrous-oxide-what-are-whippets/

[mad cow]

Don't have to. Do you believe everything you read? When I type "Ron Paul" in my google bar and press the space bar and it starts giving me suggestions, the seventh suggestion down says "Ron Paul racist" with links to "proof" in his newsletters. Unbelievable. When my dad was my age he used to be able to purchase dynamite for use on his land. He would probably be on a watch-list as a terrorist if he whispered the word "explosives" now. We have fear-mongering articles, probably like the one you list above to thank for our "safely controlled" world now.

Meth lab explosion shatters Fresno neighborhood
By Angel Moreno - The Fresno Bee
Thursday, Oct. 04, 2012 | 09:21 PM
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A meth lab in a Fresno home exploded Thursday, destroying the house, damaging neighboring homes and leaving one man critically burned, authorities said.

The home on the 4200 block of North Katy Avenue west of Highway 99 was turned into a drug lab by a Mexican cartel, who had apparently rented it within the last 30 days, said Ben Buford, special agent in charge with the state Department of Justice Bureau of Investigation.

Buford said investigators believe the 11:40 a.m. explosion was caused when fumes from acetone, used to process methamphetamine, were ignited by a spark. The house had been sealed to prevent fumes from escaping, he said.

The blast blew off the back walls and set the home on fire. The garage door at the front of the house was blown off its frame.

Neighbors said the explosion felt like an earthquake. Windows of at least five neighboring houses were shattered by the force of the blast.

The house next door suffered extensive damage to the roof and kitchen as windows and doors were smashed and kitchen cabinets were blown off walls.

"I was laying in bed and I seen a big ball of fire," said the neighbor, who identified himself as Johnny and declined to give his last name. "My wife and kids started screaming in the other room."

The man said he got his family out of their house uninjured. The American Red Cross was assisting the family of four with shelter, food and water.

Buford said one man inside the blast house was severely burned and is in critical condition at Community Regional Medical Center. Two other people inside the home at the time of the explosion escaped and are being sought, he said.


THE REPORTER CAN BE REACHED AT (559) 441-6165 OR AMORENO@FRESNOBEE.COM.


Here,I'll copy the story so you don't have to click my link.
Local news story from last week?MK-ULTRA/CIA disinformation campaign?
Why don't you call the reporter and find out.

[tangent4ronpaul]

When my dad was my age he used to be able to purchase dynamite for use on his land. He would probably be on a watch-list as a terrorist if he whispered the word "explosives" now.

A guy I used to know told me that he used to be able to walk into farm and ranch supply stores in the '60s and buy TNT over the counter without showing ID and with no questions asked. Then again, in the 60s you used to be able to get on airplanes with pistols strapped to your hip. They had to be unloaded, though. In earlier decades, they didn't have to be unloaded...

Imagine how different 9/11 would have been if the passengers hadn't been disarmed first...


There are some forms of opium that are legal too, IIRC. I heard that somewhere...

I think you are talking about something else, but Nubain is the only unscheduled narcotic. It doesn't give you the euphoric buzz other narcotics do but it will take care of major pain. If you are asking your doc for painkillers for a medical stockpile - this is he one to ask for. It's an injectable.

-t

[paulbot24]

Let the record reflect that I've read your article and I'm still wondering when a real libertarian comment is going to appear from you. If you read my post before, you'll remember I said there are plenty of household solvents that are flammable. The article mentions that this explosion was caused by acetone and a spark. If acetone and a spark constitute a meth lab and a danger to society than I hope you never have a girlfriend that wants to change her nail polish while you light up or you're likely to all be killed. It's this kind of thinking that will make it a federal offense to buy the materials needed to remodel a house. "Sir, do you have a permit to purchase that paint thinner?" Jesus. I loved your closer. "Why don't I call the reporter and find out?" Why would anybody call a reporter to find out the truth? Uh oh, is that too MK-Ultra sounding for you?

[mad cow]

Well,I have a 1.75 liter bottle of Rum on my kitchen counter,hitting the Cuba Libras tonight,but I only have one shot glass there,thank God,I wouldn't want to die in a fiery inferno.

[paulbot24]

Well,I have a 1.75 liter bottle of Rum on my kitchen counter,hitting the Cuba Libras tonight,but I only have one shot glass there,thank God,I wouldn't want to die in a fiery inferno.

I'll have a shot of rum with you. Maybe we both could use a shot or two. I'll keep my lighter in my pocket. Just in case....:D

[Pericles]

In one common version of the Threat Matrix, a total of 1-16 points means that the supposed threat is considered "SWAT optional"; 17-24 points means that the SWAT commander should be consulted; if the score is 25 points or higher, SWAT deployment is "mandatory." Some individual criteria dictate "mandatory" SWAT deployment; for instance, if the subject is believed to possess an automatic, semi-auto, or bolt/lever action rifle, or explosives. Even the use of home "fortifications" — such as burglar bars — is awarded "double point value” in calculating the potential threat to that most precious of all social goods, “officer safety.”


That's probably every person here.

I take that as a challenge. Anybody know the highest score I can get?

[GunnyFreedom]

"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside."

Wow. How do these people not vomit when telling such stupendous lies?

Don't forget that most states have passed a "good faith exception to the exclusionary rule." :mad:

[heavenlyboy34]

Don't forget that most states have passed a "good faith exception to the exclusionary rule." :mad:
SMH. :( :mad:

[jtstellar]

i have a question in mind.. so what if we don't care about the 'safety of the officers'.. wtf you gonna do, ya'all quit? and do what? become trash pickers?

it's a shitty job.. take it or leave it. why do i have to sacrifice my safety for yours?

[GunnyFreedom]

i have a question in mind.. so what if we don't care about the 'safety of the officers'.. wtf you gonna do, ya'all quit? and do what? become trash pickers?

it's a shitty job.. take it or leave it. why do i have to sacrifice my safety for yours?

Except police officer is an extraordinarily safe job, statistically. And would be even more safe if they didn't run around just blowing people and animals away in the support and execution of blatantly unconstitutional laws. Just like America's foreign policy makes America less safe, police enforcement policy makes police less safe. Had that been an actual meth lab, then the entire squad of police would likely be dead, but if they had properly executed a search warrant without the pyrotechnics, even if it were a meth lab they'd be fine. The vast majority of police deaths and injuries are self inflicted through ignorance negligence or incompetence, but even counting those police don't even make the top 10 most dangerous professions. Remove the traffic accidents, friendly fire, and pure ignorance (like detonating pyrotechnics in a suspected meth lab) and police probably wouldn't even make the top 100.

You forgot, we don't buy propaganda on this forum. We deal in facts.

ETA - I saw jtstellar's post from the wrong perspective. I see now that we agree. The post still applies to the apologists though, just not to jtstellar. ;)

[heavenlyboy34]

This is the headline for the story over at Fark.com.

SWAT team raids home seeking non-existent meth lab. Lousy homeowners upset that their daughter was burned by a flash grenade instead of grateful no one was killed (http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-home/article_8bc67054-464d-5951-a5a1-003d4ed02d99.html)

Here is a link to the comment section ( Not some very happy comments);

http://www.fark.com/comments/7378838/SWAT-team-raids-home-seeking-non-existent-meth-lab-Lousy-homeowners-upset-that-their-daughter-was-burned-by-a-flash-grenade-instead-of-grateful-no-one-was-killed
"I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter's room be reprimanded," she said. "If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children."

Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-home/article_8bc67054-464d-5951-a5a1-003d4ed02d99.html#ixzz29CeDB6c7

" (http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-home/article_8bc67054-464d-5951-a5a1-003d4ed02d99.html#ixzz29CeDB6c7)Reprimanded"? WTF? They severely burn your little girl in her own bedroom and you just want them "reprimanded"? Dammit, lady! WTF is wrong with you? I would want a helluva lot more than a fucking reprimand. :mad:

[heavenlyboy34]

Except police officer is an extraordinarily safe job, statistically. And would be even more safe if they didn't run around just blowing people and animals away in the support and execution of blatantly unconstitutional laws. Just like America's foreign policy makes America less safe, police enforcement policy makes police less safe. Had that been an actual meth lab, then the entire squad of police would likely be dead, but if they had properly executed a search warrant without the pyrotechnics, even if it were a meth lab they'd be fine. The vast majority of police deaths and injuries are self inflicted through ignorance negligence or incompetence, but even counting those police don't even make the top 10 most dangerous professions. Remove the traffic accidents, friendly fire, and pure ignorance (like detonating pyrotechnics in a suspected meth lab) and police probably wouldn't even make the top 100.

You forgot, we don't buy propaganda on this forum. We deal in facts.
This^^

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P.s.

In Bosnia police officers get beaten often "in line of duty" too so things get balanced out. People keep it fair more or less. It is small country with relativley small cities so everyone knows everyone and everyone knowe that everyone else is armed so...

[Anti Federalist]

///

[anaconda]

Money bomb for civil suits and lobbying for criminal prosecution? Or chip in or something? If the Revolution could come together on just one of these high profile cases, and kick some ass, we would become a force to be reckoned with in these matters.

[acptulsa]

The problem is these are usually, FEDERALLY Funded. That's where the trouble ALL Starts.

Do as we say, enforce/crack-down and the DHS, DEA, ATF, and a slew of other behemoth agencies from the DC Metro region will send you all the goodies your terror department needs, courtesy of the taxpayers themselves.

And what did Americans expect to happen when they turned control of the country over to the military industrial complex?

[phill4paul]

If they don't start policing themselves soon I think that soon someone will begin doing it for them.

[Philhelm]

I take that as a challenge. Anybody know the highest score I can get?

Well, I'd imagine you've racked up at least 6,282 points; one point for each post on this site. You're a veteran and I'm assuming you own firearms, so that brings it even higher.

[Anti Federalist]

Bump because this pisses me off.

[JK/SEA]

Bump because this pisses me off.

you're wasting your piss.




this is supposed to be a takeoff on the wasting your vote cliche...

[tod evans]

Any news on the kid?

[Anti Federalist]

Wonder when there will be teary eyed presidential addresses and flags flying at half mast for the Fasching girl?

Or Aliayna Jones?

Or Noel Polanco?

Or Kelly Thomas?

Or Nick Christie?

Or Patricia Cook?

Or the thousands of other victims of police abuse?

I didn't think so.

[Anti Federalist]

Or Miriam Carey.

Bump for another thread

[Christian Liberty]

WRT the OP, yes there are still people who buy the "land of the free" lie.

I still hear prayers for the troops who are "fighting for their freedoms."

And most people would probably be downright offended if they read the things you've written about police. I don't even go quite that far most of the time (Not because I disagree, but simply because people haven't been introduced to these ideas most of the time) and a lot of people still get offended.

Yet, you're right.

And thus, we're screwed.

[TomtheTinker]

Just doing their jobs! :mad:

[Christian Liberty]

If that doesn't make you cross-eyed, spitting nails, hair on fire furious, you are not a human being, and you have no soul.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/WorthamChic/RageFace.png

Yeah, it makes me mad, alright. I don't know what the flying crap to do with it, but I'm ticked.

[JK/SEA]

keep spreading the word.

once heard and seen, it cannot be un-heard or un-seen.

yes, it will take time.

[kcchiefs6465]

My law enforcement teacher back when I was in highschool mentioned how he was on the CA, Riverside SWAT team. They threw a flash grenade into a room and there was a person on the bed of that room. The grenade fell onto the side of the bed. When the person heard and realize what was going on, he rolled over to the side of the bed and landed right on the grenade. The person died when the flash grenade went off under him.
There have been police officers killed because flash bangs went off prematurely or unexpectedly. More than a few.

Others have lost hands or fingers.

[kcchiefs6465]

The child's burns, apparently. Taken from the Will Griggs' article.

http://i.imgur.com/v9nvKee.jpg?1

[kcchiefs6465]

Although stun grenades are usually designed to be non-lethal, several deaths have been attributed to their use. These include:

In 1989, police in Minneapolis, Minnesota, conducted a drug raid at the home of an elderly couple, Lloyd Smalley and Lillian Weiss, after receiving inaccurate information from an informant. The flashbang grenades police used in the raid set the home on fire. Police said they were certain no one was inside, and so, at first, made no attempt at rescue. Smalley and Weiss died of smoke inhalation.[2][3][4][5][6]

In May 2003, a woman named Alberta Spruill died from a heart attack after a police team detonated a stun grenade at her residence in Harlem, New York. Her family eventually won a $1.6 million civil suit against the city.[7]

In January 2011, a California man named Rogelio Serrato died of smoke inhalation after a flashbang grenade launched by a police SWAT team ignited a fire in his home.[8] The man was believed to have been hiding in the attic when the fire broke out.[9]

In February 2011, a North Carolina SWAT police officer was injured at his home when a stun grenade accidentally detonated while he was attempting to secure his equipment. He underwent emergency surgery, but later died of his injuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stun_grenade

[Anti Federalist]

Powder burns hurt like hell.



The child's burns, apparently. Taken from the Will Griggs' article.

http://i.imgur.com/v9nvKee.jpg?1

[kcchiefs6465]

Powder burns hurt like hell.
Nothing burns worse than something you can't get off.

These explode and create up to 180db (she'll be lucky if she doesn't have hearing damage, perhaps permanently) and 1,000,000 candelas. (I couldn't even imagine.)

It's no trivial issue.

I was posting the picture because I am disturbed to see a child's flesh look like a smoked pig. I was surprised it had not yet been posted.

Good to know though, as isn't the case with other seared children, the "chemicals" used to create such a blast/effect will most likely not cause her any direct organ failure within the next decade. I was concerned those particles may have stayed with her.

ETA: My response was not intended to come off as preachy or whatever. I know you know what I'm talking about. The "apparently" was just that I wasn't sure if this was the child burned here in this instance, or another. (there was no caption to clarify) The picture looked familiar, or I've seen too many flash bang burn victims. It's getting monotonous, day after day there is something so damn incredible it leaves me speechless. I've seen about it all but still am surprised by what occurs daily.

[satchelmcqueen]

i would sue the fuck out of everyone involved if they did that to my little girl. fuck em!!!

id even make t shirts with all of the cops faces on the front and give them out for free. id ruin them forever.

[Anti Federalist]

Honestly?

I posted that picture in the OP but the link went dead.

Thanks for re-posting...it needs to be seen.


Nothing burns worse than something you can't get off.

These explode and create up to 180db (she'll be lucky if she doesn't have hearing damage, perhaps permanently) and 1,000,000 candelas. (I couldn't even imagine.)

It's no trivial issue.

I was posting the picture because I am disturbed to see a child's flesh look like a smoked pig. I was surprised it had not yet been posted.

Good to know though, as isn't the case with other seared children, the "chemicals" used to create such a blast/effect will most likely not cause her any direct organ failure within the next decade. I was concerned those particles may have stayed with her.

ETA: My response was not intended to come off as preachy or whatever. I know you know what I'm talking about. The "apparently" was just that I wasn't sure if this was the child burned here in this instance, or another. (there was no caption to clarify) The picture looked familiar, or I've seen too many flash bang burn victims. It's getting monotonous, day after day there is something so damn incredible it leaves me speechless. I've seen about it all but still am surprised by what occurs daily.

[kcchiefs6465]

Bump.

[aGameOfThrones]

Freedom Burn!

[osan]

You're on the money my friend. I really don't know what to say about any of this. Americans have proven such a disappointment.

[osan]

So they think it's wise to throw grenades into a house that they suspect has a meth lab? Sounds to me like they wanted to burn up everyone inside.

You bring up an interesting point. I wonder how they will feel if one day they toss a grenade and the house goes up in a big way, killing the entire team. I can just hear the spin now...

[osan]

Unbelievable.


You have a gift for understatement, dear.

[kcchiefs6465]

I just realized that this thread is over a year old.

Probably explains why the child's burns look familiar.

[Anti Federalist]

Bump

[mrsat_98]

First they came for the Meth Heads, the fact that she wasn't one didn't seem to matter.

[pcosmar]

Collateral Damage
Procedures were followed.

They shouldn't have brought their children to a war zone.

:(

[Anti Federalist]

Collateral Damage
Procedures were followed.

They shouldn't have brought their children to a war zone.

:(

"See what you awful people made us do? O', how we suffer in the daily administration of our patriotic duties!"

[GunnyFreedom]

"The 12-year old girl did it to herself."

[Anti Federalist]

bump for another thread

[heavenlyboy34]

Probably only a matter of time before this happens in my neighborhood. AF, I'm sure you're aware of the heinous shit the Phoenix PD and Sheriff Joe's goons do.

[Anti Federalist]

Bump for another thread, where it is posted that "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about from cops."

[GunnyFreedom]

Bump for another thread, where it is posted that "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about from cops."

Dude's just a troll.

[Anti Federalist]

Dude's just a troll.

Realize that now, troll or cop.

[ghengis86]

Bump for another thread, where it is posted that "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about from cops."

Thanks, I missed this one originally.