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sailingaway
10-06-2012, 02:08 PM
http://mises.org/daily/4276

better-dead-than-fed
10-06-2012, 03:22 PM
scares me more than cops

youngbuck
10-06-2012, 03:23 PM
That's a really good article.

donnay
10-07-2012, 06:43 AM
Excellent article! +rep We are heading to complete and utter medical tyranny! Force vaccinations and implanted RFID tracking chips are not just a fictional story you were required to read in high school.

The clock is ticking and it is time to wake up because while you were sleeping these psychopaths behind the scenes have been planning you and your families demise--of course not before they bankrupt you and your family first!

donnay
10-07-2012, 07:14 AM
Example of Medical tyranny:

Congressional Record August 3, 1953 Shows Unbiased Cancer Research was Suppressed and Remedy Silenced!
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Fitz...port%201953.pdf

"We can cure almost every cancer right now. Information is on file in the Rockefeller Institute, if it's ever decided that it should be released. But consider - if people stop dying of cancer, how rapidly we would become overpopulated. You may as well die of cancer as something else."

- Dr. Richard Day, Medical Director, Planned Parenthood
- March 20, 1969

opal
10-07-2012, 09:20 AM
that link isn't working for me :(

better-dead-than-fed
10-07-2012, 02:58 PM
Look forward to more: "A patient's interest in privacy overrides any interest in disclosure of government activities."

pochy1776
10-07-2012, 03:04 PM
Excellent article! +rep We are heading to complete and utter medical tyranny! Force vaccinations and implanted RFID tracking chips are not just a fictional story you were required to read in high school.

The clock is ticking and it is time to wake up because while you were sleeping these psychopaths behind the scenes have been planning you and your families demise--of course not before they bankrupt you and your family first!

I doubt that they are psychopaths. Also, BIG PHARMA, is the thing that keeps innovation at home and not in europe

better-dead-than-fed
10-07-2012, 04:42 PM
"I doubt they are psychopaths." Misguided fools are just as dangerous as psychopaths.

John F Kennedy III
10-07-2012, 05:08 PM
Example of Medical tyranny:

Congressional Record August 3, 1953 Shows Unbiased Cancer Research was Suppressed and Remedy Silenced!
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Fitz...port%201953.pdf

"We can cure almost every cancer right now. Information is on file in the Rockefeller Institute, if it's ever decided that it should be released. But consider - if people stop dying of cancer, how rapidly we would become overpopulated. You may as well die of cancer as something else."

- Dr. Richard Day, Medical Director, Planned Parenthood
- March 20, 1969

Because dear forum reader, you need to read that again ^

John F Kennedy III
10-07-2012, 05:10 PM
Most cancers and diseases were cured in the 1930s. But it was suppressed.

heavenlyboy34
10-07-2012, 05:20 PM
Most cancers and diseases were cured in the 1930s. But it was suppressed.
Wouldn't big pharma stand to make more money by patenting the cures and releasing them rather than suppressing them? Cui bono?

John F Kennedy III
10-07-2012, 05:25 PM
Wouldn't big pharma stand to make more money by patenting the cures and releasing them rather than suppressing them? Cui bono?

You pay more in a lifetime of getting sick than if you get cured.

DamianTV
10-07-2012, 05:39 PM
Wouldn't big pharma stand to make more money by patenting the cures and releasing them rather than suppressing them? Cui bono?

Doctors make money off of sick people, but Insurance Companies make money off of healthy people.

The problem with big pharma is that they can charge whatever they want for medications that usually cover up the symptoms without really affecting the cause of the problem. Of course, the solution to that is not to force big pharma to only charge so much for medications, but to let the free market decide by introducing competition. Look at it this way, if you had to buy pills for some cancer treatment that made you feel not quite as sick but didnt do shit about the cancer itself, and had to pay $60 bucks per pill (or pass that cost along to the Insurance Company), and had an alternative of simply eating less sugar as a cure (I know it isnt a cure, but this is hypothetical), which one would make the most money for Big Pharma?

http://rense.com/general31/rife.htm

pochy1776
10-07-2012, 07:00 PM
Most cancers and diseases were cured in the 1930s. But it was suppressed.

Citation
Internet link would do but i would love MLA

John F Kennedy III
10-07-2012, 07:54 PM
Citation
Internet link would do but i would love MLA

I have no idea what MLA is. It's been a few years, but I'll look it up later and see what I can find.

well_met_sir
10-07-2012, 08:16 PM
This article would have been much stronger if it focused on how the AMA used monopoly powers to create a shortage of REAL doctors. Talking about homeopathy and other forms of quackery just muddies and undermines the argument.

awake
10-07-2012, 08:49 PM
Free market in medicine: doctors will make house calls again. Can you imagine not begging at the walls of thier state bought castles? I can.

squarepusher
10-07-2012, 09:19 PM
I have no idea what MLA is. It's been a few years, but I'll look it up later and see what I can find.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120709152605/childrensbooks/images/c/cc/Rainbow-Dash-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-20416585-555-375.jpg

pochy1776
10-07-2012, 09:29 PM
I have no idea what MLA is. It's been a few years, but I'll look it up later and see what I can find.

You are awesome, how is mesa AZ

donnay
10-08-2012, 09:04 AM
I doubt that they are psychopaths. Also, BIG PHARMA, is the thing that keeps innovation at home and not in europe

I am afraid you are just not paying attention--those running the show are indeed psychopaths.

http://www.whale.to/b/images/map.jpg


Medical Dictionary

psychopath psy·cho·path (sī'kə-pāth')
n.
A person with an antisocial personality disorder, especially one manifested in perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior.
The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.


Here’s a quote from David Rockefeller’s own book, called Memoirs:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." [3]

3. David Rockefeller. Memoirs. (New York : Random House, c2002), 405
http://www.earthemperor.com/2010/10/10/without-conscience-by-robert-d-hare/#more-914


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Wsb4qBckU


"I became interested in monopolies through the federal reserve system. And I realized that because they now had the power to print money, since 1913, they were printing the money and taking over other areas. So that's why you now have the medical monopoly, the American Medical Association, the medical trust. You have the legal monopoly, which controls the courts of the United States. And when you go into court, you are at their mercy because they can do whatever they wish.....And the education monopoly! And they found "that" was the most important one of all, because, by training the children to accept these other monopolies [and] never question authority........Flexner was John D. Rockefeller's "stool pigeon" in setting up the takeover of the entire medical school industry by Carnegie Foundation, which was a Rockefeller Foundation subsidiary at that time.......When you say "Carnegie Foundation", you're talking about something that has no substance. It's entirely under the domination of the Rockefellers. .................He (Abraham Flexner) did "The Flexner Report", and this changed the medical schools of the United States from homeopathic, naturopathic medicine, to allopathic medicine -- which was a German school of medicine which depended on the heavy use of drugs, radical surgery, and long hospital stays. That's what we've got today, allopathic medicine." --Eustace Mullins. [Interview 2003] by Tom Valentine (http://www.whale.to/b/mullins3.html)

"The field of U.S. cancer care is organized around a medical monopoly that ensures a continuous flow of money to the pharmaceutical companies, medical technology firms, research institutes, and government agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and quasi-public organizations such as the American Cancer Society (ACS)."--John Diamond, M.D., & Lee Cowden, M.D. (http://www.whale.to/p/politics.html)

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." ~ C.S Lewis

More sources:
http://www.cco.net/~trufax/online/chrono/crc.html
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-rothschilds-and-rockefellers-join-forces-in-multi-billion-dollar-deal/
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/big-pharma-runaway-criminality-and-fraud/
http://www.thehiddenevil.com/foundations.asp
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/03/who-put-bill-gates-in-charge-of-the-world/
http://truth11.com/2010/03/10/bill-gates-and-neo-eugenics-vaccines-to-reduce-population-rockefeller-foundation/
http://www.sott.net/article/221636-Doomsday-Seed-Vault-Bill-Gates-Rockefeller-and-the-GMO-giants-know-something-we-dont

jbauer
10-08-2012, 09:36 AM
You pay more in a lifetime of getting sick than if you get cured.

Right, but you live longer and have more oppertunitites for getting premiums, meds, check-up etc and eventually things wear out. All of that is a great profit oppertunity for medicine in america.

donnay
10-08-2012, 09:53 AM
Right, but you live longer and have more oppertunitites for getting premiums, meds, check-up etc and eventually things wear out. All of that is a great profit oppertunity for medicine in america.

You live longer? I would beg to differ. More people are killed by allopathic procedures than car accidents.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_malpractice
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5536730/
http://www.siop.org/Media/News/deaths.aspx
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/02/study-reveals-errors-doctors-prescriptions
https://cricketdiane.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/health-care-reform-united-states-current-medical-malpractice-health-care-errors-pharmaceutical-deaths-from-misdiagnosis-and-mistakes-and-the-current-medical-pharmaceutical-industry-in-the-us-hav/
http://primetimecrime.com/Recent/Investigative/war%20on%20legal%20drugs.htm

Lowkey
10-08-2012, 10:04 AM
Hospitals/Insurance recoup their loses for those who don't pay by raising prices for those who do pay. The alternative is leaving the elderly and homeless to die. If you are okay with the alternative, then vote for it.

donnay
10-08-2012, 10:08 AM
Hospitals/Insurance recoup their loses for those who don't pay by raising prices for those who do pay. The alternative is leaving the elderly and homeless to die. If you are okay with the alternative, then vote for it.

It's all an illusion--making you believe you have a say so in the matter.

HOLLYWOOD
10-08-2012, 10:38 AM
Washington DC/White House/FDA/Commerce proved it's 100% FASCISM in America, when Congress voted AGAINST the Cheap Import Drug Act of 2007. They used the excuse of "SAFETY" from banning any cheaper drugs from Canada/France/Germany/etc or opening the markets to competition. Not only did Big Pharmaceutical hold their monopoly and price fixing by camapign donations for votes from Congress, the Pharmaceutical Industry "DONATED" $350 million to the FDA to ensure "SAFETY" in drugs :rolleyes:... or should I say, to ensure a MONOPOLY of DRUGS for US Big Pharma and any other entity that made donations?

http://www.naturalnews.com/021831_FDA_reform_Big_Pharma.html

Read The Bullshit well prepared FDA statement here: http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/2007/09/t20070926b.html

A list of bribe solicitors aka US Senators that voted against competition:
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)

I am afraid you are just not paying attention--those running the show are indeed psychopaths.

http://www.whale.to/b/images/map.jpg
Medical Dictionary

psychopath psy·cho·path (sī'kə-pāth')
n.
A person with an antisocial personality disorder, especially one manifested in perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior.

Lucille
10-08-2012, 11:07 AM
Related:

Obama Claims Repealing ObamaCare Would Benefit Insurers. In Fact, They Stand to Lose $1 Trillion
http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/08/obama-claims-repealing-obamacare-would-b

It's why I call it Barry's Big Fascist Medical System. ObamaCare (which is a term he evidently likes now) is a misnomer. Big Medical Ins. wrote it, and there's nothing caring about it.

Nirvikalpa
10-08-2012, 11:27 AM
The only article on Mises I actually enjoyed reading (back two years ago).

All you can do is hope some free-thinking individuals get accepted to medical school and pass their boards, and throughout the minimum 7-year-process, don't get caught up into the politics of medicine, and understand the dangers the AMA poses to medicine as a whole.


This article would have been much stronger if it focused on how the AMA used monopoly powers to create a shortage of REAL doctors.

Completely agree.

pochy1776
10-08-2012, 07:38 PM
The only article on Mises I actually enjoyed reading (back two years ago).

All you can do is hope some free-thinking individuals get accepted to medical school and pass their boards, and throughout the minimum 7-year-process, don't get caught up into the politics of medicine, and understand the dangers the AMA poses to medicine as a whole.



Completely agree.

Medical Politics is a Pre Med thing. Some stupid doctors think a medical planning board would be good. Very few libertarian doctors. And yes, The AMA sucks. But so does the WHO. In fact, if you look at any Full accredited ACGME school (about 200), you will see that what splits Yale from UCONN or Loma Linda to UCSF is Grant funding from the NIH.

seraphson
10-08-2012, 09:04 PM
Hospitals/Insurance recoup their loses for those who don't pay by raising prices for those who do pay. The alternative is leaving the elderly and homeless to die. If you are okay with the alternative, then vote for it.

Unfortunately your response falls under both the black-or-white and loaded question fallacies (yes, I have my handy dandy fallacy chart at hand!)
Let's dig just a tad deeper (no, really, just a tad as I'm a bit lazy for walls of text).

Your claims at face value are pretty much true. Why?
Why do we have a system where we must choose between A. paying more for medical care or B. have old or unfortunate people die?
Well, for one, there's more than A and B to choose from. As the article sufficiently details the system itself that morphed into this mutant quasi-union-political-facsist thing is what the problem is. So let's attack the disease as opposed to the fallacious, heavily doctored up and laced with smoke and mirrors ideology that we must choose between letting people die and paying more for healthcare.

Again, the disease is the system. We need to stop regulating and restricting ever aspect of our lives by using guns and badges (gubamint) and perhaps let people decide weather or not they'll let a hypothetical "doctor" who failed to get his license but passes a hypothetical "certification" put 20 stitches in you for a whole lot cheaper than a full fledged doctor (this being one tiny example). Also, we need to stop treating healthcare as if it has a zero cost because prices will inevitable rise (now we're talkin' super basic 18th century Adam Smithian, not this pretend rocket science economics Keynesians try to pull off). Again the article sufficiently states it's this very reason, that we simply couldn't cover the costs of such policies that we're approaching $16 Trillion for Social Security and $84 Trillion for Medicare unfunded liabilities.

Who's enjoying the American Nightmare? The Dream phased out summarily in 1913.

heavenlyboy34
10-08-2012, 09:58 PM
I have no idea what MLA is. It's been a few years, but I'll look it up later and see what I can find.
Modern Language Association. http://www.mla.org/about Their style is the commonest required when a prof requires a paper be in a specific style. ALA (American Language Association) is a rather common standard too.

pochy1776
10-09-2012, 06:01 PM
Modern Language Association. http://www.mla.org/about Their style is the commonest required when a prof requires a paper be in a specific style. ALA (American Language Association) is a rather common standard too.
I SUCK.

farreri
10-09-2012, 06:13 PM
It's obvious that government control of medicine has always been backed by the allopaths. If allopathic/Western medicine was so great, they wouldn't need the government to restrict competition from alternative medicine. People would naturally choose allopathic medicine. The reason they need government to restrict the competition is because, by and large, allopathic medicine sucks.