Writing in RON PAUL in Florida

[randpaul2016]

Can anyone here elaborate on writing in Ron Paul in Florida? Don't just say 'vote wont count' please explain if I do write him in...will their even my a blank to write in?


thanks

[sailingaway]

My understanding is there is a blank and while they don't have to count it to his name, some counties will anyhow. Others will just count it as the undervote, which I see as a none of the above rejection of those on the ballot. But there is no duty to tally it by his name, as I understand it. This is from looking at what was done in 2008, etc. Their official write in date past for filing, this summer, so Ron would not be an official write in candidate.

[randpaul2016]

My understanding is there is a blank and while they don't have to count it to his name, some counties will anyhow. Others will just count it as the undervote, which I see as a none of the above rejection of those on the ballot. But there is no duty to tally it by his name, as I understand it. This is from looking at what was done in 2008, etc. Their official write in date past for filing, this summer, so Ron would not be an official write in candidate.

whats that mean he wont be an official write in candidate?

and last time I voted for my district they told me to let them know if I dont vote for every option because it would be 'undervote'. Not lying but I gues when they ran it through the machine I was okay.

[sailingaway]

whats that mean he wont be an official write in candidate?

and last time I voted for my district they told me to let them know if I dont vote for every option because it would be 'undervote'. Not lying but I gues when they ran it through the machine I was okay.

I mean if after the election you go to their web page they MAY post votes for Ron Paul by his name, but only if that county feels like it. some did in 2008. They didn't HAVE to because he had not filed a write in form which had to be filed to make them HAVE to count his votes. The same situation exists this time. If they do NOT count his votes by his name in your county, it will be in the 'undervote' category and will be part of that number. But that number is made up of those who refuse to vote for any of the names on the ballot, so it still, to me, represents a 'none of the above' vote.

[LatinsforPaul]

I have no problem with those who choose to write in Ron Paul's name especially in the non-swing states...

But in the swing states, e.g. Florida, I strongly suggest he or she vote for Gary Johnson. This way the GOP knows exactly how many votes they lost in the swing states which in turn gave the presidency to Obama.


Payback is a b*tch. :D

[Feelgood]

There is no such thing as a write in vote in Florida. I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

[sailingaway]

I have no problem with those who choose to write in Ron Paul's name especially in the non-swing states...

But in the swing states, e.g. Florida, I strongly suggest he or she vote for Gary Johnson. This way the GOP knows exactly how many votes they lost in the swing states which in turn gave the presidency to Obama.


Payback is a b*tch. :D

To me voting for Gary Johnson doesn't show the payback is coming from RON PAUL, and the undervote, that that many refused to vote for any of the candidates shows 'none of the above' which is closer to saying Ron Paul than is 'Gary Johnson', in my own opinion. If he loses by less than the amount of those who didn't vote for named candidates, to me that shows payback better. People have different opinions, but I don't see how voting for a different person than the one you support says you support who you do, instead of the person you vote for.

[sailingaway]

There is no such thing as a write in vote in Florida. I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

as I said, some counties counted write ins for Ron Paul, in 2008, and others counted the 'undervote' as a block category showing voters didn't vote for named candidates. It is absolutely FALSE about there being no such thing as a write in vote in Florida, however, the deadline ran for filing to be an official write in candidate, this summer. YOu can write in. How that will be dealt with will vary, as I outlined above.

[LatinsforPaul]

To me voting for Gary Johnson doesn't show the payback is coming from RON PAUL, and the undervote, that that many refused to vote for any of the candidates shows 'none of the above' which is closer to saying Ron Paul than is 'Gary Johnson', in my own opinion. If he loses by less than the amount of those who didn't vote for named candidates, to me that shows payback better. People have different opinions, but I don't see how voting for a different person than the one you support says you support who you do, instead of the person you vote for.

I respect your opinion, but I wonder how many of those who will not vote for Gary Johnson would change their mind if they knew Ron Paul voted for Gary Johnson for President in his state of Texas without officially "endorsing" him? Would your vote change?

[sailingaway]

Not in the slightest. Ron Paul doesn't value himself and his uniqueness nearly as much as his supporters do. That in itself is one of the unique and commendable things about him.

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edit, my vote just belongs to Ron Paul this time. I am eager to cast it.

[LatinsforPaul]

Not in the slightest. Ron Paul doesn't value himself and his uniqueness nearly as much as his supporters do. That in itself is one of the unique and commendable things about him.

You are correct and I agree 100%.

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edit, my vote just belongs to Ron Paul this time. I am eager to cast it.

Understandable ;)

[RonPaulMall]

To me voting for Gary Johnson doesn't show the payback is coming from RON PAUL, and the undervote, that that many refused to vote for any of the candidates shows 'none of the above' which is closer to saying Ron Paul than is 'Gary Johnson', in my own opinion. If he loses by less than the amount of those who didn't vote for named candidates, to me that shows payback better. People have different opinions, but I don't see how voting for a different person than the one you support says you support who you do, instead of the person you vote for.

"None of the above" sends message you reject both candidates. But it doesn't give any indication as to why. Could be you are sick of the bickering and want candidates who reach beyond the partisan divide to "get things done". Could be you have some pet issue like vaccination or something that both candidates fail on. "None of the above" doesn't hurt the establishment Republicans as much because there is no way of knowing if your vote was a rejection of them for not being pro-liberty enough or a rejection of the Dems for not being pro-statist enough. Gary Johnsnon was a former Republican. A two term Governor who compiled a record far more conservative and far more pro-liberty than Romney did in his single term. There is no ambiguity with a vote for Johnson. The ideological reason for your rejection of the two "major" party candidates is obvious. Johnson votes will be counted on election night and those votes will be immediately attributed to the "Ron Paul" folks.

[sailingaway]

"None of the above" sends message you reject both candidates. But it doesn't give any indication as to why. Could be you are sick of the bickering and want candidates who reach beyond the partisan divide to "get things done". Could be you have some pet issue like vaccination or something that both candidates fail on. "None of the above" doesn't hurt the establishment Republicans as much because there is no way of knowing if your vote was a rejection of them for not being pro-liberty enough or a rejection of the Dems for not being pro-statist enough. Gary Johnsnon was a former Republican. A two term Governor who compiled a record far more conservative and far more pro-liberty than Romney did in his single term. There is no ambiguity with a vote for Johnson. The ideological reason for your rejection of the two "major" party candidates is obvious. Johnson votes will be counted on election night and those votes will be immediately attributed to the "Ron Paul" folks.

that seems like incredibly disingenuous spin to me, that Johnson votes seem more like Ron Paul votes than NONE of the above votes.

[RonPaulMall]

that seems like incredibly disingenuous spin to me, that Johnson votes seem more like Ron Paul votes than NONE of the above votes.

I have nothing to spin. I'm just being realistic. Neither the American Public nor the American Media are as sophisticated as you seem to hope they are. On election night, the media will count up the votes- Obama this many, Romney this many, Johnson this many. Johnson was a two term Republican Governor. Votes for him will be interpreted as Conservative/Libertarian/Republican voters that rejected Romney because he was too far to the left. Just like votes for Stein will be interpreted as Socialist/Green/Democrat voters that rejected Obama because he wasn't leftist enough. What does an undervote represent. An elderly Jew that was confused by the ballot? A glitchy voting machine? Incompetent election officials? A Ron Paul supporter? A Lyndon LaRouche die hard? See where I am going with this?

[sailingaway]

I don't think they are sophisticated. None of the above means Johnson isn't good enough either, which is how I feel. If the number is large WE can spread the message and interpret it for the American public. If it isn't, it isn't going to get play, anyhow. Johnson votes say someone voted for Johnson, who is not a candidate I want. See where I am going with this?

For me, the second best message to saying "Ron Paul" isn't 'Gary Johnson', it is NONE of these people are worth voting for. Dissatisfaction and illegitimacy.

[opal]

I live in florida. I got my absentee ballot yesterday. There IS a write in blank. I will be writing in Ron Paul.

The state rules say:

Write-in Candidates
Write-in candidates may have a blank space provided on the general election ballot for their names to be written in if:
(1) the candidate files an Oath of Candidate (Form DS-DE 85) with the Division of Elections between 8 a.m., June 19, 2012 and Noon, June 26, 2012. Form DS-DE 85 may be downloaded from the Division of Elections website at:
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/forms/pdf/DSDE85.pdf
(2) not later than September 1, 2012, the candidate submits a list containing the names and addresses of 29 persons to serve as electors to the Department of State.
(Section 103.022, Florida Statutes)

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/publications/publications.shtml

I'm not sure if that's an either or both condition up there though.

There is currently litigation going on to guarantee write in access in all 50 states for presidential elections - long shot but it's there.

ETA.. any time I'm in a Ron Paul write in thread.. the moment I get to the words Gary Johnson in a post.. SKIP! to the next post.

In the event someone's questioning me in a post.. I'm not ignoring the question.. I'm just not reading them

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

that seems like incredibly disingenuous spin to me, that Johnson votes seem more like Ron Paul votes than NONE of the above votes.

I think he is right in the sense that the LP platform is closely related to Ron Paul's positions and since those are required to be counted, it is easier to tell what they are. If republicans want to win elections, it is an obvious indicator of which direction they will go in. So, I'll agree with that, but will now sum up my own position.


"Who did you vote for in 2012 Daddy?" "Ron Paul."

"Who did you vote for before things really went to hell, Daddy?" "Ron Paul"

[James_Madison_Lives]

I respect your opinion, but I wonder how many of those who will not vote for Gary Johnson would change their mind if they knew Ron Paul voted for Gary Johnson for President in his state of Texas without officially "endorsing" him? Would your vote change?

Ron Paul's supporters are capable of thinking for themselves and now we know that Gary Johnson is a panderer and a Neocon.

"Johnson Says Troops Over There Are "Keeping us safe." "
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389071-Johnson-Says-Troops-Over-There-Are-quot-Keeping-us-safe.-quot&p=4632517#post4632517

[randpaul2016]

I mean if after the election you go to their web page they MAY post votes for Ron Paul by his name, but only if that county feels like it. some did in 2008. They didn't HAVE to because he had not filed a write in form which had to be filed to make them HAVE to count his votes. The same situation exists this time. If they do NOT count his votes by his name in your county, it will be in the 'undervote' category and will be part of that number. But that number is made up of those who refuse to vote for any of the names on the ballot, so it still, to me, represents a 'none of the above' vote.

so say they dont count it as a RON PAUL vote and is undervoted. In the overall polls, will it be considered "other" or what?

[sailingaway]

so say they dont count it as a RON PAUL vote and is undervoted. In the overall polls, will it be considered "other" or what?

different places report it differently and you will likely have to look it up on their web page. In California that category was listed as 'other'. Some places literally call it 'undervote'.

[randpaul2016]

different places report it differently and you will likely have to look it up on their web page. In California that category was listed as 'other'. Some places literally call it 'undervote'.

So there is a possibilty it wont be counted at all...?

[sailingaway]

So there is a possibilty it wont be counted at all...?

I don't think so unless they just break the rules, but I don't know what they call it is all. Look at the article I posted about 2000.