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Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 02:57 PM
Throw them, where?

Once again, Eric Peters has saved me the trouble of typing pretty much exactly how I think about this.

Well done.



Heroes … Not

September 29, 2012
By eric

http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/09/29/heroes-not/

Cops are the enemy.

A harsh – and global – statement, certainly.

But: Is it true?

Consider the nature of the job. It is to enforce the law. By definition. It is not to protect any specific individual – you or me – from harm. It is certainly not to serve – other than as automata who . . . enforce the law. Whatever the law is, it must be enforced. The cop will tell you so himself. He is merely doing his job – and his job is . . . to enforce the law. Period. “The law is the law.” We have all heard it. It does not matter whether the law is itself outrageous, or simply stupid. He may even freely confess it.

But he will nonetheless enforce it. He is required to enforce it.

Consider that for a moment.

In a doctrinal way, the cop is exactly like the people who were – rightly – strung up at Nuremburg after WWII, who stated – truthfully – that they were just following the orders issued by the lawfully constituted authority. They were not merely thugs. They were duly appointed thugs. They did not do the awful things they did at random, on their own nickle – so to speak. They were told to do it – agreed to do it – and went ahead and did it. Any questions they may personally have had about the rightness or wrongness of what they were doing were put aside.

Orders are orders.

And it is no great leap to go from abusing your fellow man in a small way to doing it in a big way. The principle of the thing is what matters. And the principle is now very well-established indeed.

The rest is merely follow-up. A cop who will pull a gun on you for refusing to wear a seatbelt will do much worse when the time comes. When he is ordered to.

When the law demands it.

So, what sort of man volunteers for such work? Who chooses to enforce the law – whatever the law happens to be?

The answer is – must be – a thug. A person who is both unthinking – and brutal. But worse than merely a thug. Because a mere thug beats you up because he wants your money – or just for the pure sick joy of it. But what sort of person does the same things because he’s told to do them? Who does them, even when he personally may not want to? When he has doubts about the rightness of the thing? But who is nonetheless willing to literally kill a fellow human being over it – if the law tells him he must?

Place yourself for a moment in a cop’s shoes – as distasteful an exercise as that may be.

You are told to man a “safety” checkpoint at which it will be your job to threaten everyone who happens to be on that particular road with lethal violence if they do not stop their vehicle, produce identification and submit to an interrogation as to their comings and goings. These innocent people – who have given you no reason to suspect them of having done anything wrong – must submit to your orders, must obey your commands. If they passively decline to do so – if they merely assert their ancient right as human beings to be left in peace – you will apply force. You will bash open their window if they decline to roll it down. You will drag them through the window if they refuse to comply with your orders to exit the vehicle. If they in any way attempt to fend off your brutal, unprovoked assault – you may kill them.

You are told to break up a “protest” – even though the “protestors” are entirely peaceful and merely exercising their right to air a grievance. Yet you join the thug scrum, with billy clubs and truncheons.

You are ordered to kick in the door of a private residence and drag the occupant out of his bed at gunpoint – because this person is alleged to be in possession of a substance the state has arbitrarily declared to be “illegal.”

You will shoot him to death if he “resists.”

You spend several hours each day manning a radar gun, issuing your fellow human beings stiff fines you know many of them cannot afford, which will place a great burden on their ability to pay the rent or put food on the table for their families, for conduct you yourself do routinely (e.g., “speed”) and which you know perfectly well to be harmless. But if they object, you will pile on.

What sort of person signs up for such work?

The foregoing is merely a small sampling of countless scores of similar examples we’re all well-familiar with. A cop’s work is to arrest and cage people who do not obey the law. Nothing less. And their human rights be damned. If they object, if they resist, the cop has license under the law to assault them.

To kill them.

It is a fair summary – as awful as it may be to deal with it, emotionally – even intellectually.

It is simply not possible for a morally decent person to choose this line of work – or at least, to continue in this line of work, having come to grips with the nature of the work. Because it is a line of work that requires the surrender of one’s humanity. Of the thing that makes a human being other than an animal. That is, your ability to choose to do the right thing – and to do it.

To become a cop is to give that up. To become an enforcer. To do as you are told. To become a sadist, if need be.

If the law so commands it.

Just as the law commanded in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. As it is commanding here.

A guy might be a friendly neighbor – and seem like a good person. And in a way, he might be a good person – to his family, those he knows personally. But when he puts on that costume, he will threaten harmless, innocent fellow human beings with lethal violence, cage them, rob them of their dignity, violate their rights as human beings – if the law so commands it.

This person, this cop, will demand immediate submission to a literally endless litany of tyrannical edicts – or else. Exactly like a a member of the GRU, or the NKVD.

And such people are lauded by this society as heroes for this! (Just as they were lauded as heroes – literally – of the old Soviet Union.)

For abusing middle-aged women half their size. Old men. Shooting people’s dogs in the name of “officer safety.”

Would it not be heroic to refuse to do such things?

To decline to enforce the law when the law is at odds with natural law? Even if it meant the loss of one’s paycheck? Even if it meant becoming yourself the target of law enforcement – for having declined to enforce the law?

Of course, few cops are willing to step up in this manner. To be real heroes - by taking a stand for right, and with their fellow human beings as opposed to being the strutting – but simpering – tools of a malevolent system they are too afraid to question.

Much less take a meaningful stand against.

A system that rewards them for brutalizing others.

Do cops do some good (honest, morally clean) work? Certainly. But it is increasingly incidental. It does not negate the everyday abuses they routinely commit. If an abusive husband who beats his wife daily one day rescues her from a burning car, does that make him any less a cretin?

I, like many others, instinctively want to support police. Rather, I want to support those who try to keep the peace. The police were at one time at least nominally in the peace-keeping business. To a great (or at least much greater extent than today) they left people who were not actual criminals (thieves, those who committed physical assaults, murderers, etc.) alone. There were, of course, petty infractions one had to mind – but generally, the average person could live his life with little, if any, significant worry about the law – or its enforcers. It took quite a bit to justify a cop unholstering (much less using) his weapon. People did not get threatened with lethal violence for politely declining an order to “buckle up for safety” – because such an order would have been inconceivable in the America of the not-so-distant past. Anyone much over 40 will remember this rapidly receding world. Cops had some sense of proportion – and would have felt ashamed to do the things they are now called upon to do routinely.

And which they do all-too-willingly.

Imagine: A Fourth (and Fifth) Amendment that was respected by the cops – and if not by them, then by the courts, certainly. Cops used to have to have a reason – not a hunch, but a specific cause – to stop you, much less force you to submit to a search. If they could not produce a substantive reason, then they had to leave you alone – and if they did not live you alone, then whatever they did to you would have consequences. For them.

Now, it is the reverse.

The courts have conferred upon cops essentially limitless and unaccountable authority – which means, open season on us. They are empowered to do literally anything, for any (or no) reason at all, beyond their desire to do so. Beyond, it is the law. The cop is merely doing his job.

And if we have nothing to hide, why worry?

AGRP
10-04-2012, 03:06 PM
Good writer. The same people who were strung up at Nuremberg, who caged and hosed people because of the color of their skin, are today caging people over a plant; writing tickets over no seat belt and helmet use, etc..

Philhelm
10-04-2012, 03:37 PM
Spot on. I try to tell people that all laws require the use of, or more often, the threat of force in order to gain compliance. Ultimately, the police will kill a man for not wearing a seatbelt if he does not comply with subsequent demands. I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp.

Danke
10-04-2012, 03:44 PM
I know a couple of cops. Nice guys, I believe things might have changed during their careers and they just want to make it a couple of more years to get to retirement. They don't see themselves as putting people in cages, that is left to the courts to decide in their eyes.

DamianTV
10-04-2012, 05:08 PM
Real Heroes dont expect paychecks for putting their asses on the line.

muzzled dogg
10-04-2012, 05:10 PM
wow thanks

AGRP
10-04-2012, 05:16 PM
Real Heroes dont expect paychecks for putting their asses on the line.

No such thing. Heroes get fined:

http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/03/volunteer-tree-trimmer-fined-2

Cant be propagating the belief that people do these things out of the goodness of their hearts.

Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 09:38 PM
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Expatriate
10-04-2012, 09:54 PM
Spot on. I try to tell people that all laws require the use of, or more often, the threat of force in order to gain compliance. Ultimately, the police will kill a man for not wearing a seatbelt if he does not comply with subsequent demands. I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp.

I tried to make that point about taxes to someone I know, she claimed that taxes were not armed robbery because "they won't shoot you for not paying your taxes"

Well, if you don't pay your taxes, they will show up to collect them or "arrest" you; if you defend yourself from this, you WILL be shot.

"But they're not shooting you for not paying your taxes, they're shooting you for resisting arrest"

/facepalm

Anti-Neocon
10-04-2012, 09:57 PM
I strongly disagree with this. Cops provide a valuable service and put their lives on the line routinely. Just because some of them are bad doesn't mean that they're the problem. Many are actually against the War on Drugs and other bad laws.

paulbot24
10-04-2012, 10:02 PM
/facepalm

I had to stop watching the news on television because I facepalmed so much while watching I was afraid it would stick that way.

Mr. Perfidy
10-04-2012, 10:06 PM
I often make these same arguments in conversation; haha you should see the looks I get! I swear that some people must already inform on my speech

Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 10:18 PM
I strongly disagree with this. Cops provide a valuable service and put their lives on the line routinely. Just because some of them are bad doesn't mean that they're the problem. Many are actually against the War on Drugs and other bad laws.

Sell it to the family of Noel Polanca.

Or Oscar Grant.

or Patricia Cook.

Or Nick Christie.

Or DeSean Woods.

Or Kelly Thomas.

Or...

aGameOfThrones
10-04-2012, 10:21 PM
I strongly disagree with this. Cops provide a valuable service and put their lives on the line routinely. Just because some of them are bad doesn't mean that they're the problem. Many are actually against the War on Drugs and other bad laws.

There's only enough room on this thread for one Anti-something, get out!

Origanalist
10-04-2012, 10:22 PM
I strongly disagree with this. Cops provide a valuable service and put their lives on the line routinely. Just because some of them are bad doesn't mean that they're the problem. Many are actually against the War on Drugs and other bad laws.

And yet, they take a job with the express purpose of enforcing those laws. Doesn't make any sense to me........

Mr. Perfidy
10-04-2012, 10:22 PM
I've seen a lot of noble acts of valor in the street, where people stand between innocent people and harm at their own expense.

Typically these admirable men and women then had to flee the scene before the police arrived to punish their assertion of justice.

Origanalist
10-04-2012, 10:24 PM
There's only enough room on this thread for one Anti-something, get out!

Easy there big fella, we're all works in progress.

Anti-Neocon
10-04-2012, 10:28 PM
And yet, they take a job with the express purpose of enforcing those laws. Doesn't make any sense to me........
The fact remains that someone has to do the job of protecting the public from dangerous criminals, so just because these brave individuals have some not-so-honorable duties doesn't mean that they're not a necessary part of society. Blame the lawmakers, not the cops, except for when the cops exert force unnecessarily.

I'm anti-police abuse, anti-police state, and anti-unnecessary laws. I think being anti-police is just taking things too far and putting much of the blame on the wrong people. Do we blame our soldiers for all the deaths of the Iraqi and Afghan people? Just something to think about.

Mr. Perfidy
10-04-2012, 10:31 PM
if there were no enforcers there would be freedom though. really all of the blame is only on them- without their brutality the ruling class is just a delusional megalomaniac mouthy nerd kid.

Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 10:31 PM
The fact remains that someone has to do the job of protecting the public from dangerous criminals, so just because these brave individuals have some not-so-honorable duties doesn't mean that they're not a necessary part of society. Blame the lawmakers, not the cops, except for when the cops exert force unnecessarily.

I'm anti-police abuse, anti-police state, and anti-unnecessary laws. I think being anti-police is just taking things too far and putting much of the blame on the wrong people.

No "law maker" passed the circular force continuum.

No law, no public debate, no statute, no plebiscite.

They just did it.

Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 10:33 PM
The fact remains that someone has to do the job of protecting the public from dangerous criminals.

Yes.

US

Duly elected and accountable sheriff's and citizen deputies.

Origanalist
10-04-2012, 10:33 PM
The fact remains that someone has to do the job of protecting the public from dangerous criminals, so just because these brave individuals have some not-so-honorable duties doesn't mean that they're not a necessary part of society. Blame the lawmakers, not the cops, except for when the cops exert force unnecessarily.

I believe many of them join believing they are "protecting the public from dangerous criminals". But it shouldn't take any thinking person more than a year at the most to see clearly they aren't protecting anybody but have themselves become the menace.

I fear government enforcers much more that anybody else.

aGameOfThrones
10-04-2012, 10:34 PM
Yes.

US

Duly elected and accountable sheriff's and citizen deputies.

outmoded

Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 10:34 PM
I believe many of them join believing they are "protecting the public from dangerous criminals". But it shouldn't take any thinking person more than a year at the most to see clearly they aren't protecting anybody but have themselves become the menace.

I fear government enforcers much more that anybody else.

As well you should.

You are eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than a "terrorist".

Origanalist
10-04-2012, 10:35 PM
outmoded

Why?

Anti Federalist
10-04-2012, 10:35 PM
outmoded

Just like freedom, liberty and the Bill of Rights.

Yup, well aware of that.

Thanks for reminding me, comrade.

paulbot24
10-04-2012, 10:36 PM
Easy there big fella, we're all works in progress.

Speak for yourself. I don't work. I've temporarily stopped even looking for work, I just sit on my ass all day and read these forums. However, I don't collect unemployment checks so I have a dilemma. Sitting around unemployed.....but not sponging off the government. This means I still don't know whether to vote for Obama or not. /sarc off

Origanalist
10-04-2012, 10:37 PM
Speak for yourself. I don't work. I've temporarily stopped even looking for work, I just sit on my ass all day and read these forums. However, I don't collect unemployment checks so I have a dilemma. Sitting around unemployed.....but not sponging off the government. This means I still don't know whether to vote for Obama or not. /sarc off

:p

aGameOfThrones
10-04-2012, 10:38 PM
Why?

We need police to not worry on accountability while they are doing their dangerous job, it makes no sense.

Origanalist
10-04-2012, 10:40 PM
We need police to not worry on accountability while they are doing their dangerous job, it makes no sense.

Ohhhh yeah.....I fugoten all 'bout you........:eek:

paulbot24
10-04-2012, 10:41 PM
We need police to _____________________________________________ It makes no sense.

Corrected that for ya.

DamianTV
10-05-2012, 12:33 AM
I strongly disagree with this. Cops provide a valuable service and put their lives on the line routinely. Just because some of them are bad doesn't mean that they're the problem. Many are actually against the War on Drugs and other bad laws.

Fast Food Clerks provide valuable services for the profits of the owners of their franchises as well. Some of them spit in peoples food. I'll agree that not all of them are bad, and some oppose the war on drugs, so going after them isnt going to address the root of the problem. They need to be held accountable for their actions when their actions are unjustified, but we need to go after the ones that tell the beat cops to give out X number of speeding tickets in a day, then reward and praise the ones that shoot dogs and tazer old ladies.

Our military is a bit of a different story. If we were truly justified in the attacks on other countries, and they were defending us, they would be heroes. And for the record, I am ex military and will stick with my statement.