>>>***Official***<<< Presidential Debate Thread

[VoluntaryAmerican]

T MINUS 2:30 hours to kickoff.

[Origanalist]

I'm trying to think of a good movie I can watch......

[Lucille]

I don't think I'll be watching. I don't want to encourage them.

[sailingaway]

Ron is going to be on a preshow on CBS, THAT I'll watch. Or maybe it is commentary during the debate? Whatever it is, I'll watch Ron.

Getting ready for my appearance tonight on the #CNBC2012 debate special starting at 8pET on @CNBC
http://paul.house.gov/

[Lucille]

I turned on CNBC to see Ron (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391690-will-ron-paul-be-on-the-debate-special-on-cnbc). Did you guys know, according to Romney adviser Kevin Madden, that there's only going to be two presidential candidates on the ballot in Nov.?

[chudrockz]

I'm trying to think of a good movie I can watch......

I was considering "The Patriot."

[GunnyFreedom]

Gary Johnson is doing a running commentary on the debate.

Here is the Google Plus event page:

https://plus.google.com/events/c6lgvqkp818a2nn9r6fqq3gt7v8

And here is the YouTube stream where the commentary will be broadcast live:

http://www.youtube.com/user/govgaryjohnson/featured?v=cvI2ew9Fcuw

[pcosmar]

Debate?

http://www.dashe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/theatre-faces.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

I think Honey Boo Boo is on...

[James Madison]

I think Honey Boo Boo is on...

Who the hell is honey boo boo?

[chudrockz]

Who the hell is honey boo boo?

I don't have any idea, either.

[Ronulus]

Who the hell is honey boo boo?

At this rate, our next president.

[Lucille]

I think Honey Boo Boo is on...


Who the hell is honey boo boo?


I don't have any idea, either.

LOL... (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391496-You-Do-Of-Course-Realize-That-This-Is-Going-To-End-Very-Very-Badly)

[Anti Federalist]

At this rate, our next president.

Well done sir, well done indeed...

http://cdn.chud.com/9/95/959b65b0_15fc7_ORIG-the_rock_clap_clap_gif.gif

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Not gonna, lie, I have been waiting all week to see Obama get slaughtered in the debate. Not that I like Romney, but I am sick and tired of Obama at this point.

[Anti Federalist]

Not gonna, lie, I have been waiting all week to see Obama get slaughtered in the debate. Not that I like Romney, but I am sick and tired of Obama at this point.

LOL - I wouldn't hold your breath for that.

[sailingaway]

Ron is going to be on a preshow on CBS, THAT I'll watch. Or maybe it is commentary during the debate? Whatever it is, I'll watch Ron.

https://twitter.com/RepRonPaul/status/253618910002298881#

[chudrockz]

Not gonna, lie, I have been waiting all week to see Obama get slaughtered in the debate. Not that I like Romney, but I am sick and tired of Obama at this point.

You really believe that is what will happen?!

[Lucille]

Ron is going to be on a preshow on CBS, THAT I'll watch. Or maybe it is commentary during the debate? Whatever it is, I'll watch Ron.

Getting ready for my appearance tonight on the #CNBC2012 debate special starting at 8pET on @CNBC
http://paul.house.gov/


Ron is going to be on a preshow on CBS, THAT I'll watch. Or maybe it is commentary during the debate? Whatever it is, I'll watch Ron.

https://twitter.com/RepRonPaul/status/253618910002298881#

You do mean CNBC, right?

[messana]

Not gonna, lie, I have been waiting all week to see Obama get slaughtered in the debate. Not that I like Romney, but I am sick and tired of Obama at this point.

I'd rather Obama will do the 'slaughtering'. Seeing what they did to Paul, having Romney to be the least popular candidate is what the Republican party deserves.

[Sola_Fide]

Not gonna, lie, I have been waiting all week to see Obama get slaughtered in the debate. Not that I like Romney, but I am sick and tired of Obama at this point.

Call me crazy, but I'm actually cheering Obama on.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

You really believe that is what will happen?!

Obama is not good at debating. Written speeches, yes, but otherwise he sucks.

[chudrockz]

Obama is not good at debating. Written speeches, yes, but otherwise he sucks.

And Romney is better at it? LOL

Honestly, they're both clowns... or clones... and I care not a bit about the "debate." But I do hope that, as long as one of them MUST win, it's Obama with Romney winning zero states.

[mello]

Ron is going to be on a preshow on CBS, THAT I'll watch. Or maybe it is commentary during the debate? Whatever it is, I'll watch Ron.

https://twitter.com/RepRonPaul/status/253618910002298881#

Is CBS going to give Ron another 89 seconds to talk?

[GeorgiaAvenger]

And Romney is better at it? LOL

Honestly, they're both clowns... or clones... and I care not a bit about the "debate." But I do hope that, as long as one of them MUST win, it's Obama with Romney winning zero states.

Yeah, he actually destroyed Newt in one debate. And Newt never beat him.

I have animosity towards Romney, but not nearly as much as I do against Obama for what he has done to this country. I know I am in the minority.

[pcosmar]

They need a mud pit,, and let them wrestle..

I would watch that.
:D

[torchbearer]

:toady: Toady is the debate.
Is Toady the primary? Yes or no?

[pcosmar]

Yeah, he actually destroyed Newt in one debate. And Newt never beat him.

I have animosity towards Romney, but not nearly as much as I do against Obama for what he has done to this country. I know I am in the minority.

After Bush there wasn't much left to destroy.

I don't care for ,,or have any hope in either of them.
we will be stuck with one,, it just don't matter which.

[chudrockz]

Yeah, he actually destroyed Newt in one debate. And Newt never beat him.

I have animosity towards Romney, but not nearly as much as I do against Obama for what he has done to this country. I know I am in the minority.

I guess you must believe somehow that Romney plans on doing something DIFFERENT from Obama to the country?

[torchbearer]

They need a mud pit,, and let them wrestle..

I would watch that.
:D

i could see those two slapping like lil' girls.
http://1.media.sportspickle.cvcdn.com/90/22/381e5acec596e34b7a7b54444707cd86.jpg

[torchbearer]

Gary Johnson will have his responses to the debate questions streamed here: http://www.youtube.com/user/govgaryjohnson/featured?v=cvI2ew9Fcuw
an alternative to the mainstream debate.

[ClydeCoulter]

Bam! Ron Paul sets the stage for the debate on CNBC :D Not much difference between the parties philosophically. Not expecting much in the way of differences in foreign policy, the Fed or spending.

[Lucille]

Bam! Ron Paul sets the stage for the debate on CNBC :D Not much difference between the parties philosophically. Not expecting much in the way of differences in foreign policy, the Fed or spending.

LOL... He was great.

[mac_hine]

Tonight's debate in a nutshell........

Bankster/MIC/AIPAC shill A vs bankster/MIC/AIPAC shill B trying hard to convince the idiots watching them that there is some difference between them... That they're both not corporatist, inflationist, warmongering, Zionist lackeys for the elite douchebags actually pulling the strings.

Give me a break....

Fuck this shit. I'd rather watch What about Bob for the tenth time

[ClydeCoulter]

Tonight's debate in a nutshell........

Bankster/MIC/AIPAC shill A vs bankster/MIC/AIPAC B trying hard to convince the idiots watching them that there is some difference between them.

Fuck this shit. I'd rather watch What about Bob for the tenth time.

I turned it off after Ron Paul. I'll check the forum later for a run down on the rhetoric from the debate, here.

[Anti Federalist]

Tonight's debate in a nutshell........

Bankster/MIC/AIPAC shill A vs bankster/MIC/AIPAC B trying hard to convince the idiots watching them that there is some difference between them.

Fuck this shit. I'd rather watch What about Bob for the tenth time.

Now you know why they both are in favor of drone strikes.

Death Therapy.

[Lucille]

wrong thread

[kathy88]

I can't watch. I'll puke.

[ClydeCoulter]

I can't watch. I'll puke.

My wife is going to watch it in the bedroom. I might be able to handle going back there from time to time (between AOEIII skirmishes) :)

[GunnyFreedom]

Alternate Gary Johnson commentary link, if the 1st link is having issues, it will also be here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/govgaryjohnson?v=tVHGJYy4NTg

[extrmmxer]

I can't watch. I'll puke. ..

[opal]

*waits for the tube of Ron*

[bill1971]

Come on guys there are tons of differences between the two candidates. For starters.......hmmmm...and then there is...well Obama is half black.

[ClydeCoulter]

Ben Swann debate live chat http://www.fox19.com/category/208878/reality-check-with-fox19s-ben-swann-from-wxix-cincinnati

[bunklocoempire]

DRINK!

[QWDC]

Seems a bit long for 2 minutes. Still a lot of nothin

[cajuncocoa]

Your Guide to Presidential debate drinking games (http://www.upi.com/blog/2012/10/03/Your-guide-to-presidential-debate-drinking-games/9511349285779/)

[MozoVote]

Two minutes in and already wanna barf. Obama with has platitudes and Romney with the exact same expression as he had during the primary debates

[KramerDSP]

I thought they had 2 minutes each.... Obama took 5 and Romney is headed to 5....

[green73]

Watching CNN. The lighting seems to be different for each candidate, judging by the background at least.

[bunklocoempire]

When is Ron gonna get some time?

(it seems just like old times)

DRINK!

[Lucille]

Jesse Walker@notjessewalker The late Alexander Cockburn on Jim Lehrer: http://harpers.org/archive/1982/08/0050758

[michaelwise]

I'm trying to think of a good movie I can watch......

Being There with Peter Sellers or Harold and Maude

[KramerDSP]

The question is about Trickle-Down economic policies, and Obama talks about Education to open up.

[jclay2]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/09-2/drink1_0.jpg

[madengr]

Both of their voices are raspy. Is that their natural voice and the media has been boosting the bass the last year?

[MozoVote]

Wheee! Goes the yellow line. The ladies love Obama :rolleyes:

[Working Poor]

Being There with Peter Sellers or Harold and Maude

Harold and Maude one of my favorites

[sailingaway]

*waits for the tube of Ron*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuyVBzy2wuA

at about 7:00

[ShaneEnochs]

I turned it off. They're not even answering the questions they're being asked.

[QWDC]

I do have to say these are the longest 2 minute segments I've ever seen.

[michaelwise]

Obama is not good at debating. Written speeches, yes, but otherwise he sucks.

Revenge, It's Catching on, I'm Tell'n Ya.

[MozoVote]

Yellow line dives when Romney says he doesn't want to reduce rates on "high income Americans more than the middle" ... wonder who is in this "undecided" pool

[RickyJ]

Romney says he likes coal. Just ask the coal burning plants in Mass. how much he liked them while was governor. Not much since he increased regulation on them and made it much more expensive for them to operate.

[MozoVote]

Un-Oh, Romney losing his cool defending his tax cuts

[bunklocoempire]

Both of their voices are raspy. Is that their natural voice and the media has been boosting the bass the last year?

It's simply the fact that they are both so damned sincere. The audio can't handle it.

:toady:

[ravedown]

groundbreaking ideas here. really revolutionary stuff...just as i expected. these two are really energizing the voting public. im on the edge of my seat-we ARE winning the future!

[green73]

Romney is blinking way too much.

[MozoVote]

I'm not too intrested in these tax rate questions. Congress will hash this stuff out, the president doesn't set rates

[James Madison]

I'm not too intrested in these tax rate questions. Congress will hash this stuff out, the president doesn't set rates

Don't ya know?! President is the new Congress!

[ravedown]

wow-that creepy grin/stare is not helping romney. you dont have to smile constantly mitt.

[Original_Intent]

Romney - candidate and moderator!

[RickyJ]

Romney likes coal now, but in 2003 he wanted to shut down a coal burning plant that he said killed people. But it didn't, it was all a big lie.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BpgLYryI8g

[bunklocoempire]

Romney just lost the Big Bird vote.

[MozoVote]

I sense political cartoons coming tomorrow with Big Bird in them....

[ravedown]

romney seems manic...big bird? wtf? bad move. coming off as pushy and flustered. gop cant be happy rt now.

[Carehn]

Been watching for 5 minutes and Mittens is bombing. Has it been this way the whole time?

[RickyJ]

wow-that creepy grin/stare is not helping romney. you dont have to smile constantly mitt.

Please don't give him any advice, I would rather him and Obama fall flat on their face, it is more fun.

[KramerDSP]

Let me get this straight... Obama ends nothing.... Ron Paul would end the wars.... Romney will end.... PBS?

[Carehn]

Mittens cant stop blinking lol

[MozoVote]

It's still early enough in the debate I don't sense either of them gaining altitude. That yellow line floats up no matter what Obama talks about though :rolleyes:

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

where do i even start with all this bs???

and what's the yellow line?

[James Madison]

It's still early enough in the debate I don't sense either of them gaining altitude. That yellow line floats up no matter what Obama talks about though :rolleyes:

What's the yellow line?

[LibertasPraesidium]

I think Gary needs to walk out of the room and smoke a bowl or something, it would make watching him watch the debate a bit more entertaining.

[cajuncocoa]

Obama seems less than himself tonight...his answers are not as sharp as he usually is. Maybe the result of not having a teleprompter?

[MozoVote]

This is the first time since 4 years ago, that I've sat still to listen to Obama for more than 5 minutes

[sailingaway]

There's a sort of an impromptu twitter bomb seems to be going for Ron Paul, this is just a tiny bit of it: Liv Gjonaj ‏@livvvgjonaj

Ron Paul would've been the best thing to ever happen to America thus far


Breanne Saucier ‏@BreanneSaucier
Lets get this straight before everyone gets offended, I'm waiting for 2016 to get back on the #RonPaul train...

Joel Lambert ‏@Joel5326
Didn't Romney disagree with Ron Paul all through the primaries, and just now spout his ideas, albeit shallowly?

ISABELLE ‏@izzybellec
I wish Ron Paul was the republican representative. He's actually honest

Ashley Dooley ‏@BroAshIsHere
If I could vote I'd either vote for Obama or Ron Paul. Romney isn't even a valid option

Mike Maduras ‏@mikemaduras
I really wish Gary Johnson or Ron Paul were able to take part in this debate. I feel like a lot of people need to hear what they have to say
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WillieFred ‏@WillieGeekedUp
I actually believe Ron Paul would have been a better candidate than Mitt Romney #2012PresidentialDebate
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tim sullivan ‏@sulmusic
I still want Ron Paul to win #LegalizeIt

Bianka ‏@Beeeanka
Agreed!!! “@jasonG4s: Ron Paul and Obama debate would have been epic”

THE TRILLAVANILLA ‏@oliviaadrienne
I DON'T KNO BOUT YALL BUT I'M VOTING FOR RON PAUL


Andrew K*rnf*ld ‏@notveryraven
WHOAAA RON PAUL JUST CAME IN OUT OF NOWHERE, HE JUST SMACKED THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND HE'S GOT BABES FIRING TSHIRT GUNS INTO THE CROWD
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Julie Fang ‏@julieefang
Ron Paul !!!  RT @BabyNiggaChris: My moms for Obama, I'm for Ron Paul, and her bf is for Romney... What a divided house hold lol
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+ACAC+ ‏@ActiveChild
could really go for a little ron paul real talk right now
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Andrew Gierke ® ‏@scalabrineordie
This is pointless all the Obama supporters ate saying the same things and all the Romney supporters are saying the same thing #RonPaul
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Buffalohair ‏@Buffalohair
Ron Paul: Why Governments Hate Gold and Love Fiat Money http://wp.me/pmV8q-88b
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King Deem ‏@DeemyDeem
Ron Paul woulda been a better Republican candidate than this rich fool
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Morgan McMurtrie ‏@morganmcmurtrie
I feel like Ron Paul is going to pop up any minute... SURPRISE GUEST APPEARANCE
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Jason Guilbault ‏@jasonG4s
Ron Paul and Obama debate would have been epic
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Zack Zatezalo ‏@teza_low
at the beginning of the race for the Rep nomination, #RonPaul was the only Republican candidate w a plan of a $1T budget cut w/in 1 yr
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can u not ‏@harryshandjob
my uncle is a stoner he just said "wheres Ron Paul I like the way he thinks"
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✈Brody✈ ‏@TheeCodySchmidt
Tbh I'm just waitin for 4 years later when Ron Paul can say "I told you so" #followuptweet
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nick napolitano ‏@UNLVNacho
Really shows that the presidential chair is empty. Mittens is killing it. Still on the #ronpaul train tho. End the fed. #debate1212
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Paige Wagner☀ ‏@TurnDaPaige94
If Ron Paul won, this country would be a better place.
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Emmylou ‏@LOLItsEmma
Everyone should just vote for Ron Paul. He is gr8. Or Johnny Depp. I would love either.
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Cheyenne. ‏@Kayy_lalalala
This is completely irrelevant.. But.. I wanted Ron Paul, where tf he at?
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mainstream bitch ‏@basicbeyotch
saw someone with a Ron Paul bumper sticker lol I wanted to high five them
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Juliette Seasang ‏@seasangJ
I wish a miniature #RonPaul would slide down that divider that looks like a pole between them and tell them both to stop the partytalk.
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[Brian4Liberty]

Obama seems less than himself tonight...his answers are not as sharp as he usually is. Maybe the result of not having a teleprompter?

Likely.

[bunklocoempire]

"I don't wanna cost jobs"

"I don't want to kill jobs"

M dog is seriously all about the jobs.

http://s6.postimage.org/6wkwgd7ch/mdog.jpg

[MozoVote]

Obama seems less than himself tonight...his answers are not as sharp as he usually is. Maybe the result of not having a teleprompter?
My impression is Obama has been coached to stay Mr Cool. Let Romney blow up and get agitated in "attack" mode or defending himself

[jay_dub]

Where does Romney get that Obama spent $90 Billion on tax breaks for green energy?

[MozoVote]

Obama breaks the 4th wall, looks in the camera.... "If You're 54 or 55, you oughtta listen..."

[cajuncocoa]

My impression is Obama has been coached to stay Mr Cool. Let Romney blow up and get agitated in "attack" mode or defending himselfI don't think that's working for him. If I were an undecided voter, my impression would be that Romney is looking a lot better than Obama tonight. Romney hasn't gotten agitated, and Obama just sounds flustered.

[FSP-Rebel]

No self respecting Paul supporter would watch this retard show

http://i45.tinypic.com/2910zno.jpg

[cajuncocoa]

No self respecting Paul supporter would watch this retard show

http://i45.tinypic.com/2910zno.jpgNo self respecting Paul supporter would have endorsed either of these clowns. Just remember: you went there first.

[Jumbo Shrimp]

45 minutes into the debate and less than 100 posts? lol

[FSP-Rebel]

No self respecting Paul supporter would have endorsed either of these clowns. Just remember: you went there first.
If you mean Rand, it was a means to an end and we've been over this a million times. I suppose you'll be denying support for Rand in '16 just because he endorsed Retard this time around. k

[bunklocoempire]

Obama breaks the 4th wall, looks in the camera.... "If You're 54 or 55, you oughtta listen..."

lol

[Ender]

Harold and Maude one of my favorites

Same here.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

45 minutes into the debate and less than 100 posts? lol

Nobody cares about this sideshow. I can't believe these two are the main choices. How is it possible that third party candidates hardly ever get more than 1% combined?

[Anti Federalist]

http://i.imgur.com/oBR1X.jpg

[KramerDSP]

Romney: "Regulations are ESSENTIAL!"

[VoluntaryAmerican]

"Regulation is essential - free market doesn't work without regulation." ...

Mitt Romney.

[ONUV]

you can't have a free market without regulations?

[dbill27]

"You can't have a free market work without regulation"-romney

[Carehn]

Mother of God Mittens sucks.... Must not be use to not having elections handed to him.... This is what happens when you give kids a trophy for just showing up. They get to the real deal and get there asses handed to them.

[DapperDan]

Been a long time since I have posted....

Regulations??? LOL

[Tunink]

If Ron Paul were in these debates this thing would be 80 pages by now.

[KramerDSP]

Romney is bullying Lehrer while Obama plays the good cop.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

If only Ron Paul had aggressively called Romney out. He could have shredded him. It's insane how easy Willard gets flustered and falls apart while Obama talks like a drunken sloth.

[seyferjm]

The government CAUSED THE HOUSING CRISIS LIAR!!!!

[FSP-Rebel]

http://i.imgur.com/oBR1X.jpg
M: you got your bs cap on tonight? B: nah but the tele is running smoothly. u up for golf tomorrs?

[KramerDSP]

Lehrer: "Clear differences!! These men have clear differences on these issues!"

I think he doth protest too much.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

"You can't have a free market without regulations."

Romney at his best.

[bunklocoempire]

Good lord. Another clear difference... lol

Shark meet jump.

Here, briefly enjoy something that makes more sense and is 100% more honest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoS-MCnTPtQ

[mac_hine]

Jesus Christ! This sounds like a democratic primary debate.

[QuickZ06]

"You can't have a free market without regulations."

Romney at his best.

That one was a real gem.

[michaelwise]

Same here.
I'm putting Harold and Maude in right now for th 15th time.

[MozoVote]

The biggest takeaway I would make, is that if the focus group is representative (not an FU Frank setup) that Obama is keeping his gender gap with women. Romney really struggles to get positives on that yellow line. Doesn't matter what's being discussed, even education for kids or care for seniors, etc...

[sailingaway]

During the debate Romney wasn't trending and Obama wasn't, but Ron Paul was, for a while, on twitter.

[Sola_Fide]

HAHAHA

Obamacare=Romneycare

[bunklocoempire]

Lehrer: "Clear differences!! These men have clear differences on these issues!"

I think he doth protest too much.

lol Just out of the blue like that... again.:rolleyes:

I'm hoping there's a mash up vid of all the "clear differences" menitoned by Jimbo or any other pundit this great day.

[Sola_Fide]

HAHAHA

Obamacare=Romneycare

[cindy25]

Romney seems confident,and Obama seems nervous.

Romney is winning this

[RickyJ]

The biggest difference between these goons, Romney's head is much bigger than Obama's head. I never really noticed just how small Obama's head is before.

[RonRules]

Not a word about the wars yet. I'm not surprised.

[MozoVote]

Foreign Policy is the 3rd debate

[Jumbo Shrimp]

Romney seems confident,and Obama seems nervous.

Romney is winning this

Obama keeps stuttering and stumbling on his phrases.

[GunnyFreedom]

That's it. No more. Now that Gary Johnson's commentary is finished, I have no reason to pay attention.

[Anti Federalist]

Meanwhile, in news as equally important:

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/c/carey_mariah/diva_kombat/420_embed.jpg

Nicki Minaj And Mariah Carey Fans Square Off Over 'Idol' Beef

Leaked 'American Idol' argument leads to a Barbz vs. Lambs Twitter debate.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1694909/nicki-minaj-mariah-carey-fans-american-idol-feud.jhtml

[Jumbo Shrimp]

Foreign Policy is the 3rd debate

Mitt: Do we need to discuss this?
Obama: Yeah, seriously. We agree on everything.
Mitt: Well no, I love Israel more.
Obama: Liar, I do!
Mitt: No, I do!

[RickyJ]

Obama keeps stuttering and stumbling on his phrases.

They both seem to be stuttering to me and are both dishing the BS out.

[wgadget]

I miss Ron.

[smithtg]

my waders have overflowed

[smithtg]

neither of them wants to cut anything really

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

I miss Ron.
I'd give anything to have Ron up there.

[MozoVote]

They both seem to be stuttering to me and are both dishing the BS out.
They are trying to discuss very complex acts like ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank in two minutes. There isn't time to do more than make a few claims and throw an accusation out there

[RickyJ]

The liberal Romney talking about Reagan, it disgusts me. Reagan would not endorse this man.

[llepard]

If you didn't know that we are doomed, you would think this is all reasonable and we will be ok either way.

What a sick joke. People are hurting, the dollar is toast and these guys are talking as though all we need to do is adjust the dials.

We are so screwed and they act like it is OK.

Hello ! Wake the fuck up. We are about to roast in inflationary hell and you two are debating health insurance details.

[bunklocoempire]

Meanwhile, in news as equally important:

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/c/carey_mariah/diva_kombat/420_embed.jpg

Nicki Minaj And Mariah Carey Fans Square Off Over 'Idol' Beef

Leaked 'American Idol' argument leads to a Barbz vs. Lambs Twitter debate.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1694909/nicki-minaj-mariah-carey-fans-american-idol-feud.jhtml

Now I'm torn on which shiny object to focus on.

I'm having a pretty good time watching "America Dances Around The Truth".

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Twitter feed is classic.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

Obama talking about "freedom enhancement"

[mport1]

Ugh, I think Romney is gonna get a boost from this. Awful, I want him to go down in flames.

[Anti Federalist]

LL!

Good to see you.

Hope everything is well.

Oh, and yeah, you're right.


If you didn't know that we are doomed, you would think this is all reasonable and we will be ok either way.

What a sick joke. People are hurting, the dollar is toast and these guys are talking as though all we need to do is adjust the dials.

We are so screwed and they act like it is OK.

Hello ! Wake the fuck up. We are about to roast in inflationary hell and you two are debating health insurance details.

[bunklocoempire]

Mitt: Do we need to discuss this?
Obama: Yeah, seriously. We agree on everything.
Mitt: Well no, I love Israel more.
Obama: Liar, I do!
Mitt: No, I do!

Jimbo: "So once again we see some clear differences between yourself and the president"

[Carehn]

The first role of government is to stay out of my freedom!!!

[michaelwise]

The biggest takeaway I would make, is that if the focus group is representative (not an FU Frank setup) that Obama is keeping his gender gap with women. Romney really struggles to get positives on that yellow line. Doesn't matter what's being discussed, even education for kids or care for seniors, etc...

Fuck You Frank!
The Israel Project’s 2009
GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM THE AUTHOR Frank Luntz:
I wrote my first Language Dictionary for The Israel Project in 2003.
Since that time, Israel has had three Prime Ministers, several stalled peace initiatives, found itself the victim of attack from its northern and southern borders, and has suffered greatly in the court of public opinion.

Penn & Teller Said Fuck you Frank too.

http://fedgeno.com/documents/israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

[BamaAla]

IMHO, Romney has looked far better than the Prez tonight.

[mport1]

Haha, constitution pandering.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

^if only everyone knew that

[V3n]

The greatest "democracy" in the world and we have to choose between these asshats?

[llepard]

Larry!

Good to see you.

Hope everything is well.

Oh, and yeah, you're right.

Likewise, miss you and the old crew, LL

[Rudeman]

I tuned in and Obama was rambling for about 5 minutes, do they not have time limits? Man I miss Ron Paul in these debates, this is just a borefest.

[jclay2]

This is such a joke. I like what Alex Jones said about these debates.

"You are about to see the greatest show on folks and I am not talking about PT Barnum."

[V3n]

Romney is "winning". I *don't* believe a word he says, but looking from the outside, he is crushing the prez.

[cajuncocoa]

Not a word about the wars yet. I'm not surprised.Tonight is about domestic issues only.

[RickyJ]

Ugh, I think Romney is gonna get a boost from this. Awful, I want him to go down in flames.

It won't last, most have already made up their minds and only a few undecideds are even watching. Romney can't win after insulting 47% of this nation.

[MozoVote]

I think it was a draw up to this "role of government" question - Romney did rise to this

[llepard]

The greatest "democracy" in the world and we have to choose between these asshats?

Greatest democracy? When?

Agree they asshats. But no surprise there.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Has the Federal Reserve been mentioned yet?

[smithtg]

whats funny is that Romney was pretty much bad in the republican debates; He makes obama look bad. I would have like to have seen Obama in the Rebpub field/debates. Sick a little frothy on him and throw in some Newt and Barry would be crying.

[smithtg]

It won't last, most have already made up their minds and only a few undecideds are even watching. Romney can't win after insulting 47% of this nation.

They have their obamaphones too

[llepard]

Has the Federal Reserve been mentioned yet?

Shirley you jest. ..........

[Celes]

I tuned in and Obama was rambling for about 5 minutes, do they not have time limits? Man I miss Ron Paul in these debates, this is just a borefest.

Totally agree... Of course, that's because Ron actually brings up the real issues

[V3n]

Greatest democracy? When?

Agree they asshats. But no surprise there.

LOL! I should have expanded my quotation marks.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

http://i.imgur.com/44Oqm.jpg

[smithtg]

http://i.imgur.com/44Oqm.jpg

ahhaahahahha

[cajuncocoa]

http://twitter.com/cajuncocoa/status/253679075552538624

[Celes]

Gaaaah. Ron would have destroyed Obama :(

[MozoVote]

Romney finally gets a yellow line boost. Spend $90B on teachers! Now we know who is sitting in that booth, LOL

[cindy25]

The liberal Romney talking about Reagan, it disgusts me. Reagan would not endorse this man.

Yes, he would have. Reagan was no small government guy either

[RickyJ]

Romney making a big deal about 90 billion into "green jobs" while he wants to spend a trillion fighting more wars.

[michaelwise]

If you didn't know that we are doomed, you would think this is all reasonable and we will be ok either way.

What a sick joke. People are hurting, the dollar is toast and these guys are talking as though all we need to do is adjust the dials.

We are so screwed and they act like it is OK.

Hello ! Wake the fuck up. We are about to roast in inflationary hell and you two are debating health insurance details.

Nice to see you Llepard. I'm Michael, the recently banned commenter on Zero Hedge and since then their comment section flat lined. I'm glad to see someone else gets the complete and total economic collapse of the entire planet will commence shortly.

[bunklocoempire]

so many differences...

http://s6.postimage.org/vr4eafs6p/homer.jpg

[VoluntaryAmerican]

http://i.imgur.com/44Oqm.jpg

Courtesy Harvard Law.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

Romney finally gets a yellow line boost. Spend $90B on teachers! Now we know who is sitting in that booth, LOL
Ah, so the yellow line is the undecideds who are statists, that can't choose between these two big govt clowns?

[Brian4Liberty]

Shirley you jest. ..........

"And don't call me Shirley".

[Anti Federalist]

Nice to see you Llepard. I'm Michael, the recently banned commenter on Zero Hedge and since then their comment section flat lined. I'm glad to see someone else gets the complete and total economic collapse of the entire planet will commence shortly.

Were you "Tyler Durden"?

[MozoVote]

Oh come on Obama, the courts overturned "Dont' ask Don't tell" over your Administration's objections.

[AuH20]

IMHO, Romney has looked far better than the Prez tonight.

Romney has performed well, but I'm not surprised since he did well in the Republican primary debates. However, the bigger problem is that he's essentially Obama lite!!! He doesn't want to make any hard and necessary budgetary decisions!!!

[mport1]

Is there one single substantive difference between the two? In all these years, I've never been able to find anything.

[RickyJ]

Yes, he would have. Reagan was no small government guy either

As president he didn't make the budgets up, Congress did that. Reagan was the last real president this nation had, everyone since him has been an establishment puppet. They tried to kill him shortly after he became president but fortunately failed. Reagan might not have been prefect, but I would take him over these goons in heart beat.

[bunklocoempire]

middle class!

DRINK!

[Bruno]

No foreign policy questions!?!

[llepard]

Nice to see you Llepard. I'm Michael, the recently banned commenter on Zero Hedge and since then their comment section flat lined. I'm glad to see someone else gets the complete and total economic collapse of the entire planet will commence shortly.

Hi Michael , love your comments on zero hedge. Why did they ban you? In general they are open minded. PM me.

[jay_dub]

Romney making a big deal about 90 billion into "green jobs" while he wants to spend a trillion fighting more wars.

FACT CHECK: Did Obama really spend $90 billion on green energy? Sort of. Here’s how that money breaks down, according to the White House:

$29 billion for energy efficiency, including $5 billion for improvements in the homes and apartments of low-income households
$21 billion for renewable electricity generation, including wind turbines and solar panels
$10 billion for grid modernization, including millions of “smart meters” that read themselves, eliminating the need for meter readers
$6 billion to help establish factories to make batteries for electric cars and other components of advanced vehicles
$18 billion for fast trains
$3 billion for research and development into capturing and sequestering carbon dioxide
$3 billion for job training and scientific advances in green energy
About $2 billion to help build wind turbines, solar panels and similar “green” products

http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_First_presidential_debate_between_Presid ent_Obama_and_former_Mass_Governor_Mitt_Romney/48964616

[cindy25]

Nice to see you Llepard. I'm Michael, the recently banned commenter on Zero Hedge and since then their comment section flat lined. I'm glad to see someone else gets the complete and total economic collapse of the entire planet will commence shortly.

all true, but they are playing to the dumbest, uninformed voters, and have to be optimistic.

[jclay2]

Nice to see you Llepard. I'm Michael, the recently banned commenter on Zero Hedge and since then their comment section flat lined. I'm glad to see someone else gets the complete and total economic collapse of the entire planet will commence shortly.


I think the comment section on zerohedge has just gotten exhausted. Everyone knows the collapse is coming and every single story confirms it. Its just that tptb keep can kicking to unseen levels and 95% of investors are still in a comatose state.

[MozoVote]

Obama mentions autoworkers in Toledo... get that Ohio beckoning onto the airwaves ...

[ronpaulfollower999]

No foreign policy questions!?!

Last debate.

[AuH20]

As president he didn't make the budgets up, Congress did that. Reagan was the last real president this nation had, everyone since him has been an establishment puppet. They tried to kill him shortly after he became president but fortunately failed. Reagan might not have been prefect, but I would take him over these goons in heart beat.

And Reagan actually wanted to return to a gold standard. Reagan had his faults, but he wasn't as atrocious like some would lead you to believe.

[Carehn]

I forgot to tell you guys Im at the debate... Check out a pick i got before it started.
http://www.cheechandchong.com/wp-content/gallery/new-sample-gallery/cheech-marin-tommy-chong-823951221.jpg

[llepard]

"And don't call me Shirley".

WORD

[GunnyFreedom]

and absolutely no mention of QE3 whatsoever, imagine that....

[Carehn]

INHO Obama won in the eyes of most people.

[bunklocoempire]

Is there one single substantive difference between the two? In all these years, I've never been able to find anything.

http://s9.postimage.org/a0ybfi36n/whoa_up_there.jpg
"Whoa up there tiger -haven't you been paying attention?"

[sailingaway]

I'd give anything to have Ron up there.

He was trending now and then on twitter tonight. (Ron, that is.)

[Jumbo Shrimp]

Why have I been holding in my urine for an hour for this crap?! My bladder hurts and so do my ears.

[michaelwise]

Were you "Tyler Durden"?

I was an invisible Tyler not officially sanctioned by that web site. It's the second time I've been banned in the past 3 years, but got back in because of a server hack, and stayed about another 18 months.

Everybodys noticing how the comment section died since my most recent ban.

[V3n]

INHO Obama won in the eyes of most people.

Unofficial facebook review of only people who are my friends (good mix of dem & rep) - the Rep's are way more fired up and saying their guy "won". Dems are just trying to nit-pick at a sound bit here and there from Rombot.

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

Definite #1 highlight for me was "You can't have a free market without regulations." -Mitt Romney

[Rudeman]

Apparently CNN is going to have a scientific poll, they can't wait to see the results from their scientific poll. Wow. :rolleyes:

[AuH20]

Romney did a great job explaining how he could run the United Socialist States of America more efficiently than the current occupant. LOL

[MozoVote]

Romney did better than expected. It may draw a little more interest to the race. But this was not a "game changer" of a debate.

[puppetmaster]

the media has its orders. The debate host kept trying to tell us " see there is a difference" I only watched it for a little bit but heard that statement twice.

[jclay2]

and absolutely no mention of QE3 whatsoever, imagine that....

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!! This is where the fireworks are going to play out over the next few years, yet no mention about the most powerful man in the world Big Bubblz Bernank.

[Ender]

As president he didn't make the budgets up, Congress did that. Reagan was the last real president this nation had, everyone since him has been an establishment puppet. They tried to kill him shortly after he became president but fortunately failed. Reagan might not have been prefect, but I would take him over these goons in heart beat.

Reagan was a charismatic, likable, big government, big spending neocon.

[AuH20]

Romney did better than expected. It may draw a little more interest to the race. But this was not a "game changer" of a debate.

Romney was intentionally sandbagged by the Obama cult driven MSM for months leading up to this matchup, so his competence on the debating stage raises his profile. However, the inherent problem is that Romney must have agreed with the POTUS about a half dozen times!!!

[llepard]

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!! This is where the fireworks are going to play out over the next few years, yet no mention about the most powerful man in the world Big Bubblz Bernank.

Yes. Hyperinflation. No big deal, move along folks.

[nano1895]

Definite #1 highlight for me was "You can't have a free market without regulations." -Mitt Romney

Yeah that was a freebie. Not sure where he was going with that.

[michaelwise]

I think the comment section on zerohedge has just gotten exhausted. Everyone knows the collapse is coming and every single story confirms it. Its just that tptb keep can kicking to unseen levels and 95% of investors are still in a comatose state.

I really did have quite a fan club on ZH that lurked and commented on my lead.
You can see the date when they banned me on Alexa Pageviews/User about 10 days into September; http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/zerohedge.com

[Rudeman]

Sounds like Romney doesn't want to cut a damn thing.

[AuH20]

Sounds like Romney doesn't want to cut a damn thing.

Basically. It's called moderate insanity outside the swamps of D.C.

[BamaAla]

Unofficial facebook review of only people who are my friends (good mix of dem & rep) - the Rep's are way more fired up and saying their guy "won". Dems are just trying to nit-pick at a sound bit here and there from Rombot.

I'm watching twitter, facebook, and bouncing around the news stations right now, and the general consensus is that Romney took the day. Anyone seeing anything different?

[AuH20]

I'm watching twitter, facebook, and bouncing around the news stations right now, and the general consensus is that Romney took the day. Anyone seeing anything different?

I thought Romney narrowly edged the POTUS in terms of point scoring. But the POTUS is too slick to land a knockout blow on. He constantly projects this moderate image which isn't entirely accurate and appeals to the public's emotions, which works extremely well with low info voters.

[llepard]

I'm watching twitter, facebook, and bouncing around the news stations right now, and the general consensus is that Romney took the day. Anyone seeing anything different?

Low bar

[AuH20]

I'm watching twitter, facebook, and bouncing around the news stations right now, and the general consensus is that Romney took the day. Anyone seeing anything different?

Chris Matthews is freaking out saying that Obama got ambushed by underestimating Romney. I wouldn't go that far, but Romney did well.

[cindy25]

Obama did badly. much worse than I expected.

[MozoVote]

The thing is, Obama is not a sitting target. There will be 2 more debates and he'll probably train harder before them. The last debate is foreign policy, and he or Hillary may manufacture or unveil something to make himself look better by then.

It probably is true that the umpteen debates Romney endured during the primaries, helped him stay focused. Obama seemed to be warming up to this.

[Aratus]

InTrade had Mitt leaping 7 points mid-debate, MRC.com chatters are estatic as the conservative talking heads are tickled pink, and yes... the liberal media is not thrilled.

[Rudeman]

It's because Obama is one arrogant guy that thought he could beat Romney without even trying.

[AuH20]

It's because Obama is one arrogant guy that thought he could beat Romney without even trying.

I think that's it. He believed all the press clippings. I told everyone that Romney was no pushover. Sure, he's a statist pig like Obama, but he can play the game.

[michaelwise]

Chris Matthews is freaking out saying that Obama got ambushed by underestimating Romney. I wouldn't go that far, but Romney did well.

Let me straiten things out for you.

All reporters of the mainstream media work for the same corporation. It's the reporters job to make the American people, in a divide and conquer strategy, a perfect 50/50 split.

That's their job, period!

[Carehn]

Did i just F*cking miss something??? People are going crazy over Mittens online, On tv, In the streets.... I thought He did horrible.

[BamaAla]

I think that's it. He believed all the press clippings. I told everyone that Romney was no pushover. Sure, he's a statist pig like Obama, but he can play the game.

I agree. Mitt is a shrewd man; he might lose, but he's going to be more formidable than McCain was.

[BamaAla]

Did i just F*cking miss something??? People are going crazy over Mittens online, On tv, In the streets.... I thought He did horrible.

You must have saw it differently than everyone else. It looked to me like Romney was the clear winner as well.

[michaelwise]

Did i just F*cking miss something??? People are going crazy over Mittens online, On tv, In the streets.... I thought He did horrible.

We'll have to see the brainwashing mind control TV ratings tomorrow to see if critical mass was achieved.

I doubt it.

Honey Boo Boo probably got better ratings.

[AuH20]

Did i just F*cking miss something??? People are going crazy over Mittens online, On tv, In the streets.... I thought He did horrible.

Horrible in that his policies suck. But in terms of gauging debate points, he did very well. I think too many people try to score these debates through the lens of their own personal philosophy, as opposed to how the average uninformed American digested it.

[jclay2]

Obama dropped 7% on intrade throughout the debate.

[sailingaway]

Did i just F*cking miss something??? People are going crazy over Mittens online, On tv, In the streets.... I thought He did horrible.

Nate Silver says the challenger usually gets a bounce from the first debate because the 'presidential veneer' is challenged. We'll see. I think they just had really low expectations.

[MozoVote]

RPF is not a "friendly" forum for Romney right now. If we're concluding that he won the debate, then he probably did from the "outside world's" vantage point.

[trey4sports]

I mean, my jaw is on the ground from all the Orwellian-speak tonight. Free markets can't be free, and government creates prosperity. I have so many thoughts but i'm really just deeply saddened to see how far down the rabbit hole we are. Makes me want to just retreat right back into cynicism.

[Anti Federalist]

The Debate Farce

Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on October 3, 2012 08:53 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/122420.html

Here in Denver, various agencies of the federal police apparatus shut down the city's main interstate highway for several hours so that no one could get close enough to threaten the life of the two great deities who are currently exchanging talking points at the University of Denver. Rush hour traffic was shut down and thrown into disarray so that the elites could engage in a spectacle in which nothing of substance will be said and no honest statement will be uttered.

The local elites were in ecstasy over the fact that our wise overlords saw fit to stoop down and grace the streets of our fair city with their shining countenances. Surely, flowers bloomed wherever they stepped. It was a "great honor" we were told that the University of Denver was chosen by our betters on high to host such an august gathering of warlords and minor princes all seeking to win one for their side, and sure that victory will be secured for the presiding war criminal or the possible war-criminal-in-waiting.

Since I don't vote or participate in any of the other liturgies of the American religion known as Democracy, I am denied the pleasures of the electrifying grace that apparently permeates the souls of those who believe that salvation will come their way on November 6th. But it is apparently all very exciting.

The pundits assure us however, that this "debate" (viz., recitation of talking points) will be very important for the undecided voters. Fortunately, Saturday Night Live recently explained to use the nature of the animal that is the "undecided voter."

[AuH20]

Nate Silver says the challenger usually gets a bounce from the first debate because the 'presidential veneer' is challenged. We'll see. I think they just had really low expectations.

It's the liberal media. They've been talking for months saying that Romney didn't belong in the same room with THEIR GUY, when it was patently false. They set up the stage for this bounce with their unfettered arrogance.

[AuH20]

RPF is not a "friendly" forum for Romney right now. If we're concluding that he won the debate, then he probably did from the "outside world's" vantage point.

Yup. Romney is Obama lite. He doesn't want to really cut revenue or curb spending. He's a statist placeholder.

[jim49er]

We'll have to see the brainwashing mind control TV ratings tomorrow to see if critical mass was achieved.

I doubt it.

Honey Boo Boo probably got better ratings.

Thanks to AF lol

[opal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuyVBzy2wuA

at about 7:00

ty ty ty
you're the best sailing!

[jclay2]

I mean, my jaw is on the ground from all the Orwellian-speak tonight. Free markets can't be free, and government creates prosperity. I have so many thoughts but i'm really just deeply saddened to see how far down the rabbit hole we are. Makes me want to just retreat right back into cynicism.

Fine by me, as long as you got your three G's: Guns, God, & Gold. Don't forget general food, water, and medical supplies for the rabbit hole.

[bunklocoempire]

Originally Posted by michaelwise

We'll have to see the brainwashing mind control TV ratings tomorrow to see if critical mass was achieved.

I doubt it.

Honey Boo Boo probably got better ratings.


Thanks to AF lol

Might be time for an intervention...

"AF, we've asked you here to consider getting help for throwing something in the woods..."

[Anti Federalist]

I'm reading around the government press, and I'm seeing "draw".

That, and they are really pushing this:


The ideological divide between Obama and Romney on dominant questions of the day -- this year, it’s the economy and its slow climb out of recession -- is as wide as it has been in any presidential election in more than a generation.

http://www.freep.com/article/20121003/NEWS15/121003085/Debate-analysis-Romney-rips-president-both-sides-play-good-defense

The "differences" that are not.

Politically and policy wise, this is as pointless an election as I've seen in all my adult life, even more than Dole/Clinton in 1996.

[Anti Federalist]

Thanks to AF lol

Gonna go cook me some 'sketti.

[Rudeman]

I'm reading around the government press, and I'm seeing "draw".

That, and they are really pushing this:



The "differences" that are not.

Politically and policy wise, this is as pointless an election as I've seen in all my adult life, even more than Dole/Clinton in 1996.

Didn't Obama say something similar to that a few months ago?

[Anti Federalist]

Romney had vowed to change course on a series of policies, including repealing Obama’s signature health care law. He ridiculed the president’s assertion that the tax code encouraged businesses to ship jobs overseas. ”I’ve been in business 25 years,” he said. ”I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

LOL - Yeah, right.

[jclay2]

Politically and policy wise, this is as pointless an election as I've seen in all my adult life, even more than Dole/Clinton in 1996.

I don't know, 2008 seemed pretty bland to me. But then again I guess it was exciting as we got are first Ethiopian President.

[Peace Piper]

From Twitter:

Mark Hemingway @Heminator

That wasn't a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car.

[sailingaway]

Sam Feist ‏@SamFeistCNN
BREAKING: Results of CNN-ORC Post-Debate flash poll. Who won the debate: Romney 67%, Obama 25%. +_ 4%. #CNNDebate

yawn....

...and....

Sean Hannity ‏@seanhannity
More with Luntz & the focus group, plus Mayor Giuliani's take on @MittRomney's performance next

LOLOL!

[michaelwise]

Might be time for an intervention...

"AF, we've asked you here to consider getting help for throwing something in the woods..."

AF, Please never stop throwing shit all over the woods. I do it all the time too.

[bunklocoempire]

Didn't Obama say something similar to that a few months ago?

I do remember the O (msm) saying 'he' was going to play up Mitt's 'libertarian leanings':

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/05/obama-says-hell-portray-romney-as-extreme-libertarian/

President Barack Obama is previewing his next strategy in the 2012 campaign — an audacious effort to paint former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and the majority GOP as radical libertarians that have abandoned mainstream American politics.

Since 2000, “we [Democrats] haven’t moved that much. … What’s changed is the Republican Party,” Obama told a group of wealthy donors gathered Monday night at a New York town-house owned by Marc Lasry. Lasry is a billionaire equity-capitalist who runs a $20 billion fund that buys up the shaky assets of failing companies


Teh drone/peace president sez it so it must be true...

So just like everything else being a 180, change is not change and differences are not differences... but yet they are.

[Anti Federalist]

BREAKING: Results of CNN-ORC Post-Debate flash poll. Who won the debate: Romney 67%, Obama 25%. +_ 4%. #CNNDebate

Wow, O-Bomb-ya must have really stepped on his dick tonight.

[AuH20]

Wow, O-Bomb-ya must have really stepped on his dick tonight.

It's more that he is actually facing a candidate that can actually counter-punch with the same vague, moderate feel-good speak. LOL This isn't Alan Keyes or elderly John McCain. He may actually have to earn this one.