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Anti Federalist
09-30-2012, 01:08 PM
Question:

Where are all the gay rights groups on this?



How to Kill a Law Enforcement Career: The Case of Regina Tasca

Monday, September 24, 2012

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-to-kill-law-enforcement-career-case.html

What does it take for a police officer to get fired?

Regina Tasca, a 20-year veteran officer from Bogota, New Jersey, was terminated by the Borough Council on September 21. This decision came after a lengthy investigation into her purported misdeeds.

Prior to her termination, Officer Tasca had never generated a single citizen complaint or official reprimand. She was being considered for promotion before she got in trouble in April 2011.

What horrible deed led to Officer Tasca's dismissal?

Before answering that question, it’s worth reviewing a few recent cases of severe police misconduct that either went entirely unpunished, or resulted in sanctions short of termination.

Lawrenceville, Georgia Police Chief Randy Johnson refuses to fire Detective Tim Ashley, an abusive cop with a nasty habit of imprisoning innocent people – a habit that has already cost the local taxpayers a great deal in legal expenses. Among his victims is Ann Jaipersaud, who operates a Chevron station in Lawrenceville.

When Jaipersaud found herself dealing with an aggravated customer, she made the common – and by now inexcusable – mistake of calling the police for help. As is always the case, matters immediately got much worse after the police intervened in the dispute.

The customer, an American of African ancestry, apparently thought that the store owner (a woman of East Indian descent who was born in Guyana) didn’t want to sell him gas on account of his ethnic background. When told that the station had no gasoline, the customer — who verbally abused the store owner — refused to leave.

Jaipersaud’s call was answered by five officers, including Detective Ashley. After the customer claimed that Jaipersaud had struck him, she pointed out that the store’s security video would prove that she had done no such thing — but she didn’t know how to access it. Ashley demanded that she call her son, who was at school.

“He said I need to get him here now or else,” Jaipersaud recalled. “I asked him if he was threatening me…. And he said, `No, I’m arresting you.’” The officer later explained that he arrested Jaipersaud for being “disrespectful.” She spent ten hours in jail for what was later determined to be a wrongful arrest. A jury awarded Jaipersaud nearly $140,000 in damages.

Lawrenceville tax victims will almost certainly forced to indemnify Ashley’s crimes against 29-year-old Mississippi resident Carlos Fairley, who was abducted by police in a SWAT-style raid and then spent two months behind bars as a result of the detective’s culpable disregard for evidence.

Last November, Fairley — who was earning an honest living as a cook at a casino — tried to obtain a more lucrative position in the plunder-based sector by applying for a position with the Transportation Security Administration. A background check by the agency found that Fairley had outstanding arrest warrants in Lawrenceville for two counts of armed robbery.

At this point the alert reader will probably ask two questions:

“Wait — the TSA actually does background checks on applicants? And an accusation of armed robbery would be considered a disqualification, rather than an endorsement, for someone seeking to join the TSA’s corps of molesters and petty thieves?”

In any case, Fairley was told he had to clear up the warrants before being considered for employment with the TSA. When he called the Lawrenceville PD to inform them that he had not so much as visited Georgia for nine years, “Ashley `loudly and rudely’ said he knew Fairley committed the crime and hung up on him,” recounts the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

The warrants were issued on the basis of a photo lineup that included a picture of Fairley when he was booked after being arrested as a teenager roughly a decade ago for “joyriding” in a stolen vehicle. Furthermore, the eyewitness testimony described the robber as having a face disfigured by several tattoos; Fairley’s face is unmarked. This difference should have been obvious even to a specimen like Tim Ashley.

A few weeks after he contacted Ashley, Fairley was seized in a guns-drawn police raid in Mississippi and extradited to Georgia, where he was imprisoned for three months.

Defense attorney Jason Robert Cornell, who represented Carlos, recalled to Pro Libertate that the young father “was stuck in jail for 2 months while I desperately tried to prove his innocence. I wasn't entitled to any portion of the investigative file, seeing as he hadn't yet been indicted. I had to defend the case blind.”

As an out-of-state defendant accused of a violent felony, Carlos wasn’t going to be granted bond even if is family could afford it, Carnell observes.

“Fortunately, after showing the Assistant District Attorney Carlos' banking records, showing that he had withdrawn $40 from a Biloxi ATM 45 minutes before he was supposed to be robbing someone in Gwinnett County, Georgia, and pictures of another guy in Gwinnett County Jail who looked very similar to Carlos – and who had been arrested for armed robbery -- the ADA suggested we have the victims identify him in court.”

Carnell rejected that offer, because in-court identification would have been “highly suggestive and prejudicial to Carlos.” Instead, the defense “agreed to a photo line-up. I provided the photo of Carlos and the other guy and Tim Ashley provided a few others. Neither of the two victims picked Carlos….The ADA then grudgingly told me he was dismissing the warrants without apology to me or Carlos.”

In addition to having two months of his life stolen from him, Carlos now bears the all but ineffaceable taint of the fraudulent arrest.

“Carlos lost his job at a Biloxi casino,” Carnell explains. “He lost his Dodge Charger he had just bought and his name is permanently tarred due to the way GCIC and NCIC keep criminal records. You will always be able to find warrants, for armed robbery, with his name on them -- not to mention his mug shot.”

Ashley, on the other hand, enjoys perfect job security despite numerous suspensions for misconduct – including a threatening phone call to his ex-wife’s boyfriend, and refusing to respond to a homicide call while on duty.

Not surprisingly, Fairley has filed a lawsuit against Ashley and the department that employs him. That lawsuit — and the needless abuse of Orlando Fairley — could have been avoided if Ashley had invested a minimal effort in trying to identify a legitimate suspect, rather than pursuing what appears to be a mission to punish Fairley for impudently asserting his innocence.

Regina Tasca has been responsible for supervising prisoners, but there is no evidence that she ever imprisoned anyone on false pretenses, or arrested a citizen for petty or vindictive reasons.

German Bosque, a Sergeant in the police department terrorizing Opa-Locka, Florida, has been the subject of 41 internal investigations, more than a dozen of them in cases involving battery or excessive force. He was found with counterfeit currency, crack pipes, and cocaine in his police vehicle. On several occasions, Bosque has been accused of domestic violence, stalking, and stealing a car. One of his preferred tactics is to “tune up” – that is, assault – youngsters if they display what he considers “disrespect” toward the police.

Bosque has been arrested three times. He has also been fired five times -- and immediately re-instated with the help of the local criminal’s lobby (more commonly known as the police officers’ union). He is safely ensconced in a $60,000-a-year job as a state-licensed thug.

Officer Regina Tasca was never accused of abusing anybody. As noted above, she has never received a single citizen complaint.

The City of Scottsdale, Arizona faces a lawsuit by the daughter of John Loxas II, who was fatally shot by Officer James Peters, a former SWAT operative previously involved in six fatal officer-involved shootings. Peters killed John Loxas II on February 14. At the time, the 50-year-old grandfather was holding a seven-month-old baby.

Although police “could see that the suspect had the baby in his arms” just before Peters fired the fatal shot, Loxas was unarmed, according to a Scripps wire service account. “After several calls for Loxas to exit the home, he opened the door with the baby in his left hand, and stood just inside the doorway…. Officers then saw Loxas reach down to his right, lowering the baby and exposing his head and upper body. Peters then responded to the movement with a single shot to Loxas’ head.”

Two years ago, Loxas was arrested following a report that Loxas had been seen “yelling and walking around with a handgun.” Although officers described him as “drunk” and “threatening his neighbors with a pistol,” he was not charged with aggravated assault — as Arizona statutes would dictate if that description were accurate — but for the trivial offense of “disorderly conduct.”

The Valentine’s Day incident began in similar fashion. The police were summoned by a report that Loxas had kicked a neighbor’s garbage can into the street while he was on a walk with his nine-month-old grandson. When police arrived they found him outside his home. Ordered to “step away” from the house, Loxas retreated inside. Without any evidence that Loxas intended to harm the child, the officers created a “crisis entry team” — that is, they escalated the conflict by imposing a military protocol that led to the summary execution of a man who wasn’t suspected of a violent crime.

Although Loxas was treated as if he were a heavily armed barricaded kidnapper, a search of his home turned up a total of two firearms — neither of which was within easy reach when he was killed by Officer Peters — and an object described as a “functional improvised explosive device” that was disposed of by a bomb squad and not inspected by any independent party.

The Scottsdale PD has claimed that the paramilitary tactics used in the confrontation were dictated by concerns for the infant’s safety. It’s not clear how shooting the grandfather while he was holding the infant was to the child’s benefit. Another possibility is that Loxas, by virtue of his impassioned political opinions, fit the profile of the dreaded “Sovereign Citizens” movement, which has been designated by the FBI as the most prominent domestic “terrorist” threat — and the most acute threat to “officer safety.”

While Loxas’s behavior and statements were considered troubling by some, it was Peters who clearly posed a danger to himself and others. During his 12-year career, Peters was involved in seven shootings, six of them fatal. His personnel record is replete with complaints about excessive force, including “dozens” of episodes involving Tasers. In 2005, he was disciplined for pointing a gun at his own head.

Peters left the force following the Loxas shooting – but he wasn’t fired. Instead, he received an “accidental disability retirement,” which permits him to collect a full pension. He will probably be able to find employment as a police officer in another jurisdiction. Regina Tasca, who fought the decision to terminate her for more than a year, most likely will lose at least some of her benefits – and, as we will see shortly, she will almost certainly be persona non grata throughout the “law enforcement community.”

In Houston, four police officers were recently suspended for engaging in a scheme to embezzle overtime pay by falsifying traffic tickets. Over the past four years, the officers had fraudulently collected almost one million dollars in overtime. One of them, Senior Officer Matthew Davis, soaked up $347,000 in 2008 alone. Davis had previously been suspended for improperly dismissing tickets at the request of a City Council member.

Davis received a 30-day unpaid suspension, as did fellow Officer Steven Running. Senior Officer Kenneth Bigger was handed a 20-day suspension. The sternest punishment – if the term could be applied here – was imposed on Sergeant Paul Terry, who was suspended for 45 days.

By any rational standard, embezzling a million dollars is a serious crime. Yet none of the officers involved in that felonious conspiracy faced criminal charges. None of them has been required to make restitution. None of them was fired.

Accordingly, it would be reasonable to expect that Regina Tasca’s firing offense would be more serious than defrauding Houston’s tax victims out of a million dollars. As it happens, her offense had nothing to do with corruption of any kind.

On September 22, a Houston Police Officer named Matthew Jacob Martin shot and killed 45-year-old Brian Claunch, a one-armed, one-legged man in a wheelchair who was “armed” with a pen. The victim was an emotionally disturbed man living in a group home for the mentally ill. The caretaker made the reliably fatal mistake of calling the police.

According to Houston PD Spokeswoman Jodi Silva, the shooting was justified because Officer Martin, who was supposedly “trapped” by Claunch, feared “for his partner’s safety and his own safety” despite the fact that they were both young, able-bodied, armed individuals confronting an invalid in a wheelchair who was armed with a writing utensil.

The killing of Brian Claunch, which was not Officer Martin’s first shooting, precipitated a huge public outcry, and the Police Chief has called for a Justice Department investigation. On previous performance it is all but certain that Martin will not be prosecuted, nor is it likely that he will suffer injury to his career.

It so happens that the incident that led to Regina Tasca’s firing offense also involved an emotionally disturbed and unarmed individual who was perceived as a threat to officer safety. Did she shoot and kill the subject, or use disproportionate force in subduing him?

No. As the officer in charge of the situation, Tasca followed the Bogota Police Department’s use-of-force policy to the letter by intervening to protect the victim from a criminal assault committed by an officer from another department.

As Officer Tasca summarized the matter in an interview with Pro Libertate last spring: “I didn’t fail to aid another officer; I acted to stop a beatdown.” Tasca interposed herself to stop Sgt. Joe Rella’s assault on 22-year-old Kyle Sharp, an emotionally troubled young man who had done nothing to justify police violence of any kind.

About two days after the episode, Tasca was labeled a “danger” to her fellow officers and suspended by the department. Following a year of disciplinary reviews, psychological evaluations, and a spurious legal process worthy of the Soviet Union, Tasca was fired.

Tasca was on patrol on April 29, 2011 when she got a call for medical assistance. Former Bogota Council Member Tara Sharp, concerned about the erratic behavior of her son Kyle, called the police to take him to the hospital for a psychological evaluation. As noted earlier, requesting police intervention, particularly in cases of this kind, is never a good idea. Sharp was exceptionally fortunate that Officer Tasca was the first to respond: She has years of experience as an EMT and had just completed specialized training on situations involving psychologically disturbed people.

Once on the scene, Tasca acted quickly to calm down the distraught young man, whose mood changed abruptly when he saw the other officers arrive.
The official report on the matter, which was written by retired Judge Richard Donohue, claims that Kyle “was aggressive [and] started to walk away….” Only someone incurably inhospitable to both logic and honesty would describe walking away as “aggressive” behavior. Kyle also instructed the police not to step on his property, which was a lawful order the police were required to obey. Instead, Sgt. Chris Thibault tackled Kyle, wrapped him in a bear hug, and attempted to handcuff him. Within an instant, Sgt. Joe Rella piled on and began to slug Kyle in the head while his horrified mother screamed at the officers to stop.

According to Thibault, it was necessary to assault Kyle because he believed “danger is near for us if we let this kid go.”

No, really. That’s what Thibault said, under oath, during Tasca’s disciplinary hearing.

Tasca instinctively did what any legitimate peace officer would do: She intervened to protect the victim, pulling Rella off the helpless and battered young man. Tasca’s act was one of instinctive decency, genuine principle, and no small amount of courage. It was also the action dictated by her department’s use-of-force policy, the first page of which specifies that it is “the responsibility of law enforcement to take steps possible to prevent or stop the illegal or inappropriate use of force by other officers.”

In his report on the case, Judge Donohue acknowledged that Tasca acted in compliance with the use-of-force policy – but he dismissed that fact on the preposterous grounds that “no evidence was presented to establish that Officer Tasca even knew about the document.”

Only an uncommonly inventive sophist would pretend that the important question is whether Tasca was aware of the document stating the policy, rather than whether her actions were in accord with that policy.

Earlier in the same month, Tasca had prompted criticism for failing to rush to the aid of her partner, Officer Jay Fowler, during a brief confrontation with a tiny, drunken woman at a hospital. The woman, who was not a criminal suspect, was taken to the hospital for medical attention. She decided to leave, and when Fowler – who had already surrendered custody to the hospital – tried to stop her, the young woman “flailed” her arms, inflicting a small scratch on one of Fowler’s hands that tore open an old scab.

As a result of this “altercation” with a woman whom he outweighed by about 100 pounds, Fowler spent a week on paid medical leave, according to Donohue’s report.

“Nobody had said anything to me about the earlier case until after the incident with the Ridgefield officers,” Tasca pointed out to me. Her refusal to gang-tackle a tiny, confused woman in a hospital, coupled with her active intervention to stop a criminal assault on an unarmed, mentally unbalanced man who was not a criminal suspect, supposedly established a “pattern” of behavior that made Tasca a danger to her fellow officers.

After being put on suspension, Tasca was subjected to a psychological evaluation by Dr. Matthew Geller, a psychiatrist who does contact work for New Jersey law enforcement agencies. Geller’s assessment reads like something compiled by a State-employed psychiatrist in the Brezhnev-era Soviet psihuska. Geller claims that Tasca suffers from something called a “mixed personality disorder,” displaying “a personality type characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiose self-importance and exaggerated sense of talent and achievement.”

This purported dysfunction, once again, wasn’t noticed until after Tasca displayed the character and integrity to take the morally appropriate action – one dictated by the official guidelines of her department – in defiance of pressure from her peers and superiors to conform.

Tasca, an openly gay female police officer, believes that at least some of the problems she’s experienced are the product of a cultural clash with what she describes as “the Old Boys Club.” Judge Donohue’s report mentions two instances in which she was criticized by for not extending what is euphemistically called “professional courtesy” by writing traffic citations against another officer.

Despite such frictions, Tasca’s job appeared secure – until the moment she behaved like a peace officer, rather than a law enforcer, and crossed the “Blue Line” by coming to the defense of Kyle Sharp.

Fidelity to the tribal interests of the punitive priesthood will cover a multitude of crimes, but taking the side of a Mundane being attacked by a member of the Brotherhood is an unpardonable offense.

Anti Federalist
09-30-2012, 01:43 PM
Hmph...A one star rater, with no comment.

Come forward ya coward!

:p

coastie
09-30-2012, 02:04 PM
Hmph...A one star rater, with no comment.

Come forward ya coward!

:p

I voted it up...


...Once I woke to RP and liberty in 2007, I willingly put myself in her position...no, we 'weren't beating down people, but it could have easily gone that way, and, looking back, I can imagine the officer safety excuse coming up in my hearing, being kicked out, etc.....Glad nothing like that ever happened to me.

tod evans
09-30-2012, 02:06 PM
Another 5-star rating...

sailingaway
09-30-2012, 02:09 PM
I think there are a lot of good police officers. It is just such a powerful position that the bad ones are unacceptable

aGameOfThrones
09-30-2012, 02:10 PM
Great, another anti-cop thread from Anti-everything. I hope you have to call the cops when you don't need them.

TheTexan
09-30-2012, 02:11 PM
Her actions were within the "Use of Force" policy.

Policy was followed.



Oh, but pfft, I bet she never even read that policy anyway! Who fucking reads those policy things anyway? She's fired!

TheTexan
09-30-2012, 02:13 PM
Great, another anti-cop thread from Anti-everything. I hope you have to call the cops when you don't need them.


http://cdn.styleforum.net/9/90/909263d6_2291482-not_sure_if_serious.jpeg

Origanalist
09-30-2012, 02:13 PM
That's funny. All the time I've spent here and I never noticed the "rate this thread". Pretty observant eh?

:rolleyes:

Origanalist
09-30-2012, 02:16 PM
Her actions were within the "Use of Force" policy.

Policy was followed.



Oh, but pfft, I bet she never even read that policy anyway! Who fucking reads those policy things anyway? She's fired!

Makes total sense, right?

PaulConventionWV
09-30-2012, 04:36 PM
Great, another anti-cop thread from Anti-everything. I hope you have to call the cops when you don't need them.

Did you read the OP? It would make any normal person's blood boil.

That is, unless you're trolling...

LibertyEagle
09-30-2012, 04:38 PM
Did you read the OP? It would make any normal person's blood boil.

That is, unless you're trolling...

I think he was commenting on the thread title.

squarepusher
09-30-2012, 04:42 PM
5 star thread

presence
09-30-2012, 04:47 PM
That's funny. All the time I've spent here and I never noticed the "rate this thread". Pretty observant eh?

:rolleyes:

Shit... moment of clarity here too... that's how the stars get there. I thought they were editors pics or something.

AGRP
09-30-2012, 05:30 PM
The only safe citizen is one beaten to the brink of death or beyond by those who put their lives on the line. She put everyone in danger that day. I hope he gets a formal apology and a medal of honor.

MelissaWV
09-30-2012, 06:37 PM
When either side uses absolutes, it's a red flag.

aGameOfThrones
09-30-2012, 06:54 PM
Did you read the OP? It would make any normal person's blood boil.

That is, unless you're trolling...

Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous. Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9) Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.

coastie
09-30-2012, 07:25 PM
Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous. Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9) Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.


lol

Dr.3D
09-30-2012, 07:37 PM
Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous. Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9) Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.

LOL, if I was a cop and did that, I think I would quit being a cop.

awake
09-30-2012, 07:42 PM
A police officer does not know the difference from a just law and an unjust law; vice and crime. It would take a Libertarian education to decern between the two. Ever heard of a police officer refusing to enforce an unjust law? Me neither, until then they are robot order takers with habitual immoralists writing the laws for them to not question.

cajuncocoa
09-30-2012, 07:44 PM
5-star rating

Professor8000
09-30-2012, 08:07 PM
Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous. Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9) Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.

OMG! Killing the wrong person must be soooooo stressful for a cop! We get life sentences here for it, if not executed. What does a cop get? Suspension? Damn... Maybe I should go to public law enforcement. Those benefits are sooooooo awesome!

Dr.3D
09-30-2012, 08:14 PM
A police officer does not know the difference from a just law and an unjust law; vice and crime. It would take a Libertarian education to decern between the two. Ever heard of a police officer refusing to enforce an unjust law? Me neither, until then they are robot order takers with habitual immoralists writing the laws for them to not question.
And every new law that goes on the books just makes it that much easier for the average person to run afoul of the law. Inviting someone who believes it is his job to enforce each and every one of those laws, just or not, to come to your aid when you need help, is contrary to the purpose of "protecting and serving."

Protecting and serving who? I guess that would be the question.

From what I've seen, it is about protecting and serving themselves.

phill4paul
09-30-2012, 08:17 PM
Why there are no good cops.

Good cops cost a corrupt system money and legitimacy.

Henry Rogue
09-30-2012, 08:48 PM
That's funny. All the time I've spent here and I never noticed the "rate this thread". Pretty observant eh?

:rolleyes: I also didn't know that. Thread deserves lots of stars. Here is another thread on subject.> http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391019-Regina-Tasca-update-via-Will-Grigg It makes no sense. Do the right thing get fired. Do the wrong thing over and over again department and union protect you. More accurate phrases are "to serve and protect myself" and "the thick blue blanket"

Kylie
09-30-2012, 11:29 PM
I'm telling ya, this is just one of the many reasons why that certain 3 lettered agency bought a shit ton of bullets.

People are going to start fighting back against these bastards, and it's gonna get ugly. REAL UGLY.

Martial law ugly.

Travlyr
10-01-2012, 02:31 AM
Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous. Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9) Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.

Cops do not keep the community safe.

Edit: Perhaps I missed the sarcasm.

Zippyjuan
10-01-2012, 02:35 AM
Good ones don't usually make the news.

Anti Federalist
10-01-2012, 05:56 PM
Good ones don't usually make the news.

You'd be surprised.

I see many every day, actually.

To me it's not news.

"BREAKING - Local man's car starts up properly and he drives to work!"

helmuth_hubener
10-01-2012, 06:05 PM
Why there are no "good cops". What about cops who enforce tariffs and other anti-trade laws? :cool:

aGameOfThrones
10-01-2012, 06:29 PM
Great, another anti-cop thread from Anti-everything. I hope you have to call the cops when you don't need them.

Hey MikeStanart, you neg rep me for this comment ^^^, not cool

Henry Rogue
10-01-2012, 07:16 PM
Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous. Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9) Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.
I think Forum Member Dick Chaney is inspiration for aGameOfThrones' posts. All in jest.

KingNothing
10-01-2012, 07:49 PM
I think there are a lot of good police officers. It is just such a powerful position that the bad ones are unacceptable

I would say that there are a lot of police officers who are like most people; good most of the time, bad a very small portion of the time, and generally indifferent to the actions of others and unwilling to stand up for what is Right when what is Right is not convenient.

torchbearer
10-01-2012, 07:53 PM
cops don't actually protect you. they collect evidence and people for trial and extort people for money.
when someone breaks into my home with evil intent, my glock will be my protection, because when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

amy31416
02-09-2013, 09:20 AM
Hey MikeStanart, you neg rep me for this comment ^^^, not cool

I think you deserved it for that and your other comments in this thread. Surprised that only one person neg-repped you. Here's my impression of you: Oh my deah sweet heavens, it is SOOOooooo very stressful to shoot innocent people and get suspended....my stars!

Meanwhile, the life of an innocent human being is gone. Someone's wife/husband/child/parent...and you whine about the stresses of being suspended.

aGameOfThrones
02-09-2013, 03:25 PM
I think you deserved it for that and your other comments in this thread. Surprised that only one person neg-repped you. Here's my impression of you: Oh my deah sweet heavens, it is SOOOooooo very stressful to shoot innocent people and get suspended....my stars!

Meanwhile, the life of an innocent human being is gone. Someone's wife/husband/child/parent...and you whine about the stresses of being suspended.

After all this time and still...

http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-girl-falls-troll-face.gif

Anti Federalist
02-09-2013, 03:27 PM
After all this time and still...

http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-girl-falls-troll-face.gif

Like old mines left at sea...

AFPVet
02-09-2013, 03:38 PM
The old guard peace officers are long gone....

helmuth_hubener
02-09-2013, 03:42 PM
Like old mines left at sea... So what do you think, AF? What about cops who enforce tariffs and other anti-trade laws? Should we get rid of them, too? Or are they doing the Lord's work? :cool:

amy31416
02-09-2013, 04:04 PM
After all this time and still...

http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-girl-falls-troll-face.gif

I'm only marginally sharper than a complete moron when I've had no sleep. I'll be the first to admit that. Can't see the pic, but I'm sure that "girl-falls-troll-face.gif" is explanation enough. :p

sailingaway
02-09-2013, 04:07 PM
I think there are a lot of good cops. I think the bad ones have so much power over us that it is absolutely unacceptable to allow them to continue, however.

Anti Federalist
02-09-2013, 04:09 PM
So what do you think, AF? What about cops who enforce tariffs and other anti-trade laws? Should we get rid of them, too? Or are they doing the Lord's work? :cool:

No, no love lost.

However, we've got bigger fish to fry right now, than re-hashing trade policy.

The government has declared war on us and that war against us will be prosecuted by any of "them".

Red Green
02-09-2013, 07:32 PM
I think there are a lot of good cops. I think the bad ones have so much power over us that it is absolutely unacceptable to allow them to continue, however.

There are no good cops. Or I should say, there are no long-term good cops. Good cops either get run out of the system or leave in disgust. A good cop does not follow a bad cops lead, so it's really impossible to say that police forces are bad but have good people working in them.

phill4paul
02-09-2013, 07:37 PM
There needs be no good cops if there be enough good citizens.

acptulsa
02-09-2013, 07:37 PM
Police forces differ. Some give a damn about the constituents in their jurisdictions. Some never have. Some never resisted the efforts of the fedgov to influence and corrupt them. Some haven't given in to that.

Yet.

The OP clearly states what we're up against. And we are up against it. The departments where good cops can survive are getting more rare every day.

helmuth_hubener
02-09-2013, 11:51 PM
The occupation of "copping" is inherently evil. Thus, none are good. Just as there are no "good thieves". Though many might otherwise live exemplary lives, in their function as cop, they are evil.

Icymudpuppy
02-10-2013, 12:15 AM
There are no good cops. Or I should say, there are no long-term good cops. Good cops either get run out of the system or leave in disgust. A good cop does not follow a bad cops lead, so it's really impossible to say that police forces are bad but have good people working in them.

Truth I left after only 18 months.

torchbearer
02-10-2013, 10:28 AM
The occupation of "copping" is inherently evil. Thus, none are good. Just as there are no "good thieves". Though many might otherwise live exemplary lives, in their function as cop, they are evil.

in defense of pigs, its the laws they enforce that turn them into enemies, and its the legislature that creates the laws.

Henry Rogue
02-10-2013, 11:31 AM
in defense of pigs, its the laws they enforce that turn them into enemies, and its the legislature that creates the laws.

Which brings us to lawyers.

PaulConventionWV
02-10-2013, 12:06 PM
in defense of pigs, its the laws they enforce that turn them into enemies, and its the legislature that creates the laws.

That's no defense. Pigs should know how to discern between a good law and a bad law. They don't care, though. Why should they? They are immune to the laws and they still collect their paycheck at the end of the day.

If you are a police officer, you are willingly participating in the evil that the legislature has created. If there were no cops, the bad laws would never be enforced. Do you see citizens pulling over other citizens for speeding? The laws are evil, and the cops are bad for enforcing that evil.

Philhelm
02-10-2013, 12:11 PM
Which brings us to lawyers.

Hisssssss!!!!

osan
02-10-2013, 12:28 PM
Yes I did! Being a cop is tough and dangerous.

Proof by assertion? FAIL.

If you look at stats, and no I will not provide them for you as you can do your own research, you may find that being a cop is one of the safest.

The "ooooo... being a cop is so scary and dangerous" appeal to emotion fails with fury when held to the light of scrutiny. Hello.


Do you think that showing up at someone's house by mistake and shooting them to death not stressful? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383379-FL-Cops-show-up-at-wrong-house-kill-man-who-answers-door./page9)

That is not much of an issue. But if it is, then why do they do it so often? Are they THAT fucking retarded, or is there a payoff for them?



Do you understand that a cop could face a suspension? I guess you don't care about removing someone who keeps the community safe.

Troll? Seriously - do you actually believe what you wrote here? Keep the community safe? Do they? Please demonstrate how they do this. I see no evidence to justify their jobs, particularly given the ways in which so many of them discharge their "duties".

If you love them so much, why not marry them and have their babies?

Jesus.

AFPVet
02-10-2013, 12:33 PM
Truth I left after only 18 months.

Yep... a year on the civilian side for me.

osan
02-10-2013, 12:34 PM
There are no good cops because they cannot exist by definition.

There may be good men who are cops, but the assumption of the role makes them rotten by necessity due to the fundamental nature of the job they are charged with doing.

They enforce laws that are immoral, unjust, and in fact, criminal. This alone assassinates the character of all who take up badge and gun pursuant to the arbitrary and criminal statutes of the so-called "state".

I don't give a liquid shit how good a man you are. When you take up the role you become a devil and an enemy of everything that is right and decent about humanity. You become the destroyer of freedom and you are therefore the sworn enemy of all free men.