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donnay
09-23-2012, 05:31 PM
More on Why Ron Paul’s Libertarian Fans Need to Support Our Constitution…and Romney

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by Kurt Schlichter (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/23/Why-Libertarians-Need-To-Vote-Romney-Part-II?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Fe ed%29)

More than 3100 people have commented on Tuesday’s Big Government post “Time for Ron Paul Fans to Support the Constitution.” Many agreed with my thesis that libertarians should support Mitt Romney to avoid a second Obama term, but many did not. The huge response is an indicator of how the looming specter of another four years of Obama has focused minds in the libertarian community.

Unfortunately, many libertarians are focused on the wrong things. They are trading the chance to make a short-term statement for the long-term destruction of libertarianism, and perhaps even of their country.

Libertarians need to play the long-game if they ever want to stop being a fringe movement. And folks, vindictively boycotting Mitt in the name of ideological purity isn’t it.

A significant number of libertarians have decided that Mitt Romney, while highly imperfect in their eyes, is the only hope of evading the much greater danger of Barack Obama, who if he isn’t a socialist does one hell of an impression of one. With his gleeful disregard of the Bill of Rights and his collectivist’s love of “redistribution” from those who own property to those he decides deserve it more, you would think Obama was as toxic to libertarians as non-locally sourced-garlic is to hipster vampires.

But some libertarians, as the comments make clear, have something other than a principled if short-sighted opposition to supporting Romney.

If you truly believe that American foreign policy is evil, if the Patriot Act is the end of the world, and if the drug war’s anti-bong hit agenda is so awful that you can’t support anyone who supports them, I get it. It’s not really wise, because Obama supports so many other things that should appall libertarians that Romney practically looks like a less animated Gary Johnson in comparison. But I get the principle.

The problem is the pouters, the angry and the attention seeking, who see this moment as the one time, ever, that anyone gives a half-damn about their grievances. And no, they are not letting that chance to be in the spotlight slip away.

They are making sure that every conservative knows that when Mitt Romney loses it’s because the GOP dared to pick a nominee who didn’t meet their standards, who wasn’t their guy. They want to make sure the country pays the price because they think Ron Paul got dissed in Tampa and because Gary Johnson didn’t get allowed into the debates. In fact, they seem delighted to rub it in.

Well, everyone knows. Every GOP voter knows that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson ran, and lost, and then decided not to support the candidate of the party they chose to join but to go home and ensure their party (and our country) pay the price.

Yeah, we know. And we’ll remember who expected respect but felt no obligation to do what losing factions are expected to do after the primary season – paste on a fake smile, high five the winner, and go to work.

Here’s a long-game question for libertarians. It’s not a question about who is a sore loser or who disrespected whom. It’s not a question that tries to shame you into supporting Romney, or to convince you his policies are so different than Obama’s that it makes you agree to back the GOP in November.

It’s a question about what you really want for libertarianism.

Here it is:

Remember the Greens?

I do, vaguely. I remember them as Ralph Nader’s quixotic campaign from the left in 2000 that Democrats are convinced, with some evidence, cost Al Gore the election.

Not too many Greens around today, huh? Guess that whole ideological purity thing didn’t work out so hot for them.

A libertarian candidate needs 50% + 1 of the voters’ support to win office. Where do you think that support is ever going to come from?

From Democrats? Yeah, right. They’ll like you on gay marriage and chronic and nothing else. Your love of capitalism repels them, and your hostility toward their all-powerful god, Government, means they can never be with you.

Your support in the future, if you are ever to become more than an asterisk, will have to come from conservative Republicans. Those are the people you’ll need to convince to join you.

But let me be clear about this – if you are seen as bringing us four more years of collectivist transformation because your feelings were hurt, libertarianism will never be more than a punch line.

That’s not a threat. That’s just a fact.

You’ll alienate the only possibly receptive wider audience libertarianism has. And if you think people won’t go out of the way to screw folks who they feel screwed them, well, isn’t that exactly what you’re talking about doing this November?

Of course, that assumes that you really want to see your libertarian ideas grow and spread and flourish in this country, and someday see a libertarian become president so he or she can start doing all the things you libertarians have always talked about but never had a chance to do.

But maybe that’s not the primary motivation. Maybe a lot of people who proudly call themselves “libertarians” just want to bask in the attention they get when courted by the GOP because the race is so close. After all, a lot of spineless GOP RINOs were perfectly satisfied to be in the minority for years and years. There’s a kind of comfort in knowing you’ll always lose – it means you never have to worry about getting serious.

You want to send a message this election. You need to think about what that message is. Your problem, if you truly care about growing libertarianism in the future, is that the people you’re enjoying vexing today will send libertarians a message right back in the future. And that message is anatomically impossible for any but the most limber of gymnasts.

But then, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe alienating your potential converts is a brilliant counter-intuitive strategy that I’m just too dumb to see.

Or maybe you should talk to the Greens and see how it worked out for them.

Kurt Schlichter’s No. 1 Amazon Political Humor e-book “I Am a Liberal: A Conservative’s Guide to Nature’s Most Irritating Mistake” is now out on Amazon.

Sola_Fide
09-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Unfortunately, many libertarians are focused on the wrong things. They are trading the chance to make a short-term statement for the long-term destruction of libertarianism, and perhaps even of their country.


Haha...whatever. The Bushes and the Romneys of the world do much greater damage to our ideas than Obama.

KCIndy
09-23-2012, 07:04 PM
Blah blah blah...

Blah blah BLAAH Blaah...

Lesser of Two Evils.... please don't let the guy I don't like win...

Blah blah blah... blah blah blah...


Jeez. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

opal
09-23-2012, 07:15 PM
*cough BULLSHIT cough*

BSU kid
09-23-2012, 07:16 PM
I read 3 lines, vomited and resumed my homework. Lol, this guy is a joke. :D

TCE
09-23-2012, 07:47 PM
"Vote for our guy today and we'll vote for your guy some time in the future." or "You're a Republican, vote Republican, always." Then, when our guy gets the nomination, they all abstain from voting or vote for the Democrat anyway. I'll pass.

acptulsa
09-23-2012, 07:54 PM
More on Why Ron Paul’s Libertarian Fans Need to Support Our Constitution…and Romney

I think he means or Romney


More than 3100 people have commented on Tuesday’s Big Government post “Time for Ron Paul Fans to Support the Constitution.” Many agreed with my thesis that libertarians should support Mitt Romney to avoid a second Obama term, but many did not. The huge response is an indicator of how the looming specter of another four years of Obama has focused minds in the libertarian community.

Unfortunately, many libertarians are focused on the wrong things. They are trading the chance to make a short-term statement for the long-term destruction of libertarianism, and perhaps even of their country.

We are trading a statement for destruction? So we don't get to make a statement and we cause destruction? When we want to make a statement, we make it; when you want to destroy something, you don't need our help. Is English this clown's second language?


Libertarians need to play the long-game if they ever want to stop being a fringe movement. And folks, vindictively boycotting Mitt in the name of ideological purity isn’t it.

What if we boycott Mitt for vindictively boycotting us?


A significant number of libertarians have decided that Mitt Romney, while highly imperfect in their eyes, is the only hope of evading the much greater danger of Barack Obama, who if he isn’t a socialist does one hell of an impression of one. With his gleeful disregard of the Bill of Rights and his collectivist’s love of “redistribution” from those who own property to those he decides deserve it more, you would think Obama was as toxic to libertarians as non-locally sourced-garlic is to hipster vampires.

Romney's imperfections in our eyes include fascism (or one hell of an impression of it), gleeful disregard of the other half of the Bill of Rights, and Bain's redistribution of jobs to countries Mitt decided needed them more.


But some libertarians, as the comments make clear, have something other than a principled if short-sighted opposition to supporting Romney.

If you truly believe that American foreign policy is evil, if the Patriot Act is the end of the world, and if the drug war’s anti-bong hit agenda is so awful that you can’t support anyone who supports them, I get it. It’s not really wise, because Obama supports so many other things that should appall libertarians that Romney practically looks like a less animated Gary Johnson in comparison. But I get the principle.

If you get the principle, why are you playing one evil off against the other in support of those who don't get the principle of liberty? Because you get the principle of liberty but would rather have the money?


The problem is the pouters, the angry and the attention seeking, who see this moment as the one time, ever, that anyone gives a half-damn about their grievances. And no, they are not letting that chance to be in the spotlight slip away.

They are making sure that every conservative knows that when Mitt Romney loses it’s because the GOP dared to pick a nominee who didn’t meet their standards, who wasn’t their guy. They want to make sure the country pays the price because they think Ron Paul got dissed in Tampa and because Gary Johnson didn’t get allowed into the debates. In fact, they seem delighted to rub it in.

Especially since it has been business as usual for forty or fifty years, and the whole time the nation has been sliding into fascism. If rubbing it in wakes people up, sure, we're delighted. And if these awakened people reverse the slide, we're delirious with joy.


Well, everyone knows.

Hardly. We saw the convention coverage, Ace. The cameras always seemed to be pointed elsewhere while we were being bent over.


Every GOP voter knows that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson ran, and lost, and then decided not to support the candidate of the party they chose to join but to go home and ensure their party (and our country) pay the price.

Yeah, we know. And we’ll remember who expected respect but felt no obligation to do what losing factions are expected to do after the primary season – paste on a fake smile, high five the winner, and go to work.

Don't recall the Romanovs doing this after the Bolsheviks defeated them. Of course, this may be because they were bleeding in the cellar.


Here’s a long-game question for libertarians. It’s not a question about who is a sore loser or who disrespected whom. It’s not a question that tries to shame you into supporting Romney, or to convince you his policies are so different than Obama’s that it makes you agree to back the GOP in November.

It’s a question about what you really want for libertarianism.

You've already failed. We don't want anything for libertarianism. We want libertarianism for ourselves, yourselves and the nation. And that's because we want liberty. But don't let that stop you from blathering. You may want this or that for your party, but to us, politics is a means to an end--liberty.


Here it is:

Remember the Greens?

I do, vaguely. I remember them as Ralph Nader’s quixotic campaign from the left in 2000 that Democrats are convinced, with some evidence, cost Al Gore the election.

That, Dubya's brother's shenanigans in Florida, the Supreme Court and a bunch of questionable crap that would have made Nixon proud.


Not too many Greens around today, huh? Guess that whole ideological purity thing didn’t work out so hot for them.

Can't say they've gotten the change they hoped for. But then, Dubya didn't give us the nonintervention he promised in 2000 either, did he?


A libertarian candidate needs 50% + 1 of the voters’ support to win office. Where do you think that support is ever going to come from?

From Democrats? Yeah, right. They’ll like you on gay marriage and chronic and nothing else. Your love of capitalism repels them, and your hostility toward their all-powerful god, Government, means they can never be with you.

Maybe. But they're so unhappy with the corruption Dubya let into the federal government that we're doing a fine job of getting them on board with the promise that the Constitution doesn't disallow the massive government at the state level. Both the Democrats and you turkeys have created a massive, corrupt federal government--in a bipartisan manner. At least our way they can have their socialism while we move to the state next door. And if you idiots want to take over Texas and use the militia to attack Belize just for grins, well, hell. More power to you.


Your support in the future, if you are ever to become more than an asterisk, will have to come from conservative Republicans. Those are the people you’ll need to convince to join you.

Most of them have. The few who voted for Romney in the primaries did it because you frghtened them into it by running that scary jackass Gingrich. The rest are rabid chickenhawks--a disease that seems to be incurable--and does not a real conservative make.


But let me be clear about this – if you are seen as bringing us four more years of collectivist transformation because your feelings were hurt, libertarianism will never be more than a punch line.

That’s not a threat. That’s just a fact.

Now let me be clear about this: There's a saying in Texas--maybe it's in Tennessee--fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice---you can't get fooled again.

In other words, you neocons have been a punch line for some time. The only reason you haven't seen us laughing is because you're the unfunniest punch line since ever.


You’ll alienate the only possibly receptive wider audience libertarianism has. And if you think people won’t go out of the way to screw folks who they feel screwed them, well, isn’t that exactly what you’re talking about doing this November?

Well, gee. We have irreconcilable differences, and you want us to turn the other cheek like the good Christians you guys claim to, but fail to, be. What a wonderful opportunity for us.


Of course, that assumes that you really want to see your libertarian ideas grow and spread and flourish in this country, and someday see a libertarian become president so he or she can start doing all the things you libertarians have always talked about but never had a chance to do.

We're obviously already seeing that, or you'd still consider us They Who Must Not Be Named.


But maybe that’s not the primary motivation. Maybe a lot of people who proudly call themselves “libertarians” just want to bask in the attention they get when courted by the GOP because the race is so close. After all, a lot of spineless GOP RINOs were perfectly satisfied to be in the minority for years and years. There’s a kind of comfort in knowing you’ll always lose – it means you never have to worry about getting serious.

Once again, if we had never gotten serious you would still be ignoring us.


You want to send a message this election. You need to think about what that message is. Your problem, if you truly care about growing libertarianism in the future, is that the people you’re enjoying vexing today will send libertarians a message right back in the future. And that message is anatomically impossible for any but the most limber of gymnasts.

And then there will be two groups who don't have the numbers to beat the Democrats--the ones who are just exactly like the Democrats on every practical point, and us.


But then, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe alienating your potential converts is a brilliant counter-intuitive strategy that I’m just too dumb to see.

Maybe? How's it working out for Romney, asshole?


Or maybe you should talk to the Greens and see how it worked out for them.

We're already talking to the Greens. Hell, Nader all but endorsed us. What we're after is seeing how this consortium can work to finally either make you honest, or consign you to your proper place on the dustbin of history.


For the tl,dr crowd, the short version: You're no better than the Democrats (in fact, it's hard to tell you apart from them) and you've never once proven trustworthy enough to collaborate with. So, time to lose. Again. Enjoy.

RDM
09-23-2012, 07:57 PM
A libertarian candidate needs 50% + 1 of the voters’ support to win office.

Sorry. Wrong logic. Libertarian only needs 34% of the vote in a three man race.

acptulsa
09-23-2012, 08:02 PM
Sorry. Wrong logic. Libertarian only needs 34% of the vote in a three man race.

Math runs on logic and logic in no way furthers this turkey's agenda.

Anti Federalist
09-23-2012, 08:05 PM
We're at the "You're going to wreck what we had, you fucking asshole" stage of an abusive, drunken spouse's rant as the victim walks out the door.


What a woman beater mentality.

"You're a whore, you're filth and can't do any better than me.
Quit fooling yourself you stupid cow.
Hey!
Where ya going baby?
You try to leave me and you'll just make things worse for yourself.
Baby I love you!
Get back here you slut!
We're a team!
Go ahead, leave, destroy what we had you bitch.
You're breaking my heart!
I thought you loved me!
You'll regret this!
You've ruined it for us!"

Brett85
09-23-2012, 08:22 PM
The bottom line is that if the GOP actually wants the votes of libertarians and Constitutionalists, they should work to earn their votes, not alienate them by saying that they'll go to war with Iran as soon as sworn in.

Anti Federalist
09-23-2012, 08:37 PM
Is English this clown's second language?

Best Deconstruction Ever.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjo24RVj61qcpgr3o1_500.gif

NO ONE BUT PAUL!!!!!

anaconda
09-23-2012, 09:10 PM
That article was silly. One of the dumbest assertions, IMHO, was that there will be blow back from the GOP in the future. On the contrary, not voting for Romney will underscore the weakness of their small tent, and make us one of the most identifiable assets for reshaping and building their party. Unless they want to follow a pattern of increasingly big losses in the future.

anaconda
09-23-2012, 09:13 PM
I have never heard of "Kurt Schlicter."

Working Poor
09-23-2012, 09:22 PM
I ain't voting for Romney no way.

Cleaner44
09-23-2012, 09:37 PM
Smell the fear... :)

The neocons fear the Obama win more than we do. We can do this election after election until they decide they want to win with us. It will be on our terms, not theirs. They can chose to stop the insanity anytime they want, all they have to do is reject BIG GOVT liberals that call themselves Republicans.

DGambler
09-23-2012, 09:40 PM
I'm confused, I thought all the talking heads and mainstream GOP'ers said they didn't need us. That's what the fuck I heard loud and clear during the primaries and at the RNC.

You made your damn bed and you are damn well going to sleep in it asshole.

Athan
09-23-2012, 10:04 PM
Dude, why post this bullshit propaganda here? I'm going to have to give you a negative rep now donnay.

donnay
09-23-2012, 10:25 PM
Dude, why post this bullshit propaganda here? I'm going to have to give you a negative rep now donnay.

I posted it in the "media spin." This is coming from breitbart, by the way. And don't call me, Dude!

Origanalist
09-23-2012, 10:25 PM
I have never heard of "Kurt Schlicter."

What is a "Kurt Schlicter?

ClydeCoulter
09-23-2012, 10:34 PM
I wasted some time reading comments. Most of the newer ones are from real Paul supporters and Libertarians. But, the default sort is "Older to newer" so you see their front loaded "I'm a lifelong libertarian and I'm wholeheartedly voting for Romney" crap :mad:

RDM
09-23-2012, 10:39 PM
What is a "Kurt Schlicter?

I think he's related to Hurt Sphincter

donnay
09-23-2012, 10:56 PM
What is a "Kurt Schlicter?

He is related to Anal Sphincter.

heavenlyboy34
09-23-2012, 11:04 PM
He is related to Anal Sphincter. Lolz :D

Origanalist
09-23-2012, 11:15 PM
I think he's related to Hurt Sphincter



He is related to Anal Sphincter.

The name does bring up some strange mental images, does it not?