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donnay
09-22-2012, 09:03 PM
You want to know what they are teaching in government schools--take a listen to this propaganda. And the mother stands by and just smiles at her daughters loving words. :rolleyes:

Green-Washing a Young Mind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVByNJ13Mk&feature=player_embedded

Austrian Econ Disciple
09-22-2012, 09:07 PM
As I always say, start with yourself.

dbill27
09-22-2012, 09:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2zZa9vz1Rk

fr33
09-22-2012, 09:14 PM
That girl looks coached in her answers and who's the blonde bimbo smiling...

I don't doubt they are teaching that crap. They were when I was in school. Our class "adopted an acre of the rainforest". I'm sure that was a good scam for someone. We each gave a dollar.

Danke
09-22-2012, 09:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Miv4NHsDo

Origanalist
09-22-2012, 09:18 PM
You want to know what they are teaching in government schools--take a listen to this propaganda. And the mother stands by and just smiles at her daughters loving words. :rolleyes:

Green-Washing a Young Mind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVByNJ13Mk&feature=player_embedded

Ackk!! Just coughed up another hairball. So many young minds poisoned by progressive schools, it's sickening to even think about it.

liberty2897
09-22-2012, 09:19 PM
Q: What is the most serious threat facing humanity today?

A: Human existance.


If she had stopped there with her answer, I would have to agree. There are 7+ Billion and growing exponentially. Right now, energy is essentially free enabling the largest population ever. When oil production (almost free energy right now) can no longer can keep up with the demand, shit will get *real* in a hurry. You can only live on credit with no payments for so long before the balance is insurmountable.

On the good side, once fossil fuels are depleted, nobody will be bitching about global warming anymore.

Origanalist
09-22-2012, 09:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Miv4NHsDo

Carlin nails it again.

donnay
09-22-2012, 09:24 PM
UN General Assembly: a scene from the Star Wars’ bar

By Brian Sussman (http://www.theclimategatebook.com/un-general-assembly-a-scene-from-the-star-wars-bar/)

This week marks the opening of the 67th session at United Nations Headquarters in New York. I’m not a big fan of the U.N.; in fact I agree with former U.S. Ambassador John Bolton who once said, “There are 38 floors to the UN building in New York. If you lost 10 of them, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.”

In my most recent book, Eco-Tyranny, I discuss the United Nation’s involvement in concocting the environmental agenda that is being used to destroy free markets, kill capitalism, and thwart liberty. Here are the opening paragraphs to Chapter Three in which I liken representatives of the UN to the goony characters from the well-known Star Wars’ bar scene:

I have always envisioned the innards of the United Nations’ headquarters as resembling Chalmun’s Cantina—a.k.a. the fictional bar from the Star Wars universe, located in the pirate city of Mos Eisley on the planet Tatooine. Chalmun’s was the haunt for a variety of weird looking creatures of various alien races. While some of the cantina’s odd patrons appear content sipping fancy beverages, smoking elaborate pipes and listening to the tootling sounds of Figrin D’an and the Modal Nodes, others are ripe to take the head off the first hooligan who gives them a wrong glance.

Goony characters in some ways similar to those patronizing Chalmun’s populate the halls of the United Nations. I’m convinced many U.N. ambassadors and bureaucrats would barely bat an eye if they were suddenly beamed into the faraway fictional cantina. After all, the United Nations is the only place in the universe where communists, socialists, Islamists, strongmen, thugs, and dictators are able to cast a vote equal to that of countries beholden to principles of freedom and liberty. The U.N. has always called this “justice”—I call it travesty.

Founded in 1945, the U.N. has unmistakably failed in its primary mission to rid the world “from the scourge of war.” However, they have fared much better in their secondary pledge “to promote social progress.”

On its own, social progress is one of those slogans that sounds typically benign:
“Yeah, sure. Social progress. I’m all for it.”

But like most left-oriented expressions, there is a sinister translation.

Social progress is a concept that was hashed out by Karl Marx’s mentor, George Hegel. Hegel believed human progress was not about the inalienable rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness; those rights, Hegel was convinced, were ideas born of irrational feelings—mere products of the mind. Instead, social progress, according to Hegel, is a freedom that can be achieved only when granted by the state. “The state,” he declared, “in and by itself is the ethical whole, the actualization of freedom.”[1]

Hegel theorized that if carried out properly, this government-based freedom would progress society into a communal world void of oppression, discrimination and poverty. He also supposed that social progress promised living without the moral constraints imposed by religion and notions of absolute truth.

While Hegel regarded himself as a philosopher, Marx’s personal reflection was that of an engineer designing the master plan for global transformation. In reference to his mentor, Hegel, Marx said, “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.”[2]

So, it’s important to remember, when you hear the term “social progress” (or even the abridged version, “progress”) in the context of political discourse, it is immediately recognized by those aligned on the political left as code for instituting a heavy-handed form of government which limits rights, controls the economy, redistributes wealth and determines morality.

This is what the U.N. stands for. Their unstated, but well understood goal is to institute such a system in the United States of America. Their master plan for accomplishing this stratagem is the green agenda.

Editor’s note: Brian Sussman is an award winning meteorologist and hosts the morning show on radio station KSFO in San Francisco with Melanie Morgan. Sussman has received Emmy awards for his television work and his radio show is the highest rated program in morning. Take that foolish critics.
[1] Georg Hegel, Philosophy of Right, Part Three: Ethical Life, The State, section 258, (1820)

[2] Karl Marx, Eleventh Thesis on Feuerbach, (1845), emphasis mine.

Danke
09-22-2012, 09:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO1dLgetchU&feature=fvwp

donnay
09-22-2012, 09:31 PM
If she had stopped there with her answer, I would have to agree. There are 7+ Billion and growing exponentially. Right now, energy is essentially free enabling the largest population ever. When oil production (almost free energy right now) can no longer can keep up with the demand, shit will get *real* in a hurry. You can only live on credit with no payments for so long before the balance is insurmountable.

On the good side, once fossil fuels are depleted, nobody will be bitching about global warming anymore.


Then you must have been a graduate of government schools? Government are the ones who waste precious resources and their crony corporations they protect are the biggest polluters. Something to think about. It is also government and their cronies who will not allow people to use alternative energy. If there was a truly free market and no monopolies, the people could achieve all sorts of alternatives to energy.

awake
09-22-2012, 09:32 PM
Government schools teach government programs. Public schools are not about knowledge, it's about producing servile minds who won't tip over the apple cart of the state. More precisly, those who will not point out that both the cart and the apples are stolen.

liberty2897
09-22-2012, 09:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO1dLgetchU&feature=fvwp

I watched the video, but I didn't hear a single word she said.

Origanalist
09-22-2012, 09:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO1dLgetchU&feature=fvwp

What the hell did she say? Something about the earth I think..........................

Origanalist
09-22-2012, 09:35 PM
I watched the video, but I didn't hear a single word she said.

Ha! I wonder how many others have the same focusing problem?

donnay
09-22-2012, 09:38 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CDt7RX_OWRw/ThUo-ta--xI/AAAAAAAAAH4/CtFM5PvZCk0/s1600/3stooges_face_palm.jpg#best%20facepalm

liberty2897
09-22-2012, 09:40 PM
Then you must have been a graduate of government schools? Government are the ones who waste precious resources and their crony corporations they protect are the biggest polluters. Something to think about. It is also government and their cronies who will not allow people to use alternative energy. If there was a truly free market and no monopolies, the people could achieve all sorts of alternatives to energy.

donnay, I hear what you are saying, but I don't think you heard what I said? When it comes to "saving the Earth", I'm very much like George Carlin in the video that was just posted. I have been for 30+ years. In the past couple of years, I have come to the realization that what has enabled all the modern technology that you and I have grown up with and taken for granted is "free energy". Oil and Coal is what I'm referring to. The Earth will be just fine regardless of what we do. I'm not worried about carbon emissions. I'm just talking about population overgrowth and the pain that *will* be realized if we don't use some of this precious energy that enables development of new technology. Sorry, but all the hydrogen, wind power, nuclear, bio-fuels shit that you can think of do not even come close... not even close to the energy we get from fossil fuels. In the not so distant future, people will be wondering how are we going to feed all the masses much more than why is my monthly electric bill more than I make in 6 months?

awake
09-22-2012, 09:48 PM
Strict and unabridgable private property rights is the ONLY way to proper protection of the Earth and its resources. It's too bad they don't teach this in school.

donnay
09-22-2012, 09:58 PM
donnay, I hear what you are saying, but I don't think you heard what I said? When it comes to "saving the Earth", I'm very much like George Carlin in the video that was just posted. I have been for 30+ years. In the past couple of years, I have come to the realization that what has enabled all the modern technology that you and I have grown up with and taken for granted is "free energy". Oil and Coal is what I'm referring to. The Earth will be just fine regardless of what we do. I'm not worried about carbon emissions. I'm just talking about population overgrowth and the pain that *will* be realized if we don't use some of this precious energy that enables development of new technology. Sorry, but all the hydrogen, wind power, nuclear, bio-fuels shit that you can think of do not even come close... not even close to the energy we get from fossil fuels. In the not so distant future, people will be wondering how are we going to feed all the masses much more than why is my monthly electric bill more than I make in 6 months?

And look what government is doing to Coal? It is government whose interference that has stymied any alternative technology and inventions. The reason government interferes so much is the Corporate Cronies have most of them on their payrolls.

liberty2897
09-22-2012, 10:11 PM
And look what government is doing to Coal? It is government who interference that has stymied any alternative technology and inventions. The reason government interferes so much is the Corporate Cronies have most of them on their payrolls.

Again, no argument from me on your point. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to derail your thread. Not sure what you think I'm saying, but I noticed that you did leave out the question/answer part of my original post in this thread in your first quoted response to me. My original point is that I agreed with the first part of the girls statement which was essentially "the biggest threat to humanity is human existence". I didn't say anything about pollution or government being able to solve problems etc. I'm ready to get rid of all government if possible. Does that help clarify my position on that?

Here is a video that explains the reason I'm concerned about energy for the future. Fossil fuel energy is what has enabled pretty much every modern thing including a population that has grown by 7 orders of magnitude since its discovery.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mKZcCVIPI&feature=related

donnay
09-23-2012, 01:09 AM
Again, no argument from me on your point. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to derail your thread. Not sure what you think I'm saying, but I noticed that you did leave out the question/answer part of my original post in this thread in your first quoted response to me. My original point is that I agreed with the first part of the girls statement which was essentially "the biggest threat to humanity is human existence". I didn't say anything about pollution or government being able to solve problems etc. I'm ready to get rid of all government if possible. Does that help clarify my position on that?

Here is a video that explains the reason I'm concerned about energy for the future. Fossil fuel energy is what has enabled pretty much every modern thing including a population that has grown by 7 orders of magnitude since its discovery.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mKZcCVIPI&feature=related

No need to worry about derailing my thread, I honestly don't mind, especially when someone is of the belief that oil will peak and we will eventually run out. I believe it is another elaborate government hoax.

I have read geologist reports that in the U.S. alone, we have, already in the drilling areas enough oil to last us 100 years. That does not include areas where we have yet to drill.

Henry Kissinger declared in the 1970’s, ‘If you control the oil you control the country; if you control food, you control the population."

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/437079/how_a_22yearold_student_uncovered_peak_oil_fraud.h tml
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/confessionsexpeakoilbeliever14sep07.shtml
http://www.infowars.com/articles/economy/peak_oil_index.htm
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40667
http://rense.com/general69/noncrisis.htm
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=63&contentid=2170&page=2
http://rense.com/general75/zoil.htm

Carson
09-23-2012, 01:20 AM
My Grandmother told me how the doomsdayers in her day had it calculated out when we would all be buried up to our necks in horse shit.




P.S. She also told me how in one town she lived in the ladies in the neighborhood would race each other to see who could get to the horse manure first when the delivery carts were going by. They wanted it for their potted plants and gardens.


I don't remember the year of Doooooom! they had figured but I'll imagine it is long past.

moostraks
09-23-2012, 08:08 AM
In the not so distant future, people will be wondering how are we going to feed all the masses much more than why is my monthly electric bill more than I make in 6 months?

The same government schools which are pushing the overpopulation argument are not educating students to be self sufficient. These same governments are also outlawing what is the answer to the food solution:

For over a decade, we have proved that growing ones' own food can be sustainable, practical, successful and beautiful in urban areas. We harvest 3 tons of organic food annually from our 1/10 acre garden while incorporating many back-to-basics practices, solar energy and biodiesel in order to reduce our footprint on the earth’s resources
http://urbanhomestead.org/
So what about the deserts?

Greening the Desert

Food Forests, Fungi, Land, Rehabilitation, Salination, Soil Biology, Swales, Trees
http://permaculture.org.au/2007/03/01/greening-the-desert-now-on-youtube/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sohI6vnWZmk

Agricultural corporations do not want the individual self sufficient. The food shortage issue can be solved. They don't care about a food crisis, they are pushing for it as it will drive up profits. By keeping humanity at a level of dependents in debt to the company store while "they" (tptb) own large plots of land and the only rights to be producers, they eliminate any competition and keep the eaters from fouling up their privacy or being a threat to their businesses. Unsustainable population growth is their lie to perpetrate fear and cement the chains of dependency, much as Islamofascism is being used to promote unfettered surveillance and control.

Henry Rogue
09-23-2012, 08:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO1dLgetchU&feature=fvwp
I wish she was my teacher. ;)

ghengis86
09-23-2012, 08:42 AM
The same government schools which are pushing the overpopulation argument are not educating students to be self sufficient. These same governments are also outlawing what is the answer to the food solution:

http://urbanhomestead.org/
So what about the deserts?

http://permaculture.org.au/2007/03/01/greening-the-desert-now-on-youtube/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sohI6vnWZmk

Agricultural corporations do not want the individual self sufficient. The food shortage issue can be solved. They don't care about a food crisis, they are pushing for it as it will drive up profits. By keeping humanity at a level of dependents in debt to the company store while "they" (tptb) own large plots of land and the only rights to be producers, they eliminate any competition and keep the eaters from fouling up their privacy or being a threat to their businesses. Unsustainable population growth is their lie to perpetrate fear and cement the chains of dependency, much as Islamofascism is being used to promote unfettered surveillance and control.

i heard someone say something to the effective of, "Look at the homes and businesses around you. Imagine if all of those landscaped yards were planted with fruit trees instead of maples or firs or ferns. There would never be a shortage of food, ever."

What if all municipalities planted fruit bearing trees throughout their towns? And every house on the block had a couple apple and pear trees? And a couple of strawberry and low-bush blueberry plants? Food banks would be overflowing with produce. We wouldn't know what to do with all the excess.


Anyway, back on topic; government schools produce government drones. Simple as that. Why would they teach anything that would threaten their existence? It's like Mitt Romney was saying, why would the 47% dependent on government vote to slit their own throat and reduce government?

Henry Rogue
09-23-2012, 03:58 PM
OK I'll imagine it. The benevolent Government Central Planners decide to plant thousands of fruit trees throughout all the municipalities in the country. Once the trees become mature and begin bearing fruit, prices of fruit drop dramatically indicating to producers for profit to cease production and find other things to produce that where previously not as profitable or suited for that land to grow. Meanwhile many in the public with no invested interest in the trees that where planted for them neglect the trees and the fruit leaving it to rot on the grown or throw it in the trash quickly filling the land fills. the land owners who use to grow fruit, seeing a profit to be made, dig big holes in their fields to make new land fills. The municipalities fine city property owners for not removing the slippery fruit from the sidewalks. lawsuits ensue from broken hips. A shortage of fruit developes. the government declares a state of emergency and arrest anyone who doesnt pick the fruit and can it. Creating a Department of Canned Fruit.

donnay
09-23-2012, 04:58 PM
OK I'll imagine it. The benevolent Government Central Planners decide to plant thousands of fruit trees throughout all the municipalities in the country. Once the trees become mature and begin bearing fruit, prices of fruit drop dramatically indicating to producers for profit to cease production and find other things to produce that where previously not as profitable or suited for that land to grow. Meanwhile many in the public with no invested interest in the trees that where planted for them neglect the trees and the fruit leaving it to rot on the grown or throw it in the trash quickly filling the land fills. the land owners who use to grow fruit, seeing a profit to be made, dig big holes in their fields to make new land fills. The municipalities fine city property owners for not removing the slippery fruit from the sidewalks. lawsuits ensue from broken hips. A shortage of fruit developes. the government declares a state of emergency and arrest anyone who doesnt pick the fruit and can it. Creating a Department of Canned Fruit.

:rolleyes: That makes sense.

Anti Federalist
09-23-2012, 05:18 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mind-blown-32.jpg?w=500&h=404

fr33
09-23-2012, 05:51 PM
OK I'll imagine it. The benevolent Government Central Planners decide to plant thousands of fruit trees throughout all the municipalities in the country. Once the trees become mature and begin bearing fruit, prices of fruit drop dramatically indicating to producers for profit to cease production and find other things to produce that where previously not as profitable or suited for that land to grow. Meanwhile many in the public with no invested interest in the trees that where planted for them neglect the trees and the fruit leaving it to rot on the grown or throw it in the trash quickly filling the land fills. the land owners who use to grow fruit, seeing a profit to be made, dig big holes in their fields to make new land fills. The municipalities fine city property owners for not removing the slippery fruit from the sidewalks. lawsuits ensue from broken hips. A shortage of fruit developes. the government declares a state of emergency and arrest anyone who doesnt pick the fruit and can it. Creating a Department of Canned Fruit.A better solution would be to repeal laws that prohibit people within city limits from growing or raising their own food instead of depending on parks and rec to do it.


With all that is said, overpopulation is something to consider and it is something set into place by statists. The majority of people are utterly dependent on the agricultural industry and the trucking industry.

NorfolkPCSolutions
09-23-2012, 07:20 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mind-blown-32.jpg?w=500&h=404

ha

Henry Rogue
09-23-2012, 08:29 PM
A better solution would be to repeal laws that prohibit people within city limits from growing or raising their own food instead of depending on parks and rec to do it.


With all that is said, overpopulation is something to consider and it is something set into place by statists. The majority of people are utterly dependent on the agricultural industry and the trucking industry.
Yes I agree with that I'm always for more freedom. Actually before i started learning about economics and division of labor, I dreamed of one day being totally self-sufficient. However unrealistic that was. I still think people should be as self-sufficient as practicable. I agree with your second sentence too. IMO alot of things attributed to the Free Market is really the result of government intervention. take the Eisenhower Interstate System, it created a need for more cars (the car bubble) which ceated more pollution, more deaths by accident, more police (state patrol) through ease of movement from city to city more interaction of people which may have help increase the birth rate, more crime, easer movement of desease, loss of local business and so on. Butterfly effect on steroids.