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MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
09-21-2012, 10:34 PM
I don't really want to praise cops for not beating me (financially, physically, or otherwise) tonight, but that is what happened.


Encounter 1...

I was going faster than a clear windowed, unmarked, late model, black impala, about to pass in right lane. His red/blues were in his back window brake light. He flashed them at me as I was coming up on him. I'm sure it had to do with his convenience. In any case, I didn't pass him and we never had a conversation besides that. He had clear windows and no cage. Not sure what he was, but he did have the disk on top in the rear. (communications, I guess... I just slipped and missed it.) He gave me a warning without a stop or other nonsense.


Encounter 2...

Took little girl out to dinner. Drank 2 beers. She likes to dance, and I danced with her some because there was a live keyboardist/singer at the restaurant. She really liked this girl who was playing. I would have drank one beer, but she was having too much fun. (I live 2 blocks away. We were there 3 hours and ate dinner.) So I stuck for one more.

Unidentified person shows up at my car on my way out asking for "a light." Stayed 3 feet away from me. (good move) Coulda been a good samaritan or terry stop. I'm not sure. Said he had a daughter my own daughter's age and wanted to make sure I was ok to drive. Good samaritan, I'm fine with. However, his approach did not match his follow up questions. I gave him a light (told him not to burn himself with the cigar torch). Said "yeah, we're cool, live right over there," got in my car and moved on.

2 cop encounters, no one hurt.

These are not two positive encounters in my opinion, but two encounters where I wasn't trampled or harmed somehow. So I'm posting this as a "not so bad."

better-dead-than-fed
09-21-2012, 11:32 PM
Maybe they were in a good mood because they kidnapped me for five years, stole everything I owned, and deliberately caused my death; all in broad daylight, and they got away with it.

fr33
09-21-2012, 11:55 PM
My latest encounter was when I was in a feed-mixing truck that has no tags or inspection. I drive it every day over the FARM to Market roads and county roads within about 5 miles of the headquarters to several pastures to feed cattle. It doesn't go over 45 miles per hour. The state trooper just wanted to pull me over and inform me that "I was breaking the law". I laughed at him. He didn't give me a warning or ticket. If I had bigger balls I would have told him this truck has more reason to travel these roads than he does.

I could tell more cop stories but I'll refrain for now.... Let's just say my experiences with police helped me become a libertarian and a cop hater...

Anti Federalist
09-22-2012, 12:15 AM
Maybe they were in a good mood because they kidnapped me for five years, stole everything I owned, and deliberately caused my death; all in broad daylight, and they got away with it.

Hmmm?

better-dead-than-fed
09-22-2012, 12:59 AM
Hmmm?

Denied me access to medical care while I was kidnapped, turning a treatable condition into a terminal condition.

fr33
09-22-2012, 01:03 AM
Denied me medical care, turning a treatable condition into a terminal condition.That doesn't surprise me unfortunately. Every experience I've had with police has led me to believe that ruining lives is their main objective.

Anti Federalist
09-22-2012, 01:12 AM
Denied me access to medical care while I was kidnapped, turning a treatable condition into a terminal condition.

Jesus, I am sorry to hear that.

Anti Federalist
09-22-2012, 01:19 AM
I appreciate what the OP is getting at, and, as RPF'ers resident "cop basher" let me say, once again, that most encounters with cops will go OK.

Hell, I had one get out and help me push my broken down van off the road in the pouring rain once.

That's not the point.

The point is that there is an increasing chance of things going "sideways" in any encounter with law enforcement.

The results are the tragic stories I post every day.

I beg of you people (in my best Lindsey Williams voice) please, take a second to understand that, to use caution when dealing with law enforcement and, if not willing to never call them, to at least understand what you are "buying" when you make that 911 call.

The life of you, a loved one or a pet may depend on it.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
09-22-2012, 01:56 AM
I appreciate what the OP is getting at, and, as RPF'ers resident "cop basher" let me say, once again, that most encounters with cops will go OK.


Not my opinion. Most are not ok. Most are fishing expeditions. I think encounters with police are life threatening situations. Thus - it was good that one flashed me without pulling me, and the other kept his distance. I don't think either had any business with me, but at least they weren't ripping my car apart looking for non-existent drugs. (this has happened to me twice.)

Many of my encounters with police have ended badly. It is typically a ruse to see how they can violate victim rights, and I've seen several people popped with large flashlights. I myself have been held in jail several extra days because they "didn't like my mouth." I've been held in jail extra days because I told them my father (whom I was on the phone with) might be a lawyer. They asked him... he said no = extra days for me. (We were talking legal strategy on a phone and they kept yapping about who I was talking to and why.)

These all involved "crimes against the state." No transgressions against people or property.

I'm just saying it was an unusually good day under the circumstances.

moostraks
09-22-2012, 07:25 AM
Not my opinion. Most are not ok. Most are fishing expeditions.

Agree totally with this!!! Due to the number of laws on the books unless you behave in a manner in which you either 1-have a high priced attorney on call or 2- lick boots, then you stand a better than average chance of finding yourself on the short end of the stick with law enforcement. After my own personal experiences with the police, practice avoidance at all costs whenever possible.

better-dead-than-fed
09-22-2012, 11:49 AM
Not my opinion. Most are not ok. Most are fishing expeditions. I think encounters with police are life threatening situations. Thus - it was good that one flashed me without pulling me, and the other kept his distance. I don't think either had any business with me, but at least they weren't ripping my car apart looking for non-existent drugs. (this has happened to me twice.)

Many of my encounters with police have ended badly. It is typically a ruse to see how they can violate victim rights, and I've seen several people popped with large flashlights. I myself have been held in jail several extra days because they "didn't like my mouth." I've been held in jail extra days because I told them my father (whom I was on the phone with) might be a lawyer. They asked him... he said no = extra days for me. (We were talking legal strategy on a phone and they kept yapping about who I was talking to and why.)

These all involved "crimes against the state." No transgressions against people or property.

I'm just saying it was an unusually good day under the circumstances.

I'm happy for you, but here's what I'm thinking about good or neutral experiences with cops. Bear in mind that people had occasional good experiences with Redcoats during the original American Revolution, and that the Civil War pitted "brother against brother". If you find that the government has declared war on you, you may have to detach yourself from personal considerations about individuals within the enemy.

CaptainAmerica
09-22-2012, 01:23 PM
rules about cops:
1.cops are not your chummy friends
2.never be friendly or unfriendly with a cop(be an adversary)
3.cops are playing chess,don't be a pawn
4.never trust a cop
5.be on your way peacefully and safely as soon as possible
6.never be intimidated
7.know your rights
8.know your surroundings
9.if all else fails say "I have the right to remain silent and right to be provided an attorney"

steph3n
09-22-2012, 04:06 PM
The other day I saw two hot female cops I would have talked to if they weren't cops. Being cops totally ruins them, forever.

presence
09-22-2012, 04:25 PM
rules about cops:
1.cops are not your chummy friends
2.never be friendly or unfriendly with a cop(be an adversary)
3.cops are playing chess,don't be a pawn
4.never trust a cop
5.be on your way peacefully and safely as soon as possible
6.never be intimidated
7.know your rights
8.know your surroundings
9.if all else fails say "I have the right to remain silent and right to be provided an attorney"

You missed the big one:

Cops have 10 million pages of statutory laws to pull from to find something you're currently doing wrong.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
09-22-2012, 04:45 PM
I'm happy for you, but here's what I'm thinking about good or neutral experiences with cops.

I just think they are better than bad experiences. That's all. lol, and I had two shots at bad experiences in one day and escaped unscathed. Shit like that makes me want to throw a party.

And when I talk about my worst experiences with police, they were all more than 15-20 years ago. Once I started looking like I could defend myself in court (nice car, etc), they have largely left me alone. I also moved out of an area where I seemingly had a target on my back. I didn't move because of them, but it certainly had a positive effect.

Professor8000
09-22-2012, 08:40 PM
One day, I will run for county Sheriff. If elected, hopefully I will be able to prevent a lot of the bullshit the cops do in the county.

ronpaulfollower999
09-22-2012, 08:51 PM
Last encounter I had with a cop was when one backed into me. Wasn't my fault (even though he tried) and we just went on our way.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
10-01-2012, 01:53 PM
Ok, I had another quick exchange with another unmarked impala last night. I was letting a kid friend drive my car last night because he was interested in how it accelerates.

So he took a shot at that down a straight away on a road with almost no traffic. (particularly none ahead of us). We stop at a red light a few miles down the road. A gray unmarked impala pulls up next to us and starts flashing his lights. (last one was black - so this is a different unmarked impala) He rolled his window down and asked my driver something like "do you have an unlimited supply of money?" Driver says "no." Cop mutters something else. I tell driver to roll up his window. We continue on our way.

I believe he was far behind us, had no way to clock my driver's speed, and just assumed he might be going over the speed limit, but had no cause to pull us over. Anyway, this is twice now in a very short time where I've had strange encounters with unmarked impalas. This is very strange behavior for police, so I'm starting to wonder if maybe they aren't police at all. I'm starting to suspect they are border patrol, DHS, TSA, or something else. Anyone have ideas on how I can find out wtf these are? Both of these encounters were in the same county.

Origanalist
10-01-2012, 02:14 PM
Ok, I had another quick exchange with another unmarked impala last night. I was letting a kid friend drive my car last night because he was interested in how it accelerates.

So he took a shot at that down a straight away on a road with almost no traffic. (particularly none ahead of us). We stop at a red light a few miles down the road. A gray unmarked impala pulls up next to us and starts flashing his lights. (last one was black - so this is a different unmarked impala) He rolled his window down and asked my driver something like "do you have an unlimited supply of money?" Driver says "no." Cop mutters something else. I tell driver to roll up his window. We continue on our way.

I believe he was far behind us, had no way to clock my driver's speed, and just assumed he might be going over the speed limit, but had no cause to pull us over. Anyway, this is twice now in a very short time where I've had strange encounters with unmarked impalas. This is very strange behavior for police, so I'm starting to wonder if maybe they aren't police at all. I'm starting to suspect they are border patrol, DHS, TSA, or something else. Anyone have ideas on how I can find out wtf these are? Both of these encounters were in the same county.

Hmmmmm....MIB?

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
10-01-2012, 02:28 PM
Hmmmmm....MIB?


Nah, he was white, wearing a white shirt, balding, and had the cop mustache. Possibly former cop or military.

Definitely, these are people with control issues, but cops don't act like this. They also don't have cages in their cars. I don't think their cars and behavioral similarities are a coincidence.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
10-01-2012, 08:08 PM
Nah, he was white, wearing a white shirt, balding, and had the cop mustache. Possibly former cop or military.

Definitely, these are people with control issues, but cops don't act like this. They also don't have cages in their cars. I don't think their cars and behavioral similarities are a coincidence.


bump.

How do I figure out what these guys are? It could be a coincidence that I've run into two of them in the last week (and not that their numbers are jumping), but it's extremely fishy behavior. They don't feel like writing tickets, can't put anyone in the back of their car, but still want to yap at people for perceived speed violations. I'm not even convinced they have any speed detection equipment, since they needed none for either encounter.

My expected cop behavior for an unmarked car - quietly observe behavior, observe or document violation, pull over, fish for information, ask for consent to search.

Their behavior - flash lights to get attention, wag finger.

Not normal cop behaviors, in not normal cars = probably not cops. (Ummm, I wish that were normal cop behavior since it is an improvement, but I'm pretty sure this is a new layer of something.)

So how do I figure out what they are?

My only other theory is that they are starting to use my car as unmarked cop cars and thus thinking it is possible I'm a cop too. But seeing that they don't have cages in their cars, they aren't prepared to pull anyone over or act on it anyway. So I don't think that's it.

FrancisMarion
10-01-2012, 08:38 PM
Why don't you ask them who they are?

torchbearer
10-01-2012, 08:42 PM
you should hit a casino tonight- you are on a streak.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
10-01-2012, 09:28 PM
Why don't you ask them who they are?

One flashed his lights before I passed him. It was a warning - where he saw me coming up to pass him. No verbal contact.

The second, I was in the passenger seat, after drinking beer at a football game. The driver was a completely sober 17 year old who has no idea how to deal with these things. Potential unmarked cop car turned off flashers, which was when I instructed the driver to roll his window up. Game over. If he wasn't pulling us over, (which he did not), then there was no reason to have further conversation - which was why I told him to roll the (tinted) window up. At that point, it was Impala guy's option to attempt a traffic stop, which he did not. Me asking questions from the passenger seat would have been a bad move while no one was being stopped or questioned. Kid driving was 100% legal, but not prepared to deal with that sort of thing, and me either at the time. The circumstances were not right for me to be asking questions or talking at all.

Like I said, it is very abnormal behavior for police (unmarked or otherwise), which leads me to believe these people are not police. Or they are buying new family cars for themselves... or they are something else.



you should hit a casino tonight- you are on a streak.


Nah... everything tells me these are different people with different rules and different motivations. Besides... several "cop" encounters in a few weeks would be unlucky IMO. I'm not the kid driving a beater I was 20 years ago. This ain't luck for me. (3 cop encounters in a week if you've seen the whole thread. I now think the impala people aren't cops.)

Something fishy here, and I'm in the Tampa area, which just had the convention, and is also 50 miles to the border from everywhere, so in the "constitution free" zone.

I want to figure out who's buying or driving the unmarked impalas. I'm decent at legal research, but not sure where to go with that one.

fr33
10-02-2012, 12:12 AM
bump.

How do I figure out what these guys are? It could be a coincidence that I've run into two of them in the last week (and not that their numbers are jumping), but it's extremely fishy behavior. They don't feel like writing tickets, can't put anyone in the back of their car, but still want to yap at people for perceived speed violations. I'm not even convinced they have any speed detection equipment, since they needed none for either encounter.

My expected cop behavior for an unmarked car - quietly observe behavior, observe or document violation, pull over, fish for information, ask for consent to search.

Their behavior - flash lights to get attention, wag finger.

Not normal cop behaviors, in not normal cars = probably not cops. (Ummm, I wish that were normal cop behavior since it is an improvement, but I'm pretty sure this is a new layer of something.)

So how do I figure out what they are?

My only other theory is that they are starting to use my car as unmarked cop cars and thus thinking it is possible I'm a cop too. But seeing that they don't have cages in their cars, they aren't prepared to pull anyone over or act on it anyway. So I don't think that's it.It sounds like some sort of detective or undercover to me. I've had similar experiences when I was younger.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
10-02-2012, 10:54 AM
It sounds like some sort of detective or undercover to me. I've had similar experiences when I was younger.


Maybe, and I've just been lucky enough to never have seen it before. However, detectives don't normally deal with speeders and such, so if true, this light flashing and finger wagging (while they could just be power tripping) is actually them taking on extra work that doesn't belong to them. Not normal, either.

Athan
10-02-2012, 11:42 AM
Denied me access to medical care while I was kidnapped, turning a treatable condition into a terminal condition.
wtf!? Damn that's messed up.