OK, RPF, care to lend a hand? I have a new ad idea that I'd like some input on.

[Anti Federalist]

Prompted by the success of this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?327473-quot-And-there-s-no-way-no-way-I-ll-vote-for-Romney.-quot-Read-on-this-may-be-THE-issue.

And sparked by the information here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390332-New-Hampshire-Romney-48-Obama-45

And angered by this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390382-Satire-Time-for-Ron-Paul-Fans-to-Support-The-Constitution....by-voting-for-Romney

I'd like to come up with with a half page newspaper ad that would point out that both Romney and Obama represent the same thing and the voting for either one is a truly wasted vote.

Something that would encourage a third party vote in a non partisan way or even a vote of no confidence, a write in or left blank.

I don't have the tools to put anything together right now, maybe some of you folks could take a stab at it.

[phill4paul]

Giving this thread a bump. Hopefully someone with skillz and fu and the toolz can help out.

[acptulsa]

I think a position table would work best. Especially if we can sprinkle a little straight talk into it.

ISSUE ROMNEY --- OBAMA

War Supports wars Starts wars

[cajuncocoa]

Don't forget Romneycare was the basis for Obamacare.

[jbauer]

I'm not a photo shop wizard so not my cup of tea in designing it. As for an ad, depending where you go they get pretty expensive. Whats the end goal here and where are the funds going to come from?

[acptulsa]

I'm not a photo shop wizard so not my cup of tea in designing it. As for an ad, depending where you go they get pretty expensive. Whats the end goal here and where are the funds going to come from?

The end goal is education, and hopefully enough votes for write in/independent/third party candidates to turn a trickle away from the Demopublican duopoly into a groundswell. And the money will again have to come from us.

[ClydeCoulter]

I'm not a photo shop wizard so not my cup of tea in designing it. As for an ad, depending where you go they get pretty expensive. Whats the end goal here and where are the funds going to come from?

End Goal?

I think he wants to stirr Americans Hearts to Strike down the 2 Headed Beast :D

[acptulsa]

End Goal?

I think he wants to stirr Americans Hearts to Strike down the 2 Headed Beast :D

Yeah. That's what I was trying to say.

And inspires an idea for a graphic, too. A pushme-pullyou from Dr. Dolittle (at least the old one had one of those)--with an elephant's head on one end, and on the other the head of an ass.

http://th131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/LowestLowLife/th_Pushmi-pullyu.jpg

Might only be recognized by older people, but newspaper ads will primarily be seen by the same, and we need to influence these people anyway. After all, the younger ones were never taught about the Constitution. Besides, the point is obvious whether you know what a pushmi-pullyu is or not.

[jmdrake]

Good idea. Here's a better idea. Why not start a liberty oriented newspaper? Where I live the Kroger grocery stores have stands in the lobby where they have a lot of "Free - take one" newspapers and magazines. I'm not sure how much it costs to buy "space" in a place like that. But you could sell ads in the paper. Follow Bill Cooper's advice. Don't complain about the press. Don't send money to the press. Get your own press.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPL0bBM7Ml8

[Cleaner44]

I saw a list of 40 things that make Obama and Romney the same. I will see if I can dig it up and get back to you.

[Carlybee]

There was a libertarian newspaper chain but they sold everything :(

http://www.freedom.com/company/history.html

[LibertyEagle]

Good idea. Here's a better idea. Why not start a liberty oriented newspaper? Where I live the Kroger grocery stores have stands in the lobby where they have a lot of "Free - take one" newspapers and magazines. I'm not sure how much it costs to buy "space" in a place like that. But you could sell ads in the paper. Follow Bill Cooper's advice. Don't complain about the press. Don't send money to the press. Get your own press.

That's a good idea too. Freebie newspapers are very popular in Austin.

[fr33]

I'm interested in paying to put such an ad in my local papers as well. Not skilled enough to make it though. I guess it would be a PDF?

[talkingpointes]

Here's resources for Obama. http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

[oyarde]

You could sell classifieds on the back for a few cents a word and help pay for it.

[acptulsa]

You could sell classifieds on the back for a few cents a word and help pay for it.

Interesting business model. Basically like AP, UPI and their ilk--local ad revelue funneled back to the national source, which provides a printing palate with space left for the ads. This is funneled back to the localities for local printing and distribution. Not unheard of, but doing a newsweekly that way, and doing the whole layout nationally and making every regional identical except for the ads, is something new. It's a way to take corporatism out of the financial picture.

If we have to have our own reporting staff, of course, it's cost prohibitive to get it out of the box. As a news digest with the web as its primary source, however, all that would be required are people to do the layout and clear, pithy writers to paraphrase and cite references. The net is an advantage in that you just provide links--this site is my news digest--but for people who, for one reason or another don't like it, this would indeed be a piece of paper to read. Looking at the demographics of that makes it seem logical to target an older audience to a degree.

We need to do this. We should have done it six years ago.

Excuse us, AF. Were we hijacking your thread?

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not a photo shop wizard so not my cup of tea in designing it. As for an ad, depending where you go they get pretty expensive. Whats the end goal here and where are the funds going to come from?

Right now, the funds are coming from me.

I wasn't clear in my OP, I'm looking to target the narrow swing vote in my home state of NH.

But I have in my mind a broadsheet that could be used anywhere.

[Anti Federalist]

We need to do this. We should have done it six years ago.

Excuse us, AF. Were we hijacking your thread?

Not at all, I was hoping to get some positive brainstorming out of this.

Keep 'em coming.

[specsaregood]

Right now, the funds are coming from me.
I wasn't clear in my OP, I'm looking to target the narrow swing vote in my home state of NH.


Putting the presidential police state apparatus in NH could really come to a head with the FSP eh?

edit: so perhaps an ad specifically targetting the downsides of having a presidential vacation home in your area?

[QuickZ06]

I saw a list of 40 things that make Obama and Romney the same. I will see if I can dig it up and get back to you.

Please do, I'd like to use that as a tool to school the masses.

[Anti Federalist]

Putting the presidential police state apparatus in NH could really come to a head with the FSP eh?

edit: so perhaps an ad specifically targetting the downsides of having a presidential vacation home in your area?

Yup, been thinking how to present that as well.

[Brian4Liberty]

I would include the cheating at both Conventions. "In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it!"

[jmdrake]

Okay folks. Let's start posting material.

http://gulagbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Open-Secrets-Obama-Romney.jpg

[erowe1]

Okay folks. Let's start posting material.

http://gulagbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Open-Secrets-Obama-Romney.jpg

Anybody know what the story is behind U. of California's place on the Obama list?

[jmdrake]

http://i.imgur.com/Ssear.png

Romney supported the "big dig".

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?344112-the-BIG-DIG

Romneycare actually worse than Obamacare.

http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/151025/Romneycare_v._Obamacare.jpg

[jmdrake]

Anybody know what the story is behind U. of California's place on the Obama list?

Quick Google search shows that it was made by faculty members who work there as opposed to the U of C itself.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

Same with all of the other donors. It's like Ron Paul getting the most donations from members of the military doesn't mean the military itself donated to Ron Paul.

[jmdrake]

There was a libertarian newspaper chain but they sold everything :(

http://www.freedom.com/company/history.html

That's too bad. What I think we need to do to make this viable is to use an internet based model. Basically if there was one well run blog as high quality as HuffPo (as in writing level, not idea level) and then the blog was put into printed form and distributed nationwide it could work. The key would also be volume.

Here's a website that will publish your newspaper for you.

http://www.newspaperclub.com

For 2000 copies it cost .90 cents per copy for a 12 page color newspaper. See: http://www.newspaperclub.com/help/what-is-a-page

Divide that by 50 states and if we could get 40 people per state to commit $0.90 per issue (month/week?) to this, it becomes viable. Of course that's just a start. Really we need thousands of copies distributed in a single city to make this worthwhile. So perhaps the idea could be to get a national movement to saturate on city (it could be Austin as L.E. says free newspapers are popular there and there seems to be a strong liberty movement) then as that city's paper becomes self-sustaining through advertisements and local subscribers/patrons we move to the next city.

[jmdrake]

Bump! Come on folks! We can beat verbally each other up in endless threads over stupid stuff but we can't come together to do positive brain storming?

[Brian4Liberty]

Bump! Come on folks! We can beat verbally each other up in endless threads over stupid stuff but we can't come together to do positive brain storming?

Maybe we can work in SWAT teams raiding medical marijuana dispensaries (and that they both support it).

"expensive, tax-payer subsidized big pharma medicine - supported"
"inexpensive, natural herbal medicine - terminate with extreme prejudice!"

[RDM]

I've been kicking this idea in my head about a national advertising blitz to promote 3rd party or write-in Ron Paul for that matter. Goes like this:

Romney represents the 1%. Obama is destroying the 99%. This election, become a part of the 34%. Only takes 34% of the vote to win in a three man race.

[oyarde]

Yes , and it will work.

[opal]

I've been kicking this idea in my head about a national advertising blitz to promote 3rd party or write-in Ron Paul for that matter. Goes like this:

Romney represents the 1%. Obama is destroying the 99%. This election, become a part of the 34%. Only takes 34% of the vote to win in a three man race.

I like the concept here. It's short.. understandable for the sheeple (clover) and although it's more than a 3 man race (GJ, Goode etc) the concept is still outstanding.
um.. just for debate purposes though, why use the republicrat's names and not Ron Paul in the slogan?

[kathy88]

Interesting business model. Basically like AP, UPI and their ilk--local ad revelue funneled back to the national source, which provides a printing palate with space left for the ads. This is funneled back to the localities for local printing and distribution. Not unheard of, but doing a newsweekly that way, and doing the whole layout nationally and making every regional identical except for the ads, is something new. It's a way to take corporatism out of the financial picture.

If we have to have our own reporting staff, of course, it's cost prohibitive to get it out of the box. As a news digest with the web as its primary source, however, all that would be required are people to do the layout and clear, pithy writers to paraphrase and cite references. The net is an advantage in that you just provide links--this site is my news digest--but for people who, for one reason or another don't like it, this would indeed be a piece of paper to read. Looking at the demographics of that makes it seem logical to target an older audience to a degree.

We need to do this. We should have done it six years ago.

Excuse us, AF. Were we hijacking your thread?

OMG I'm so on board with this. My degree is in PR/Marketing and I have mad editing skillz.

[Cleaner44]

I saw a list of 40 things that make Obama and Romney the same. I will see if I can dig it up and get back to you.

40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-exactly-the-same)

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-exactly-the-same)

A few weeks ago (years in RPF time), there was a graphic floating around showing both supporting all of the same things. (a lit of 10 or 15). I can't find it, though.

I think if you take the info at that link and put some or all of it in graphic form with the candidates at the top, issues on the left, and check marks (or yes, no) down the columns, it's a nice easy visual format that people can quickly recognize as "same" before they even start looking at the list.

[RDM]

A few weeks ago (years in RPF time), there was a graphic floating around showing both supporting all of the same things. (a lit of 10 or 15). I can't find it, though.

I think if you take the info at that link and put some or all of it in graphic form with the candidates at the top, issues on the left, and check marks (or yes, no) down the columns, it's a nice easy visual format that people can quickly recognize as "same" before they even start looking at the list.

Is this the one?http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/6/9/3/0/5/romney-obama-checklist-75442968434.jpeg#romney%20obama%20checklist

[Anti Federalist]

I'm thinking a layout like this, with no direct reference to Ron Paul.

Something like:

"This time, there is no lesser evil"

"They are both the same"

"Exercise a real choice"

"Vote third party, write-in or leave blank your choice for president"

http://i.imgur.com/R2tFG.jpg

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Is this the one?http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/6/9/3/0/5/romney-obama-checklist-75442968434.jpeg#romney%20obama%20checklist

Yep, that's the one. Although the format I suggested was a little different, that format takes up less space and also makes the point rather quickly. That one's not bad for single color, either. If 2 colors, you could take that format and make the names and checkmarks red to draw some attention.

[Anti Federalist]

Bump

[fr33]

Is this the one?http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/6/9/3/0/5/romney-obama-checklist-75442968434.jpeg#romney%20obama%20checklistThis is what I have in mind. Maybe a prettier font and maybe with just the policies republicans care about (they love war). My only reason I'd print this in local papers is that I live in a rural area that is very much republican and I'd like to point out how Romney is not a conservative and to point out how pointless these 2 choices are..

[daviddee]

...

[acptulsa]

I have been using sarcasm to explain my desires in a president and how I will be voting.

Feel free to expand upon it...

What I want: "I want more wars, more government spending, more assaults on our liberties, and I want to see Uncle Sam selling his body for sexual favors to pay the bills."

Who I am voting for: "I have decided to vote for either candidate as both will give me everything I desire."

That is a more entertaining way to do it, and more entertaining methods often stick better--not to mention get in under more people's defenses. Yeah, I like this angle. Wonder if I've had enough caffeine yet to riff on it.

We're So Lucky to Have Such Great Choices

I just can't decide who to vote for in the presidential race. They're both just so perfect! I can't believe it. Things are just going so well I never considered firing the president, but this Romney guy is just such a temptation!

Romney promises us more war. Obama promised us just the opposite, but that's ok, because he saw Dubya's two wars and raised us three police actions. I think that's a wonderful thing, and can't wait for the next one. I heard somewhere that with six you get egg roll!

The value of the dollar is shrinking like wool in a hot dryer. This, of course, is making my savings worthless. But there's a bright side that makes it all worthwhile. Why, if the dollar keeps shrinking this way, next thing you know I'll be getting ten thousand a month! Ten thousand a month--think of it! Of course, by then hamburger will be forty dollars a pound and I'll probably be starving, but I'm sure I'll still feel like a millionaire! Assuming I still have a job...

The Republicans put drones in the sky so they can see through my bedroom window. Now I don't even have to go to the trouble to brag about it when I get lucky--the whole world knows! And the Democrats are going to put GPS tracking in my car so they can charge me taxes for every mile I drive. Of course, between those taxes and four dollar a gallon gas, the GPS ought to be on my bicycle, but it's sure worth it. Isn't it wonderful that everyone is taking such an interest in us? I've never felt so fascinating before. Heck, I remember when as long as you didn't rob, rape or kill anyone, government would almost ignore you completely. Now I feel so very special.

We all have such wonderful toys, these days. Everything so slick and shiny and made in China, and cheap cheap cheap! Yet even though its so cheap, I can still lord it over the neighbors because they were all in manufacturing, and now they're lucky if they can afford both rent a bottle of rye whiskey. What's more, all this Chinese stuff lasts exactly thirteen months, and falls apart. So, I'm always technologically up to date! I always have the latest gadget! I could never say that back when 'durable goods' almost always lasted a whole three or four years. And not only has Obama helped get us to this wonderful place in a hurry, but you just know Romney the Bain corporate raider will make sure that I'm never tempted to spend more on a quality product made right here at home. Even if he has to buy up every company in the country and sell off all their assets. Why, when he has the IRS at his disposal, he won't even have to buy them first. That ought to speed things up!

And after decades of Medicare driving the prices of medical services up with its insistence on all kinds of specialists, its price fixing and its mountains of paperwork, we really need one of these guys. They both want the same government who screwed medicine up to take it over completely. I'm for that because then it will have an excuse to crack down on smokers, and fat people, and anyone else who drives up medical costs by doing unhealthy things like breathing the air and eating the Monsanto food.

[Should we include some more, or is it long enough?]

Both Romney and Obama are just so perfect. Why, when I saw Romney on Univision, he even looked like Obama! And Obama is handing the nation over to the big corporations on a silver platter, just the way Romney handed Massachusetts over to them on a silver platter. No wonder you never hear of any other parties or candidates on the news. Why, it's just like Will Rogers said--if the newspapers knock a guy a lot, there must be some good in him. Well, the news media doesn't even bother to knock candidates like Gary Johnson. And if the media and their corporate sponsors hate him so much they won't even mention his name, well, obviously he's some kind of kook who thinks the corporations aren't important and we, the people are important. That's just so nineteenth century! God forbid we let little things like our rights and our jobs stand in the way of progress!

So, I don't know who I'm voting for. But I know who I'm not voting for! Both Romney and Obama will sell my job to India and send my children to Iran, leaving me with nothing. But if I don't pick the right one to vote for, I won't be able to brag that I backed the winner!

So, you vote for the one you think will win, and I'll back the one I think will win, and we can compare notes in Guantanimo. See you there!

[acptulsa]

What--no good?

[Anti Federalist]

Hat Tip to FrankRep.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/411825_10151152833152326_1723412382_o.jpg

Can someone with skilz do the following to this picture:

Reverse the blue and red backgrounds and the Coke and Pepsi to "Red Team Blue Team" coordinate.

Remove the Tweedledum and dee.

Narrow the photo to more closely match standard 8.5 x 11.

And add at the bottom:

Make your vote for president REALLY count!

Do not choose either of the above.

[jmdrake]

What--no good?

Good, but too long. AF is looking for something that appeals to people with short attention spans (I think).

[opal]

Can someone with skilz do the following to this picture:

Reverse the blue and red backgrounds and the Coke and Pepsi to "Red Team Blue Team" coordinate.

Remove the Tweedledum and dee.

Narrow the photo to more closely match standard 8.5 x 11.

And add at the bottom:

Make your vote for president REALLY count!

Do not choose either of the above.




I'm on it

[opal]

here ya go AF.. if there's anything that still needs to be tweaked.. let me know. Currently it's a huge file, although a .jpg
I can make it into a .png if you like

http://i45.tinypic.com/sdhcog.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

here ya go AF.. if there's anything that still needs to be tweaked.. let me know. Currently it's a huge file, although a .jpg
I can make it into a .png if you like

That is great, thank you!

[ClydeCoulter]

Opal, you can cut the white from the left and right to reduce the horizontal scruching.

[bunklocoempire]

Prompted by the success of this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?327473-quot-And-there-s-no-way-no-way-I-ll-vote-for-Romney.-quot-Read-on-this-may-be-THE-issue.

And sparked by the information here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390332-New-Hampshire-Romney-48-Obama-45

And angered by this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390382-Satire-Time-for-Ron-Paul-Fans-to-Support-The-Constitution....by-voting-for-Romney

I'd like to come up with with a half page newspaper ad that would point out that both Romney and Obama represent the same thing and the voting for either one is a truly wasted vote.

Something that would encourage a third party vote in a non partisan way or even a vote of no confidence, a write in or left blank.

I don't have the tools to put anything together right now, maybe some of you folks could take a stab at it.

Perhaps the following 4 phases could each have some pertinant headlines or candidate quotes & pics next to them in relationship with the Bill of Rights abuse -Maybe 'Lady Liberty' as the victim:

http://s6.postimage.org/mqgynwlm9/Cycle_of_Abuse.png

In addition to showing the cycle, it could appeal to people's emotions:

-being protective of 'Lady Liberty'

-having empathy for an abused 'person'

-cheering for justice to be done to those who do the abusing

-a bright future for the 'Lady' who decided to leave an abusive realtionship, and high praise for those who will help her.:)

It seems like it all could fit on a half page with some careful layout. The comparisons are always good, and there are plenty people who certainly understand them, but I don't think appealing to people's emotions is such a bad idea either -seeing as emotions have gotten us into this mess.;)

Good on you AF, and everyone with their ideas!:)

EDIT: I'll try to flesh this 'cycle' thing out a little more as I get some time, I'd encourage anyone to tweek it/use it their own way. Here's what I'll be using to get some more ideas for it:
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/domestic_violence_abuse_help_treatment_prevention. htm
Signs that your abuser is NOT changing:
He minimizes the abuse or denies how serious it really was.
He continues to blame others for his behavior.
He claims that you’re the one who is abusive.
He pressures you to go to couple’s counseling.
He tells you that you owe him another chance.
You have to push him to stay in treatment.
He says that he can’t change unless you stay with him and support him.
He tries to get sympathy from you, your children, or your family and friends.
He expects something from you in exchange for getting help.
He pressures you to make decisions about the relationship.

I think the most important part is to not offend the abused with the abuse cycle analogy.

[opal]

Opal, you can cut the white from the left and right to reduce the horizontal scruching.

I left that for printer margins since AF requested for standard size paper.. can remove borders no prob

[opal]

Bunk.. normally I'm pretty quick at grasping someone's idea to run with it for design. I've reread that concept several times and it confuses me.
Are you looking for pretty stylized graphics of Lady Liberty, other people, the candidates and a graphic of an endless circle with text overlaying it all?
A selection of some of the above?
Do you envision this in color? greyscale?
For the abuse .. do you want something like an axe in a candidates hand with text on it? Too graphic? Maybe just poking her with sticks? Gangs behind the candidates helping?
How much do you want the figures to look like real life? photographic likeness? Poster like? caracature? stick figures?

really.. I'm confused

[Working Poor]

Good idea. Here's a better idea. Why not start a liberty oriented newspaper? Where I live the Kroger grocery stores have stands in the lobby where they have a lot of "Free - take one" newspapers and magazines. I'm not sure how much it costs to buy "space" in a place like that. But you could sell ads in the paper. Follow Bill Cooper's advice. Don't complain about the press. Don't send money to the press. Get your own press.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPL0bBM7Ml8




We would have to sell a lot of ads that is certain

[FrancisMarion]

I've always like the "Allegory of the Cave" by Plato. I'm sure most on here have read it. If not you should. If you could take the entire discussion between the two and create an image you could have something very powerful.

Luckily many have created the images already! Here is one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7b-ewi9NrMw/TXeAdG7yljI/AAAAAAAACo0/uUs7zs2FMr8/s1600/platosCave%2Bcopy.jpg

Look above and replace the puppeteers with a representation of the two party candidates (or maybe a donkey and elephant) and big wig special interest cozing up to each other in pleasurable company, ya know having a good time with their lavishness. The prisoners are the citizens of the U.S.A., and then on the cave wall the shadows can illustrate two silhouettes of Obama and Romney as defiant adversaries.

And then maybe a subtle font across the bottom that says, Wake up America.

[bunklocoempire]

Bunk.. normally I'm pretty quick at grasping someone's idea to run with it for design. I've reread that concept several times and it confuses me.
Are you looking for pretty stylized graphics of Lady Liberty, other people, the candidates and a graphic of an endless circle with text overlaying it all?
A selection of some of the above?
Do you envision this in color? greyscale?
For the abuse .. do you want something like an axe in a candidates hand with text on it? Too graphic? Maybe just poking her with sticks? Gangs behind the candidates helping?
How much do you want the figures to look like real life? photographic likeness? Poster like? caracature? stick figures?

really.. I'm confused

What? You can't read my confused thoughts? lol

Sorry.:o

My first concern would be the worded content showing Obamney quotes or headlines for each cycle of abuse.

I would try to have the "Cycle of Abuse" circle graphic on one side, and parts or all of Signs that your abuser is NOT changing text on the other side.

The only 'disturbing' or sad image being one of Lady Liberty as alone and abused. Maybe a large one of her by the Signs that your abuser is NOT changing There are some good ones out there where she's crying, holding her head in her hands, etc.

Establishing sympathy for the victim while suggesting the viewer/reader have some type of protective emotional response is more important than actually showing the cruelty IMO. I'd just let the Obamney 'cruelty' text speak for itself.

Just quickly for an example (following the graphic layout):

"The Cycle of Abuse"

1. Tensions Building
Issue Headline: "Congress must act to avoid X crisis"
Small head shot of Romney. Romney quote warns of 'danger'
Small head shot of Obama. Obama quote warns of 'danger'
Small headshot of Lady Liberty and a similar historical U.S. event/'crisis'

2. Incident
Small head shot of Romney. Romney- favorable quote on anti-liberty congress action
Small head shot of Obama. Obama- favorable quote on anti-lberty congress action
Small headshot sad/abused of Lady Liberty and a similar historical U.S. anti-liberty reaction

3. Reconcilliation
Small head shot of Romney. Romney- gives excuse for anti-liberty action
Small head shot of Obama. Obama- gives excuse for anti-liberty action
Small headshot of sad/abused Lady Liberty and text of our Bill of Rights that the action erodes.

4. Calm
Elephant symbol. GOP favorable quote says Romney looking good to win -lady liberty not being actively beaten still has a pulse
Donkey symbol. DNC favorable quote says Obama looking good to win -lady liberty not being actively beaten still has a pulse
Small headshot of sad/abused Lady Liberty caught in the cycle

This type of layout could be recycled for other establishment candidates and Liberty abuse. The candidates, fear headlines, and anti-Liberty "solutions" are a dime a dozen.

It just needs some plenty fine tuning. ;)

[opal]

ok...
um

my concern is using the cycle of abuse graphic and terms as they are.. tension building,,, etc if that's what you mean. Where did that come from and is it copyrited?

If we were doing a poster for in the forum, not for distribution, it wouldn't matter so much but using someone's design - complete with text makes my hackles stand up

[tangent4ronpaul]

Interesting business model. Basically like AP, UPI and their ilk--local ad revelue funneled back to the national source, which provides a printing palate with space left for the ads. This is funneled back to the localities for local printing and distribution. Not unheard of, but doing a newsweekly that way, and doing the whole layout nationally and making every regional identical except for the ads, is something new. It's a way to take corporatism out of the financial picture.

If we have to have our own reporting staff, of course, it's cost prohibitive to get it out of the box. As a news digest with the web as its primary source, however, all that would be required are people to do the layout and clear, pithy writers to paraphrase and cite references. The net is an advantage in that you just provide links--this site is my news digest--but for people who, for one reason or another don't like it, this would indeed be a piece of paper to read. Looking at the demographics of that makes it seem logical to target an older audience to a degree.

We need to do this. We should have done it six years ago.

Excuse us, AF. Were we hijacking your thread?

I tried to get something like this started back in 2009, and that game plan could still work. Check out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?218020-Underground-newspaper-project-REDUX&highlight=high+school+underground+newspaper

We have 413 Meetups left, so on average 8 Meetups a state. Most people are not checking into them anymore and we are loosing 10-20 a week on average. It's difficult to contact all of them as you can only join/post to/mail a few a day.


Putting the presidential police state apparatus in NH could really come to a head with the FSP eh?

edit: so perhaps an ad specifically targetting the downsides of having a presidential vacation home in your area?

No fly zones whenever the prez is in town.
ditto: civil rights free zones and streets being shut down.
It would be like living or having a business near a stadium, cuz whenever there is a game, you and your customers won't have anyplace to park. Might as well take a vacation from the area.


That's too bad. What I think we need to do to make this viable is to use an internet based model. Basically if there was one well run blog as high quality as HuffPo (as in writing level, not idea level) and then the blog was put into printed form and distributed nationwide it could work. The key would also be volume.

Here's a website that will publish your newspaper for you.

http://www.newspaperclub.com

For 2000 copies it cost .90 cents per copy for a 12 page color newspaper. See: http://www.newspaperclub.com/help/what-is-a-page

Divide that by 50 states and if we could get 40 people per state to commit $0.90 per issue (month/week?) to this, it becomes viable. Of course that's just a start. Really we need thousands of copies distributed in a single city to make this worthwhile. So perhaps the idea could be to get a national movement to saturate on city (it could be Austin as L.E. says free newspapers are popular there and there seems to be a strong liberty movement) then as that city's paper becomes self-sustaining through advertisements and local subscribers/patrons we move to the next city.

.90 cents a copy is completely non-viable. Also that place is in the UK. We would need high volume and much, much lower pricing!

Our movement has put out newspapers before. One came out of TX, one came out of the bible belt and one came out of the eastern shore of MD. There might have been others. Some of our supporters own printing companies that have web presses. Finding them and getting them on board is key to success.

A lot of our supporters own small businesses. Find them, and we don't have a distribution problem.

We have a few issues: cost per issue, production, distribution, and column inches of textual real estate (payload). It also needs to look interesting enough to be picked up by the reader. We've talked about a few approaches here - newspaper ads and a free paper. This can also be viewed as a short term (pre-election) project and a long term one.

Making things visually interesting is a key to getting people to pick things up. Check out Infographics: http://www.coolinfographics.com/blog/tag/politics
and
Edward Tufte: https://www.google.com/search?q=edward+tufte&hl=en&prmd=imvnsob&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2QRhUPaCM-L30gHs94DQDg&sqi=2&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1041&bih=998
http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_vdqi

There is a small, little weekly "paper" - if you can call it that, around here called "The Coffee Times". It's one sheet, double sided and has small ads for local businesses on the side and 4-5 short articles in the body. It's about a perfect size to read while drinking a cup of coffee or waiting for your order. How do we squeeze a ton of info into that small space? QR codes and tiny URL's that are easy to remember.

QR codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code

Imagine a sheet like that, with 20-30 headlines, a brief introductory paragraph (the hook) and a QR code followed by a tiny URL for those without smart phones. As QR codes haven't really caught on and many people don't know that their smart phone will do this, placing a visual 1-2-3 instruction thing at the top instructing them on how to use their phone to retrieve info from the web is a great hook in itself - gets people curious... and suddenly they are looking at a web page, optimized to be read on a smart phone or watching a YouTube of our info.

http://www.clubrunner.ca/data/7010/1778/Journal/27452//story422897/QR_Code_Phone.jpg

http://www.webpronews.com/nielsen-takes-a-look-at-smartphone-demographics-2012-05

http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/pictures/nielsensmartphoneethnicity.png

http://ansonalex.com/infographics/smartphone-usage-statistics-2012-infographic/
80% of humans own a mobile phone (external source).
There are 91.4 million smartphones in the United States alone. (34% penetration. 18-24: 54%, 25-34: 62%, 35-44:53%, 45-54: 39%, 55-64: 30%, 65+: 38%)

It's also possible to customize these in the same way that checksums can be faked so you get an image. This could be incorporated into cartoons or say a picture of a sheep looking at a TV set... Haven't found an ap that will do this yet, but I would be surprised if one isn't out there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00kvnl8/qrcode

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00kvnl8/qrcode.png

I remember seeing one that had a Guy Fawkes mask in it, but I'm not finding it yet.

We could also do something like a trivia quiz or or crossword and have people hit QR codes for hints. Things like:
How many countries does the US have bases in?
How much is a 1964 quarter worth?
What are the major differences between the two political candidates?
etc.

With political commentary and education when they click through...



We would have to sell a lot of ads that is certain

How you spend money is more important than how much you have. In house printing, smaller package, cost per issue, etc. are areas we should focus on.

So, any feedback?

-t

ps:

http://seemslegit.com/_images/ed25d194257435f719d05a67d235cd31/1271%20-%204chan%20anonymous%20guy_fawkes%20prepared%20rev olution.jpg

[bunklocoempire]

ok...
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my concern is using the cycle of abuse graphic and terms as they are.. tension building,,, etc if that's what you mean. Where did that come from and is it copyrited?

If we were doing a poster for in the forum, not for distribution, it wouldn't matter so much but using someone's design - complete with text makes my hackles stand up

Thank you for pointing that out. My intention was not to use that specific graphic, or the specific text. I did give a quick example that followed the graphic layout. My apologies if my phrasing left you believing I was trying to encourage lifting the whole thing.

My main concern is drawing attention to the abuse and establishing some sympathy for the victim. And I really believe some better words could be used other than those 4 'cycle words' to convey the message as it pertains to the situation of Lady Liberty being abused. Maybe it could be done with 3 words, maybe it'd be better with 5.

WIKI has this:

The cycle of abuse is a social cycle theory developed in the 1970s by Lenore Walker to explain patterns of behavior in an abusive relationship.[1]

Walker's theory rests on the idea that abusive relationships, once established, are characterized by a predictable repetitious pattern of abuse, whether emotional, psychological or physical, with psychological abuse nearly always preceding and accompanying physical abuse. Additionally, Walker suggested that sustained periods of living in such a cycle may lead to learned helplessness and battered person syndrome.

The cycle of abuse concept is widely used in domestic violence programs, particularly in the United States. Critics have argued the theory is flawed as it does not apply as universally as Walker suggested, does not accurately or completely describe all abusive relationships, and may favor ideological presumptions over empirical data.[2]

There are many varieties of the 'cycle abuse wheel' graphic. As many as the 'fire triangle' (oxygen, fuel, heat).

There does appear to be a copy righted 'abuse wheel' graphic of a different style out there that is maybe tied to course materials that include it?

The 'abuse cycle wheel' is convenient, but not essential to come to the conclusion that many of us have come to without even knowing the graphic existed.

Truth can certainly be stated in other ways and with other graphics. My apologies to your hackles.:)

[opal]

ok.. I'll see if I can come up with something presentable .. might take me a couple days. :)

[Anti Federalist]

OK, this pretty close to the final:

http://i.imgur.com/rMHo7.jpg

[mad cow]

I would switch soda cans.
Obama Pepsi,Romney Coke.

[coffeewithgames]

OK, this pretty close to the final:

http://i.imgur.com/rMHo7.jpg

If possible, and I'm looking now, perhaps two off-brand sodas, or a "Coca-Cola" and a "Great Value" or "Big K" type can...
There's a lot to go with here though, and I like it.

[fr33]

lol I love that image and tweeted it once so far but the color image is gonna cost me so much money. :P

I still want something without images and without foreign policy. Non-interventionism is still a losing stance among Republicans where I live unfortunately.

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[Travlyr]

OK, this pretty close to the final:

http://i.imgur.com/rMHo7.jpg

I wish I had a printer that worked. I would pass these out everywhere I could.