Get your tin foil hats on

[freedomordeath]

Hi there

I find this guy interesting, but towards the end of his video around 11:40 onwards he has a very different take on things... he even warns you to get your tin foil hat on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Jcbud16po

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg

this is from Dead Kennedyes

Rioting-the unbeatable high
Adrenalin shoots your nerves to the sky
Everyone knows this town is gonna blow
And it's all gonna blow right now

Now you can smash all the windows that you want
All you really need are some friends and a rock
Throwing a brick never felt so damn good
Smash more glass
Scream with a laugh
And wallow with the crowds
Watch them kicking peoples' ass

But you get to the place
Where the real slavedrivers live
It's walled off by the riot squad
Aiming guns right at your head
So you turn right around
And play right into their hands
And set your own neighbourhood
Burning to the ground instead

[Mini-Me]

Oh, shit. At the very least, Lindsey Williams is being repeated about what happened on the 6th:
http://www.examiner.com/article/dollar-no-longer-primary-oil-currency-as-china-begins-to-sell-oil-using-yuan

If true, this is REALLY bad. We'd better hope the guy narrating the video is incorrect about the Middle East's reserves or correct about the US having a ton of oil reserves ourselves, because if not, this event signifies we're likely to start seeing hyperinflation. I just ran a search, and I've dug up older articles like this (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11/24/content_11599087.htm), so it's not entirely unprecedented, but still...if/when OPEC follows suit, we're in really big trouble.

[sailingaway]

Oh, shit. At the very least, Lindsey Williams is being repeated about what happened on the 6th:
http://www.examiner.com/article/dollar-no-longer-primary-oil-currency-as-china-begins-to-sell-oil-using-yuan

If true, this is REALLY bad. We'd better hope the guy narrating the video is incorrect about the Middle East's reserves or correct about the US having a ton of oil reserves ourselves, because if not, this event signifies we're likely to start seeing hyperinflation. I just ran a search, and I've dug up older articles like this (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11/24/content_11599087.htm), so it's not entirely unprecedented, but still...if/when OPEC follows suit, we're in really big trouble.Didn't Obama just let the Chinese get the oil production we were going to get under the Keystone pipeline by passing our 'option' to get the oil ourselves?

I will have to watch this later, whatever it is. Does it belong here or hot topics?

[Mini-Me]

Didn't Obama just let the Chinese get the oil production we were going to get under the Keystone pipeline by passing our 'option' to get the oil ourselves?

I will have to watch this later, whatever it is. Does it belong here or hot topics?

I'm not sure about the Keystone pipeline deal, since I haven't been paying much attention to current events lately.

If I were to make a moderating decision, I'd put it in General Politics rather than Grassroots Central or Hot Topics. The most important piece of information here is the assertion Lindsey Williams made about Russia becoming the top oil producing nation and agreeing on September 6 to sell China an unlimited amount of oil without the dollar...which is very big news if true. It may be just a rumor at this point, but I'd consider this worthy of people's attention instead of throwing into the poop dungeon.

The narrator makes an attempt to link the event to speculation about oil supply, rumored gold deals with oil producing nations in the past to supplement petrodollar recycling, and the recent revolutions in the Middle East. This definitely amounts to guesswork about conspiratorial motives for the latter, and opinions will be divided on that part: I found it intriguing, and the narrator was pretty level-headed (if cynical), but the conspiracy-shy might still want it in Hot Topics. It's your call, but I'd say General Politics, since it's obviously unrelated to grassroots activism, yet the importance of Lindsey Williams's comments outweighs any "fringiness" IMO.

Especially considering the timing relative to the China/Japan situation, I have a bad feeling about this.

[Brian4Liberty]

One good question he brought up: what happened to Gaddafi's gold?

As far as conspiracy, he weaves a lot of things altogether into the conspiracy that the global elite are planned some mass terminations of the population, and the riots in the Muslim world are part of that. To condense: their oil is dried up and there is no more use for them, time to get them to destroy themselves.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I'm but the conspiracy-shy might still want it in Hot Topics. It's your call, but I'd say General Politics, since it's obviously unrelated to grassroots activism, yet the importance of Lindsey Williams's comments outweighs any "fringiness" IMO.

Especially considering the timing relative to the China/Japan situation, I have a bad feeling about this.


I'd call it conjecture instead of conspiracy. We all know there are groups of people involved in every step, so it's conspiracy, by default, no matter how you slice it.

[affa]

Didn't Obama just let the Chinese get the oil production we were going to get under the Keystone pipeline by passing our 'option' to get the oil ourselves?

I will have to watch this later, whatever it is. Does it belong here or hot topics?

it's not a terribly hot topic. the guy's theory is that the arab region is actually low on oil reserves and the western powers are deliberately moving away from the petro-dollar and allowing those regions to riot (burn their own neighborhoods, from the song quoted). and that we have large capped oil reserves that we've been intentionally hiding so that when this inevitably happened we'd be prepared. he doesn't really get to much into the chinese-russian oil deal, so i can't quite put him on a position for that, other than it certainly undermines the dollar.

[Mini-Me]

it's not a terribly hot topic. the guy's theory is that the arab region is actually low on oil reserves and the western powers are deliberately moving away from the petro-dollar and allowing those regions to riot (burn their own neighborhoods, from the song quoted). and that we have large capped oil reserves that we've been intentionally hiding so that when this inevitably happened we'd be prepared. he doesn't really get to much into the chinese-russian oil deal, so i can't quite put him on a position for that, other than it certainly undermines the dollar.

Yeah, that's about the long and short of it. He didn't have much of an opinion on the China/Russia deal other than that it's a sign of the times, but if it's true, it's clearly a matter of them preparing for the collapse of the petrodollar (and/or sparking it on their own terms).

One thing that disturbs me is that the "hidden US oil reserves" - which he seems to imply will spare us from complete economic devastation - seem to be the weakest and most extraneous part of his argument. The "elite" are mobile and know no creed or nationality, so they'd be pretty unaffected by famines in the US. Our survival is in no way necessary for theirs, so in other words, no plans of theirs would even need to be contingent upon secret US reserves. If we don't have any, we're going to be suddenly left without any real means to grow or export food if the petrodollar fails this soon.

As a side note on the "most conspiratorial subject of all," I have no idea whether the elite have any real plans for global genocide, and I hope the "Georgia Guidestones" were just some fringe element's sick fantasy rather than a real plan. If any such plans exist though, we're almost guaranteed to be a part of them, considering how little it would take to wipe us out. If I were an evil overlord with a "Georgia Guidestones" plan, I'd consider the entire US the quickest and easiest 300 million "sacrifices" available. Our dependence on a highly nonlocal food supply and lack of manufacturing puts us in a position that's almost uniquely horrible.

[BestVirginia]

I recommend the book 'Collapse' by Michael C Ruppert, and the accompanying documentary based on the book. Look into the Post Carbon Institute and anything by Dmitri Orlov.

[freedomordeath]

One good question he brought up: what happened to Gaddafi's gold?

As far as conspiracy, he weaves a lot of things altogether into the conspiracy that the global elite are planned some mass terminations of the population, and the riots in the Muslim world are part of that. To condense: their oil is dried up and there is no more use for them, time to get them to destroy themselves.

I come from South Africa and yes we were the evil ones for Apartheid, but that was simply an excuse to take us out. I know apartheid was wrong because it goes against everything I believe now after Ron Paul's teachings, but the elite took us out not because they cared about Apartheid, but because they wanted total control of our central banking and resources... Gill Marcus former communist (her parents were Eastern European communists) now runs our private central bank, notice the non-African sounding names within the ANC (African NAtional Congress the ruling party), notice that the main opposition party in South Africa is lead by Helen Zille http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille (and even got a prize from Mayor Bloomberg for being such a good mayor of Cape Town) the DA were the former progressive left wingers that have rebanded themselves into this right of centre party to get the White/Indian/Mixed race vote.

I COME FROM A COUNTRY THAT WAS THROWN INTO TURMOIL, with murder, disease and choas. Where the death rate from pure crime was sometimes more on some days then Iraq and Bosnia at war. Trust me this is MORE THEN CONSPIRACY, yes the dude in the video is speculating, but throwing countries in turmoil is a speciality, they use the poor as a weapon, and we as South Africans were hard bastards.. we are like you Americans that fought against the British empire. Our poeple fought to the death against the British and evetually put our poeple into concentration camps and fed our woman and children food mixed with ground up glass and even fish hooks.

During the 80s even had nukes (conventional bomb type not warheads) and were building an inter-continental missile with Isreali technology, the whole programme has now been dismantled. The funny thing was we were being helped by Isreal with weapon technology and Henry Kissinger convinced us to get into Angola.. google 32 Battalion. The Irony was that the west put a total arms embargo against us and hard core sanctions and a relentless media attack for decades, but then we were being helped by Isreal to fight off the Russians in Angola. Once the cold war was over.. boom we were taken out from within, PW Botha had a sudden stroke and the new leadership handed the country over.

I must admit depsite what they did, I am encouraged by recent events in the country and it seems peace is starting to sink in with alot less murders, but the farm murders of white farmers is still a big problem.


Here is an article of murders in SA

source http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/321.htm

JOHANNESBURG WORLD’S TOP MURDER CAPITOL

AUGUST 30, 2001 — The city of Amsterdam in the Netherlands — with 5,6 murders per 100,000 population — has been declared the “murder capitol of Europe”, it was reported here today. Johannesburg, with 61.2 murders per 100,00 population in the year 2000, remains the world’s murder city for the fourth year running, however.

SA POLICE Crime Statistics from 1994: http://www.saps.org.za/8_crimeinfo/bulletin/942000/murder.htm

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“My question is this: ‘did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?”‘

BY Vusile Tshabalala, journalist, http://www.censorbugbear.com

August 2001– At the start of the year 1900, the number of African South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared to 8,5-million — and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us — all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in homelands and townships — and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond’s rigid racial segregation system.

During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also had the benefit of the Broers’ medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.

Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the decades prior to the official policy of apartheid, (which was started in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was only 38 years.

However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to 1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years — on a par with Europe’s average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe’s, but considerably lower than the rest of the African continent’s.

And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased by 50% percent. (source: “a crime against humanity: analysing repression of the Apartheid State”, by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee).

Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks, but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.

After apartheid:

The present Aids-HIV epidemic — against which the Mbeki-regime undertakes no action and still is publicly failing to properly acknowledge — the World Health Organisation estimates that more than 6-million African South Africans will be dead within the forthcoming decade. And the Mbeki-led ANC regime, which could have undertaken a huge prevention campaign such as Uganda’s a long time ago, has done nothing to stave off this terrible death rate.

SA hospitals “becoming places of death” -

In November last year it was being reported in The Star that South African hospitals are becoming places for dying — instead of healing. In June this year, it was reported that our cemeteries were filling up so rapidly that upright funerals were being contemplated to save space. Still, Aids is not being spoken about at our funerals, and the silence and utterly unscientific public statements about HIV-Aids from Mbeki’s continue unabated while our people are dying.

Democratic Alliance spokesman Jack Bloom warned late last year that the 20% rise in deaths over the past four years among patients treated at Johannesburg Hospital could only be blamed on the high crime rate and the very serious decline in patient care. Why is our patient care so poor now, and our crime rate so high? The answer is simple: our public funds are being looted by the ANC hierarchy. And the police seem helpless to stop it.

Tuberculosis funds looted:

On July 10, 2001, the SA health department announced that it was going to stop R6,6-million in annual funding to the SA National Tuberculosis Assocation because of the ongoing looting of its funds and the lavish lifestyles of its (African) executives, who award themselves R400,000 annual salaries and spend R5000 a month on cellphone calls alone… while millions of South African TB patients go untreated and are wasting away of a deadly, but curable disease.

During apartheid, please note that the SANTA executives were seen to be extremely frugal with the governments’ funding — that many thousands of patients were cured annually, and that many doctors and nurses even VOLUNTEERED their services free of charge.

The question is this: “why is this man still CEO of SANTA? Why has he not been fired on the spot?”

Violent deaths from 1994 to 2000:

And the SA Police reports this month — access their website’s statistics at http://www.saps.org.za — that a total of 174,220 people died violent deaths, from crime-related violence, between 1994 and the year 2000.

So my question is this: “did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?”

[cbc58]

this is some pretty wild stuff happening. hope i live through it to see how it turns out.