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donnay
09-13-2012, 11:50 AM
Jesse Ventura wants a grassroot effort to get him on the 2016 ballot. He will run for President as a complete independent!

He does not want to be in any party. He will run completely independent. He said we need to stop the two party dictatorship!!


He just announced it on Alex Jones show.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zwWR7-x36c

sevin
09-13-2012, 12:13 PM
hmm... I like a lot of what he has to say, but I don't see how he can get enough people to take him seriously.

jllundqu
09-13-2012, 12:15 PM
Agreed.... after his Conspriacy Theory show on TV, he will be brushed off as a quack and ignored...

I do like him and would vote for him over any Dem or Repub any day...

BamaFanNKy
09-13-2012, 12:16 PM
El Presidente:
http://media.nowpublic.net/images//92/8/928d74cfec82e4e007fc916c69b06602.jpg

Keith and stuff
09-13-2012, 12:19 PM
It might work. I could see the final results like this.
Clinton 48%
Bush 44%
Ventura 7%
Geenie 1%
LP 0.3%

or maybe

Clinton 48%
Christie 44%
Ventura 7%
Geenie 1%
LP 0.3%

or maybe

Clinton 46%
Rand Paul 43%
Ventura 10%
Geenie 2%
LP 0.3%

donnay
09-13-2012, 12:24 PM
Love or hate Jesse-- one thing I respect him for is he calls 'em as he sees 'em. He is also very open minded and will research things and not rely on what the status quo says.

He knows the country is in a downward spiral and something has to be done to wake the people up. I couldn't agree with him more.

thelaibon
09-13-2012, 12:30 PM
Glad to see him thinking of running. Down with the dem/rep monopoly!

alucard13mmfmj
09-13-2012, 12:31 PM
I'll vote for him just cause he was in Predator. lolzz.

Conspiracy Theory will make it hard for him to be taken seriously.

He should go to debates with an electric minigun.

Romulus
09-13-2012, 12:40 PM
He should go on the debates dressed up like the TSA.

NewRightLibertarian
09-13-2012, 12:41 PM
I will be working to make this happen. Guy has some brass balls, and he has the right idea on the most important issues even though he's not a libertarian.

John F Kennedy III
09-13-2012, 12:48 PM
Hell yeah :) JESSE VENTURA 2016!

AJ Antimony
09-13-2012, 12:53 PM
hmm... I like a lot of what he has to say, but I don't see how he can get enough people to take him seriously.

All he really has going for him is that he's a former independent governor. His running mate choice will be a huge factor.

alucard13mmfmj
09-13-2012, 12:57 PM
Former Governor.. AND Blain from Predator =D...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w

Pretty sure he'd get pro-gun and social conservatives onboard.

dannno
09-13-2012, 01:02 PM
This thread looks way different than threads about Gary Johnson.

DavidK
09-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Voting for him -- I don't even care if he's pro choice he's right about every other issue. Rand lost me for any future elections after his endorsement for Romney, so Ventura is pretty much the last person on my list. My favorite thing about him is like how everyone else said, he has some serious balls and will never take **** from anybody. We need that kind of president.

NewRightLibertarian
09-13-2012, 01:12 PM
This thread looks way different than threads about Gary Johnson.

Jesse's a way better candidate than Johnson who is too wishy-washy

WilliamShrugged
09-13-2012, 01:12 PM
Love to see him in debates (like he could even enter one...) but no chance in winning. The media will have a field day with his quotes, books, and tv show. Besides i'll get tired of hearing, "I was a former navy seal" every time foreign policy is brought up.

acptulsa
09-13-2012, 01:15 PM
He should go to debates with an electric minigun.

That would be his best hope.


hmm... I like a lot of what he has to say, but I don't see how he can get enough people to take him seriously.

And that will probably be on his tombstone.

Romulus
09-13-2012, 01:16 PM
Jessie is pretty much the anti-politician. I like that.

Romulus
09-13-2012, 01:17 PM
Love to see him in debates (like he could even enter one...) but no chance in winning. The media will have a field day with his quotes, books, and tv show. Besides i'll get tired of hearing, "I was a former navy seal" every time foreign policy is brought up.

The dude won governorship! I think that is great. It gives me some stupid hope.

tttppp
09-13-2012, 01:20 PM
Does anyone know what his policies are?

Romulus
09-13-2012, 01:24 PM
Does anyone know what his policies are?

Truth?

oh noes a truther!!!!!!!!

NewRightLibertarian
09-13-2012, 01:25 PM
At the very least, his campaign would be a huge boon for the truth movement and get the truth about 9/11 into the minds of millions of more people. If he got into the debates, anything could happen.

dannno
09-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Jesse's a way better candidate than Johnson who is too wishy-washy

I support both for different reasons.

Gary Johnson has a better understanding of economics - Jesse Ventura likes universal healthcare and Gary Johnson is a libertarian

Gary Johnson is better at pandering, which I think is part of what gives him that wishy-washy status, but could also help win elections - Rand Paul uses this strategy to a large extent

Both are pro-choice, which I have no problem with, but others seem to give Gary Johnson more flack for it.

Ventura knows the system is corrupt, more importantly he knows THE EXTENT to which the system is corrupt, he is familiar with the mechanisms that make it corrupt and he has strong convictions. That is reason enough to support him over the status quo, imo.

Romulus
09-13-2012, 01:28 PM
At the very least, his campaign would be a huge boon for the truth movement and get the truth about 9/11 into the minds of millions of more people. If he got into the debates, anything could happen.

He's not a truther.. he's independent..he admits that.

It's not like Luke loose change would be his press secretary. lol

NewRightLibertarian
09-13-2012, 01:30 PM
It's not like Luke loose change would be his press secretary. lol

Haha well, now you're making me lose some enthusiasm for his potential run for presidency!

dbill27
09-13-2012, 01:33 PM
jesse ventura has the likeability factor that gives him a chance in any race he runs for in politics, except president imo. He would be attacked ruthlessly by both sides and be labeled as an unstable nut. It would great entertainment to sit back and watch the show though.

NewRightLibertarian
09-13-2012, 01:34 PM
jesse ventura has the likeability factor that gives him a chance in any race he runs for in politics, except president imo. He would be attacked ruthlessly by both sides and be labeled as an unstable nut. It would great entertainment to sit back and watch the show though.

It might backfire though. He certainly has the stones to take the heat and give it right back to them. He would also connect with voters on some key issues, the war issue especially.

WilliamShrugged
09-13-2012, 01:36 PM
The dude won governorship! I think that is great. It gives me some stupid hope. He has a better chance running as a governor again (i don't know if he legally can) he lives in Mexico so get him to move to a state like NV, NH, MN (again) to run. Outside of that he is likely to not win shit

jkob
09-13-2012, 01:55 PM
At this point, Jesse hurts more than he helps. He doesn't try to be taken seriously, any extra attention the movement would get with him running would be further marginalization. I like Jesse but I'm not sure the unconverted would, he's very abrasive and confrontational when he's debating someone. He's certainly not pure or even good on a lot of issues either.

donnay
09-13-2012, 01:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xPtAG_N10&feature=related

Neil Desmond
09-13-2012, 02:39 PM
Reagan was an actor and governor, just like Ventura & Reagan was able to become a 2-term President. I think Ventura has the potential to win because he'll probably be able to get tons of media coverage and draw huge audiences.

He might have his faults (don't we all?), but he seems very far from the typical characters that keep getting forced upon us as the candidates for President. I've been sick and tired of that repeating pattern and I think that the rest of the country is too.

UMULAS
09-13-2012, 02:40 PM
He said he's an atheist.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

So he's not going to win, he lost the conservatives.

ronpaulfollower999
09-13-2012, 02:56 PM
This thread looks way different than threads about Gary Johnson.

Jesse is an actual bad ass. GJ pretends to be one.

Occam's Banana
09-13-2012, 02:56 PM
hmm... I like a lot of what he has to say, but I don't see how he can get enough people to take him seriously.

Much the same was said of him when he ran for governor. It will be interesting to see how things play out this time.


Agreed.... after his Conspriacy Theory show on TV, he will be brushed off as a quack and ignored...

Ironically, an attempt to discredit or ridicule him in this manner might actually backfire. It's not easy to caricature a caricature.

mac_hine
09-13-2012, 02:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqcOD1F1Iw&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=3&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_j_P1ecfME&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=2&feature=plpp_video

I love Jesse, but before I could consider supporting him for POTUS, I think he seriously needs a crash course in Austrian Economics. He has 4 years to study up.

Jingles
09-13-2012, 02:58 PM
Meh

donnay
09-13-2012, 03:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqcOD1F1Iw&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=3&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_j_P1ecfME&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=2&feature=plpp_video

I love Jesse, but before I could consider supporting him for POTUS, I think he seriously needs a crash course in Austrian Economics. He has 4 years to study up.

I am sure Dr. Paul wouldn't mine tutoring him. :)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mGwZvXMlIU

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 03:22 PM
//
Wrong year. Sorry about that.

mac_hine
09-13-2012, 03:24 PM
He's talking about 2016.

donnay
09-13-2012, 03:25 PM
Too late Jesse, no time to get on the ballots and too late to for write ins in a lot of states as well, Jesse knows this, he knows there is no possible chance he could win, so what is this really all about Jesse? What are you trying to accomplish with your very late announcement that you will run for president?

My vote still goes to Ron Paul!


*Ahem* Ricky this is for the year 2016.

Anti Federalist
09-13-2012, 03:28 PM
I could get behind this.

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 03:31 PM
He's talking about 2016.

Oh, I overlooked that part. This is a very early announcement then. By golly, it looks like he is serious! I Love it!

fr33
09-13-2012, 03:34 PM
I'll just sit back and laugh. He supports his own kind of socialist tyranny in government.

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 03:35 PM
*Ahem* Ricky this is for the year 2016.

Yeah, somehow I missed the 2016 part. Not sure how. I think this is a great move and he sounds serious. I hope he stays safe, and moves back to the USA full time.

mac_hine
09-13-2012, 03:35 PM
I am sure Dr. Paul wouldn't mine tutoring him. :)



My ideal coaching staff for Jesse ventura:

Ron Paul/Bob Murphy/Jeffrey Tucker/Walter Williams- Economics
Tom Woods- History/debate coach
Lew Rockwell/Ron Paul: Foreign Policy

Couple Jesse's no-nonsense personality with a bit more knowledge and understanding of key issues, and we may have something here.

ChrisDixon
09-13-2012, 03:36 PM
I like Ventura, but I don't think he can win it. He's too controversial and sometimes abrasive.

cajuncocoa
09-13-2012, 03:41 PM
Jesse Ventura 2016...sounds good to me!

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 03:52 PM
Jesse Ventura 2016...sounds good to me!

It does sound good, the only thing better right now would be Ron Paul 2016!

donnay
09-13-2012, 03:54 PM
I like Ventura, but I don't think he can win it. He's too controversial and sometimes abrasive.


I want abrasive. Dr. Paul, God bless him, he was Mr. Nice-guy and controversial, at times, the establishment ran roughshod over him. We need a no nonsense kind of guy who will not back down and will speak louder than the status quo.

A side note: Jesse is very familiar with Maine politics too, he is very good friends with Angus King.

opal
09-13-2012, 04:04 PM
Well, now I know who I'm writing in for VB. I was in toss up mode with about 5 people.

trey4sports
09-13-2012, 04:39 PM
Batshit Crazy '16

cajuncocoa
09-13-2012, 04:40 PM
It does sound good, the only thing better right now would be Ron Paul 2016!I agree!!

MRoCkEd
09-13-2012, 04:45 PM
Could you vote for someone who thinks capitalism is a failure and we need a mix of socialism? Because that's what Jesse has said.

TheGrinch
09-13-2012, 04:46 PM
Quite a lot would have to change and become known to the mainstream for Jesses to even have a miniscule shot in 2016.

Ron Paul's message can be articulated in a way that speaks to every man, woman and child on planet earth if phrased correctly. The things Jesse preaches however, the public is nowhere near ready to accept.

alucard13mmfmj
09-13-2012, 05:24 PM
If Jesse Ventura runs and Rand Paul runs... that won't be good.

Also, would Ron Paul endorse Jesse or at least say he is better than 2016 GOP/democrat candidates?

AuH20
09-13-2012, 05:27 PM
Jesse is a fringe candidate who won't garner anymore than 12% nationally. A dead end who would get eaten up and spit out by the media.

AuH20
09-13-2012, 05:39 PM
Reagan was an actor and governor, just like Ventura & Reagan was able to become a 2-term President. I think Ventura has the potential to win because he'll probably be able to get tons of media coverage and draw huge audiences.

He might have his faults (don't we all?), but he seems very far from the typical characters that keep getting forced upon us as the candidates for President. I've been sick and tired of that repeating pattern and I think that the rest of the country is too.

If someone like Jim Norton can make him fly off the handle, how is he going to handle the professional news media??? He'd be so far out of his depth to run for President.

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 05:47 PM
Jesse is a fringe candidate who won't garner anymore than 12% nationally. A dead end who would get eaten up and spit out by the media.

The same thing was said about him when he ran for Governor of Minnesota. He was behind in every poll but manged to win anyway thanks to all the first time ever voters that came out to vote for him that were never polled by anyone because people figured they would not vote.

awake
09-13-2012, 05:50 PM
I think he would be great in the debates, but in office he would be a Navy Seal ( military dictator).

AuH20
09-13-2012, 05:51 PM
The same thing was said about him when he ran for Governor of Minnesota. He was behind in every poll but manged to win anyway thanks to all the first time ever voters that came out to vote for him that were never polled by anyone because people figured they would not vote.

Minnesota. The land of many lakes and clueless voters. Look at Amy Klobuchar who is a borderline Bolshevik yet is inexplicably cloaked as moderate in Minnesota.

DavidK
09-13-2012, 05:53 PM
I think he would be great in the debates, but in office he would be a Navy Seal ( military dictator).

I'd rather have a dictator who supports the constitution then one who does not. Am I right?

donnay
09-13-2012, 05:58 PM
Could you vote for someone who thinks capitalism is a failure and we need a mix of socialism? Because that's what Jesse has said.

Wow, I thought you wound up in the wrong thread. I thought you were talking about Mitt Romney there for a second.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSrRCiu9E0

awake
09-13-2012, 06:01 PM
I'd rather have a dictator who supports the constitution then one who does not. Am I right?

Thing is, dictatorship has nothing to due with liberty.

donnay
09-13-2012, 06:09 PM
I think he would be great in the debates, but in office he would be a Navy Seal ( military dictator).


Jesse Ventura is anti imperialistic wars. Listen to the interview above with Piers Morgan.

Occam's Banana
09-13-2012, 06:13 PM
Minnesota. The land of many lakes and clueless voters. Look at Amy Klobuchar who is a borderline Bolshevik yet is inexplicably cloaked as moderate in Minnesota.

In these regards (with the possible exception of lakes) Minnesota differs with the rest of the country ... how, exactly?

tttppp
09-13-2012, 06:19 PM
Thing is, dictatorship has nothing to due with liberty.

You can have a dictatorship and have liberty. You can also have a democracy and have no liberty.

awake
09-13-2012, 06:31 PM
Jesse Ventura is anti imperialistic wars. Listen to the interview above with Piers Morgan.

Maybe so, but he is all for Special Operations, who happen to be some of the first instigators/interventions to help initiate wars around the world. He is all Seal, you can see it very clearly.

donnay
09-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Maybe so, but he is all for Special Operations, who happen to be some of the first instigators/interventions to help initiate wars around the world. He is all Seal, you can see it very clearly.

In an interview in Forbes Magazine Jesse had this to say when asked if he would send his kids to war.

"I’d be a conscientious objector. You’re going to war for corporations, not for people. Smedley Butler, a general in the Marine Corp., said that about our interventions in Central America. It’s a very well known critique about U.S. wars."
http://lewrockwell.com/spl4/jesse-ventura-democrips-rebloodicans.html

Peace&Freedom
09-13-2012, 08:00 PM
If Ron Paul is not going to run again, Ventura would be an ideal third party alternative, from the point of view of grabbing and inspiring a true grassroots following. We'd also get to see how far a candidate who openly talks about conspiracy, false flags and the corporate-elite-intelligence axis running this country. We've tried twice with a candidate who avoided these matters, and look how many primaries we won? Certain people keep claiming such a candidacy will go no where, but it's time we had a solid real world test. We'll have a choice in 2016 between a popular candidate in Rand Paul, who is retreating further from liberty issues than Ron Paul, or a popular candidate who goes further hardcore, in Ventura.

fr33
09-13-2012, 08:07 PM
If Ron Paul is not going to run again, Ventura would be an ideal third party alternative, from the point of view of grabbing and inspiring a true grassroots following. We'd also get to see how far a candidate who openly talks about conspiracy, false flags and the corporate-elite-intelligence axis running this country. We've tried twice with a candidate who avoided these matters, and look how many primaries we won? Certain people keep claiming such a candidacy will go no where, but it's time we had a solid real world test. We'll have a choice in 2016 between a popular candidate in Rand Paul, who is retreating further from liberty issues that Ron Paul, or a popular candidate who goes further hardcore, in Ventura.Sorry but I do believe you would lose even worse with a conspiracy candidate like Ventura. If you think Ron Paul was marginalized by the media, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:07 PM
I would consider it. I like Jesse.

Michael Landon
09-13-2012, 08:08 PM
In these regards (with the possible exception of lakes) Minnesota differs with the rest of the country ... how, exactly?

33 votes for Paul at the RNC.

- ML

AuH20
09-13-2012, 08:08 PM
I would consider it. I like Jesse.

No one is saying, he's not likeable. I own one of his books and enjoyed it. But he's a horrible candidate.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:11 PM
No one is saying, he's not likeable. I own one of his books and enjoyed it. But he's a horrible candidate.


But he might be a great leader.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:12 PM
Sorry but I do believe you would lose even worse with a conspiracy candidate like Ventura. If you think Ron Paul was marginalized by the media, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

I think he would just kick the media's ass

donnay
09-13-2012, 08:13 PM
No one is saying, he's not likeable. But he's a horrible candidate.


So says you. I would gleefully rally behind Ventura and I know many disenfranchised Ron Paul supporters who would also get behind him too.

AuH20
09-13-2012, 08:14 PM
I think he would just kick the media's ass

Not really. The media controls the narrative. They can edit whatever they want and frame whatever they want. They would slice and dice a boisterous Jesse into tiny, little pieces.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:14 PM
Hey people...it's not a conspiracy if it's true.....food for thought in a world of misnomers

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:15 PM
Not really. The media controls the narrative. They can edit whatever they want and frame whatever they want. They would slice and dice Jesse into tiny, little pieces.

Maybe it's time they got sliced and diced into tiny, little pieces

donnay
09-13-2012, 08:16 PM
Sorry but I do believe you would lose even worse with a conspiracy candidate like Ventura. If you think Ron Paul was marginalized by the media, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

How is Jesse a conspiracy candidate?

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

donnay
09-13-2012, 08:18 PM
Not really. The media controls the narrative. They can edit whatever they want and frame whatever they want. They would slice and dice a boisterous Jesse into tiny, little pieces.

I think you underestimate Jesse Ventura. I have seen him throw truth bombs at the media and made them look like asses. Brian Kilmeade for example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2h8imURMFk

AuH20
09-13-2012, 08:22 PM
I think you underestimate Jesse Ventura. I have seen him throw truth bombs at the media and made them look like asses. Brian Kilmeade for example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2h8imURMFk

I think you underestimate the mass media. Multiple networks and newspapers all coming down on this man like a 400 pound anvil dropped from a skyscraper. They will likely go after his questionable statements about being a Navy SEAL as well as some of his scandals in Minnesota as governor. Jesse doesn't possess the tact to handle the media because he only has 1 speed. He comes off as loud and brutish, which is exactly what the media desires out of their opponents. He's an easy score who can be easily marginalized.

fr33
09-13-2012, 08:26 PM
I think he would just kick the media's ass
Literally or figuratively?


Hey people...it's not a conspiracy if it's true.....food for thought in a world of misnomers


How is Jesse a conspiracy candidate?

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

Regardless, he will be called the conspiracy candidate. In America, it is mob rule and the majority make the labels. To not understand this is to live in an alternate reality, which is what I think someone who takes a Ventura candidacy seriously lives in.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:26 PM
I think you underestimate the mass media. Multiple networks and newspapers all coming down on this man like a 400 pound anvil dropped from a skyscraper. Going after his questionable statements about being a Navy SEAL as well as some of his scandals in Minnesota as governor. Jesse doesn't possess the tact to handle the media because he only has 1 speed. He comes off as loud and brutish, which is exactly what the media desires out of their opponents. He's an easy score who can be easily marginalized.

Why doest thou protest so much?

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Literally or figuratively?





Regardless, he will be called the conspiracy candidate. In America, it is mob rule and the majority make the labels. To not understand this is to live in an alternate reality, which is what I think someone who takes a Ventura candidacy seriously lives in.

My mama always said can't never could do anything.

AuH20
09-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Why doest thou protest so much?

Because you need to hear the unvarnished truth. I don't mind running a controversial conspiracy candidate but this ain't the guy.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:30 PM
Because you need to hear the unvarnished truth. I don't mind running a controversial conspiracy candidate but this ain't the guy.

Why do you assume I am not very well acquainted with the kind of guy he is? I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

fr33
09-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Tell me why I should support a socialist like Ventura and I might consider voting for the socialists that are running this time around. In other words, not gonna happen.

Carlybee
09-13-2012, 08:57 PM
I don't see how Jesse is a socialist but anyway.... Donnay if this grows any legs, count me in on any discussion but not sure I care to discuss it on this board.

donnay
09-13-2012, 09:01 PM
Tell me why I should support a socialist like Ventura and I might consider voting for the socialists that are running this time around. In other words, not gonna happen.

Socialist like Ventura. Care to cite your sources--I mean current one, that is.

AuH20
09-13-2012, 09:05 PM
Socialist like Ventura. Care to cite your sources--I mean current one, that is.

Jesse does have more than a few socialist tendencies. He's a fan of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, even as going as far to state that he's an advocate for mandatory solar energy panels in every home. He's also an advocate for universal health care, regardless of the ramifications for the consumer as well as the medical community. He is a man of very strange contradictions. An ally certainly but...

seyferjm
09-13-2012, 09:11 PM
I have mixed feelings about him. i was reading through his book Democrips and Rebloodicans at B&N and found it to be quite interesting, even though I don't agree with all his positions. He does give Ron credit for standing up to the Fed and political corruption.

AuH20
09-13-2012, 09:11 PM
I have mixed feelings about him. i was reading through his book Democrips and Rebloodicans at B&N and found it to be quite interesting, even though I don't agree with all his positions. He does give Ron credit for standing up to the Fed and political corruption.

He's a valuable activist. Presidential savior??? Not so much.

fr33
09-13-2012, 09:16 PM
Socialist like Ventura. Care to cite your sources--I mean current one, that is.For starters, he supports Obamacare.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/jesse-ventura-on-how-democrats-and-republicans-are-like-crips-and-bloods/258652/

But so many of the things you talk about in the book -- taxing the rich, gay marriage, etc. -- are things you disagree with Congressman Paul on.

It's the big picture. You're not going to agree with a candidate on every issue. Congressman Paul and I disagree on abortion. You shouldn't be a one-issue person .... You know how everyone bitched about Obamacare? Everyone in America should have the same health care as a congressman and a senator, and that's government-run health care. Where does John Boehner get his health care? And yet he won't let us have it. Every citizen should get the same benefits as senators.


There are many many many more things I can go google and get links to show he's for a big centralized government. I've heard him talk enough. It's just a matter of searching the links and I think you are being facetious to deny it if you are such a fan of his and know so much about him.

AuH20
09-13-2012, 09:18 PM
For starters, he supports Obamacare.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/jesse-ventura-on-how-democrats-and-republicans-are-like-crips-and-bloods/258652/



There are many many many more things I can go google and get links to show he's for a big centralized government. I've heard him talk enough. It's just a matter of searching the links and I think you are being facetious to deny it if you are such a fan of his and know so much about him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t_qwrgbjQi8

seyferjm
09-13-2012, 09:20 PM
He's a valuable activist. Presidential savior??? Not so much.
Yes, I agree with you on that.

donnay
09-13-2012, 09:53 PM
Jesse does have more than a few socialist tendencies. He's a fan of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, even as going as far to state that he's an advocate for mandatory solar energy panels in every home. He's also an advocate for universal health care, regardless of the ramifications for the consumer as well as the medical community. He is a man of very strange contradictions. An ally certainly but...

I guess you haven't heard him lately. He's not buying it anymore.

Review:Jesse Ventura:Global Warming Conspiracy Theory

by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
Dec. 26, 2009

In his "Conspiracy Theory" series, movie star, professional wrestler, former Navy SEAL and former Minnesota governor, Jesse Ventura and his team take on Global Warming.

His group of researchers appear to start out as "believers" in man-caused global warming, but in the course of investigating the topic they come to a very different conclusion – one they would have abhorred at the outset.

First, they point out that there is a significant scientific body of evidence that global mean temperatures have actually been decreasing in recent years. Second, the primary driver by far for earth temperatures is the sun and sun spot cycles.

The most chilling aspect is that the earliest pioneers of the global warming argument have been promoting it for political purposes of having a reason to push the world toward a global dictatorship by the name of the New World Order. Some of the key proponents of global warming, such as Maurice Strong (and Al Gore), have profited hugely (multi-billions of dollars) from their involvement in economic kickbacks from things such as cap and trade.

Back in the early 1990's, I interviewed George Hunt, who is featured in Ventura's segment. He is a fellow Boulder Coloradoan, and he snuck into a globalist meeting in Denver, and caught the conspirators on tape planning to use global warming pitted against industry, out of which would come their "synthesis" of a New World Order. I heard a recording of Maurice Strong referring to the common people of the world as mere "cannon fodder." I think I still have that audio tape in a box in my basement somewhere.

I would take exception with Jesse when it comes to Al Gore. I do not believe Al doesn't know what he's doing; but I see him as a very knowledgeable insider promoting the agenda of the New World Order, becoming the darling poster child for pushing the global warming perception and painting humans as enemies of the planet.

Jesse has been friends with Al, and seemed loath to come to the conclusion that Al might be part of the NWO cabal that he unveiled in this segment.

"A lot of people who preach the global warming gospel are not out to save the world, they're out to run it." -- Jesse Ventura





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMswZMrvF6o&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMLNuRmcL0&feature=watch_response


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l8apNzTM_U&feature=watch_response


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4IY2Gmon1s&feature=watch_response


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsvs3lAJ4NU&feature=watch_response


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT9nNPivxVE&feature=watch_response

trey4sports
09-13-2012, 09:59 PM
Jesse Ventura is nothing more than a gimmick candidate. He would however unite just about every conspiratorial group though.

donnay
09-13-2012, 10:10 PM
Jesse Ventura on America’s Political System
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1702838522001/jesse-ventura-on-americas-political-system

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 10:16 PM
I have mixed feelings about him. i was reading through his book Democrips and Rebloodicans at B&N and found it to be quite interesting, even though I don't agree with all his positions. He does give Ron credit for standing up to the Fed and political corruption.

I really liked his chapter on Ron Paul. That is all I have read, and I also read it at Barnes and Noble. I hope that bookstore can stay around, I would really miss it if it went bankrupt.

RickyJ
09-13-2012, 10:16 PM
//

kill the banks
09-13-2012, 10:26 PM
the truth needs voices ... I hope Jesse finds a place where he can excell ... do not underestimate this man ( he can and has changed minds / the media mafia needs competition )

donnay
09-13-2012, 10:30 PM
For starters, he supports Obamacare.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/jesse-ventura-on-how-democrats-and-republicans-are-like-crips-and-bloods/258652/


There are many many many more things I can go google and get links to show he's for a big centralized government. I've heard him talk enough. It's just a matter of searching the links and I think you are being facetious to deny it if you are such a fan of his and know so much about him.


You have got to admit he definitely has a point about congressional health care. And he is also right, you are not going to agree with a candidate on every issue. One thing I applaud him is that he speaks out about the two party corruption.

tttppp
09-13-2012, 10:43 PM
You have got to admit he definitely has a point about congressional health care. And he is also right, you are not going to agree with a candidate on every issue. One thing I applaud him is that he speaks out about the two party corruption.

Its one thing to identify a problem. However, a president should be able to create a solution that most americans couldn't think of themselves. That's where Ron Paul separates himself from most people. Based on the quotes in this thread on Ventura on health care, he identified the problem, but did not have a good solution. I could agree with half the democrats on what is a problem, however Id agree with none of them on what the solution should be. Just identifying a problem is not good enough for me.

fr33
09-13-2012, 10:45 PM
You have got to admit he definitely has a point about congressional health care. And he is also right, you are not going to agree with a candidate on every issue. One thing I applaud him is that he speaks out about the two party corruption.Then you agree with Obama on that. I don't. I support free market economics. Healthcare is overpriced because of government involvement. Period.

donnay
09-13-2012, 11:13 PM
Then you agree with Obama on that. I don't. I support free market economics. Healthcare is overpriced because of government involvement. Period.

The point I was going with is, that Congress has the best of the best, not the proles (us). The best health care and retirement packages off the backs of proles. I am not for any of it. Government is too damn big and needs to be downsized to a limited government our founders set us up with.

I am also for a free market.

donnay
09-13-2012, 11:15 PM
Its one thing to identify a problem. However, a president should be able to create a solution that most americans couldn't think of themselves. That's where Ron Paul separates himself from most people. Based on the quotes in this thread on Ventura on health care, he identified the problem, but did not have a good solution. I could agree with half the democrats on what is a problem, however Id agree with none of them on what the solution should be. Just identifying a problem is not good enough for me.

Jesse has given lots of solutions to problems we face--one of which is to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. That's a start.

tttppp
09-13-2012, 11:27 PM
Jesse has given lots of solutions to problems we face--one of which is to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. That's a start.

I'm willing to listen to some of his proposed solutions. That's why I asked earlier in this thread what his policies were. Not voting for the lesser of two evils is something a five year old can come with. I agree with him, but that doesn't qualify someone to be president. One thing that would help qualify him, would be a solution that would fix the problems with the two party system.

LibertasPraesidium
09-13-2012, 11:57 PM
Ventura/Paul

Ventura/Not Paul? Someone said that his running mate would be huge. Someone huge on economics (Peter Schiff) lol. Who would make a good choice. I want to see what happens it's not hard to get him on the ballot for 2016 in this state. (I live in MN, he won governor, people still like him because they don't watch the conspiracy stuff.)

My fiancee has a good in-touch thought process with the sheep type of thinking and immediately said he is a nut job. (She is slowly catching on and even stole my spot next to Ron Paul in a picture when he came to the MN HQ.)

But deep down, if he comes up with a good platform, (as a complete independent) he could have a shot and I would definitively vote for him. Thousands of questions remain about the next election but we might as well start thinking and acting now.

As far as his chances, let his team of advisers figure that out (that would be one special group of people) the rest is in the hands of the people. If you want the conspiracy candidate, then make it happen.

This is a solitary choice, if a movement grows, and expands enough he may get enough support. But the baggage he carries is not small, he may be a big guy but dealing with it will be a solid chore. I would rather have him in office, (assuming he has a good liberty platform) than almost anyone that has ran in the past 30 years. (Save for RP of course if he (Ron) runs its all over for Jesse.)

Occam's Banana
09-14-2012, 07:54 AM
33 votes for Paul at the RNC.
That is not "in these regards."

Peace&Freedom
09-14-2012, 08:18 AM
Sorry but I do believe you would lose even worse with a conspiracy candidate like Ventura. If you think Ron Paul was marginalized by the media, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

I'll just reiterate: the CLAIM that we "would lose even worse with a conspiracy candidate" is a CLAIM, a theory that never gets tested for real. Repeating the claim over and over doesn't make it true, until we actually run some candidates on that basis and find out. The notion that we would WIN with a national candidate not raising relevant conspiracy issues HAS been tested, however, twice, and so far found wanting.

I often said before Paul's 2012 run, are the same people who demanded Paul distance himself from from 9/11 truth and other cover-ups, only to see him fail to win any primaries last time, going to insist doing it their way was still the only right path going forward? Now that they're 0-2, are they still going to maintain that attitude? Or can we at last let the opposite approach get its turn at bat?

Carlybee
09-14-2012, 08:24 AM
You can't look at Jesse and try to compare him to Repubs or Dems because he really is in a mold of his own.
I think his biggest roadblock would be things like telling Piers Morgan he's an athiest. That would be used against him..but could also work for him.

WilliamShrugged
09-14-2012, 08:33 AM
I will support the run but i just don't see him winning. He's lucky to win MN, NH, NV granted that Romney isn't the president because his mormon voters in NV will come out and NH has gone towards Romney quite often being that he has a place there and governed in Mass. If Ron's run was a purpose to educate, then Ventura's is meant to show how tired we are of the bs the system has shown. AND I ALL FOR IT!

donnay
09-14-2012, 08:58 AM
You can't look at Jesse and try to compare him to Repubs or Dems because he really is in a mold of his own.
I think his biggest roadblock would be things like telling Piers Morgan he's an athiest. That would be used against him..but could also work for him.

At least Jesse is upfront and honest about it. Not like the politicians in DC who claim to believe in God while their actions and deeds prove just the opposite. George W. Bush comes to mind; "God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq."

Carlybee
09-14-2012, 09:02 AM
I agree Donnay but I think it would really send the PTB after him. After all they need that perfect balance of moralizing and fearmongering to continue the campaign of building empire just like they did back during the Roman empire days.

Feeding the Abscess
09-14-2012, 09:05 AM
I couldn't get behind The Body in 2016. Believes in too much intervention economically.

I'd thoroughly enjoy his hammering of our foreign policy, though.

Liberty74
09-14-2012, 09:05 AM
I would be in 100%.

Who cares if the crazy media or other people go after Ventura because of his conspiracy show? Ventura will eat those people alive because he just won't sit there and take it like most politicians.

It's called fighting. He pulled it off in Minn after all the naysayers.

Ventura is a libertarian, would represent the people and be beholden to some stupid criminal party.

Go Indy! Amass the masses.

My first choice of course is Judge NAP.

donnay
09-14-2012, 09:08 AM
I will support the run but i just don't see him winning. He's lucky to win MN, NH, NV granted that Romney isn't the president because his mormon voters in NV will come out and NH has gone towards Romney quite often being that he has a place there and governed in Mass. If Ron's run was a purpose to educate, then Ventura's is meant to show how tired we are of the bs the system has shown. AND I ALL FOR IT!

How do you win in a corrupt system--you win the hearts and minds of the people. The people wake up, we round up the criminals and we take our country back! The last two elections Dr. Paul and the grassroots have done the reconnaissances. The people have the power--they always have. They just need someone to reassure them, until they truly understand it--Jesse is the man to do it, IMHO.

Badger Paul
09-14-2012, 09:22 AM
Hey, if you don't want to support Rand or Hilary Clinton - Jesse Ventura is your guy in 2016.

I like Jesse too, but he won't have a chance unless he starts taking himself seriously.

Still, it's a nice safety valve for those not wanting to get on the Rand train. Now you don't have to worry about Jesse Benton kicking you off.

Liberty74
09-14-2012, 09:24 AM
It might work. I could see the final results like this.
Clinton 48%
Bush 44%
Ventura 7%
Geenie 1%
LP 0.3%

or maybe

Clinton 48%
Christie 44%
Ventura 7%
Geenie 1%
LP 0.3%

or maybe

Clinton 47%
Rand Paul 43%
Ventura 10%
Geenie 2%
LP 0.3%

It's going to Romney as the Rep candidate because he will win this Nov. Polling companies already have in back in the lead over Obama. Latest 48 to 45. The anti-Obama vote is huge out there in which only 40% believe he should be re-elected.

Regardless, I can see an Indy winning in 2016. Levin has come out and said if Romney disappoints, there will be a third party. Then Ingraham along with Sarah Palin has come out in support of a new third party if Romney loses.

A third party is coming either way people. Embrace it. It can be ours if we get to work. Unless you want to take over a dying party called the GOP that no one wants to really be a part of.

donnay
09-14-2012, 09:30 AM
Hey, if you don't want to support Rand or Hilary Clinton - Jesse Ventura is your guy in 2016.

I like Jesse too, but he won't have a chance unless he starts taking himself seriously.

Still, it's a nice safety valve for those not wanting to get on the Rand train. Now you don't have to worry about Jesse Benton kicking you off.


The Rand Paul train hasn't even taken off. And you cannot be so sure that Jesse Benton will not be the conductor, if it ever comes to fruition.

donnay
09-15-2012, 08:53 AM
Jesse Ventura suggests US may be behind Middle East violence
Published: 12:48 AM 09/15/2012

By Jamie Weinstein (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/15/jesse-ventura-suggests-us-may-be-behind-middle-east-violence/)

NEW YORK — Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura, an avid and prolific conspiracist, says it’s possible the U.S. government is intentionally inflaming the current turmoil in the Middle East.

“Who knows what caused it? Let’s remember the CIA’s job is to go out and create wars,” Ventura told The Daily Caller during an extensive interview.

Pressed on whether he really believes the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency orchestrated the attacks on America’s embassies in the Middle East, Ventura said, “I have no idea, but I don’t trust my government if that’s what you’re asking me. They’ve lied to me too many times recently.”

Ventura, author most recently of “DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans: No More Gangs in Government,” listed a number of incidents in which he believes the government lied to the American people.

“How do I believe them when all that comes out of there are, lies, lies and more lies?” he asked. “Their credibility is zero with me now. I can’t tell you what caused this stuff. Who knows what underlying is going on?”

Ventura lamented what he sees as American meddling around the world.

“Well, I think us mingling in all these countries’ affairs — I mean, we have military bases in what, 160 countries throughout the world? That’s an empire,” he said.

Whatever the cause of the turmoil, Ventura argued that the U.S. should leave the Middle East entirely and end all foreign aid. When asked if he meant that we should leave all embassies around the world, he quickly responded, “yep,” although he later clarified that he thinks we should only abandon embassies in countries “where we’re not wanted.”

At no time did he offer any condemnation of the perpetrators of the attack or blame them for their savagery.

The Daily Caller will publish more of this extensive interview with Ventura next week.

__________________________________________________ _

Jesse is very observant and may be on to something. I just want to throw this tidbit out there...

Producer Of Anti-Islam Film Was Fed Snitch

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/nakoula-cooperation-756920

SEPTEMBER 14--In remarks stressing that the U.S. government had “absolutely nothing to do with” the anti-Islam film that has touched off violence in the Middle East, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton yesterday sought to quash Arab concerns that the “disgusting and reprehensible” movie was somehow produced or condoned by American officials.

However, Clinton’s attempt to distance the U.S. from “Innocence of Muslims”--and, by extension, its felonious producer--may be complicated by the revelation that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula became a government informant after his 2009 arrest for bank fraud, The Smoking Gun has learned.

Though many key documents from the U.S. District Court case remain sealed, a June 2010 sentencing transcript provides an account of Nakoula’s cooperation with federal investigators in Los Angeles (and how his prison sentence was reduced as a result).


READ MORE
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/nakoula-cooperation-756920
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/nakoula-transcript?page=0

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 09:49 AM
When Ventura was governor, he was better than average, but not in the league of what Rand Paul is doing in the Senate right now.

Matt Collins
09-15-2012, 10:07 AM
He supports socialized healthcare. No thanks.

misean
09-15-2012, 10:15 AM
A third party candidate may get even more traction next election especially if the world changes a lot for the worse. Its hard to imagine Jesse Ventura being that person though. He would get a fraction of Ron Paul voters, but he is certainly not a libertarian, so most of his support would have to come from somewhere else.

donnay
09-15-2012, 10:40 AM
He supports socialized healthcare. No thanks.


*SIGH*

Jesse isn't perfect. He has changed his mind on a lot of issues even after he was Governor. What I like about Jesse is he is open-minded enough to research things and make the changes in his stance. He used to believe Global Warming propaganda, he has changed his tune since researching and talking to experts.

Not to mention, he comes from a military family, his mother, father, brother were all veterans...veterans are on socialized healthcare. That is where I think he gets his thinking from.

Peace&Freedom
09-15-2012, 11:46 AM
One thing is almost certain. If Romney wins in 2012, Rand Paul can't run until 2020. That means Jesse Ventura and/or Ron Paul running on the LP line would be the only likely national liberty candidate options, if there is going to be any opposition to the GOP/Dem paradigm. I would be happy with either, or with a Paul/Ventura or Ventura/Paul 3rd party ticket.

donnay
09-15-2012, 11:49 AM
One thing is almost certain. If Romney wins in 2012, Rand Paul can't run until 2020. That means Jesse Ventura and/or Ron Paul running on the LP would be the only likely national liberty candidate options, if there is going to be any to the GOP/Dem paradigm. I would be happy with either, or with a Paul/Ventura or Ventura/Paul 3rd party ticket.


Absolutely! What better way to muck-up the waters, eh? Jesse putting the establishment in their place, and Dr. Paul waking people up with his message. That's a win/win!

Michael Landon
09-15-2012, 11:57 AM
He supports socialized healthcare. No thanks.

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he supports it in regards to the state level and not the federal level. Which, according to the U.S. Constitution, is where it should be.

- ML

Matt Collins
09-15-2012, 12:00 PM
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he supports it in regards to the state level and not the federal level. Which, according to the U.S. Constitution, is where it should be.So does Mitt Romney :(

donnay
09-15-2012, 12:13 PM
So does Mitt Romney :(

Who Rand endorsed. :(

Occam's Banana
09-15-2012, 12:15 PM
[Ventura] would get a fraction of Ron Paul voters, but he is certainly not a libertarian, so most of his support would have to come from somewhere else.

But exactly the same thing is true for any would-be libertarian candidate: most of his/her support would have to come from somewhere else.

misean
09-15-2012, 01:20 PM
But exactly the same thing is true for any would-be libertarian candidate: most of his/her support would have to come from somewhere else.

Most of GJs support is from libertarians and Ron Paul voters.

I just assumed everyone gets that Ventura won't win. The question is does he get less than 1% or does he get more? To me getting traction would be 5-10% of the vote nationally and its hard to see where that kind of support would come from. He might get a third of Ron Paul's supporters which would put him in the 2-3% range. If things get particularly terrible during the next 4 years maybe he gets 5% more of just really fed up people. I just don't see him being anymore than a niche candidate.

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Who Rand endorsed. :(

As in all endorsements, it never means you agree with everything they say or believe in. Rand does not support state run health care in Kentucky, nor at the federal level.

Also, generally speaking, endorsements by one member of a party to another member of the same party mean absolutely nothing [a rats a**] in general elections.

Matt Collins
09-15-2012, 01:35 PM
Who Rand endorsed. :(And that doesn't matter. Have you seen the list of some of the people that Ron has endorsed over the years? :rolleyes:

DavidK
09-15-2012, 01:39 PM
We all must get behind Ventura if he runs -- while I disagree with him on abortion, gay marriage, and healthcare, he's anti-war, anti-fed, pro-free markets, pro-gun and actually has the balls to call out the United Nations (or NWO, w/e you want to call it) for their crimes against humanity. While I do realize the establishment will eat him alive regarding his 9/11 stance (which I guarantee you Ron Paul agrees privately), he can still continue to push Ron Paul's fiscal conservative platform that brought us all together in the first place. Also, getting Dr. Ron Paul's endorsement must be made a HIGH priority. Without his followers, we stand no chance getting our liberty platform in the debates. On a final note, we MUST NOT allow social policy to divide us any longer. There is something much greater at stake right now, our economy, without an economy, we have no country, and without a country, we will be but another failed empire.

UpperDecker
09-15-2012, 02:16 PM
We all must get behind Ventura if he runs -- while I disagree with him on abortion, gay marriage, and healthcare, he's anti-war, anti-fed, pro-free markets, pro-gun and actually has the balls to call out the United Nations (or NWO, w/e you want to call it) for their crimes against humanity. While I do realize the establishment will eat him alive regarding his 9/11 stance (which I guarantee you Ron Paul agrees privately), he can still continue to push Ron Paul's fiscal conservative platform that brought us all together in the first place. Also, getting Dr. Ron Paul's endorsement must be made a HIGH priority. Without his followers, we stand no chance getting our liberty platform in the debates. On a final note, we MUST NOT allow social policy to divide us any longer. There is something much greater at stake right now, our economy, without an economy, we have no country, and without a country, we will be but another failed empire.

I agree with this, people are too often looking for perfection or the next Ron Paul. We need to face it, there will never be another Ron Paul and we will never all be in 100% agreement with those running for office. While Ventura is not perfect, there are many good things there that very few other politicians have. He is a man that works for our freedom and has a healthy distrust of our government. One thing he brings to the table is that he is a well known figure. You see the polls where 2/3 of the people don't even have a clue who any 3rd party candidate is, but with someone like Ventura he has much more name value.

Occam's Banana
09-15-2012, 02:34 PM
Most of GJs support is from libertarians and Ron Paul voters.

True. Which is why GJ will do very poorly in November: the great majority of his support comes from a very small minority of voters.

(This is not a disparagement of GJ in particular - it has always been true of any LP or third-party POTUS candidate, and will continue to be true for the foreseeable future.)

That was my previous point. In order to crack the less-than-one-percent "barrier," you've got to have the support of more than just libertarians & (hard core) Ron Paul voters.


I just assumed everyone gets that Ventura won't win. The question is does he get less than 1% or does he get more?

He'll lose, of course. But he could very well get significantly more than 1%. His positions seem to be a "grab-bag" of things, many of which appeal to - but are not limited to - libertarians.

It's that "but are not limited to" bit that will be the deciding factor in just how much support he ends up getting.

muzzled dogg
09-15-2012, 02:46 PM
focus on november 2012, then primary 2014, then november 2014, then worry about this

DavidK
09-15-2012, 03:04 PM
focus on november 2012, then primary 2014, then november 2014, then worry about this

What is there to focus on in 2012? We already know who's going to win. Obamney. And what's this November 2014?

muzzled dogg
09-15-2012, 03:09 PM
What is there to focus on in 2012? We already know who's going to win. Obamney. And what's this November 2014?

even if you don't live in new hampshire there must be some local candidates who i'm sure need your help



Results thread for Ron Paul supporting candidates & others in 9/11 NH Primary

Ron Paul endorsing incumbents running for reelection:
33 New Hampshire legislators endorsed Ron Paul. 26 of them ran for reelection. 24 of them made it through the New Hampshire Republican Primary. That is a 92% success rate for Ron Paul endorsing incumbent legislators, so far.

(won/lost, position, name, other information)
won Andy Sanborn (he was a state senator when he endorsed Ron Paul) 61%
won State Representative Anne Cartwright Uncontested
won State Representative Jenn Coffey Uncontested
won State Representative Tim Comerford Uncontested
won State Representative Guy Comtois 60%
won State Representative Phil Greazzo (candidate for senate) Uncontested
won State Representative J.R. Hoell Uncontested
won State Representative Paul Ingbretson Uncontested
won State Representative Laura Jones ?
won State Representative Robert Kingsbury 19% in a 5 way race, top 4 make it
won State Representative George Lambert Uncontested
won State Representative Fred Leonard Uncontested
lost State Representative Jonathan Maltz
lost State Representative Donna Mauro
won State Representative Paul Mirski Uncontested
won State Representative Keith Murphy 13%, 4th place in a 9 way race, top 6 make it
won State Representative Laurence Rappaport 43% in 3 way race, top 2 make it
won State Representative Kevin Reichard 8%, 6th place out of 11, top 10 make it
won State Representative Brian Seaworth Uncontested
won State Representative Lisa Scontsas Uncontested
won State Representative Tammy Simmons Uncontested
won State Representative Kathleen Souza Uncontested
won State Representative Kyle Tasker Uncontested
won State Representative Norman Tregenza ?
won State Representative Steve Vaillancourt 32% top 2 make it
won State Representative Mark Warden Uncontested

All pro-liberty candidates including incumbents that endorsed Ron Paul:
New Hampshire 2012 Pro-liberty NH Senate Candidates: listed by district
won Republican Phyllis Woods, Senate District 4 (Barrington, Dover, Rollinsford, Somersworth) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
may have lost Republican Cynthia Coolidge Howard, Senate District 5 (Canaan, Enfield, Hanover, Lebanon, Lyme, Charlestown, Claremont, Cornish, Plainfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (A Ron Paul supporter) still waiting for complete results
may have won Republican Joe Osgood, Senate District 5 (Canaan, Enfield, Hanover, Lebanon, Lyme, Charlestown, Claremont, Cornish, Plainfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) still waiting for complete results
won Republican Joshua F. Youssef, Senate District 7 (Belmont, Gilford, Laconia, Andover, Boscawen, Canterbury, Franklin, Northfield, Salisbury, Webster) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed by Sen. Jim Forsythe) 53%
won Republican Andy Sanborn, Senate District 9 (Cheshire County: Dublin, Fitzwilliam, Jaffrey, Richmond, Troy; Hillsborough County: Bedford, Greenfield, Hancock, Lyndeborough, Mont Vernon, New Boston, Peterborough, Sharon, Temple) (Endorsed by Ron Paul) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state senator) (Recommended by RLCNH) (Endorsed by Sen. Jim Forsythe) 61%
lost Republican Daniel Dwyer, Senate District 11 (Amherst, Merrimack, Milford, Wilton) (Endorsed by NHLA) 38%
no primary Libertarian Richard Kahn, Senate District 14 (Hudson, Auburn, Londonderry) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by LibertyCandidates.com)
won Republican Lydia Harman, Senate District 15 (Concord, Henniker, Hopkinton, Penacook and Warner) Uncontested
no primary Libertarian Rich Tomasso, Senate District 16 (Manchester Wards 1, 2 & 12, Bow, Dunbarton, Hooksett, Candia) (Endorsed by NHLA)
won Republican John Reagan, Senate District 17 (Merrimack County: Allenstown, Chichester, Epsom, Loudon, Pembroke, Pittsfield; Rockingham County: Deerfield, Northwood, Nottingham, Raymond; Strafford County: Strafford) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 51%
won Republican Phil Greazzo, Senate District 20 (Manchester Wards 3, 4, 10, 11 & Goffstown) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep)
lost Republican Dennis Acton, Senate District 23 (Brentwood, Chester, Danville, East Kingston, Epping, Exeter, Fremont, Kingston and Sandown) (Endorsed by NHLA) 23%

New Hampshire 2012 Pro-liberty NH House Candidates: listed numerically by county
won Republican Colette Worsman, Belknap 2 (Gilford, Meredith) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Robert Greemore, Belknap 2 (Gilford, Meredith) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Kevin Leandro, Belknap 2 (Gilford, Meredith) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Kenneth A. Deshaies, Belknap 3 (Laconia Wards 1-6) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Robert Kingsbury, Belknap 3 (Laconia Wards 1-6) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
WRITE-IN CANDIDATE Republican Michael Sylvia, Belknap 6 (Belmont) ?
won Republican Guy Comtois, Belknap 7 (Barnstead) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) 60%
won Republican Jane Cormier, Belknap 8 (Alton, Barnstead, Gilmanton) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 68%
won Republican Harry Accornero, Belknap 9 (Belmont, Laconia Wards 1-6) (Endorsed by NHLA) 54%

won Republican Maynard F. Thomson, Carroll 3 (Albany, Freedom, Madison, Tamworth) (Endorsed by NHLA) Uncontested
Republican Norman Tregenza, Carroll 7 (Albany, Bartlett, Chatham, Conway, Eaton, Freedom, Hale’s Location, Hart’s Location, Jackson, Madison, Tamworth) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep)

won Republican Anne Cartwright, Cheshire 2 (Alstead, Marlow, Surry) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican Keith Carlsen, Cheshire 6 (Keene Ward 3) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Charles Moore, Cheshire 9 (Dublin, Harrisville, Jaffrey, Roxbury) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
lost Republican Adam M. Hopkins, Cheshire 10 (Marlborough, Troy) (Endorsed by NHLA) 17%
won Republican Michael J. Walsh, Cheshire 10 (Marlborough, Troy) (Endorsed by NHLA) 45% in a 3 way race
lost Republican Eric Jackman, Cheshire 12 (Fitzwilliam, Rindge) 3rd place out of 4 candidates, top 2 win
no primary Libertarian Ian Freeman, Cheshire 16 (Keene Wards 1-5) (Endorsed by NHLA)

Republican Laurence Rappaport, Coos 1 (Atkinson, Gilmanton Academy Grant, Cambridge, Clarksville, Colebrook, Columbia, Dix’s Grant, Dixville, Errol, Erving’s Location, Millsfield, Odell, Pittsburg, Second College Gt., Stewartstown, Stratford, Wentworth’s Location) (Recommended by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep)
Republican Eric Catman, Coos 3 (Berlin) (Recommended by RLCNH) ?

won Republican Gregory Sorg, Grafton 3 (Bath, Benton, Easton, Landaff, Orford, Piermont, Warren) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Jeff Chamberlin, Grafton 7 (Campton) (Recommended by RLCNH) Uncontested
lost Republican Robert Hull, Grafton 9 (Alexandria, Ashland, Bridgewater, Bristol, Enfield, Grafton) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 19% in a 3 way, top 2 win
lost Democrat Jeremy J. Olson, Grafton 9 (Alexandria, Ashland, Bridgewater, Bristol, Grafton) (Endorsed by NHLA) 16% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Paul Mirski, Grafton 10 (Enfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican Joe Frazier, Grafton 11 (Canaan, Dorchester, Wentworth) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Paul Ingbretson, Grafton 15 (Bath, Benton, Easton, Haverhill, Landaff, Orford, Piermont, Warren) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican Charles Sova, Grafton 16 (Canaan, Dorchester, Ellsworth, Groton, Orange, Rumney, Thornton, Wentworth) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
lost Democrat Tom Ploszaj, Grafton 17 (Alexandria, Ashland, Bridgewater, Bristol, Enfield, Grafton) 26%

won Republican Holly Mecheski, Hillsborough 1 (Antrim, Hillsborough, Windsor) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 37% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
lost Republican Louis “Tony” Mayfield, Hillsborough 1 (Antrim, Hillsborough, Windsor) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 19% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican House Speaker William O’Brien, Hillsborough 5 (Mont Vernon, New Boston) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 47% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Bob Mead, Hillsborough 5 (Mont Vernon, New Boston) (Endorsed by NHLA) 32% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Calvin Pratt, Hillsborough 6 (Goffstown) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 13% in an 8 way race, top 5 win
won Republican John Burt, Hillsborough 6 (Goffstown) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 17% in an 8 way race, top 5 win
won Republican Richard Meaney, Hillsborough 6 (Goffstown) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 14% in an 8 way race, top 5 win
won Republican John Adam Hikel, Hillsborough 6 (Goffstown) (Endorsed by NHLA) 12% in an 8 way race, top 5 win
won Republican Ivan Beliveau, Hillsborough 6 (Goffstown)14% in an 8 way race, top 5 win
won Republican Keith Murphy, Hillsborough 7 (Bedford) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) 13% in a 9 way race, top 6 win
Republican Kelleigh Murphy, Hillsborough 7 (Bedford) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 9% in a 9 way race, top 6 win
lost Republican Christopher Richards, Hillsborough 7 (Bedford) (Endorsed by NHLA) 6% in a 9 way race, top 6 win
won Republican Moe Villeneuve, Hillsborough 7 (Endorsed by NHLA) (Bedford) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 17% in a 9 way race, top 6 win
lost Republican Elijah Haykinson, Hillsborough 7 (Bedford) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 7% in a 9 way race, top 6 win
won Republican Omer Beaudoin, Hillsborough 8 (Manchester Ward 1) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican J. Michael Ball, Hillsborough 9 (Manchester Ward 2) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 32% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
lost Republican Shuvom Ghose, Hillsborough 11 (Manchester Ward 4) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 25% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Dan Garthwaite, Hillsborough 12 (Manchester Ward 5) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Steve Vaillancourt, Hillsborough 15 (Manchester Ward 8) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) 32% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
no primary Libertarian Stephen Stefanik, Hillsborough 16 (Manchester Ward 9)
lost Republican Donald J. Frye, Hillsborough 16 (Manchester Ward 9) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 28% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Tammy Simmons, Hillsborough 17 (Manchester Ward 10) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Democrat Joel Winters, Hillsborough 18 (Manchester Ward 11) Uncontested
won Republican Emily Sandblade, Hillsborough 18 (Manchester Ward 11) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Joshua Holmes, Hillsborough 18 (Manchester Ward 11) (Endorsed by NHLA) Uncontested
lost Republican Carlo V. Feoli, Hillsborough 19 (Manchester Ward 12) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 21% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Jeanine Notter, Hillsborough 21 (Merrimack) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 11% in a 10 way race, top 8 win
won Republican Lenette Peterson, Hillsborough 21 (Merrimack) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 12% in a 10 way race, top 8 win
won Republican Phil Straight, Hillsborough 21 (Merrimack) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 10% in a 10 way race, top 8 win
won Republican Stephen Palmer, Hillsborough 23 (Milford) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 22% in a 5 way race, top 4 win
lost Republican Conrad Koch, Hillsborough 23 (Milford) 13% in a 5 way race, top 4 win Uncontested
won Bruce Marcus, Hillsborough 24 (Peterborough) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Carl Seidel, Hillsborough 28 (Nashua Ward 1) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 24% in a 5 way race, top 3 win
won Republican Kevin Avard, Hillsborough 28 (Nashua Ward 1) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 22% in a 5 way race, top 3 win
won Republican Doris Hohensee, Hillsborough 30 (Nashua Ward 3) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican David Schoneman, Hillsborough 30 (Nashua Ward 3) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Lisa Scontsas, Hillsborough 30 (Nashua Ward 3) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican James Summers, Hillsborough 32 (Nashua Ward 5) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 14% in a 5 way race, top 3 win
won Republican David Murotake, Hillsborough 32 (Nashua Ward 5) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 32% in a 5 way race, top 3 win
won Republican Greg Surbey, Hillsborough 33 (Nashua Ward 6) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
lost Republican Jacqueline Casey, Hillsborough 34 (Nashua Ward 7) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 19% in a 4 way race, top 3 win
Republican Eric Rolfs, Hillsborough 37 (Hudson, Pelham) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 6% in a 14 way race, top 11 win
lost Republican Jonathan Maltz, Hillsborough 37 (Hudson, Pelham) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) 5% in a 14 way race, top 11 win
won Republican Frank Edelblut, Hillsborough 38 (Antrim, Bennington, Francestown, Greenfield, Greenville, Hancock, Hillsborough, Lyndeborough, Wilton, Windsor) (Endorsed by NHLA) Uncontested
won Republican Mark Warden, Hillsborough 39 (Deering, Goffstown, Weare) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
no primary Libertarian Lisa Wilber, Hillsborough 39 (Deering, Goffstown, Weare)
won Republican Gary Daniels, Hillsborough 40 (Hollis, Milford, Mont Vernon, New Boston) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) ?
won Republican Laurie Sanborn, Hillsborough 41 (Amherst, Bedford) (Endorsed by NHLA) Uncontested
won Republican Kathleen Souza, Hillsborough 43 (Manchester Wards 4, 5, 6 & 7) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican George Lambert, Hillsborough 44 (Litchfield, Manchester Wards 8 & 9) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican Matthew Swank, Hillsborough 45 (Manchester Wards 10, 11 & 12) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 32% in a 3 way race, top 2 win

won Republican Jennifer Coffey, Merrimack 1 (Andover, Danbury, Salisbury) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) (Endorsed by LibertyCandidates.com) Uncontested
won Republican Gregory Hill, Merrimack 3 (Franklin Ward 3 & Northfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Susan Olsen, Merrimack 7 (Warner, Webster) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 53%
won Republican Kenneth Kreis, Merrimack 9 (Canterbury, Loudon) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 40% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Debra Johnson, Merrimack 10 (Concord Ward 5 & Hopkinton) Uncontested
won Republican Chris Wood, Merrimack 17 (Concord Ward 8) Uncontested
won Republican Brandon D. Ross, Merrimack 20 (Chichester, Pembroke) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican J. Brandon Giuda, Merrimack 20 (Chichester, Pembroke) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican G. Brian Seaworth, Merrimack 20 (Chichester, Pembroke) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed GJ while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican Dan McGuire, Merrimack 21 (Epsom, Pittsfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 41% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Gerard A. LeDuc, Merrimack 21 (Epsom, Pittsfield) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 35% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican J.R. Hoell, Merrimack 23 (Bow, Dunbarton) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep)
lost Republican Dick Marple, Merrimack 24 (Hooksett) (Endorsed by NHLA) 13% in a 6 way race, top 4 win
won Republican Ron Noyes, Merrimack 27 (Concord Wards 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Carol McGuire, Merrimack 29 (Allenstown, Epsom, Pittsfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested

won Republican Kyle Tasker, Rockingham 2 (Candia, Deerfield, Nottingham) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed GJ) Uncontested
lost Republican Kyle Scofield, Rockingham 3 (Raymond) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 13% in a 5 way race, top 3 win
won Republican Stella Tremblay, Rockingham 4 (Auburn, Chester, Sandown) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 15% in a 6 way race, top 5 win
won Republican Alfred Baldasaro, Rockingham 5 (Londonderry) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 15% in a 10 way race, top 7 win
won Republican Daniel Tamburello, Rockingham 5 (Londonderry) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 10% in a 10 way race, top 7 win
won Republican Kevin Reichard, Rockingham 6 (Derry) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Recommended by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) 8% in a 11 way race, top 10 win
lost Republican Donna Mauro, Rockingham 7 (Windham) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Recommended by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) 12% in a 6 way race, top 4 win
won Republican Walter Kolodziej, Rockingham 7 (Windham) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 16% in a 6 way race, top 4 win
lost Republican Mark Samsel, Rockingham 7 (Windham) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 15% in a 6 way race, top 4 win
won Republican Bianca Garcia, Rockingham 8 (Salem) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 9% in a 12 way race, top 9 win
lost Republican Michael Falagan, Rockingham 9 (Epping) (Endorsed by NHLA) 22% in a 4 way race, top 2 win
won Republican Daniel Itse, Rockingham 10 (Fremont) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
lost Republican Glenn Ritter, Rockingham 16 (East Kingston, Kensington, South Hampton) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 46%
won Republican Joshua Davenport, Rockingham 17 (Newfields, Newmarket) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Adam Schroadter, Rockingham 17 (Newfields, Newmarket) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Brian Griset, Rockingham 18 (Exeter) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Christopher Suprock, Rockingham 18 (Exeter) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Tracy Emerick, Rockingham 21 (Hampton) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Kevin J. Kervick, Rockingham 30 (Portsmouth Wards 1, 2, 4 & 5) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 55%
won Republican Robert Boyle, Rockingham 31 (Greenland, Newington, North Hampton, Portsmouth Ward 3) (Endorsed by the NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 56%
won Republican Donald Gorman, Rockingham 32 (Candia, Deerfield, Northwood, Nottingham) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) ?
won Republican Timothy Comerford, Rockingham 33 (Fremont, Brentwood, Danville) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep)
won Republican Robert D. Goodman, Rockingham 36 (Exeter, Newfields, Newmarket, Stratham) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested

won Republican Antonio Luciani, Strafford 2 (Farmington) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Joseph Pitre, Strafford 2 (Farmington) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Kurt Wuelper, Strafford 3 (New Durham, Strafford) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 35% in a 3 way race, top 2 win
won Republican William O’Connor, Strafford 4 (Barrington) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Devon Boyd, Strafford 4 (Barrington) Uncontested
no primary Libertarian Aidan Ankarberg, Strafford 7 (Rochester Ward 1) Might not actually be a candidate due to redistricting
Republican Bruce Cory, Strafford 7 (Rochester Ward 1) (Endorsed by NHLA)
won Republican Warren Groen, Strafford 10 (Rochester Ward 3) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Susan DeLemus, Strafford 11 (Rochester Ward 4) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
Republican David K. Martin, Strafford 16 (Dover Ward 4) (Endorsed by RLCNH) ?
Republican Kirsten Larsen Schultz, Strafford 21 (Dover Wards 5 & 6, Rollinsford, Somersworth Wards 1-5) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH)
won Republican Frederick Leonard, Strafford 22 (Rochester Wards 1 & 6) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) Uncontested
won Republican Clifford Newton, Strafford 23 (Rochester Wards 2 & 3) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) ?
won Republican Laura Jones, Strafford 24 (Rochester Wards 4 & 5) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) (Endorsed Ron Paul while serving as a state rep) ?
won Republican Len Turcotte, Strafford 25 (Barrington & Lee) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested

Republican Bill Walker, Sullivan 1 (Cornish, Grantham, Plainfield, Springfield) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH)
won Republican Spec Bowers, Sullivan 2 (Croydon, Sunapee) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Thomas Howard, Sullivan 9 (Cornish, Croydon, Grantham, Newport, Plainfield, Springfield, Sunapee, Unity) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested
won Republican Steven Smith, Sullivan 11 (Acworth, Charlestown, Goshen, Langdon, Lempster, Washington) (Endorsed by NHLA) (Endorsed by RLCNH) Uncontested

New Hampshire 2012 Pro-liberty NH Candidates for Executive Council:
no primary Libertarian Howard Wilson (District 2)
no primary Libertarian Michael Baldasarre (District 3)
no primary Libertarian Ken Blevens (District 4)
won Republican Robert Burns (District 4) (Endorsed by RLCNH) 34% in a 3 way race, expect a recount, it should be noted that the number two guy in the primary is currently the 4th most pro-liberty state senate in NH so even if we lose this one, it isn't a big loss

New Hampshire 2012 Pro-liberty NH Candidates for Other Offices.
President:
no primary Libertarian Gary Johnson

Governor:
no primary Libertarian John Babiarz

US Congress:
no primary Libertarian Brendan Kelly (District 1)
lost Republican Rick Parent (District 1)
lost Republican Dennis Lamare (District 2) (Endorsed by LibertyCandidates.com)
lost Republican Will Dean (District 2)
no primary Libertarian Hardy Macia (District 2)

High Sheriff:
lost Republican Bradley Jardis (Coos County)
lost Republican Frank W. Szabo (Hillsborough County) (Endorsed by LibertyCandidates.com) (Endorsed by Ron Paul's Freaking Giant)

County Attorney:
no primary Libertarian Albert "Max" Abramson (Rockingham County)

County Commissioner:
no primary Libertarian James Parker (Hillsborough 3)

Register of Deeds:
no primary Libertarian Darryl W. Perry (Cheshire County) (Endorsed by LibertyCandidates.com)

City Aldermen:
won Republican Emily Sandblade (Manchester Ward 11)

donnay
09-15-2012, 03:26 PM
As in all endorsements, it never means you agree with everything they say or believe in. Rand does not support state run health care in Kentucky, nor at the federal level.

Also, generally speaking, endorsements by one member of a party to another member of the same party mean absolutely nothing [a rats a**] in general elections.

Well if it means nothing why bother even doing it?

There were still Caucasus and Primaries going on, by making that announcement on none other than Sean Hannity (An enemy to Dr. Paul) was like a kick in the teeth to all the grassroots efforts.

BuddyRey
09-15-2012, 04:26 PM
I'd absolutely consider voting for him....unless Tom Woods finally decides to run; he'd get my vote for sure.

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 05:00 PM
Well if it means nothing why bother even doing it?



It benefits the person making the endorsement. That's why.

Occam's Banana
09-15-2012, 05:00 PM
[...] unless Tom Woods finally decides to run; he'd get my vote for sure.

Mine, too. Unfortunately, Tom says "too many negatives - not gonna happen!" (see 1:28:20 in the clip ... I haz teh sad :().

The whole Woods segment starts @ 1:23:35 (good stuff).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlaLybQZr-4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlaLybQZr-4

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 05:04 PM
I'd absolutely consider voting for him....unless Tom Woods finally decides to run; he'd get my vote for sure.

Woods would be a good third party candidate. He would be good for education, but not a real contender to win an election.

donnay
09-15-2012, 05:15 PM
It benefits the person making the endorsement. That's why.


That's right. It benefited Rand--it didn't benefit the cause of liberty. It did not benefit the people hanging out in the wind who still had primaries and caucuses coming up. Rand should have waited until all primaries and caucuses were finished and waited until after the convention--plain and simple.

donnay
09-15-2012, 05:16 PM
Woods would be a good third party candidate. He would be good for education, but not a real contender to win an election.

The cause of liberty is not a sporting event. You need to get out of the false left/right paradigm first before you can see that.

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 06:31 PM
That's right. It benefited Rand--it didn't benefit the cause of liberty. It did not benefit the people hanging out in the wind who still had primaries and caucuses coming up. Rand should have waited until all primaries and caucuses were finished and waited until after the convention--plain and simple.

Rand waited until Ron conceded the nomination to Romney.

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 06:32 PM
The cause of liberty is not a sporting event. You need to get out of the false left/right paradigm first before you can see that.

The cause of liberty requires reasonable strategy, you either fight from the inside or the outside.

donnay
09-15-2012, 06:51 PM
Rand waited until Ron conceded the nomination to Romney.


Yes, and I am sure Jesse Benton his campaign manager told him he ought to go ahead an concede. Wasn't it's Jesse's idea for the super secret delegate strategy--what happened to all that nonsense?

donnay
09-15-2012, 06:53 PM
The cause of liberty requires reasonable strategy, you either fight from the inside or the outside.

Yes the strategy was in Dr. Paul's message. Obviously many people didn't hear him quite well or frankly, just do not understand it. We have the Constitution on our side--they don't.

You don't join the mafia to try and make them go legit.

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 07:00 PM
Yes the strategy was in Dr. Paul's message. Obviously many people didn't hear him quite well or frankly, just do not understand it. We have the Constitution on our side--they don't.

You don't join the mafia to try and make them go legit.

Is this a crack at Ron Paul because he joined the Republican Party?

Galileo Galilei
09-15-2012, 07:01 PM
Yes, and I am sure Jesse Benton his campaign manager told him he ought to go ahead an concede. Wasn't it's Jesse's idea for the super secret delegate strategy--what happened to all that nonsense?

OK, so what's your point?

Wesley
09-15-2012, 08:52 PM
I would enthusiastically support a Jesse Ventura run for President.
I've read through most of the responses in this thread and I'm happy to see that most of them are positive.


Most of the negative opinions have been in the fact that Ventura is a "socialist".
Is that just because he is not so ideologically pure as Ron Paul who inevitably alienates a large part of the electorate?


I spend a lot of time talking to people who would be considered liberal, and well, Dr. Paul is a tough pill to swallow.
While they might agree with his foreign policy, (and even that they suspect is based strictly on economic reasoning) they certainly don't like the impression they get from his domestic policy.


See, my favorite thing about Ron Paul is when he gets fired up and tells it how it is. Unfortunately that occurs all too rarely.
Oftentimes he is too polite to interupt interviewers who are completely full of crap (and try to put words in his mouth confusing the viewer).

Democrats don't see Ron Paul as helping the average person because he is a Republican and wants to cut social programs.
While that isn't the whole story, it's what gets heard.


I absolutely agree with Jesse Ventura on getting rid of political parties, I read his latest book and would recommend it to anyone.

Don't get me wrong I love Ron Paul but we really want to stick with the GOP? Seriously?
I'm sick of all this partisan arguing. Most people here would agree Republicans are no better than Democrats.

If you want to make liberty work you need to appeal to all people not just one side of the political spectrum.

Personally I have no interest in Rand Paul, and will not support him. Similiar to Kurt Bills who also endorsed Romney.

I'm sick of comprise. The only reason I like Ron Paul is because he never did.

Thank God Ron Paul didn't endorse Romney too.

DavidK
09-17-2012, 06:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ventura2016?feature=mhee

^ My YouTube channel dedicated to a Jesse Ventura 2016 campaign. I am also the owner of VoteRonPaul12, which you can find that channel below:

http://www.youtube.com/user/voteronpaul12?feature=results_main

cindy25
09-17-2012, 07:40 AM
Jesse Ventura advocates slavery (conscription)

that's a non-starter for me

Carlybee
09-17-2012, 07:49 AM
Jesse Ventura advocates slavery (conscription)

that's a non-starter for me

If true, that would be a deal breaker for me too I'm afraid.

Keith and stuff
09-17-2012, 08:36 AM
focus on november 2012, then primary 2014, then november 2014, then worry about this

I agree with you. There will be many important elections in 2014.

There are plenty of elections in 2013 also :) Important elections happen every year. Pro-liberty candidates run for office every year. They need our help to win every year. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

mike6623
09-17-2012, 08:42 AM
He was just on Stern, he said he would ONLY run if enough people were in support, so that he could get on the ballot in all 50 states. He's not running.

donnay
09-17-2012, 08:53 AM
He was just on Stern, he said he would ONLY run if enough people were in support, so that he could get on the ballot in all 50 states. He's not running.


Here is what my original post says...



Jesse Ventura wants a grassroot effort to get him on the 2016 ballot. He will run for President as a complete independent!

He does not want to be in any party. He will run completely independent. He said we need to stop the two party dictatorship!!


He just announced it on Alex Jones show.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zwWR7-x36c

DavidK
09-17-2012, 11:14 AM
Jesse Ventura advocates slavery (conscription)

that's a non-starter for me

What the hell are you talking about -- he opposes the draft.

Philhelm
09-17-2012, 03:02 PM
You can have a dictatorship and have liberty. You can also have a democracy and have no liberty.

Brings a whole new meaning to "Live free or die!" I like it.

KingNothing
09-17-2012, 08:17 PM
Jesse Ventura advocates slavery (conscription)

that's a non-starter for me


I'm relatively certain this is not true.

Now, he's a self-important blowhard, he's a bully, and he's a purveyor of half-truths. I'd still give him my vote, but only because the current paradigm is pretty boring.

KingNothing
09-17-2012, 08:28 PM
If someone like Jim Norton can make him fly off the handle, how is he going to handle the professional news media??? He'd be so far out of his depth to run for President.


This is an awesome point, especially because Norton is an ardent Ron Paul supporter and the jist of that argument was Ventura going absolutely insane over conspiracy theories and freaking out over Norton condoning the attack in Afghanistan.

And, Ventura does say that we need to bring back the draft. Hmmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLcbhz-Njs


Here, he goes bananas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvKgj_EjUDw

DavidK
09-17-2012, 08:34 PM
This is an awesome point, especially because Norton is an ardent Ron Paul supporter and the jist of that argument was Ventura going absolutely insane over conspiracy theories and freaking out over Norton condoning the attack in Afghanistan.

And, Ventura does say that we need to bring back the draft. Hmmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLcbhz-Njs


Here, he goes bananas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvKgj_EjUDw

I stand corrected, thank you for that source. Still, I don't think under a Ventura administration a draft would ever be necessary since he is a harsh critic of the wars just as Dr. Paul is.

MRoCkEd
09-18-2012, 12:08 PM
He was on CNBC explaining why he supports government healthcare again the other day.

GeorgiaAvenger
09-18-2012, 12:10 PM
He was on CNBC explaining why he supports government healthcare again the other day.I'm concerned with his lack of a philosophical grounding.

I don't know if he is intelligent enough to be President. Many of these conspiracy theories he believes are absurd, though I enjoy watching his show.

LibertyEagle
09-18-2012, 12:11 PM
What was his record when he was Governor?

Carlybee
09-18-2012, 12:13 PM
I'm concerned with his lack of a philosophical grounding.

I don't know if he is intelligent enough to be President.


Yes because George W. "I am the decider" Bush was such a rocket scientist.

mike6623
09-18-2012, 12:16 PM
Here is what my original post says...
And? Your post says HE IS running, he is not. He was on Stern After this claiming that Howard would be his Veep...come on. He is not serious, and he continuously stated he would only run if he had enough support to gain ballot access in all 50 states. Says he wanted Howard as his veep so he wouldn't have to spend any money. It's a pipe dream, he knows he is not running.

GeorgiaAvenger
09-18-2012, 12:39 PM
Yes because George W. "I am the decider" Bush was such a rocket scientist.He was able to comprehend broad concepts very well, grammar aside. Not to mention graduating from Harvard and Yale, being an oil and baseball businessman, and governor of Texas before becoming President.

Ron Paul doesn't have all of those titles, but if you watch his in depth interviews and lectures he is very intelligent.

I just hear a bunch of anger filled, though mostly right rants from Ventura.

dannno
09-18-2012, 12:44 PM
I think he supports the draft because he wants people to stand up and oppose the wars. Not a position I'd take, but it is one of those things that could potentially have beneficial results, if it caused people to elect an actual anti-war candidate.

donnay
09-18-2012, 12:49 PM
And? Your post says HE IS running, he is not. He was on Stern After this claiming that Howard would be his Veep...come on. He is not serious, and he continuously stated he would only run if he had enough support to gain ballot access in all 50 states. Says he wanted Howard as his veep so he wouldn't have to spend any money. It's a pipe dream, he knows he is not running.

*SIGH* Some people here have an awful time with reading comprehension.

Carlybee
09-18-2012, 12:50 PM
He was able to comprehend broad concepts very well, grammar aside. Not to mention graduating from Harvard and Yale, being an oil and baseball businessman, and governor of Texas before becoming President.

Ron Paul doesn't have all of those titles, but if you watch his in depth interviews and lectures he is very intelligent.

I just hear a bunch of anger filled, though mostly right rants from Ventura.

He is articulate, knowledgeable, served as a mayor and a governer as well as being on a Navy tactical team. I disagree with your assessment.

KingNothing
09-18-2012, 01:22 PM
Yes because George W. "I am the decider" Bush was such a rocket scientist.


Well, that didn't exactly end well.

AuH20
09-18-2012, 02:06 PM
He was able to comprehend broad concepts very well, grammar aside. Not to mention graduating from Harvard and Yale, being an oil and baseball businessman, and governor of Texas before becoming President.

Ron Paul doesn't have all of those titles, but if you watch his in depth interviews and lectures he is very intelligent.

I just hear a bunch of anger filled, though mostly right rants from Ventura.

Correct. The whole "Bush was dumb" meme is partisan nonsense. Ron Paul isn't a great speaker, but is higly intelligent.