Way to go GOP. You picked a real winner this time. Romney = Democrats WRT guns

[Anti Federalist]

What in the world do GOP apologists say to this?


Democrat Party Platform 2012.


and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapons ban

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/120674.html



Mitt Romney, governor of Massachusetts.


Signed a permanent assault-weapons ban as governor of the Bay State. “Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said at the July 1, 2004, signing ceremony. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78767.html#ixzz26EUMWuUR

[phill4paul]

But, but, we gotta beat Obummer. WTF is wrong with you? Are you one of those commie/pinko/socialists bastards. Fuck. Why are you even posting on RPF if you hate the GOP so much? Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN! Troll. Reported.

[AGRP]

Obama is so bad though. We cant let him win. This is why voting for the lesser of two evils works. If a modern day Stalin is elected by the democrats then people will consider voting for Hitler because he's not as bad. Dummy.

[LibertyEagle]

What in the world do GOP apologists say to this?

Who the hell here agrees with the the GOP establishment, AF? And I don't see anyone here who likes Romney, either.

Stop this divisive crap.

[phill4paul]

Who the hell here agrees with the damn GOP, AF?

Stop this divisive crap.

If you are a registered Republican you give their party credence. It tells them that all is good and you will vote their way. It's not about how you vote. It is how you are registered. What do your papers say? Purebred or mutt?

[LibertyEagle]

If you are a registered Republican you give their party credence. It tells them that all is good and you will vote their way.
Bullshit, no it doesn't.


It's not about how you vote. It is how you are registered. What do your papers say? Purebred or mutt?

Sorry Phill, I don't agree with your assessment.

You seem to want to pat yourself on the back for bailing. Well, that is exactly what they wanted you to do. They know you won't be causing them any trouble now. The ones who stayed? Now, those are the people they are worried about.

[Anti Federalist]

Who the hell here agrees with the the GOP establishment, AF? And I don't see anyone here who likes Romney, either.

Stop this divisive crap.

What "divisive crap"???

FFS calm down, this was a copy and paste sent in an email to a "neo con" buddy of mine.

It wasn't directed at anyone here, in particular.

Sheesh...are you trying to tell me that there isn't a GOP apologist crowd out there, trying to explain away his creation of ObamaCare or his stance on guns, just for example?

[FrankRep]

If you are a registered Republican you give their party credence. It tells them that all is good and you will vote their way.
Ron Paul is a registered Republican.

[phill4paul]

Bullshit, no it doesn't.

Yes it does. Plain and simple, if you are on their rolls you give their party power. They don't care what YOU believe. They just like puffing out their chest and saying they have got power because you are one amongst millions that give them credence. A number that is rapidly shortening. If you are a card carrier then you give them power through the illusion of numbers. I'm sorry to break it to you. It is fact. Whether you disagree with them or not. So stuff your 'Bullshit", You've been using that phrase a bit much lately. ;)




Sorry Phill, I don't agree with your assessment.

You seem to want to pat yourself on the back for bailing. Well, that is exactly what they wanted you to do. They know you won't be causing them any trouble now. The ones who stayed? Now, those are the people they are worried about.

Bailing? WTF? I, as in me, myself, wasn't a part of them until RP. Truly a part. An active integral part. I've learned enough to know that Iwon't lend them credence. You seem to want to disparage me for my choice. That's fine. This is your bow shot. Don't push it.

[phill4paul]

Ron Paul is a registered Republican.

And that means what? I'm not in this for the cult of Paul. If you are then doom on you. He is outta the running.

ETA: I do not see anywhere in this sites mission statement that requires me to be a member of the GOP. Or condemns me for condemning them like Ron Paul does.

Mission Statement: Inspired by US Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, this site is dedicated to facilitating grassroots initiatives that aim to restore a sovereign limited constitutional Republic based on the rule of law, states' rights and individual rights. We seek to enshrine the original intent of our Founders to foster respect for private property, seek justice, provide opportunity, and to secure individual liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

[fr33]

You know how many neocons I always hear from about how Obama's going to take our guns? I always tell them well Romney already took Massachusetts' guns. Even Obama hasn't enacted gun control like Romney.

[phill4paul]

You know how many neocons I always hear from about how Obama's going to take our guns? I always tell them well Romney already took Massachusetts' guns. Even Obama hasn't enacted gun control like Romney.

Well if we are talking about what Ron Paul espouses then Obama is closer to Paul in this instance....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d960d376-fc28-11e1-aef9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26EiAiSLK


The increasingly open spat between the governments comes amid some indications that Mr Netanyahu is isolated at home on the issue of an Iran military strike, but with the Obama re-election campaign scrambling to fend off a strong Republican appeal this year to Jewish voters.

So on this ONE issue perhaps I should register Democrat. The Obama administration seems much more in alignment with the Ron Paul philosophy on this.

[Tinnuhana]

I'm currently registered republican so I can vote for liberty candidates in NH (Yea! Dr. Dave Murotake won!). In that way, the GOP understands how many of the registered are voting for RP-type candidates. In between elections, I'll swing back to independent. Also, as a registered republican, you get to answer all the phone polls in ways that disappoint the callers. Like all the people in Iowa either writing in Ron or voting for Gary. What's the problem with bouncing a little discouragement back the GOP's way?

[QuickZ06]

What in the world do GOP apologists say to this?


Democrat Party Platform 2012.



http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/120674.html



Mitt Romney, governor of Massachusetts.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78767.html#ixzz26EUMWuUR

I'll tell you what they say....ROMNEY still, like a bunch of F sticks.

[LibertyEagle]

Yes it does. Plain and simple, if you are on their rolls you give their party power. They don't care what YOU believe. They just like puffing out their chest and saying they have got power because you are one amongst millions that give them credence. A number that is rapidly shortening. If you are a card carrier then you give them power through the illusion of numbers. I'm sorry to break it to you. It is fact. Whether you disagree with them or not.
We will have to agree to disagree.


So stuff your 'Bullshit", You've been using that phrase a bit much lately. ;)
Possibly because there has been a bunch of it posted, lately.


Bailing? WTF? I, as in me, myself, wasn't a part of them until RP. Truly a part. An active integral part. I've learned enough to know that Iwon't lend them credence. You seem to want to disparage me for my choice. That's fine. This is your bow shot. Don't push it.
No, Phil, I don't disparage you for doing what you deem best and I'd thank you for not doing the same to me.

[LibertyEagle]

What "divisive crap"???

FFS calm down, this was a copy and paste sent in an email to a "neo con" buddy of mine.
And we would know that.... HOW?


It wasn't directed at anyone here, in particular.

Sheesh...are you trying to tell me that there isn't a GOP apologist crowd out there, trying to explain away his creation of ObamaCare or his stance on guns, just for example?

All I know is that this is the same language you have used when you have posted about an especially horrendous thing that a policeman has done; referring to anyone as apologists who still believe that not every single policeman is as corrupt as those you post about.

[idiom]

We need a Gop plank that states Citizens have a right to be at least as heavily armed as the police.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Who the hell here agrees with the the GOP establishment, AF? And I don't see anyone here who likes Romney, either.

Stop this divisive crap.

I think what he is pointing out is important. Many Romney voters are conveniently ignoring this issue, and it will only be helpful if people point to such language as the reason p0eople did not support Romney. The GOP needs to at least throw people a few bones. There's just nearly nothing Romney and Obama disagree on.

[Aratus]

yes... multiple~choise~mitt was not upset over our strict gun control laws at the state level!!!
yes... in his younger days he was only three degrees to the right of teddy kennedy in his prime.
yes... i am a baystater an' i can remember his governorship as i sometimes talk up gary johnson.
yes... if i start to freak as november looms and maybe BHO is a ahead, dopeslap me if i ignor AJ.
yes... jill stein will be on the ballot too, and mitt is now seven degrees to the right of ms. stein!
yes... people here were upset with poor rand paul when he did mitch mcconnell a favor recently.
yes... mitt romney has a 50/50 chance of winning this election and its going to be a tight one!!!
yes... there is a limit to any lipservice to archane 1800s rituals political an' poor rand is poor rand.
yes... mitt is worried about AJ making a few key inroads to his red state map & has slung into him.
yes... we are now without a firm rEVOLUTIOn direction as we await further word from dr. ron paul!

[Tinnuhana]

No, NH will not be a great place to summer or winter if Romney wins and vacations in Wolfeboro

[cjm]

Way to go GOP. You picked a real winner this time. Romney = Democrats WRT guns
What in the world do GOP apologists say to this?


The GOP is just an organization made up of individuals. If the GOP disappeared today, those same Republicans that nominated Romney would just join the Constitution Party or LP or some other party and continue to nominate similar candidates. We're still left with a country drifting (steaming?) towards collectivism. The appropriate response for liberty-minded individuals is to educate their neighbors and get involved with the electoral process at whatever levels they feel comfortable to spread the message of liberty. For some this means joining or remaining in the GOP, for others this means avoiding or leaving the GOP.

As bad as things are in 2012, they won't get any better until all liberty activists get off the bench and start playing. Choose your own vehicle (GOP, LP, CP, non-partisan, Dem?), and please don't judge the choices that other liberty activists make with their efforts. Sometimes we need to learn things for ourselves the hard way. Party membership doesn't matter, action does. There just aren't enough of us to sit and watch.

[FindLiberty]

Release the Kraken upon this thread...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lN2auTVavw&feature=related

and then, again at the debates...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tP2J0TjtRM&feature=related

[Aratus]

yes... multiple~choise~mitt was not upset over our strict gun control laws at the state level!!!
yes... in his younger days he was only three degrees to the right of teddy kennedy in his prime.
yes... i am a baystater an' i can remember his governorship as i sometimes talk up gary johnson.
yes... if i start to freak as november looms and maybe BHO is a ahead, dopeslap me if i ignor AJ.
yes... jill stein will be on the ballot too, and mitt is now seven degrees to the right of ms. stein!
yes... people here were upset with poor rand paul when he did mitch mcconnell a favor recently.
yes... mitt romney has a 50/50 chance of winning this election and its going to be a tight one!!!
yes... there is a limit to any lipservice to archane 1800s rituals political an' poor rand is poor rand.
yes... mitt is worried about AJ making a few key inroads to his red state map & has slung into him.
yes... we are now without a firm rEVOLUTIOn direction as we await further word from dr. ron paul!


No, NH will not be a great place to summer or winter if Romney wins and vacations in Wolfeboro


i just heard a request for the release of a kraken. soon someone will counter with bunchies out of boredom.

[pcosmar]

Who the hell here agrees with the the GOP establishment, AF? And I don't see anyone here who likes Romney, either.

Stop this divisive crap.

It is not "divisive" Crap. It is reality Crap.

It is actually Unifying Crap, once everyone (or enough) realize that we have the same enemies.
And the illusion of choice is just that,, An Illusion.

[angelatc]

If you are a registered Republican you give their party credence. It tells them that all is good and you will vote their way. It's not about how you vote. It is how you are registered. What do your papers say? Purebred or mutt?

And here I thought we were going to respect each other's choices. ( Like it or not, purebreds are much more valuable. )

[angelatc]

It is not "divisive" Crap. It is reality Crap.

It is actually Unifying Crap, once everyone (or enough) realize that we have the same enemies.
And the illusion of choice is just that,, An Illusion.

I think we all know that the RNC isn't our friend. But there's a lot of wisdom in the mantra about keeping your enemies close. There are a lot of battles to be fought, a lot of them local, and a lot of them that I agree with the GOP on. (Turning all the home health care providers into union members, for example.)

So I'm not leaving the GOP, because they've got a lot of their projects that I can indeed work on. And I really think the tide is just beginning to turn. I think the gains that the fiscal conservatives made in the past few years are amazing, and I think that after Mitt loses, we'll gain even more.

If you don't want to engage in electoral politics, then don't. But stop berating those of us that are actually following Ron Paul's directions, especially when you don't even have an alternate plan.

[fisharmor]

Stop this divisive crap.

My word I wish you apologists would get a fucking clue.
Pointing out that Romney is a shitbag is not divisive.
But openly endorsing Romney - that's divisive.

You may not have made that bed but you sure as hell tucked in the corners while shaking your pom-poms.
Don't come here and pontificate to all of us about splitting things up after you've spent months cheerleading for a guy who openly and wholeheartedly supports the opposition.

[angelatc]

My word I wish you apologists would get a fucking clue.
Pointing out that Romney is a shitbag is not divisive.
But openly endorsing Romney - that's divisive.

You may not have made that bed but you sure as hell tucked in the corners while shaking your pom-poms.
Don't come here and pontificate to all of us about splitting things up after you've spent months cheerleading for a guy who openly and wholeheartedly supports the opposition.


What are you talking about? She's never been a Romney cheerleader.

[cjm]

My word I wish you apologists would get a fucking clue.
Pointing out that Romney is a shitbag is not divisive.
But openly endorsing Romney - that's divisive.

You may not have made that bed but you sure as hell tucked in the corners while shaking your pom-poms.
Don't come here and pontificate to all of us about splitting things up after you've spent months cheerleading for a guy who openly and wholeheartedly supports the opposition.

Not all GOP apologists are Romney apologists or cheerleaders. The OP was calling out GOP apologists.

[orenbus]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/158053_265966986806412_1779544987_n.jpg

[angelatc]

My word I wish you apologists would get a fucking clue.
Pointing out that Romney is a shitbag is not divisive.
But openly endorsing Romney - that's divisive.

You may not have made that bed but you sure as hell tucked in the corners while shaking your pom-poms.
Don't come here and pontificate to all of us about splitting things up after you've spent months cheerleading for a guy who openly and wholeheartedly supports the opposition.

It was divisive only because the ideological faction wears it like a badge of "We Wuz Right" honor. It wasn't really divisive at all for those of us that are a little more pragmatic about electoral politics, especially because we knew it was technically already over by that time.

[cajuncocoa]

I don't know why certain people are getting their panties in a bunch over the OP....if you're not a GOP apologist, it shouldn't offend you!

[Aratus]

AF has not been a fan of the GOP nor many of their recent escapades.
Rick Santorum had a depressing vitality and staying power but mitt's deep
pockets turned him into a threat in terms of 2016 insted of 2012. AF knows
this. AF also knows Newt and EGO wanted the job badly. i think AF was not in
favor of Newt going the distance. Liberty Eagle long ago said how corrupt
Rick Perry was, and i said that our Mitt was not as obviosly on the take.

[Aratus]

i do respect Liberty Eagle's opinion on things.
i talked about our BIG DIG and its payola to her.

[cjm]

I don't know why certain people are getting their panties in a bunch over the OP....if you're not a GOP apologist, it shouldn't offend you!

I don't consider myself a GOP apologist and I am not offended by the OP. I am, however, trying to point out that Romney and GOP are not the same thing. There are many in the GOP who believe that their work there will promote liberty in the long run. I support those people and their efforts as much as I support anyone who is promoting liberty through the LP or any other vehicle.

I can apply the OP sentiment to the general election by saying "Look who America elected to be President. What in the world to American apologists say now?" -- is this a call to leave the United States? That's great for those that have the means to do so. I personally don't, so I guess I need to work within the "American" political system and possibly one of its political subsystems, the political parties. Many in the same situation have chosen to work in the GOP and I think that's a good thing. This has no more to do with the 2012 nominee than it does the 2008 nominee. Working within a party is about the next nomination process, not the one that's already history.

[specsaregood]

And here I thought we were going to respect each other's choices. ( Like it or not, purebreds are much more valuable. )

Some are only pro-choice if it means you are picking their choices.

[Aratus]

we all can go to the polls and vote or we all can sit it out at home.:)
those of us here in battleground states are going to be media
blitzed worse than the rest of us. some of us will be driven sorta:cool:
half mad by the insipid ads and will do things as a reaction to
the same said ads. some of us will find ourselves voting 3rd party.:)

[cajuncocoa]

Some are only pro-choice if it means you are picking their choices.That has been true on both sides of this issue.

[specsaregood]

That has been true on both sides of this issue.

I got no argument there. We shouldn't be attacking each other for choosing the path we think is best.

[Origanalist]

Look what you went and started AF, troll!
:rolleyes::p

[Aratus]

mitt's flipflops over the past 25 to 30 years have placed him on BOTH sides
of that PARTICULAR issue and potus barack has been way more consistant

[opal]

If you are a registered Republican you give their party credence. It tells them that all is good and you will vote their way. It's not about how you vote. It is how you are registered. What do your papers say? Purebred or mutt?

*raises hand.. whoa Nellie.. if you are a registered republican, it can also mean that's the party it's most important to vote AGAINST establishment types in primaries

[pcosmar]

I watched this year. I tried very hard to "stay the course" but tried to remain positive.
And I watched,, observed. If there was anything close to a level playing field,, Things would be very different.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU6TdoL_iZU

[pcosmar]

It was divisive only because the ideological faction wears it like a badge of "We Wuz Right" honor.

That ain't me,
I was hoping on a long shot,, I was trying to stay as positive as I could in most posts.
I was thinking stuff, And thinking stuff wasn't right. Right up to the convention.
And I watched that.

:(

And by the way,
I really don't like being right most of the times that I am.

[cjm]

AF has not been a fan of the GOP nor many of their recent escapades.

I get that, but I'd like to remind everyone that "the" GOP is really several different groups (Virginia GOP, New Hampshire GOP, Nevada GOP, etc), and that the RNC is a separate entity. Each of those groups are made up of individuals who supported many different candidates throughout the primary season. Rick Perry supporters in the GOP didn't nominate Romney. Rick Santorum supporters in the GOP did not nominate Romney. Ron Paul supporters in the GOP certainly did not nominate Romney. Romney supporters nominated Romney. If there is a complaint to be lodged, it should be directed towards the individuals responsible and not an entire group.

[nobody's_hero]

I watched this year. I tried very hard to "stay the course" but tried to remain positive.
And I watched,, observed. If there was anything close to a level playing field,, Things would be very different.

Don't feel guilty. I was involved as a delegate in this process and after much reflection, my current strategy is to sit back and let 90% of the GOP voter base die of old age in the next few years (the GOP has practically no young people in its party, aside from a few token "college republican" groups that are struggling to maintain membership). I can't attend my GOP meetings here because they'll have expectations of me that I simply cannot honestly live up to. I will not campaign for Romney. I will not help mail his fundraising letters. I sure as hell won't vote for him. So I have to wait.

And wait I will. When, or *if*, the GOP realizes after Romney's defeat in November that they *must* change their ways, then I will join up. I've come to the conclusion that I cannot change their minds. I must wait for them to want to change their own.

[fisharmor]

It was divisive only because the ideological faction wears it like a badge of "We Wuz Right" honor. It wasn't really divisive at all for those of us that are a little more pragmatic about electoral politics, especially because we knew it was technically already over by that time.

Technical: existing by virtue of a strict application of the rules or a strict interpretation of the wording: a technical loophole in the law ; a technical victory

I think you meant "practically" instead of "technically", because "techincally" the convention hadn't happened.

But whatever. We've covered this ground already. We're well familiar with your arguments, and we don't see any indication that any of you have processed ours.
But I know AF to be a guy who has a grounded sense of what's right and wrong, and if I see anyone chucking shit at him for sharing that sense with others, I'm gonna speak up.

[Anti Federalist]

And we would know that.... HOW?

All I know is that this is the same language you have used when you have posted about an especially horrendous thing that a policeman has done; referring to anyone as apologists who still believe that not every single policeman is as corrupt as those you post about.

I'm calling attention to the horrendous voting record of Mitt Romney WRT guns.

I'm pointing out that there is no way that can be spun otherwise.

I'm calling attention to the horrendous action of some cops.

(I've stated over and over that it is not all, and that these actions are not likely. They are, however, becoming more frequent, and the chances of you, a loved one or pet being killed by a trigger happy cop for no good reason are increasing. I don't know what more you want me to do, other than shut up, and that ain't gonna happen.)

I'm pointing out there is no way that their actions can be spun otherwise.

[Anti Federalist]

No, NH will not be a great place to summer or winter if Romney wins and vacations in Wolfeboro

Got that right.

Ask people that live in Kennebunkport when the Bushes show up.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Thank you for another thought provoking, informative post, AntiFed.

[Anti Federalist]

I get that, but I'd like to remind everyone that "the" GOP is really several different groups (Virginia GOP, New Hampshire GOP, Nevada GOP, etc), and that the RNC is a separate entity. Each of those groups are made up of individuals who supported many different candidates throughout the primary season. Rick Perry supporters in the GOP didn't nominate Romney. Rick Santorum supporters in the GOP did not nominate Romney. Ron Paul supporters in the GOP certainly did not nominate Romney. Romney supporters nominated Romney. If there is a complaint to be lodged, it should be directed towards the individuals responsible and not an entire group.

Ummm, that was sort of the point.

Maybe I wasn't being clear.

It was directed at two sets of people:

1 - The ones who voted Romney as some bland, clean cut, white, alternative to Obama.

2 - The ones now, calling for GOP unity to "get rid of Obama", when what you are replacing him with is just as bad.

The friend that this was originally written up in an email for, falls into category two.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

...not too terribly difficult to understand

[ninepointfive]

I'm calling attention to the horrendous voting record of Mitt Romney WRT guns.

I'm pointing out that there is no way that can be spun otherwise.

I'm calling attention to the horrendous action of some cops.

(I've stated over and over that it is not all, and that these actions are not likely. They are, however, becoming more frequent, and the chances of you, a loved one or pet being killed by a trigger happy cop for no good reason are increasing. I don't know what more you want me to do, other than shut up, and that ain't gonna happen.)

I'm pointing out there is no way that their actions can be spun otherwise.

You're forgetting LE has authority 'round these here parts.

http://i.imgur.com/JYirb.png

[Aratus]

Don't feel guilty. I was involved as a delegate in this process and after much reflection, my current strategy is to sit back and let 90% of the GOP voter base die of old age in the next few years (the GOP has practically no young people in its party, aside from a few token "college republican" groups that are struggling to maintain membership). I can't attend my GOP meetings here because they'll have expectations of me that I simply cannot honestly live up to. I will not campaign for Romney. I will not help mail his fundraising letters. I sure as hell won't vote for him. So I have to wait.

And wait I will. When, or *if*, the GOP realizes after Romney's defeat in November that they *must* change their ways, then I will join up. I've come to the conclusion that I cannot change their minds. I must wait for them to want to change their own.

you are rotally correct about the habits and age group of the typical GOP party member.
doctor ron paul kept on saying that he was bringing idealistic young people into the GOP.

[Keith and stuff]

If you are a registered Republican you give their party credence. It tells them that all is good and you will vote their way. It's not about how you vote. It is how you are registered. What do your papers say? Purebred or mutt?

I couldn't be a state delegate if I wasn't a Republican. Should I step down from my post because I disagree with folks in Washington?

[bunklocoempire]

Snip

What in the world do GOP apologists say to this?




The GOP apologists voting for Romney would say one thing, and those bent on administering a hot soapy enema to the GOP and not supporting Romney would say another.

Is that naive of me? Can someone tell me what side I'm taking by stating that? lol ;)

Oh you kids and your animated contest of freedom! I love every last one of ya!

:D

RESIST!! and prepare! NOBP!!

[TheTexan]

I'm calling attention to the horrendous action of some cops.

I'd like to add that it's not just that some cops do horrendous things, many of those cops do horrendous things and are not held accountable.

The argument can be made that as long as there are cops there will always be a few bad ones... but that argument does not apply if the bad ones are not being held accountable

[Anti Federalist]

My pal replies:


I can only tell you what this GOP apologist would say and plead that it is representative of the whole. Assault gun bans are not a seminal issue in this campaign. The central issue is profligate spending by the dems. that is jeopardizing the nation and the worlds future in every way. That what is needed in the white house is a businessman with a proven track record to set the fiscal house in order and revive the economy such that all get to pursue happiness.

I personally disagree with an assault gun ban and you will note that despite your alarm at the bill signing, we are still very able to purchase assault guns in MA. I would submit to you that all weapons bans are not bad. If they were, one would be able to buy an RPG at the local gun store or, to take this thinking to a ridiculous extreme, perhaps a nuclear device. So you see, this minor issue is simply a matter of where you think the line should be drawn.

[Anti Federalist]

My response to him:



Spending under Obama is basically flat, and actually decreased in 2010.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

Compare that to the spending increases under Bush.

Look, you know I'm no cheerleader for Obama, what I'm trying to prove is that under either one, Obama or Romney, nothing of significance is going to change: judges, spending, taxes, foreign policy, rights and liberties.

This is a ticket that no good conservative like you could possibly be happy with supporting, so you shouldn't.

I know I'm not going to.

Until the GOP machine (who honestly doesn't care, at the highest levels it's all the same to them) realizes that they will never win nominating these "democrat lite" candidates, nothing will change.



Want to reign in out of control federal spending?

1 - Wind down the wars and withdraw the troops from some of the 160 odd nations that we in right now.

2 - Start dismantling the domestic police state apparatus.

3 - Restore sound money and banking to the government and Wall Street.




Neither candidate will do any of those three.

Jesus became violent at only one time in his life, when the banksters and hustlers of his day defiled the temple. He beat and whipped and ran them off.

Both of these current candidates are bought and paid for by the same moneyed Establishments, the banksters of our day.

Rather than vote for them and give them tacit approval of their shenanigans, we should, by God, rout them out.

[cjm]

Ummm, that was sort of the point.

Maybe I wasn't being clear.

It was directed at two sets of people:

1 - The ones who voted Romney as some bland, clean cut, white, alternative to Obama.

2 - The ones now, calling for GOP unity to "get rid of Obama", when what you are replacing him with is just as bad.

The friend that this was originally written up in an email for, falls into category two.

Thanks for clarifying. I misunderstood your post.

[donnay]

You're forgetting LE has authority 'round these here parts.

http://i.imgur.com/JYirb.png

ROFLMAO!!

I was thinking she is more like the forum Nanny.

http://www.manifestmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/nanny.jpg

[cjm]

Want to reign in out of control federal spending?

1 - Wind down the wars and withdraw the troops from some of the 160 odd nations that we in right now.

2 - Start dismantling the domestic police state apparatus.

3 - Restore sound money and banking to the government and Wall Street.


Do #3 and the other two will take care of themselves eventually. If there's any takeaway from the RP campaigns, it's that.

[Dr.3D]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/158053_265966986806412_1779544987_n.jpg
LOL
We need another picture of Obama in the same makeup. Then the question, "Which clown will we have in the White House this time around?"

[opal]

you mean like this?

http://i46.tinypic.com/30tm1wl.gif


I just couldn't resist

[ctiger2]

That's it. I'm voting for Obamney!

[jmdrake]

What in the world do GOP apologists say to this?


Democrat Party Platform 2012.



http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/120674.html



Mitt Romney, governor of Massachusetts.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78767.html#ixzz26EUMWuUR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNSUFOkjyX8

[Origanalist]

you mean like this?

http://i46.tinypic.com/30tm1wl.gif


I just couldn't resist

+1, had to add that one to my little collection. :D

[The Free Hornet]

Yes it does. Plain and simple, if you are on their rolls you give their party power. They don't care what YOU believe. They just like puffing out their chest and saying they have got power because you are one amongst millions that give them credence. A number that is rapidly shortening. If you are a card carrier then you give them power through the illusion of numbers.

Yeah, some people believed that Facebook had value because of these "numbers". They have lost about half their investment. Registration means one can influence the GOP candidate selection process in a primary or position of influence. It doesn't give them a single dollar (?) nor does it give them a single vote in November. If you have members and no votes, then nobody is going to care about the number of members you boast.

Power flows from many sources, but party registration?

If you are going to vote in November, you ought to have voted in the primary to ensure good choices are available.

[Anti Federalist]

That's it. I'm voting for Obamney!

Obamney!!

Obamney!!

Obamney!!

[fr33]

Obamney!!

Obamney!!

Obamney!!Give us Barabbas!

Give us Barabbas!

Give us Barabbas!

[jclay2]

Give us Barabbas!

Give us Barabbas!

Give us Barabbas!


Sad but true.

[cindy25]

Romney is not as bad as Obama but Obama won't have a rubber stamp congress

plus Romney wins he gets the 2016 nomination, not Rand

[Dr.3D]

Romney is not as bad as Obama but Obama won't have a rubber stamp congress

plus Romney wins he gets the 2016 nomination, not Rand
This is true.
We always need to make sure congress is on the other side of the isle from the executive branch, this would help keep government from expanding so fast.