American Killed in Libya protest over film

[aGameOfThrones]

CAIRO (AP) — Protesters angered over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad fired gunshots and burned down the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, killing one American diplomat, witnesses and the State Department said. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.

It was the first such assaults on U.S. diplomatic facilities in either country, at a time when both Libya and Egypt are struggling to overcome the turmoil following the ouster of their longtime leaders, Moammar Gadhafi and Hosni Mubarak in uprisings last year.

The protests in both countries were sparked by outrage over a film ridiculing Muhammad produced by an American in California and being promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the United States. Excerpts from the film dubbed into Arabic were posted on YouTube.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed that one State Department officer had been killed in the protest at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. She strongly condemned the attack and said she had called Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif "to coordinate additional support to protect Americans in Libya."

Clinton expressed concern that the protests might spread to other countries. She said the U.S. is working with "partner countries around the world to protect our personnel, our missions, and American citizens worldwide."
"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet," Clinton said in a statement released by the State Department. "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind. "

http://news.yahoo.com/american-killed-libya-protest-over-film-030047940.html

[libertyfan101]

Blowback. The anti-muslim film is just a ruse. No coincidence this happened on 9-11. Once again definitive proof of our flawed foreign policies. Setting the ground work for the next wars. The MIC needs a new pair of shoes.

[HOLLYWOOD]

CFR & Al CIAeda inciting and getting the clueless to murder. The great divide between christian and Muslims. Amazing how these entities can get ny group(s) to turn the crowds on one another... like a light switch.

Like LibertyFan stated... it's another propaganda data point to whine-up the OLE WAR MACHINE for another 10 years game-plan. Which reciproctes to terror-tyranny by STATE at home too.

[Brian4Liberty]

Time to drop bombs on Libya and change the regime! Oh yeah, never mind.

[devil21]

Are people really dumb enough to believe that all this was caused by an unsourced and unattributed Youtube video?

[UWDude]

America is again using al-CIAda. This time they are doing it to publicize a Christian video to inflame islamic/christian hatred.

[Working Poor]

Are people really dumb enough to believe that all this was caused by an unsourced and unattributed Youtube video?

Of course they are

[UWDude]

America is again using al-CIAda. This time they are doing it to publicize a Christian video to inflame islamic/christian hatred.

BTW, one of the images, you can see on the wall A-C-A-B
That means "all cops are bastards"

That also means, that once again, the media is telling us what the protests are about, even though, more than likely, a crowd of that size heard about protests at the embassy and showed up, for countless angers against the United States.

[Working Poor]

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[devil21]

America is again using al-CIAda. This time they are doing it to publicize a Christian video to inflame islamic/christian hatred.

BTW, one of the images, you can see on the wall A-C-A-B
That means "all cops are bastards"

That also means, that once again, the media is telling us what the protests are about, even though, more than likely, a crowd of that size heard about protests at the embassy and showed up, for countless angers against the United States.

A poster on the thread on this at ATS is claiming it was made by a group of Israelis at a cost of $5 million. Dunno the accuracy of that claim but there's some source links here.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread880712/pg2

[Demigod]

BOMB them

[jonhowe]

Uh, what film?

This, apparently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sQPRtS2h7k

[ghengis86]

A poster on the thread on this at ATS is claiming it was made by a group of Israelis at a cost of $5 million. Dunno the accuracy of that claim but there's some source links here.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread880712/pg2

A California man who self identifies as an Israeli Jew directed the film. I believe it was financed by a group of 100 or so Jewish people. Apparently he is 'in hising' and scared for his life.

Once again, American blood is spilled for a Zionist cause.

[nobody's_hero]

Romney's gonna beat his war drums all the way to his political defeat over this one.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13820723-romney-slams-obama-over-attacks-on-us-officials-in-libya-egypt?lite

They're looking for anything to politicize, at this point.

[ghengis86]

Time to drop bombs on Libya and change the regime! Oh yeah, never mind.

I'm pretty sure that is Romney's position. Which was also Obama's position. What's the difference again?

[RonRules]

Newt here keeps harping on the fact that Muslims don't have religious tolerance.

"We Had An Opportunity Yesterday To Teach The Muslim World About Freedom"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP3TMnTdw84

You won't hear him say anything about this California Israeli Zionist lacking religious tolerance!

Also "An Opportunity Yesterday To Teach The Muslim World" is pretty patronizing.

[RonRules]

The movie in question is very poorly produced, poorly acted and certainly in poor taste.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sQPRtS2h7k

It's an attempt at creating hate between the Coptic Christians and Muslims, presumably to get other Christians involved in more conflict with Muslims.


Also dune buggy tire tracks at 13:31! (The only funny part of the movie)

[RonRules]

The video will be removed today (according to the channel owner). Download it for posterity.

[cajuncocoa]

The movie in question is very poorly produced, poorly acted and certainly in poor taste.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sQPRtS2h7k

It's an attempt at creating hate between the Coptic Christians and Muslims, presumably to get other Christians involved in more conflict with Muslims.


Also dune buggy tire tracks at 13:31! (The only funny part of the movie)Well, that's almost 14 minutes of my life I would like to get back.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yeah, Qaddafi family were so horrible... how many Americans were killed in Libya before yesterday? Ambassador Stevens and 3 other Americans killed last night.

BINGO: "Obama and the US State Department have made announcements calling for MORE SECURITY worldwide."

Rmoney's Security Adviser team are just the regurgitated NEOCON ZIONUTS of W Bush's team... take a guess what's next if Willard wins NOV.

[liveandletlive]

RIP Ambassador Stevens and the other victims

these reactionary nuts like Pamela Gellar and others have really created us more enemies since 9/11. We need to stay the hell out of these Muslim countries and leave them the hell alone. Enough is enough.

[brandon]

Did they really kill these people over nothing more than a video? If this is true, then fuck those lunatics. But something tells me that the video is just the western media's scapegoat. Anyone know?

[Philhelm]

Did they really kill these people over nothing more than a video? If this is true, then fuck those lunatics. But something tells me that the video is just the western media's scapegoat. Anyone know?

I think the date of the attack is more relevant.

[Peter Dow]

BBC: US ambassador 'killed in Libya' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19570254)
The US ambassador to Libya has died after being attacked by militiamen storming the US consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, reports say.

I am shocked and horrified at this and my sincere condolences to our American friends and loved ones.

This incident confirms my concerns that diplomatic missions in "war-on-terror" countries are not being properly secured by being located in properly secured and defended military bases.

This reminds me of the storming of a UN base in Mazar-e-Sharif when 7 UN workers were killed in April 2011 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12944851). The guy responsible at the time for UN security - Gregory B. Starr, the United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Safety and Security, is an American who used to be employed as the person responsible for the security of US diplomatic bases.

I have further concerns that the US & NATO countries' military these days lack the military knowledge and competence even to able to secure our military bases. Bases can't be properly secured in or near an urban area. You need a security zone of cleared and controlled ground of at least 6 miles, but 10 miles is better, around a military base to keep enemy fire from rockets and mortars out of range.

If you don't control the ground around a base this happens - 3 were killed at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan yesterday.


Afghanistan Attacks: Insurgents Attack Bagram Air Base (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/afghanistan-attacks_n_1874017.html)

KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghan insurgents bombarded a U.S. base and destroyed a NATO helicopter, killing three Afghan intelligence employees, officials said Tuesday. There were also NATO personnel aboard and wounded, the coalition said without providing further details.

We've been at war in Afghanistan for nearly 11 years now and still the US and NATO military are operating out of insecure bases! Our supply routes in Afghanistan have never been secured and recently a decision by NATO-ISAF (commanded by a US general) was taken to close bases along the main highways in Afghanistan making the roads even more insecure.

The military and security leaders we are depending on to keep our personnel safe during this war on terror are incompetent and our diplomats would be well advised to have no faith in them. If I was a diplomat in a country with security problems I would quit and come home until we get proper military and security people in charge.

So there is a pattern here of incompetence at the very highest levels of leadership in the United States, NATO and the United Nations.

The people in charge are incompetent and this is very serious folks. We need urgent action to get competent people in post. We need a shake up at the highest levels of government on the military and security side especially. This can't be allowed to go on.

[TheGrinch]

Did they really kill these people over nothing more than a video? If this is true, then fuck those lunatics. But something tells me that the video is just the western media's scapegoat. Anyone know?
No, this going on as they're trying to set up their new government during what a Libyan reporter said was their liberty "revolution", and was done by a fringe element, rather than the majority who've been fighting for a new government.

We're all alike more than we think (with the Libyans, not the fringe who committed the violence)

[HOLLYWOOD]

Did anyone watch Hillary Clinton PR rebuttal to the attack in Bengazi?

110% pure Bullshit Propaganda

But she was stupid enough to revel classified info that Ambassador Stevens was covertly snuck into Bengazi on a cargo ship in the planned overthrowing of the Qaddafi family in March 2011.

[BlackTerrel]

A California man who self identifies as an Israeli Jew directed the film. I believe it was financed by a group of 100 or so Jewish people. Apparently he is 'in hising' and scared for his life.

Once again, American blood is spilled for a Zionist cause.


You won't hear him say anything about this California Israeli Zionist lacking religious tolerance!

Also "An Opportunity Yesterday To Teach The Muslim World" is pretty patronizing.

Of course the fault is with the guy who made the shitty movie and not the people who did the killing.

You are right RonRules the real issue is that "this California Israeli Zionist lacks religious tolerance".

This is Liberty Forest - a place where liberty reigns supreme and we cherish the first amendment - unless you are a Zionist and/or criticize Islam.

There are about 3,000 posts over at HuffingtonPost saying this Israeli Zionist and everyone involved with the movie should be charged with murder. Other posts are questioning why our government even allowed it to happen.

Just like South Park - only Mohammed has the power to not be made fun of.

[HOLLYWOOD]

This IS why it happen...BLOWBACK (WAITING FOR: former CIA chief Michael Scheuer interviews... but I think Fascist TV will black him out)

The very person who illegally entered Libya and directed the terrorists to overthrow the government in charge of Libya in March 2011... John Christopher Stevens the Invaders destroyed much of the country... my god, look! The death and carnage brought upon this nation, it doesn't take much to incite ANY crowd in ANY country. Now you know why DHS and every other police state apparatus is jumping on anyone domestically who may incite others.

and this that followed:


"Libya: One Year On," by T.J. Coles

It is utterly important that the details of the 2011 US/Israeli/NATO destruction and continuing occupation of this peaceful country be documented for the historical record. While many examples exist of the old adage, "The victor writes the history," the "victor" no longer has control of the press as it once did. While they can continue to write their revisionisms (deceptions), the alternative media now has truth-to-power in producing permanent records of what has really happened in the imperialist barbarism executed against sovereign nations like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
Humanity is indebted to T.J. Coles and other scholars for their pain-staking, exhaustive research and comprehensive coverage of these wars. The history being written today is not only in words but also in images. We include a few of them below and some are graphic. The war crimes of the US, Israel and NATO in Libya are staggering and thus far have been carried out with impunity. But if this weary old planet survives their economic and environmental crimes, history will judge them, their decision-makers and the corporate cabal that funds their wars ... and without mercy.


Oil Execs Reportedly Discussed Terrorist Fines With Qaddafi
]Thursday, March 24, 2011

In 2009, Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi reportedly called a meeting of executives from 15 foreign oil companies doing business in his country to force the companies to pay $1.5 billion in fines Libya was facing related to the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland and other terrorist acts. The news was originally reported by the New York Times, which cited industry executives, American officials and State Department documents. The Times report did not specifically mention any of the 15 companies that participated in the meeting with Qaddafi, but did say that while most of the companies scoffed at the proposition, several, including U.S.-based firms, appeared willing to go along with the plan.
BP (BP) (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=BP+Headlines), Europe's second-largest oil company, has been trying to boost its presence in Libya and last year, press reports noted the company had been tied to securing the release of one of the terrorists with ties to the Pan Am bombing in order to gain favor in Libya.
The Times articles lists a group of well-known American companies that have been trying to do business in Libya in recent years. Energy names found on the Times list include Halliburton (HAL) (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=HAL+Headlines), the world's second-largest oil services company, and ConocoPhillips (COP) (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=COP+Headlines) and Occidental Petroleum (OXY) (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=OXY+Headlines), the third- and fourth-largest U.S. oil companies, respectively.
Eni SpA (E) (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=E+Headlines), Italy's largest oil company and the Western oil major with the biggest Libyan footprint, was not mentioned in the Times piece. Libya, an OPEC member, is Africa's third-largest oil producer behind Angola and Nigeria and home to the continent's largest oil reserves. Total SA (TOT), Frances largest oil producer were very active in Libya.




- Les Blough, Editor






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NATO war planes attacking Libya in Spring, 2011









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A proud Nicolas Sarkozy ordered the French Air Force to lead the devastating aerial attack on Libya with Mirage jets from the Solenzara 126 Air Base on Corsica Island in the Mediterranean on March 24, 2011.









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One of the thousands of NATO air strikes beginning in March, 2011. By October they repeated this bombing of Libyan cities and towns 9,300 times.








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Tripole Street in Misrata before and after









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Martyr Square, Tripoli, before and after the bombing









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The city of Sirte, birthplace of Col. Qadaffi and the last stronghold of the Libyan Resistance was utterly destroyed by NATO bombing when thousands of people were killed, maimed and displaced.One of Libya's most modern towns, Sirte has been blasted to smithereens.








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By September, at least 13 mass graves had been found (http://portaltoafrica.com/news/africa/general/icrc-13-mass-graves-found-in-libya/) in Libya. ICRC spokesperson Steven Anderson said "more mass graves are being found every week". Unidentified bodies were exhumed for burial in unmarked graves. There were 12 different such sites in and around Tripoli according to the Geneva-based Red Cross.








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To no avail the women of Misrata demonstrated
in the streets against the NATO assault.

[aGameOfThrones]

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/uploads/2/women_of_misrata.jpg








To no avail the women of Misrata demonstrated
in the streets against the NATO assault.







Sorry lady, you gonna get freedom whether you like it or not!

[dbill27]

Where is the narrative coming from that this video had to do with the attack? Did any of the attackers mention this video?

[AuH20]

There is no reasoning with savages. Leave their countries. Leave their resources alone. Leave. This isn't a national security issue unless you have friends in high places who have an economic interest in these particular locales. :)

[jay_dub]

From CNN:

The consulate was one of several American diplomatic missions in the Middle East to face protests Tuesday after the release online of a film mocking Islam and depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammed as a child molester, womanizer and ruthless killer.

But a London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack.

The attack "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday.

It was "the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault," the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.

The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location, and the second directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said.

The think tank cited unnamed sources on the ground in Benghazi and abroad.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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[Updated at 12:11 p.m. ET] Tuesday's attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

The sources could not say whether the attackers instigated the protest or merely took advantage of it. The sources do not believe Ambassador Chris Stevens was specifically targeted.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/u-s-ambassador-to-libya-3-others-killed-in-rocket-attack-witness-says/?hpt=hp_t1

[HOLLYWOOD]

From CNN:

The consulate was one of several American diplomatic missions in the Middle East to face protests Tuesday after the release online of a film mocking Islam and depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammed as a child molester, womanizer and ruthless killer.

But a London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack.

The attack "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday.

It was "the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault," the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.

The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location, and the second directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said.

The think tank cited unnamed sources on the ground in Benghazi and abroad.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1Pentagon coverage about Defense Cuts... Didn't Bush ramp-up terrorism in the 2004 re-election campaign a couple months prior to the election? YES

More Political KABUKI Theater coming to your eyes and ears...


12 September 2012 - 18H48
Tunis police disperse protesters outside US embassy
http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/aef_ct_wire_image/images/afp/photo_1347468499760-1-0.jpg (http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/aef_ct_wire_image_lightbox/images/afp/photo_1347468499760-1-0.jpg?1347478356) Two vehicles drive past the United States embassy in Tunis in 2003. Police on Wednesday fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Salafist demonstrators outside the US embassy in Tunis gathered to condemn a film deemed offensive to Islam, an AFP photographer said.




AFP - Police on Wednesday fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Salafist demonstrators outside the US embassy in Tunis gathered to condemn a film deemed offensive to Islam, an AFP photographer said.

He said the intervention came as the demonstrators, estimated to number 300, started to try to break through the gates of the embassy compound after having demonstrated peacefully for several hours outside.

[jmdrake]

Time to drop bombs on Libya and change the regime! Oh yeah, never mind.

LOLz

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location, and the second directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said.

That part and more are now gone from the article if they were there on that linked page to start with. Did that come from someplace else? Or did they change the article to remove it?

[jmdrake]

Are people really dumb enough to believe that all this was caused by an unsourced and unattributed Youtube video?

Folks are dumb enough to vote for ObamaRomney so .... yeah.

[juleswin]

There is no reasoning with savages. Leave their countries. Leave their resources alone. Leave. This isn't a national security issue unless you have friends in high places who have an economic interest in these particular locales. :)

Reminds me of this song from Pocahontas


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0vJkw4sfP4

They probably saying to themselves why wont these savages leave us alone. They killed our women and children, bombed our hospitals and utilities and on top of that killed our leader and then left us with their blood sucking Jihadist mercenaries friends to rule them. See how that works? We are the true savages in this case and its high time the savages leave them alone

[HOLLYWOOD]

You all know the FISA Act(SPY ON ANYONE ANYTIME ACT without Warrants) is up for vote in the CONgress today... it's a vote to renew/reauthorization for another 5 years.

Damn the Timing... Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

PS: BTW, DHS has their bill submitted to the floor for vote today. It's called: Public Transit Security Bill to grant $$$ for states to fund/control all public transportation.

[jay_dub]

That part and more are now gone from the article if they were there on that linked page to start with. Did that come from someplace else? Or did they change the article to remove it?

What I posted was just a copy and paste from the pages linked. The links should have taken you right to it. If it's no longer there verbatim it must have been changed.

[mac_hine]

From October, 2011:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

From today:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_k8YZKuxek

This woman is a monster. Is it possible that she is more evil than Darth Cheney?

[mac_hine]

James Corbett (www.corbettreport.com) weighing in on RT:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_74PrICJris

[BlackTerrel]

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1225747/1/.html

Good to see people are taking action


WASHINGTON: The Coptic Christian church condemned the film that has triggered violent protests in Muslim countries on Wednesday, reflecting fears of a backlash after Copts were blamed for promoting the film.

The film enraged protesters in Cairo who stormed the embassy on Tuesday and was also linked to the later attack on the US consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi that left the ambassador and three other Americans dead.

An Arabic adapted version of the English-language film was reportedly promoted by a group of Coptic Christians in Egypt, where clips were shown on an Egyptian television station at the weekend, setting off protests.

The Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church met Wednesday and issued a statement condemning the film.

"Its release at this specific time is part of a malicious campaign targeting defamation of religions aiming to divide the people, most notably the Egyptian people," the statement said.

Egypt's Coptic Christians are a minority that complain of discrimination from Muslims and further isolation following the revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak as part of the Arab Spring.

And now that they are being linked to the film lampooning the Prophet Mohammed, fears of a backlash are growing among the Coptic community in Egypt.

[AGRP]

The movie in question is very poorly produced, poorly acted and certainly in poor taste.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sQPRtS2h7k

It's an attempt at creating hate between the Coptic Christians and Muslims, presumably to get other Christians involved in more conflict with Muslims.


Also dune buggy tire tracks at 13:31! (The only funny part of the movie)

A lot of the people share a common accent. The lady's accent at 10:24 is incredibly thick. It was probably produced in Israel.

Working version:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E55rwmKSyg&bpctr=1347511904

[Muwahid]

There is no reasoning with savages. Leave their countries. Leave their resources alone. Leave. This isn't a national security issue unless you have friends in high places who have an economic interest in these particular locales. :)

Savages? It's cowardly to call a besieged people savages for acting more times than not in self defense. The entire region suffered regime change at the hands of imperialists in the 1900s, and any attempt to reject the dictators was met with death and destruction.

The real savages are the ones dropping bombs indiscriminately from drones, and invade these countries, not to mention all the taxes everyone here pays which is used to manufacture more bombs and weapons. So try not to judge people.

[LibertyEagle]

Savages? It's cowardly to call a besieged people savages for acting more times than not in self defense. The entire region suffered regime change at the hands of imperialists in the 1900s, and any attempt to reject the dictators was met with death and destruction.

The real savages are the ones dropping bombs indiscriminately from drones, and invade these countries, not to mention all the taxes everyone here pays which is used to manufacture more bombs and weapons. So try not to judge people.

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

[Peter Dow]

I am shocked and horrified at this and my sincere condolences to our American friends and loved ones.

This incident confirms my concerns that diplomatic missions in "war-on-terror" countries are not being properly secured by being located in properly secured and defended military bases.

This reminds me of the storming of a UN base in Mazar-e-Sharif when 7 UN workers were killed in April 2011 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12944851). The guy responsible at the time for UN security - Gregory B. Starr, the United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Safety and Security, is an American who used to be employed as the person responsible for the security of US diplomatic bases.

I have further concerns that the US & NATO countries' military these days lack the military knowledge and competence even to able to secure our military bases. Bases can't be properly secured in or near an urban area. You need a security zone of cleared and controlled ground of at least 6 miles, but 10 miles is better, around a military base to keep enemy fire from rockets and mortars out of range.

If you don't control the ground around a base this happens - 3 were killed at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan yesterday.



We've been at war in Afghanistan for nearly 11 years now and still the US and NATO military are operating out of insecure bases! Our supply routes in Afghanistan have never been secured and recently a decision by NATO-ISAF (commanded by a US general) was taken to close bases along the main highways in Afghanistan making the roads even more insecure.

The military and security leaders we are depending on to keep our personnel safe during this war on terror are incompetent and our diplomats would be well advised to have no faith in them. If I was a diplomat in a country with security problems I would quit and come home until we get proper military and security people in charge.

So there is a pattern here of incompetence at the very highest levels of leadership in the United States, NATO and the United Nations.

The people in charge are incompetent and this is very serious folks. We need urgent action to get competent people in post. We need a shake up at the highest levels of government on the military and security side especially. This can't be allowed to go on.

Obama response inadequate

Obama has ordered "heightened security" and the story so far is that means 50 more marines are on the way to Libya. That's an inadequate response.

It's not enough to "order heightened security" if by that you mean ordering the same incompetent fools currently in charge of security to continue in post but to try to do a proper job this time despite still having no idea what to do.

The President should -

Sack and replace the Secretary of Defense (Panetta) with someone who will sack incompetent generals and appoint competent ones
Sack and replace the Secretary of State (Clinton) with someone who will sack incompetent security officials and appoint competent ones
Close all vulnerable diplomatic embassies and consulates in countries with a war-on-terror connection, with an armed jihadi terrorist groups threat
Establish new secure embassies and consulates within new or existing military bases
Site new military bases for the embassies / consulates in rural areas where the land for 6 to 10 miles around the embassy can be occupied and controlled
Site about 60 defensive machine-gun posts 1000 metre / 1000 yard intervals around a circumference at a radius of 6 miles from the base,
Surround the machine gun posts with barbed wire and vehicle barriers
Man the 60 machine guns, 3 men per gun, 24/7 with a force of about 540 marines per base,
Vastly increase the size of the Marine Security Guard from the small force now of about 1000 to the many thousands of marines it will take to secure all the new bases

Sorry "ordering heightened security" simply doesn't cut it.

See my topic here in Ron Paul Forums - How NATO-ISAF and the Afghans should defend our supply routes (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?256306-How-NATO-ISAF-and-the-Afghans-should-defend-our-supply-routes)

Check out my blog on AfPak military strategy and the war on terror (http://peterdow.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/afghanistan-pakistan-afpak-military-strategy-and-the-war-on-terror-15-2/)

[Peace Piper]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

And what do you call those who do this:

U.S. again bombs mourners
The Obama policy of attacking rescuers and grieving rituals continues this weekend in Pakistan

In February, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism documented that after the U.S. kills people with drones in Pakistan, it then targets for death those who show up at the scene to rescue the survivors and retrieve the bodies, as well as those who gather to mourn the dead at funerals: “the CIA’s drone campaign in Pakistan has killed dozens of civilians who had gone to help rescue victims or were attending funerals.” As The New York Times summarized those findings: “at least 50 civilians had been killed in follow-up strikes after they rushed to help those hit by a drone-fired missile” while “the bureau counted more than 20 other civilians killed in strikes on funerals.”
http://www.salon.com/2012/06/04/obama_again_bombs_mourners/

What are people that murder Women and Children usually called?

An alleged al-Qa’ida training camp at al-Ma’jalah, Abyan, was hit by a cruise missile on 17 December 2009. A Yemeni parliamentary inquiry found that 41 local residents, including 14 women and 21 children, and 14 alleged al-Qa’ida members were killed in the attack
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/wikileaks-cable-corroborates-evidence-us-airstrikes-yemen-2010-12-01

How about this:

McChrystal: We've Shot 'An Amazing Number' Of Innocent Afghans
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/154328/thumbs/r-MCCHRYSTAL-large570.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/mcchrystal-weve-shot-an-a_n_523749.html

More:

US cluster bombs 'killed 35 women and children'
Thirty five women and children were killed by an American cruise missile armed with cluster bombs which struck an alleged al-Qaeda training camp in Yemen, according to a study.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/yemen/7806882/US-cluster-bombs-killed-35-women-and-children.html

and this:

One week after a U.S. military airstrike killed a 16-year-old American citizen in Yemen, no one in the Obama administration, Pentagon or Congress has taken responsibility for his death, or even publicly acknowledged that it happened.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-airstrike-that-killed-american-teen-in-yemen-raises-legal-ethical-questions/2011/10/20/gIQAdvUY7L_story.html


Maybe the cause of this is "a stupid movie" as we've been told, or maybe that is another lie like Tillman, Jessica Lynch or hundreds of other cases of bald faced lies. Why would anyone believe anything "reported" by our military or the embedded presstitutes?

[JohnM]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

I would be very surprised if this turned out to be true.

Edit:

The attacks were billed as the spontaneous action of mobs of righteous Muslims offended by an obscure movie about Mohammed that virtually no one had heard of. This interpretation is absolute nonsense. These attacks have all the earmarks of prior coordination, with the film serving only as a cover story.

source: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamescorum/100180524/september-11-2012-another-disastrous-american-intelligence-failure/

[HOLLYWOOD]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.The movie is an excuse to incite... this is about what the US/UK/France did to Libya last year.

[ZenBowman]

A lot of the people share a common accent. The lady's accent at 10:24 is incredibly thick. It was probably produced in Israel.

Working version:

Wow, strong bias.

The evidence points to the opposite, it was made by a Coptic Christian - Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. They tried to blame Israelis, hence pitting one of their enemies against the other by conveniently scapegoating Jews.

http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2012/09/california_coptic_christian_co.html

The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he helped with logistics for the filming of "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.

[pcosmar]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

A movie both produced and promoted for exactly that purpose. To incite violence.
To insult and deliberately provoke.

Libya is a mess,, and that mess was created. The same damn thing is happening in Syria,,(and elsewhere)

[libertygrl]

What We Know About 'Sam Bacile,' The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie

Most Americans knew nothing about Innocence of Muslims. That's the film that has set the Muslim world on fire, causing protests in Egypt and Libya that led to the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens.

The bottom line is that we know very little about "Sam Bacile," the man who says he produced the film and says Sam Bacile is his name. The Wall Street Journal caught up with Bacile before he went into hiding. (Update at 3:34 p.m. ET. Some of the claims made in the Journal interview have come under question. We've updated this post below to reflect that.)

According to the Journal, Bacile raised "$5 million from 100 Jewish donors" and he produced the film using 60 actors and 45 crew members.

Bacile told the Journal that he made the film to expose "Islam as a hateful religion."

"Islam is a cancer," he told the paper. "The movie is a political movie. It's not a religious movie."

In another interview, Bacile told The Associated Press that he was a real estate developer and an Israeli Jew, but Israeli authorities told the wire service they have no records of him being a citizen.

NPR's library did not turn up any footprint for Bacile. It found no property, phone, licenses or court records. And Bacile had not made news until today.

Bacile repeated what he told the Journal to the AP.

"The U.S. lost a lot of money and a lot of people in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're fighting with ideas," he said. The AP story also points out that Bacile may have been warned this film would be controversial and perhaps even incite violence.

"You're going to be the next Theo van Gogh," Steve Klein, a consultant on the film, told the AP he told Bacile. Van Gogh, the AP explains, was the Dutch filmmaker who was killed after making a movie perceived as insulting to Islam.

Innocence of Muslims is a feature-length film. In early July, "Sam Bacile" posted a 14-minute trailer of the film on YouTube. (Be warned, many have found the video offensive.) The preview portrays Muhammad as an imbecile and as a false prophet.

For Muslims it's offensive to simply depict the prophet. To insult him is a whole other story.

Bacile told the AP that he was sorry for the death of Ambassador Stevens, but he blamed his death on the security system.

"I feel the security system [at the embassies] is no good," Bacile said. "America should do something to change it."

When clips of the film were shown on an Egyptian TV program, they were described as being the work of Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who has burned Qurans. Jones, The Wall Street Journal reports, was merely promoting the film, saying he would screen the trailer at his church on Sept. 11.

"The film is not intended to insult the Muslim community, but it is intended to reveal truths about Muhammad that are possibly not widely known," Jones said in a statement obtained by The Orlando Sentinel.

Update at 7:27 p.m. ET. Calif. Coptic Christian Confirms Role:

Using the cellphone number they talked to "Sam Bacile," The Associated Press tracked down a man named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, who lived at the address that aligned with cellphone records.

Nakoula denied that he directed the film but admitted that he was the manager for the production company. He also told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian.

The AP notes that Nakoula has a criminal record: He pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges and served 21 months in federal prison.

The AP adds:

"Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found the name 'Basseley' and other connections to the Bacile persona.

"The AP located Bacile after obtaining his cell phone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who had promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website. Egypt's Christian Coptic population has long decried what they describe as a history of discrimination and occasional violence from the country's Arab majority."

Update at 6:18 p.m. ET. Actress Says This Wasn't What She Signed Up For:

Gawker has an interview with Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., who appears in the film.

She said the film makes her "sick" because she was never told this was the movie she was making. In fact, the lines she delivered were dubbed over to insert the offensive and blasphemous lines.

Gawker reports:

"The script she was given was titled simply Desert Warriors.

" 'It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago,' Garcia said. 'It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything.'

"In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product. Muhammed wasn't even called Muhammed; he was "Master George," Garcia said. The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed."

This is in line with the analysis that On The Media presented earlier. It found the offensive speech in the 14-minute trailer was always dubbed over.

"I can't help but wonder if the actors involved in the project were told what kind of film they were making," OTM producer Sarah Abdurrahman writes.

Also, using the title Desert Warriors, we found a casting call for the film. "Sam Bassiel" is listed as the producer.

The film is described as a "historical Arabian desert adventure film."

Update at 5:19 p.m. ET. 'Bacile' Never Gave His Name:

Sarah Curran of member station WUSF spoke to Pastor Terry Jones in Gainesville, Fla., today.

Jones told her that Bacile, which he said is not his real name, contacted his church so it could screen the film.

Jones said he talked to Bacile today, but doesn't know anything about him.

"In our conversations," Jones said, "he has never given us his name."

On tonight's All Things Considered, NPR's Elizabeth Blair explains that the film received attention because Jones scheduled a screening of the trailer for Sept. 11.

That got picked up by Jones' friend, an Egyptian-born Christian activist in Washington, D.C., named Morris Sadek.

Dion Nissenbaum, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, told Elizabeth that Sadek promoted the event through his email list, which goes out to many Egyptian journalists.

Update at 2:17 p.m. ET. Bacile Not His Real Name?:

Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic writes that he just got off the phone with Steve Klein, whom the AP describes as an associate of Bacile.

Klein told Goldberg that Bacile is not a real name.

"I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no," Klein told Goldberg. "I can tell you this for sure, the state of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones [the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor] is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."

Klein, by the way, was profiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which describes him as an "extremist" who has led anti-Muslim protests.

"In 1977, he founded Courageous Christians United, which now conducts 'respectful confrontations' outside of abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques," the SPLC reports. "Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration."

So, we repeat again, with this story it's better to remain highly skeptical.

Update at 1:02 p.m. ET. That $5 Million Figure:

The Hollywood Reporter has some important context about that $5 million figure thrown out by Bacile:

"Though Bacile claims he spent $5 million on the movie — a figure that would put the film on par with the Toronto festival entrant Julianne Moore-starrer What Maisie Knew — the 13 minutes of footage available online look unprofessional. Furthermore, Bacile has virtually no footprint in the Hollywood community. The writer-director-producer has no agent listed on IMDBPro and no credits on any film or TV production."

What's safe to say now is that we should look at those claims with a great deal of skepticism.

h ttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/12/161003427/what-we-know-about-sam-bacile-the-man-behind-the-muhammad-movie

What to believe??? The guy has a criminal background and a few different aliases. All makes for a perfect set up man for hire. Still not sure who was behind this, but I have my suspicions that it's the usual suspects. :rolleyes:

[Peter Dow]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.
Some stupid movie that got outraged about on "NileSat" satellite TV to Egyptians, Libyans and others in that part of the world.

NileSat Know your enemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilesat)

http://nilesat.com.eg/Portals/0/Content_Images/NileSat-101.jpg

http://nilesat.com.eg/Portals/0/Content_Images/104.jpg

Without "some stupid movie" being outraged about on NileSat by jihadists deliberating trying to incite believers to attack Americans nobody would have noticed the YouTube clip.

It's not the first time that NileSat got our guys killed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxLSVF3T1nI

So the question is, who has allowed Egypt to get satellite broadcasting without being sure that the TV channels are responsible?

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Our own politicians thought that they could trust businessmen and the market to make profits by selling satellite TV broadcasting to whoever had the money.

So Ron Paul supporters, do you want to keep trusting the market, or do you want Americans to be safe abroad?

Your call. :cool:

[alucard13mmfmj]

5 million dollars to make that piece of crap movie?

[pcosmar]

So the question is, who has allowed Egypt to get satellite broadcasting without being sure that the TV channels are responsible?

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Our own politicians thought that they could trust businessmen and the market to make profits by selling satellite TV broadcasting to whoever had the money.

So Ron Paul supporters, do you want to keep trusting the market, or do you want Americans to be safe abroad?

Your call. :cool:

Who the fuck are you ?

http://scot.tk/scottishnationalstandardbearer_files/image004.jpg
(oh yeah,, that's right)
This is not some Nazi Fascist Authoritarian Forum.

You are obviously in the wrong place.

[Peter Dow]

This is not some Nazi Fascist Authoritarian Forum.
Glad to hear it. I'm a republican, hence the REPUBLICAN arm band.

http://scot.tk/wristprotectgloves2.jpg

I wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of the Queen's royalists. :cool:

[Peter Dow]

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Oh national broadcasting is still regulated by those "nasty authoritarians". :rolleyes:


The FCC - What We Do (http://www.fcc.gov/what-we-do)

The Federal Communications Commission regulates interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories. It was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and operates as an independent U.S. government agency overseen by Congress. The commission is committed to being a responsive, efficient and effective agency capable of facing the technological and economic opportunities of the new millennium. In its work, the agency seeks to capitalize on its competencies in:

Promoting competition, innovation, and investment in broadband services and facilities;
Supporting the nation’s economy by ensuring an appropriate competitive framework for the unfolding of the communications revolution;
Encouraging the highest and best use of spectrum domestically and internationally;
Revising media regulations so that new technologies flourish alongside diversity and localism;
Providing leadership in strengthening the defense of the nation’s communications infrastructure.


It's just that Western politicians decided to stop global regulation of satellite TV and leave it up to monarchs and dictators to broadcast "KILL THE INFIDELS" TV throughout North Africa and the Middle East from orbit.

You want that? It's your call.

[devil21]

Global regulation is a bad word around here.

[Peter Dow]

Global regulation is a bad word around here.
That's OK. I said it was your call. No global regulation it is. "KILL THE AMERICANS & INFIDELS" TV broadcasting now ...

[TheGrinch]

Check out my blog on AfPak military strategy and the war on terror (http://peterdow.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/afghanistan-pakistan-afpak-military-strategy-and-the-war-on-terror-15-2/)
Yeah, I think I'll pass on that, LOL.

[devil21]

That's OK. I said it was your call. No global regulation it is. "KILL THE AMERICANS & INFIDELS" TV broadcasting now ...

Not materially any different than the slop passed off as news on Fox News here in the US.

[juleswin]

Turns out that Stevens might have been sodomized before he was killed. Just like the rebels did to Gaddafi. There are websites showing his body dragged though the streets just before he was killed. I wonder if Hillary Clinton will be cheering this mob style lynching the way she was cheering the death of Gaddafi.

We came, we saw, he died - Mrs Clinton

[Barrex]

Trust me it is not about the movie... It is just last drop in humongous glass of vinegar. In BiH was (and pšrobably still is) the same. Drop by drop... Depleted uranium bombings,war profiteering,death everywhere, corruption everywhere and thousand things like that... Pressure kept growing and it was destined to blow up sooner or later.

[enjerth]

Just watched the only news I've seen about it.... apparently the director of the film puts 007 to shame? Am I understanding that right?

Then comes the directional blameshift.... it didn't really come from here, it came from a "double-agent" type of civilian who came out of that little group of christians in the middle of your angry countries. (sub-text: "burn them down instead"?)

Very fishy.

[Razmear]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/248486_498366866857482_1087979654_n.jpg
Farooq Khalid
2 hours ago

#US Ambassador to #Libya #Stevens looking at #Gaddafi|'s body with thumbs up, not realising he is staring at his not to distant fate. Eariee isn't it?

--
I'm sticking with the Blowback theory. The movie protest was just a smokescreen for the real mission.

[juleswin]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/248486_498366866857482_1087979654_n.jpg
Farooq Khalid
2 hours ago

#US Ambassador to #Libya #Stevens looking at #Gaddafi|'s body with thumbs up, not realising he is staring at his not to distant fate. Eariee isn't it?

--
I'm sticking with the Blowback theory. The movie protest was just a smokescreen for the real mission.

I hope the adrenaline and shock of the whole event numbed the pain from the torture he must have experienced before dying. I may not think much of one of the architects of the Libyan revolution but NOBODY deserves that kind of death.

[Peter Dow]

Some stupid movie that got outraged about on "NileSat" satellite TV to Egyptians, Libyans and others in that part of the world.

NileSat Know your enemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilesat)

http://nilesat.com.eg/Portals/0/Content_Images/NileSat-101.jpg

http://nilesat.com.eg/Portals/0/Content_Images/104.jpg

Without "some stupid movie" being outraged about on NileSat by jihadists deliberating trying to incite believers to attack Americans nobody would have noticed the YouTube clip.

It's not the first time that NileSat got our guys killed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxLSVF3T1nI

So the question is, who has allowed Egypt to get satellite broadcasting without being sure that the TV channels are responsible?

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Our own politicians thought that they could trust businessmen and the market to make profits by selling satellite TV broadcasting to whoever had the money.

So Ron Paul supporters, do you want to keep trusting the market, or do you want Americans to be safe abroad?

Your call. :cool:
It should be possible for the European companies who set up the NileSat satellites (there are about 4 satellites, 2 companies) to change the ground control station from which the NileSat satellites take their uplink TV signal feeds. Of course they will need pressure from the European governments before they will do that. So there is a diplomacy job for the US State Department to speak to European governments to get them to apply governing, legal, financial (and if all else fails military) pressure to require the satellite companies such as Astrium and Eutelsat to take control of those satellites out of the hands of the Egyptians and into maybe NATO hands.

So I would appoint a good US diplomat to take on that task to get Europe fighting terror instead of broadcasting it. However, if Europe fails to take action to confiscate control of the NileSat satellites then by all means the US President should hand the matter over to the US military Space Command to take those satellites out by all means necessary.

I have taken some time to draw up this map showing the main players in the NileSat terror broadcasting situation. I hope this explains what is going on.

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/9420/mapofusavsegypt860.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/7196/mapofusavsegypt1222.jpg

The map of Egypt's NileSat satellite TV terror TV - LARGE 1222 x 812 pixels (http://imageshack.us/a/img824/7196/mapofusavsegypt1222.jpg)

[UWDude]

...and into maybe NATO hands.

So I would appoint a good US diplomat to take on that task to get Europe fighting terror instead of broadcasting it. However, if Europe fails to take action to confiscate control of the NileSat satellites then by all means the US President should hand the matter over to the US military Space Command to take those satellites out by all means necessary.


LoL

What forums did you think you posted this on?
Republican Socialist?

dude... just.... whatever. Keep wasting your time.

[pcosmar]

LoL

What forums did you think you posted this on?
Republican Socialist?

dude... just.... whatever. Keep wasting your time.

Actually, he is a National Socialist.

And folks were worried about Stormfronters.

[libertyjam]

We came, we saw, he died - Mrs Clinton

Curiously those are the exact same words that she said after Vince Foster's death.**

**at least I imagine those a very likely similar to what she said once she was informed that the hit on Vince was successful

[tttar]

What makes people think Stevens was being dragged through the streets, instead of being discovered by supportive Libyans who came after the attack was over?

I saw video of him apparently being carried out of a building, and the pictures here don't necessarily show him being dragged. One man was trying to carry him, holding his cell phone in his mouth, and Stevens' head was raised, maybe indicating he was still conscious.

You can see soot around his mouth, which supports the idea that he later succumbed to smoke inhalation.

Where does the idea come from that he died when a mob attacked his escape vehicle?

Then take a look at picture #4 here:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The third picture here seems to be a closeup of one of the signs visible to the left - "Chris Stevens was a Friend To all Libyans."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ambassador-chris-stevens-breathing-libyans-found-american-consulate-rescue-article-1.1161454

Should we assume this was staged? People in Benghazi really wish NATO hadn't intervened when it did - or they really did suddenly get all whacked out over a video?

Things aren't always so black and white in this world. Just because something comes out of Hillary's mouth doesn't mean it's always a lie.