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BSU kid
09-10-2012, 04:06 PM
Where would you move if our country becomes as socialist as France or parts of S. America? This has been weighing heavily on my mind given the events in France and Mexico these past few months and the coming reelection of Obama.

phill4paul
09-10-2012, 04:14 PM
There is nowhere to run. It's a globalist NWO push to destroy the sovereignty of all governments.

ronpaulfollower999
09-10-2012, 04:16 PM
I think NZ is nice, but their politics are probably meh. Preferably, a private company colonized Mars (after terraforming) and I homestead an acre or two.

DamianTV
09-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Anywhere but America.

pcosmar
09-10-2012, 05:49 PM
There is no where to run.
Global is global.

Oh,, and the US has been Socialist for 100 years.

Seraphim
09-10-2012, 05:57 PM
This.

Stay in America/Canada/Australia.

Countries like these, despite their descent into Police States, are and will be the best options for the future.

Europe? CENTURIES old Oligarchs who have perfected Fascistic Socialism. Nay.

South America? Borderline fetish behavior with nationalizing everything, including labor. Nay.

Asia? Homogenous, "submit to the greater sum" collectivism. Nay.

Africa? LOL. Nay.

Middle East? If you like perpetual religious strife and car bombs where your children play, otherwise...NAY.

Russia? Sure, just stay away from Moscow (where all the money is). Nay.

Scandanavia? Actually...this is a potential yay. Melikes.

Don't give up your home. The globalist agenda is EVERYWHERE.

You can run, but you cannot hide.


There is no where to run.
Global is global.

Anti Federalist
09-10-2012, 05:58 PM
Switzerland.

Trouble is, they have not lost their minds, and you cannot just waltz in there and plop your ass down and stay.

But all things considered, it's like the FSP of Europe, and had I unlimited funds to do it, would go in second.

Second on the list, possibly some of the Scandinavian countries.

Yah, I know taxes and socialism, but we have that here already, at least they don't have the police state to go along with it.

ETA - That said, I'm in agreement with most of the others in this thread:

There is nowhere to run to, the globalist agenda is just that, global.

BSU kid
09-10-2012, 06:14 PM
Now that I have seen some responses, I personally would move to a rural parcel of land somewhere in the Mountain West. A place I can feel "less controlled" and more free, my personal feeling is the FSP is noble but they picked the wrong state. NH is already too populated and is Geographically small and close to Washington, they should have picked a state like Wyoming where an influx of 20k supporters of liberty would make a HUGE difference given how sparsely populated it is.

I also concur that the Global agenda has begun, intact thats all my professors talk about is "globalization" this and "global community" that. Sigh

rhelwig
09-10-2012, 06:26 PM
I left the U.S. in 2005 and moved to New Hampshire. I don't really consider it part of the U.S. anymore, and I don't bother much with things "federal" like taxes.

DamianTV
09-10-2012, 06:29 PM
Im thinking anywhere that the fighting is not going to end my life, and the US is ground zero for the coming devestation.

chudrockz
09-10-2012, 06:34 PM
For now, I would lean towards Canada. Remote Canada.

Carlybee
09-10-2012, 06:40 PM
Australia and NZ have pretty strict immigration laws. So does Canada for that matter. My husband is Canadian so that's possibly where I would go...if I had to and assuming it wasn't just as screwed. (It's expensive there too) Otherwise I'm a Texan and tend toward "let them pry my cold dead corpse off my native soil."

JK/SEA
09-10-2012, 06:41 PM
Kauai. I'd disappear into the mango trees....lol...no seriously. This place is unreal.....glad i have a friend who owns a condo at Poipu Palms.

Already making plans to go next year for a few weeks...hell, i may never return to Washington State.

muzzled dogg
09-10-2012, 06:54 PM
http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

JK/SEA
09-10-2012, 06:56 PM
http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

I noticed Hawaii is 47 for least free. Looks like they need me there to clean it up.

ronpaulnh2012
09-10-2012, 06:57 PM
New Hampshire. Moved here four years ago and liberty-wise, it's the real deal. The Free State Project is not only a fascinating concept for promoting liberty, it's seeing real life success. If you're considering a move, come visit. Most people who come visit New Hampshire decide to make the move.

bunklocoempire
09-10-2012, 07:18 PM
Kauai. I'd disappear into the mango trees....lol...no seriously. This place is unreal.....glad i have a friend who owns a condo at Poipu Palms.

Already making plans to go next year for a few weeks...hell, i may never return to Washington State.

Cool! Good for you! 23 years in the neighborhood and I've yet to get over there, my wife gets over there 3-4 times a year with work.

I've been trying to figure what might become of Hawaii over the years per the OP. I figure it would become more and more exclusive for the elites with an evergrowing 'lower class' to serve them and the military/bases to keep it all in check.

Sort of a heavily guarded resort destination for the very rich and powerful?

IMO, getting lost in plain site and living as free as you can is the name of the game no matter where you are.

We're exploring ways to do more of that ourselves out this way.:)

It's a fantasy of mine to have the island of Hawaii -the COUNTY of Hawaii break away from the Oahu-centric state and become it's own state -maybe even return to being it's own country. :D

The exodus from rest of the state to the B.I. would probably sink the island lol.

The characters out this way who are paying attention sure seem up for something like that. Ron Paul won Hawaii County.;)

Staying here on the Big Island. :)

BSU kid
09-10-2012, 07:39 PM
http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

Supposedly I live in the 3rd most free state, doesn't feel like it at all.

jclay2
09-10-2012, 07:40 PM
This.

Stay in America/Canada/Australia.

Countries like these, despite their descent into Police States, are and will be the best options for the future.

Europe? CENTURIES old Oligarchs who have perfected Fascistic Socialism. Nay.

South America? Borderline fetish behavior with nationalizing everything, including labor. Nay.

Asia? Homogenous, "submit to the greater sum" collectivism. Nay.

Africa? LOL. Nay.

Middle East? If you like perpetual religious strife and car bombs where your children play, otherwise...NAY.

Russia? Sure, just stay away from Moscow (where all the money is). Nay.

Scandanavia? Actually...this is a potential yay. Melikes.

Don't give up your home. The globalist agenda is EVERYWHERE.

You can run, but you cannot hide.

hahaha. that was such a perfect yet simple answer. + rep.


Oh btw, how does New Hampshire get such a positive rep from everyone when a majority vote for the likes of obama or romney.

Chester Copperpot
09-10-2012, 07:46 PM
NOwhere..

I lock the door so the NWO cant get out and then I fight the fight of a man who must win.

BamaAla
09-10-2012, 08:14 PM
I'll second AF. Switzerland or Sweden for me. Switzerland because it is relatively free; Sweden because I love the country, the weather, and those long Summer days.

TCE
09-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Supposedly I live in the 3rd most free state, doesn't feel like it at all.

Try living in Illinois, you will appreciate Indiana. There are essentially tiers of freedom and there is a bit of a drop between New Hampshire and every other state. As far as your earlier comment regarding New Hampshire, if you move to the northern part of the state, it is pretty open and more sparsely populated. The biggest city in northern New Hampshire is Concord at around 45,000 people, so it's not too big. There are plenty of small towns with far fewer people. It seems like you would want to avoid Manchester and Nashua, where there is much more Boston, MA influence considering how close they are. Manchester, though, for a "big" city, only has around 110,000 people.

Wyoming wasn't chosen for a couple of reasons. There was a research paper done back in 2003 when the voting was going on explaining why Wyoming wasn't the best choice but I'm having trouble finding it. Essentially, Wyoming began as less free and thus, would take a longer time to turn around. Even with 20,000 people, we would still only be 3.5% of the total population. More importantly, the vast majority of the jobs there are related to agriculture and their economy would have a hard time providing 20,000 new jobs to people whereas New Hampshire is much more diverse and people in technology can also thrive there.

pcosmar
09-10-2012, 08:22 PM
Michigan is ranked 27,, but that depends on where in the state.

The UP is far from the political power,, and largely ignored.. Not so bad here. (but worse than it was )

I hate the cold,, but came back here. It is a place I can survive. (I hope)

Get away from Cities where ever you are,, or have a place to get away to.

Keith and stuff
09-10-2012, 08:44 PM
Try living in Illinois, you will appreciate Indiana. There are essentially tiers of freedom and there is a bit of a drop between New Hampshire and every other state. As far as your earlier comment regarding New Hampshire, if you move to the northern part of the state, it is pretty open and more sparsely populated. The biggest city in northern New Hampshire is Concord at around 45,000 people, so it's not too big. There are plenty of small towns with far fewer people. It seems like you would want to avoid Manchester and Nashua, where there is much more Boston, MA influence considering how close they are. Manchester, though, for a "big" city, only has around 110,000 people.

Wyoming wasn't chosen for a couple of reasons. There was a research paper done back in 2003 when the voting was going on explaining why Wyoming wasn't the best choice but I'm having trouble finding it. Essentially, Wyoming began as less free and thus, would take a longer time to turn around. Even with 20,000 people, we would still only be 3.5% of the total population. More importantly, the vast majority of the jobs there are related to agriculture and their economy would have a hard time providing 20,000 new jobs to people whereas New Hampshire is much more diverse and people in technology can also thrive there.

Great post!

A few things, if I may :)

Concord is physically located in southern NH. Feel free to call it central NH if you want. It isn't in northern NH. There is only 1 city in northern NH. Berlin has around 10,000 people. Around 1930 the population peaked at 20,000 and has been falling since then.

I agree with Manchester being the big city of NH. It is also the most populated city in Northern New England.

Northern New England is definitely not densely populated. Some of southeastern NH is, the Portland, ME area is and the Burlington, VT area might be considered so. The rest of it? Not a chance. It is very rural and sparsely populated. As are most of the parts of CA near NH and ME.

WY lost the vote for a bunch of reasons. For example, the governor of NH became a friend of the FSP. The governors of MT and ID recommended that the FSP select the opposite state :) The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire was the most successful state LP in the county and some people involved with it created a 101 reasons to move to NH document. NH and DE were the obvious choices when it came it potentially available jobs but since DE was really anti-liberty many people thought the idea of moving their as part of a liberty project was laughable.

We knew WY would have very few available jobs, especially tech related. However, there was a report that should the CO Front Range cities (a 45 minute to several hour drive from the WY/CO border) would gain 1000s and 1000s of new jobs (many of the tech related) over the next several years. It would have been a struggle, but for people willing to drive a couple hours or more a day for work, the jobs were predicted to be there. Unfortunately, the report predicted wrong and the majority of the predicted jobs were not created in that section of CO. Thankfully, the FSP and liberty movement dodged that bullet since NH won the vote.

TCE
09-10-2012, 09:35 PM
Great post!

A few things, if I may :)

Concord is physically located in southern NH. Feel free to call it central NH if you want. It isn't in northern NH. There is only 1 city in northern NH. Berlin has around 10,000 people. Around 1930 the population peaked at 20,000 and has been falling since then.

That's my fault. I was using the 43rd degree to delineate south vs. north (http://www.geonames.org/US/NH/largest-cities-in-new-hampshire.html), but after looking on a map, I would definitely call it central NH.


I agree with Manchester being the big city of NH. It is also the most populated city in Northern New England.

Northern New England is definitely not densely populated. Some of southeastern NH is, the Portland, ME area is and the Burlington, VT area might be considered so. The rest of it? Not a chance. It is very rural and sparsely populated. As are most of the parts of CA near NH and ME.

WY lost the vote for a bunch of reasons. For example, the governor of NH became a friend of the FSP. The governors of MT and ID recommended that the FSP select the opposite state :) The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire was the most successful state LP in the county and some people involved with it created a 101 reasons to move to NH document. NH and DE were the obvious choices when it came it potentially available jobs but since DE was really anti-liberty many people thought the idea of moving their as part of a liberty project was laughable.

We knew WY would have very few available jobs, especially tech related. However, there was a report that should the CO Front Range cities (a 45 minute to several hour drive from the WY/CO border) would gain 1000s and 1000s of new jobs (many of the tech related) over the next several years. It would have been a struggle, but for people willing to drive a couple hours or more a day for work, the jobs were predicted to be there. Unfortunately, the report predicted wrong and the majority of the predicted jobs were not created in that section of CO. Thankfully, the FSP and liberty movement dodged that bullet since NH won the vote.

Besides, Wyoming would not have solved the "it's cold there every single day" argument since it has its own problems. Especially this year, I can't imagine the agricultural sector is doing that well considering the droughts. Wyoming was listed on draught.gov http://www.drought.gov/imageserver/NIDIS/DEWS/UCRB/docs/WWA-NIDIS_July_2012_Drought_update.pdf.

Pauls' Revere
09-10-2012, 10:43 PM
If I had the ways and means....I would get a yacht and register under a flag of conveinence. This, way you might be able to register as you deem fit if where you register becomes unsuitable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

Anti Federalist
09-10-2012, 10:50 PM
If I had the ways and means....I would get a yacht and register under a flag of conveinence. This, way you might be able to register as you deem fit if where you register becomes unsuitable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

FoCs are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

IMO regulations cover every square inch of sea surface now.

In fact, there is no more heavily regulated and monitored area of earth than the seven seas.

BSU kid
09-10-2012, 10:53 PM
Try living in Illinois, you will appreciate Indiana. There are essentially tiers of freedom and there is a bit of a drop between New Hampshire and every other state. As far as your earlier comment regarding New Hampshire, if you move to the northern part of the state, it is pretty open and more sparsely populated. The biggest city in northern New Hampshire is Concord at around 45,000 people, so it's not too big. There are plenty of small towns with far fewer people. It seems like you would want to avoid Manchester and Nashua, where there is much more Boston, MA influence considering how close they are. Manchester, though, for a "big" city, only has around 110,000 people.

Wyoming wasn't chosen for a couple of reasons. There was a research paper done back in 2003 when the voting was going on explaining why Wyoming wasn't the best choice but I'm having trouble finding it. Essentially, Wyoming began as less free and thus, would take a longer time to turn around. Even with 20,000 people, we would still only be 3.5% of the total population. More importantly, the vast majority of the jobs there are related to agriculture and their economy would have a hard time providing 20,000 new jobs to people whereas New Hampshire is much more diverse and people in technology can also thrive there.

I lived 18 years in Illinois, although none as a tax paying citizen so that is one experience I never had. I will say Cook County is beyond evil, and I prefer rural Illinois especially the Driftless Area in NW area and the stark fields of Central Illinois. I might be young but I don't feel any need to move to an urban area like many in my age group, too little freedom and its honestly too cramped for me. I'm not 100% convinced about the NWO but if it does go down, I'd also rather not be in a city. :p

I also had an opportunity to visit NH before, but I was only in Middle School. Concord was nice, Manchester was meh and the rural areas were to my liking; I never made it N. of Concord but I just did a little background Geography of areas north of there and I like what I see. Perhaps I misjudged?

AnalyticPursuit
09-10-2012, 11:08 PM
The next part of our journey as liberty activists has to be the Free State Project:

www.freestateproject.org

www.facebook.com/freestateproject.org

www.twitter.com/FreeStateNH

Pauls' Revere
09-10-2012, 11:11 PM
FoCs are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

IMO regulations cover every square inch of sea surface now.

In fact, there is no more heavily regulated and monitored area of earth than the seven seas.

Map of International waters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:International_waters.svg

Granted you would fall under international maritime law.
http://unlawoftheseatreaty.org/

But as Regan said: President Ronald Reagan rejected the treaty in 1982. As Edwin Meese, U.S. Attorney General under President Reagan, explained recently, "...it was out of step with the concepts of economic liberty and free enterprise that Ronald Reagan was to inspire throughout the world."

Notwithstanding concerns raised about the Law of the Sea Treaty - and there have been many - the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee recommended U.S. accession to the treaty in a unanimous vote in March 2004.

A vote of the entire U.S. Senate has yet to be scheduled.

So the USA has not ratified it?

Keith and stuff
09-10-2012, 11:15 PM
So the USA has not ratified it?

My understanding is that the US doesn't follow it. The US government claims it can do whatever it wants in any ocean water and does exactly that.

Pauls' Revere
09-10-2012, 11:18 PM
My understanding is that the US doesn't follow it. The US government claims it can do whatever it wants in any ocean water and does exactly that.

on what authority?

Mundane
09-10-2012, 11:22 PM
My understanding is that the US doesn't follow it. The US government claims it can do whatever it wants in any ocean water and does exactly that.

CBP told me their territorial waters extend 12 miles offshore. Is that not the Law of the Sea? If it is, then why are they quoting it as law if they don't follow it?

QuickZ06
09-10-2012, 11:23 PM
Switzerland, they built a bunch of bunkers for the whole population because they know just how crazy it is about to get.

Keith and stuff
09-10-2012, 11:26 PM
CBP told me their territorial waters extend 12 miles offshore. Is that not the Law of the Sea? If it is, then why are they quoting it as law if they don't follow it?

If the US Customs and Border Protection wants to pretend to follow a treaty it doesn't have to, it can. The US Navy doesn't follow the treaty.

Mundane
09-10-2012, 11:31 PM
If the US Customs and Border Protection wants to pretend to follow a treaty it doesn't have to, it can. The US Navy doesn't follow the treaty.

It was probably just for convenience then. I was walking on the beach and happened to cross the border while doing so. A CBP guy popped out of the bushes and asked me my citizenship. I said I'm walking
below the tiideline, so have I truly entered the USA? I guess It was convenient for the sea to be American at that time.

Pauls' Revere
09-10-2012, 11:32 PM
CBP told me their territorial waters extend 12 miles offshore. Is that not the Law of the Sea? If it is, then why are they quoting it as law if they don't follow it?

most countries recognize a 25 mile territorial water boundary, some use 12 miles. The USA uses the 25 mile limit.

QuickZ06
09-11-2012, 12:06 AM
most countries recognize a 25 mile territorial water boundary, some use 12 miles. The USA uses the 25 mile limit.

I dont think we have a limit as our military has no bounds.

Pauls' Revere
09-11-2012, 12:07 AM
I dont think we have a limit as our military has no bounds.

excellent point.

daviddee
09-11-2012, 12:59 AM
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daviddee
09-11-2012, 01:12 AM
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opal
09-11-2012, 05:49 AM
I'll stay where I am. Moving is darn difficult when there's poultry involved.

BSU kid
09-11-2012, 09:23 AM
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

KMX
09-11-2012, 02:48 PM
Free State Project!

I will be in New Hampshire in Spring of 2013!!

Who's coming with me? ;0)

messana
09-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Hong Kong first came to mind.

FSP is tempting though I'm not a huge fan of the north east.

Pauls' Revere
09-11-2012, 08:28 PM
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Sadly the USA is ranked 10th.

TCE
09-11-2012, 10:06 PM
I lived 18 years in Illinois, although none as a tax paying citizen so that is one experience I never had. I will say Cook County is beyond evil, and I prefer rural Illinois especially the Driftless Area in NW area and the stark fields of Central Illinois. I might be young but I don't feel any need to move to an urban area like many in my age group, too little freedom and its honestly too cramped for me. I'm not 100% convinced about the NWO but if it does go down, I'd also rather not be in a city. :p

I also had an opportunity to visit NH before, but I was only in Middle School. Concord was nice, Manchester was meh and the rural areas were to my liking; I never made it N. of Concord but I just did a little background Geography of areas north of there and I like what I see. Perhaps I misjudged?

I can barely look at my gross income when my check comes anymore, it is too depressing with all of the taxes. I went to school in Chicago for a few years. Once you get past the constant blaring of the sirens, the occasional mugger, and the constant threat of danger, one gets used to it. In all seriousness, I know where you're coming from. Living in the city permanently does not seem like fun and yes, in a SHTF scenario, anyone in a major city is cruisin' for a bruisin'. I did quite a bit of research regarding New Hampshire as well and I can't wait to move. I'll get to see trees, breathe air that isn't toxic and even get to see an ocean.

PierzStyx
09-12-2012, 01:51 AM
Switzerland. Then Idaho.

Dianne
09-12-2012, 02:21 AM
I'm looking at Ecuador, where you can rent a nice sized apartment for around $300. per month. Temperature is "spring like" all year, so tons of fresh fruit and vegetables 24/7, cheap prices, fresh seafood. Very easy to start your own business there... they love new things, restaurants, etc. Julian Assange asylum, standing up to the butt wipes in England and the U.S. Can easily live well in Ecuador for $1200 per month.

If you purchase land or a home 25k or more, you are given citizenship. Not much bullshit there, other than they are pretty serious about driving violations.

Working Poor
09-12-2012, 04:19 AM
Switzerland, they built a bunch of bunkers for the whole population because they know just how crazy it is about to get.

I keep hearing about a pole shift and that above the equator and away form the coastal regions is best.

osan
09-12-2012, 04:36 AM
There is nowhere to run. It's a globalist NWO push to destroy the sovereignty of all governments.

This. Very much.

Mike4Freedom
09-12-2012, 07:45 AM
The Republic of San Marino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_marino

It is located in Italy. I have dual citizenship. They also have the least restricting gun laws in Europe. This is the is Italian living without the Italian government, :)

WilliamShrugged
09-12-2012, 07:58 AM
Free State Project!

I will be in New Hampshire in Spring of 2013!!

Who's coming with me? ;0)

I'll be there around the same time. Maybe spring of 2014 depends on if i can get my CPT, save up more than 10k, and figure out where to live.

KMX
09-12-2012, 09:17 AM
Well if you want to rent a house and share let me know! I am 100% going this spring coming up.

People that love the ideas of Liberty and Freedom need to look deep in to what New Hampshire has to offer. Just off the top I can name a few.

No Income Tax
No sales tax
no helmet law
no seatbelt law
open carry
no laws against huge knifes or swords. You can take them in to public resturants and other places.
you can get to the rual areas, the Mountians and the beach in about an hour or 2.
If you want to some city life there is that to and Boston and New York is not that far.
Seems like the average electric bill is 1/2 of what I pay in Texas. $50 there 100-130$ here in Texas

I want to go where there are many many like minded people with the same goal in life. Libery, Freedom and pursue happiness. New Hampshire is that place.

KMX
09-13-2012, 10:40 AM
Free State looking good!

opal
09-13-2012, 03:40 PM
I'd love to see a freestate project 2.. somewhere in the south. I gave up my snow shovel days years ago

Captain Shays
09-13-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd love to see a freestate project 2.. somewhere in the south. I gave up my snow shovel days years ago
Thats about where I'm at. After two years of record snow fall in New Jersey I'm finished with snow. My wife is from South Carolina and has some family there. All of them armed to the teeth and woudln't blink an eye at using them if they had to. South Carolina hjas a low population density which is key to taking over any state to make it freedom loving.
Montana is way ahead of the game and that's why Chuck Baldwin moved up there. Lots of patriots there. Wherever you go, you need to make sure you're not alone in any sort of fight for freedom.

The mountains of Wetern North Carolina is also a good place to put up any kind of resistence and live somewhat free and be left alone

Outside the country I would consider Panama. Lots of ex-pats there. They are relatively free and trade in US currency (for what it's worth). Their infrastructure is coming along for Central American country.

CaptainAmerica
09-13-2012, 05:34 PM
New Zealand is nice,I wouldn't mind it as long as its away from cities.

DavidK
09-13-2012, 05:38 PM
The United States will be my grave -- I will fight for my freedom and the constitution until the death.

losinglife
09-13-2012, 07:01 PM
the problem with new hampshire is the damn cold.

if it wasnt for that, it would be first on my list

TCE
09-13-2012, 08:53 PM
Most free state in the nation and cold weather six months out of the year vs. Income tax-laden, regulations filled, anti-liberty state and nice weather.


Hmm...

WilliamShrugged
09-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Most free state in the nation and cold weather six months out of the year vs. Income tax-laden, regulations filled, anti-liberty state and nice weather.


Hmm...

If i get cold i can start a fire, get a blanket, wear cloths, hot beverage, etc... If i live in a state that doesn't respect freedom but has nice weather i guess i can MOVE.

WilliamShrugged
09-13-2012, 09:12 PM
the problem with new hampshire is the damn cold.

if it wasnt for that, it would be first on my list

You do realize that there is a thing called a heater? Kinda like that think i'm using here in hot ass Texas called a cooler.

Keith and stuff
09-13-2012, 09:15 PM
I think the weather is better in southern NH than Houston or Atlanta. I do agree that the weather is better in HI or SoCal. Evn SoCal has fire season so no place in the US has perfect weather. Weather is subjective and I like have 4 seasons. I Los like that none of the seasons are crazy hot.

If someone hates cold weather, it is easy enough to have a 3 season cabin in NH or a mobile home in AL. Millions of Americans live like that. As was also suggested, we have clothes in NH. I actually had an outside job a couple winters ago and it was awesome. All of the free skiing I wanted!

opal
09-13-2012, 09:30 PM
I gladly trade the occasional hurricane for the every year sure snow shovel escapades. We have seasons here.. spring lasts around 10 days but it happens, and here on the panhandle, it does occasionally freeze.. just no throwing out of the back removing that white stuff. If I look out a window and see white on the ground.. it's sand.

Anti Federalist
09-13-2012, 10:12 PM
I gladly trade the occasional hurricane for the every year sure snow shovel escapades. We have seasons here.. spring lasts around 10 days but it happens, and here on the panhandle, it does occasionally freeze.. just no throwing out of the back removing that white stuff. If I look out a window and see white on the ground.. it's sand.

Leaves and snow become less problematic when you take a "god put there, god will get rid of it" attitude.

Works great for me!

;)

One pass with the "snowplow" is all it takes.

http://static.auctionservices.com/images/1971230/John_Deere_Backhoe_medium.jpg

AlexAmore
09-13-2012, 10:27 PM
I love living in NH. Pro Tip: Try skiing a couple times. It's easy to learn and tons of fun. Then you'll look forward to winter :)

opal
09-13-2012, 10:35 PM
I grew up in Saratoga county NY. I am familiar with the climate. Brrrrrr

TCE
09-13-2012, 10:58 PM
I love living in NH. Pro Tip: Try skiing a couple times. It's easy to learn and tons of fun. Then you'll look forward to winter :)

What if I just want to complain about the weather instead of doing something about it?

In all seriousness, I can imagine it isn't for everyone, but if things start to get worse, the cost-benefit analysis of trading nice weather for freedom changes. Is skiing easy to learn or does it take, you know, skill?

Keith and stuff
09-13-2012, 11:15 PM
What if I just want to complain about the weather instead of doing something about it?

In all seriousness, I can imagine it isn't for everyone, but if things start to get worse, the cost-benefit analysis of trading nice weather for freedom changes. Is skiing easy to learn or does it take, you know, skill?

Skiing is not hard, it just takes some practice. Used skis cost very little at the big ski expos most of the ski areas have every year. A friend can teach you to ski if you are both patient. The bunny hills are free at many of the ski areas so the most expensive part of learning to ski is driving to the ski area Several times and having a beer after you practice skiing. There are often some really good deals and ski areas and some of the ski areas stay open until 2AM on weekends.

Snowshoeing is a lot of fun and free after you buy the snowshoes. Same with cross county skiing and sledding. Ice skating is also free once you buy the shoes. Last winter was a huge disappointment, though, as it didn't snow that much.

The best ATV trail in the eastern US is currently being built in NH if you have a lot of money, like to hang out with hicks or just like big, loud machines. http://www.newhampshire.com/article/20120902/NEWHAMPSHIRE0301/709029936/0/newhampshire

KMX
09-14-2012, 08:47 AM
LMAO. Makes me laugh. Seeing all the people saying it's to cold.

What's more important Weather and 4-5 months of cold weather or Liberty & Freedom? Hello!

It's amazing the rest of the time.

Here in Texas it's cold a few months out of the year and then the oven is tunred on 110 for low bake the rest of the year.

Finally, smaller is better. Has to be a place where population is not huge and we can make change and influence others quickly.

Captain Shays
09-14-2012, 10:51 AM
I almost doesn't matter where you live when the economy collapses and things break loose. All you need to know is who will fight beside you so that you and your family won't be taken to some FEMA camp

KMX
09-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Agreed.

Get to New Hampshire ASAP!

Captain Shays
09-14-2012, 12:26 PM
I don't think it's too cold in NH or MT. My wife does. I might die for liberty but I would also die without her by my side. We need a place thats warm to fight for liberty

seyferjm
09-14-2012, 12:30 PM
If you want warmer, maybe southern Indiana would be a good choice? It's not FSP free, but it beats a lot of other places.

Captain Shays
09-14-2012, 12:57 PM
We don't want to be so far from the ocean. South Carolina is looking better and better. We know people there who love liberty

KMX
09-16-2012, 09:46 AM
New Hampshire is not always cold.... and it has a beach. It's also called you can travel.

Captain Shays
09-16-2012, 03:47 PM
Man! You really want us up there in NH don't you? OK Will travel there next year to show my wife and get her take on it. New Jersey winters suck really bad too and after two and three years ago when we had terrible winters here, we were both ready for some sunshine

tremendoustie
09-17-2012, 05:25 PM
Try living in Illinois, you will appreciate Indiana. There are essentially tiers of freedom and there is a bit of a drop between New Hampshire and every other state. As far as your earlier comment regarding New Hampshire, if you move to the northern part of the state, it is pretty open and more sparsely populated. The biggest city in northern New Hampshire is Concord at around 45,000 people, so it's not too big.

I wouldn't consider Concord to be northern NH. Berlin and Lebanon are the largest cities truly in the north, with 10,000 and 13,000 people, respectively.

In coos county, there are more than 30 acres per person -- lots of space.

tremendoustie
09-17-2012, 05:33 PM
I also had an opportunity to visit NH before, but I was only in Middle School. Concord was nice, Manchester was meh and the rural areas were to my liking; I never made it N. of Concord but I just did a little background Geography of areas north of there and I like what I see. Perhaps I misjudged?

I agree, concord's ok, Manchester's meh, and the rural areas of NH (which can be found well within short commutes of cities) are the best places to live (bucolic, beautiful). Portsmouth is great -- awesome restaurants and pubs, beautiful seacoast, etc. The lakes region, and the mountains further to the north, are gorgeous. Nashua's under-appreciated, and has a great jobs market.

tremendoustie
09-17-2012, 05:35 PM
Man! You really want us up there in NH don't you? OK Will travel there next year to show my wife and get her take on it. New Jersey winters suck really bad too and after two and three years ago when we had terrible winters here, we were both ready for some sunshine

Yay! If you like the ocean, take a drive up highway 1A, right along the seacoast.

Porcfest might be a good occasion to visit.

tremendoustie
09-17-2012, 05:45 PM
the problem with new hampshire is the damn cold.

if it wasnt for that, it would be first on my list

It's not cold at all most of the year, and when it is, you just light a nice fire & enjoy cocoa, or wear a good jacket, and go skiing/sledding/skating.

In hot climates you'd be uncomfortable outside without AC in the summer. Same thing for NH in the winter, except you can always put on more clothes, but can't always take more off.

tremendoustie
09-17-2012, 05:51 PM
Most free state in the nation and cold weather six months out of the year vs. Income tax-laden, regulations filled, anti-liberty state and nice weather.
Hmm...

It's only cold for 3-4 months, and even then, the average daytime high is never below freezing. Plus, instead of sweating to death in the summer, you get mid to upper 70s.

You could try visiting Liberty Forum, in February, if you want to see what the winter's like.

TCE
09-17-2012, 08:00 PM
It's only cold for 3-4 months, and even then, the average daytime high is never below freezing. Plus, instead of sweating to death in the summer, you get mid to upper 70s.

You could try visiting Liberty Forum, in February, if you want to see what the winter's like.

I think you misunderstand me. Illinois is plenty cold, so I don't think that's an issue. I was trying to point out how foolish it is to choose nice weather and tyranny over lesser weather and freedom. Being able to breathe without the smell of factory smoke and sewage along with actually seeing an ocean sounds great to me.

KMX
09-20-2012, 12:00 PM
TCE then come to NH!

seyferjm
09-20-2012, 12:06 PM
I want to visit and meet some people really bad! I was in Vermont last September but didn't get the chance to visit NH.

KMX
09-21-2012, 02:18 PM
New Hampshire is the place to be for LIBERTY in your life!

BSU kid
09-21-2012, 04:37 PM
Fun Fact...NH is home to two ancient volcanoes.

Pericles
09-21-2012, 06:19 PM
I will throw out a few:

1. Switzerland - It has been mentioned already, but it is worth noting again. Switzerland's constitution is based on the US constitution. They are still a confederacy, with a massively neutered federal state. Neutral. Want to buy property? Better be a legal Swiss resident. Guns? Here is your fully automatic military weapon. Invading armies? All of the bridges are wired with high explosives. Add value in a desired field? Wages range from 100K CHF to 1M CHF. One big gated community to keep the riff-raff out. Can't afford it? Tough shit, there are others that can. The country is currently under attack and they are buckling hoping the torment will end... sadly, they do not realize they are the target of economic warfare.


A few additional facts-

After you get your residence permit, as a foreigner, you have to register yourself in the community in which you live. If you decide to move (there may be restrictions based on the type of residence permit you have), you then have to register your move.

No more automatic weapons for non military members, Switzerland caved in to the EU Schlengen Treaty. You have to have a background check to get a weapons permit. It is routine - similar to "shall issue" in the US, but you still have to do it.

Some Swiss banks no longer take accounts for US citizens, after Switzerland caved in to the IRS.

Every resident is required to purchase private health insurance.

The Swiss joke that everything that is not prohibited is required.

If you want to give up US citizenship in favor of Swiss citizenship, it is a 14 year process - if you are successful in obtaining Swiss citizenship. Your male children will then be subject to mandatory military service (and so may you depending on your age, and if you have not served in another army).

Mandatory TV tax, autobahn tax, etc. in addition to what people in the US are used to.

Switzerland has a great deal of freedom, but it is a different type of freedom than you may be used to in the US.

Keith and stuff
09-21-2012, 06:25 PM
Switzerland sounds OK, but only if you are originally from Switzerland :(

KMX
09-22-2012, 09:58 AM
Yeah, why run from the United States? Fight to keep the Constitution and what our Founding Fathers did alive.

KMX
09-23-2012, 08:16 PM
Why would you stay where your at?

Going to keep getting the same things. Your liberty and your freedoms taken.

Move to New Hampshire. ;0)

Professor8000
09-23-2012, 10:32 PM
Why would you stay where your at?

Going to keep getting the same things. Your liberty and your freedoms taken.

Move to New Hampshire. ;0)

Even though you feel there a too many lemmings here in Texas, I believe we still have a fighting chance. The Texas Republicans can be swayed our way with enough work.

KMX
09-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Texas is to big and to many Lemmings is damn right. Some of them claim to be Paul supporters but when shit hits the fan they fold like a bitch and give in to the evil that has been bending us over again and again.

People are brainwashed and don't care here in Texas, My parents are some of them. I have seen how brainwashed people can be 1st hand. THey have told me many times " I DONT CARE"

I'd rather be in a place where people care and there are many people working together to get the same things.

Won't happen here in Texas. Little over 1 million in New Hampshire and 25 Million in Texas. Good luck !!!! Migrate to small area and re shape in there.

Joe Barton has been in office for 30 years, he is loved by many of his Lemmings and they just keep voting him back in after he votes for more war, more debt, more taxes, more spending. the same the same the same. It's pretty sick here in Texas and I have had enough.

opal
09-24-2012, 01:58 PM
got a note from a friend tha tmoved BACK to NH a couple years ago. Next week they move into their 1792 built house in 100 acres of woods.
I hope he sends pics along when they move in.

nandnor
09-24-2012, 02:49 PM
nvm

KMX
09-24-2012, 07:55 PM
got a note from a friend tha tmoved BACK to NH a couple years ago. Next week they move into their 1792 built house in 100 acres of woods.
I hope he sends pics along when they move in.

Please send me pictures. I would love to see them.

KMX
09-25-2012, 07:16 AM
Now that I have seen some responses, I personally would move to a rural parcel of land somewhere in the Mountain West. A place I can feel "less controlled" and more free, my personal feeling is the FSP is noble but they picked the wrong state. NH is already too populated and is Geographically small and close to Washington, they should have picked a state like Wyoming where an influx of 20k supporters of liberty would make a HUGE difference given how sparsely populated it is.

I also concur that the Global agenda has begun, intact thats all my professors talk about is "globalization" this and "global community" that. Sigh

Sounds like New Hampshire to me.

BSU kid
09-25-2012, 09:07 AM
KMX might be happy to know I am doing a series of projects on New Hampshire for my class now. Hah

KMX
09-25-2012, 10:50 AM
KMX might be happy to know I am doing a series of projects on New Hampshire for my class now. Hah

About what?

KMX
09-26-2012, 09:05 AM
We have another mover coming this week and more on November 1st. They are flocking to New Hampshire.

Go Free State Project!

Pericles
09-26-2012, 04:26 PM
i agree those are countries with good economies, but none are english-based. the language barrier brings its own problems, so how is that a practical solution in a honest comparison with other alternatives?

The Swiss joke that English is the 5th official language.

DamianTV
09-26-2012, 04:40 PM
Well, since we're imagining, I'd choose someplace in time other than the current. Maybe the future, but doubtful as hindsight is always 20/20, probably somewhere in the past.

KMX
09-27-2012, 07:52 AM
I would want to be right here right now. The REVOLUTION is coming. WWIII and THE PEOPLE will be the victors!

KMX
09-28-2012, 08:03 AM
Free State Project leading with 32%

supermario21
09-28-2012, 08:24 AM
Texas if they were to try and secede from the union. Then we could get Ron Paul to run and be president.

KMX
09-29-2012, 09:04 AM
Im in Texas now. IM leaving for New Hampshire.

To many people who don't care or are like Lemmings and do as they are told.

Captain Shays
09-29-2012, 09:50 AM
Wherever you are or go you must prepare for what you know is coming.

KMX
09-29-2012, 10:21 PM
Yes and I want to be around people who are like minded. ;0)

hammy
09-30-2012, 10:51 PM
I think I'm for sure moving to NH after I graduate. Freestaters forever!