Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

[mfields11]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/

[heavenlyboy34]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/
It would be nice, but not likely. The State needs at least some conservatives around to keep the dialectic going and its illusion of legitimacy intact for the majority of people.

[AuH20]

It depends what lies in the future. Many of these unnatural & sometimes detrimental lifestyle choices are directly aided and abetted by the state and the parasitic system which we live in. Environment is the main reason why conservatism is dying as opposed to human beings becoming enlightened. In fact, many of these self-proclaimed enlightened folks are actually delusional for ignoring thousands of years of trial and error, but are often not directly penalized for their actions, thanks to the nanny state we live in.

In 2012, let's examine the numerous mulligans the state provides you if want to embark on risk averse lifestyle. Poor decisions are actually rewarded as bizarre as it sounds.

- Overdose and end up in the ER. Maybe end up in detox and start the cycle all over again.
- Having children out of wedlock. Throughout history, marriage was basically a survival contract more than anything else. With Uncle Sam's near limitless credit card and the advent of the feminist movement, men are accessories.
- Abortion. In a tight-knit community of yesteryear, this would be a big deal, but there aren't any communities anymore.
- The rapid appearance of AIDS in the 1980s which the homosexual community still blames Ronald Reagan for. Huh??? Free love has consequences brother. It's the same reason I don't jump out of an airplane without checking that my chute is packed.

In easy button America, there is no downside to being a selfish, ignorant & irresponsible asshole. It is in fact this regression is encouraged by the TPTB.

[JK/SEA]

i've been thinking this since i was 15-16...i'm 61 now. Goodluck.

[AuH20]

i've been thinking this since i was 15-16...i'm 61 now. Goodluck.

If we go headfirst in the dreaded 1984 scenario, it will die out in spectacular fashion. But if the system implodes on itself, you will see an incredible resurgence. Hardship and reality-based living promotes conservative values because many of these same values are long-term survival values, which thrive outside the matrix.

[sparebulb]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

I haven't read the link yet, but I can't let it not be pointed out that the older generation has been the biggest takers from government in the history of the world. Not to mention, they are the generation that has ushered in big government/big brother.

[Origanalist]

I haven't read the link yet, but I can't let it not be pointed out that the older generation has been the biggest takers from government in the history of the world. Not to mention, they are the generation that has ushered in big government/big brother.

Sorry sparebulb, we hardly started that ball rolling.

[LibertyEagle]

I haven't read the link yet, but I can't let it not be pointed out that the older generation has been the biggest takers from government in the history of the world. Not to mention, they are the generation that has ushered in big government/big brother.

Your generation is doing quite fine on that too.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/02/15/obama_youth_vote_young_voters_137797503_fullwidth_ 620x350.jpg

[Origanalist]

Why the hell are we pointing fingers? This shit started long before ANY of us were born.

[sparebulb]

Your generation is doing quite fine on that too.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/02/15/obama_youth_vote_young_voters_137797503_fullwidth_ 620x350.jpg

I'm not nearly as youthful as you might think. But I will take it as a compliment.

[Brett85]

I hope that "social liberalism" doesn't extend to abortion. I also don't think anyone can hardly make the argument that "gay marriage" is a libertarian position. The authentic libertarian position is to get the state out of marriage.

[brandon]

There are plenty of young conservatives. And there are plenty of young libertarians that will grow up and change their views. Talking about the death of conservatism might be good for a headline, but it's not reality. If nothing else, the meaning of the word will just slowly shift throughout the years like political labels have a tendency to do.

What we could see if we're really lucky, is the term conservative come to represent a few of the things that are currently considered libertarian beliefs.

[Brett85]

If nothing else, the meaning of the word will just slowly shift throughout the years like political labels have a tendency to do.

Exactly, conservatism doesn't need to go away; it just needs to be redefined. Guys like Rand Paul and Mike Lee are Constitutional conservatives. We need more people like that.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Each generation becomes more conservative when they get older. The older generations will never die out. I like your journalism though, its a breath of fresh air.

[LibertyEagle]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/

It depends upon what you mean by conservatism.

There is real conservatism that was revived by Barry Goldwater, Sr. and there is neoconservatism that is nothing more than liberal-progressivism. This article explains it well. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html

Real conservatives, those who remember their conservative principles of limited constitutional government, individual liberty, fiscal responsibility in government, a strong national defense (not offense), personal privacy, personal responsibility and states' "rights", will certainly die off, as the remnant does. But, hopefully, there will be many more from the liberty movement that will take their place. People like Rand Paul.

[sparebulb]

Sorry sparebulb, we hardly started that ball rolling.

Now that I have finally read the article in the link, I will go in another direction.

I believe that Ron Paul himself said something to the effect that social issues are a loser. I don't think that libertarians or a reformed gop can or should be built on a platform of gay issues.

[thehungarian]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/

I read this earlier today and agree for the most part.

The article focused mainly on gay marriage and I think you're right that eventually the opposition to it will die with the times.

As far as abortion, I think we actually will sway even more pro-life in the future as technology and medicine improve and viability comes sooner and sooner. Damnit, I had this all thought out earlier today with much more nuance and grace, but suffice it to say I've been drinking tonight and my mind has wandered.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not nearly as youthful as you might think. But I will take it as a compliment.

If you think voting for Obama is a compliment, what exactly are you doing here?

[Origanalist]

Now that I have finally read the article in the link, I will go in another direction.

I believe that Ron Paul himself said something to the effect that social issues are a loser. I don't think that libertarians or a reformed gop can or should be built on a platform of gay issues.

I also should have read the article instead of responding to your post. :o


. For example, take gay marriage. Millennials have grown up a time where it’s no longer taboo to be openly gay. Our favorite films and television shows have gay characters. Some of the most prominent figures in American culture are openly gay. If you look at the polls, public opinion has moved sharply in favor of gay marriage in recent years with 76% of 18-34 year olds saying that the law should recognize same sex marriage.

Sigh, all according to plan. Does any of the younger generation stop to think why all their favorite films and television shows have gay characters in them and why schools stress how being gay is normal? Or why the subject is so prominent in society in relevence to their numbers which are nothing like what is being represented in the media?

If the reason you are waiting for the older generation to fade out is so you can celebrate the gay lifestyle I feel sorry for you. Government should not be in the marriage business period.

[sparebulb]

If you think voting for Obama is a compliment, what exactly are you doing here?

Sheesh. It would not be hard to find a similar picture of young, enthusiastic, brain-deads at a Romney rally.

[heavenlyboy34]

It depends upon what you mean by conservatism.

There is real conservatism that was revived by Barry Goldwater, Sr. and there is neoconservatism that is nothing more than liberal-progressivism. This article explains it well. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html

Real conservatives, those who remember their conservative principles of limited constitutional government, individual liberty, fiscal responsibility in government, a strong national defense (not offense), personal privacy, personal responsibility and states' "rights", will certainly die off, as the remnant does. But, hopefully, there will be many more from the liberty movement that will take their place. People like Rand Paul.
Darned shame what "liberal" has come to mean. Mises would have teh sad. :(

[Brett85]

Now that I have finally read the article in the link, I will go in another direction.

I believe that Ron Paul himself said something to the effect that social issues are a loser. I don't think that libertarians or a reformed gop can or should be built on a platform of gay issues.

I think the military adventurism stance the GOP takes is the real loser, not their stance on social issues. A lot of the paleo-conservatives are turning against the GOP for that reason.

[thehungarian]

Sigh, all according to plan. Does any of the younger generation stop to think why all their favorite films and television shows have gay characters in them and why schools stress how being gay is normal? Or why the subject is so prominent in society in relevence to their numbers which are nothing like what is being represented in the media?

I think it's a combination of increased tolerance and acceptance from younger people, a far more brazen attitude from the LGBT community that wants to force recognition, and maybe just a better understanding of being gay in general.

I don't think anyone celebrates gayness as some sort of laudable achievement.


If the reason you are waiting for the older generation to fade out is so you can celebrate the gay lifestyle I feel sorry for you. Government should not be in the marriage business period.

Agreed here.

[QuickZ06]

"Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it".

[Origanalist]

I think the military adventurism stance the GOP takes is the real loser, not their stance on social issues. A lot of the paleo-conservatives are turning against the GOP for that reason.

I think most of the paleo's realize that the social issues should be left to local and State. Having them at the federal level is a losing game for everyone.

[Dr.3D]

"Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it".
I just wish I knew what my grandparents knew about getting through the great depression. They truly knew how to conserve.

[QuickZ06]

I just wish I knew what my grandparents knew about getting through the great depression. They truly knew how to conserve.

Crackers, peanut butter, syrup, still cannot believe they ate that pretty much everyday.

[Origanalist]

I think it's a combination of increased tolerance and acceptance from younger people, a far more brazen attitude from the LGBT community that wants to force recognition, and maybe just a better understanding of being gay in general.

I don't think anyone celebrates gayness as some sort of laudable achievement.



Agreed here.

If you can't see indoctrination at work I don't know how to open your eyes. Being gay is not a big deal to me, just making an observation.

[Dr.3D]

Crackers, peanut butter, syrup, still cannot believe they ate that pretty much everyday.
They would save the string off of a box of shoes and the wrapping paper from gifts to use over. My Grandma would sell cookies to get a few extra dollars saved away. Things were tough back then and they learned how to manage their way through it.

[LibertyEagle]

Darned shame what "liberal" has come to mean. Mises would have teh sad. :(

True. I had intended to use the word "leftist". The terms have been so screwed up.

[AuH20]

"Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it".

The problem with the contemporary generations is that they were born on third base and their historical identity has been concealed from them. So they have this inauthentic prism which they are comparing and contrasting every issue. I've talked to actual educated professionals with master degrees telling me that I have no use for a firearm since the police and military can protect me. It's their job they tell me. Of course, they think I'm borderline crazy when I mention Warren V. District of Columbia.

[LibertyEagle]

Sheesh. It would not be hard to find a similar picture of young, enthusiastic, brain-deads at a Romney rally.

Indeed and I doubt you'd find anyone here celebrating them. But, you did, Obama.

[Origanalist]

Indeed and I doubt you'd find anyone here celebrating them. But, you did, Obama.

I missed that.

[QuickZ06]

The problem with the contemporary generations is that they were born on third base and their historical identity has been concealed from them. So they have this inauthentic prism which they are comparing and contrasting every issue. I've talked to actual educated professionals with master degrees telling me that I have no use for a firearm since the police and military can protect me. It's their job they tell me. Of course, they think I'm borderline crazy when I mention Warren V. District of Columbia.

I think the internet has helped the most as to waking up the younger generation. This is just a personal opinion, but it seems it has woken up more people than anything else throughout history. Sharing ideas pretty much went main stream, I can see why the elite are trying to have their pawns pass all these bills for internet censorship.

[mad cow]

What are we older libertarians,chopped liver?
:(

[Cowlesy]

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

Accepting your definition of conservatism, there is a chance that, confined to the generation about which you are speaking, that style of conservatism may in fact die out. But like Norman Thomas (ran for President several times I believe as a Socialist candidate in the earlier half of the 20th century)


“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”
– Norman Thomas, American socialist

We are speeding down the socialist highway with cruise-control on, and a full tank of gas. Like socialists (neo-liberals, whatever we want to call them) correctly point out, medicare and social security are in fact socialist programs, as is the Federal Reserve System.

There is only a very narrow band of individuals who openly reject socialist policies in all forms, and they will never amass any great amount of political power. Thus we shift left-ward.

[idiom]

The authoritarian streak is pretty weak at the moment. The leech streak is the one that will start the war.

[tod evans]

"Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it".

I knew everything at 20...

At 30 I questioned everything I knew.

By 40 I realized how little I actually did know.

50....Okay I really am an idiot, but I'm trying...

Figure by 60 I'll be blathering in the corner...

[awake]

Every generation has its own strata of liberty lovers and slavery worshipers. Conservatism falls within this spectrum and will always be present.

[Origanalist]

I knew everything at 20...

At 30 I questioned everything I knew.

By 40 I realized how little I actually did know.

50....Okay I really am an idiot, but I'm trying...

Figure by 60 I'll be blathering in the corner...

Hee, hee, I know just how you feel.

[oyarde]

Why the hell are we pointing fingers? This shit started long before ANY of us were born. I am going to go with Woodrow Wilson , and yeah , that was before I was born ,but my Grand Father survived that war.

[sparebulb]

I missed that.

Me too.

I guess Nixon sees Obama everywhere when he drops acid.

[oyarde]

I just wish I knew what my grandparents knew about getting through the great depression. They truly knew how to conserve. I learned alot from mine . I owe them a great deal.

[tod evans]

I learned alot from mine . I owe them a great deal.

From mine;

Carry little or no debt, own only what you can maintain, spend less than you earn, working with your hands is honest.

[jclay2]

Your generation is doing quite fine on that too.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/02/15/obama_youth_vote_young_voters_137797503_fullwidth_ 620x350.jpg

Man this is a scary picture. If only they could realize they are happily marching themselves to slavery.

[Keith and stuff]

I like that you mentioned Young Americans for Liberty and Students for Liberty. I like that you linked to the websites. I am not sure I agree with the blog post, though :(

[Dr.3D]

Man this is a scary picture. If only they could realize they are happily marching themselves to slavery.
Is it that they haven't studied history or is it that they care to repeat the mistakes they should have learned from the study there of?

[jclay2]

Is it that they haven't studied history or is it that they care to repeat the mistakes they should have learned from the study there of?

Maybe they just want slavery?

[Dr.3D]

Maybe they just want slavery?
Something tells me, their greed makes them blind to what they are doing. Much is often the same when someone falls in love. Often the new lover fails to see the faults in his new found love.

[pochy1776]

I HAVE ONE QUESTION?

Why is it that Socially Liberal is caring, nice, good, progressive

While Social Conservative is Evil, Bad, Backward. I want to preserve American order through private means, but the damn progressives are shoving an agenda down my throat. Gay rights rely on outdated caricatures and i hope they all go to hell with their self entitled mantra of X Rights.

[Carson]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/


You have noticed things aren't going so well globally right?

[Humanae Libertas]

It depends what kind of conservatism dies off. While I find conservatism in general a threat to liberty, the ideology of social-conservatism dying, is a good thing. As for ideas carried by the fiscal-conservatives, that's something we can come to an agreement. :)

[AuH20]

What is transpiring has happened once before and the same cycle will likely repeat itself in the future. I'm reminded of Russell Kirk's memorable quote:

"Like the atrocities and disasters of Greece in the fifth century before Christ, the ruin of great nations in our century shows us the pit into which fall societies that mistake clever self-interest, or ingenious social controls, for pleasing alternatives to an old fangled moral order."

[thehungarian]

If you can't see indoctrination at work I don't know how to open your eyes. Being gay is not a big deal to me, just making an observation.

I didn't deny the presence indoctrination, only that there may be other factors at work as well. I don't know the curriculum of public schools, but I'm sure indoctrination of gay culture, if you will, is prevalent there.

However, I don't think it would have such a large place in the current media culture if it didn't sell; i.e Will & Grace, Glee or that New Normal show that just came out on NBC.

[oyarde]

Man this is a scary picture. If only they could realize they are happily marching themselves to slavery. Still under the delusion they get "free , everything " , and darn sure not smart enough to know who wil be paying for it once I am dead and no longer subsidizing :) , part of me says , meh serves them right , fuck em , they will starve, then , I think , I should be ashamed for thinking that, not going to worry about it today , long as I never see any of them on my property , no worries .

[helmuth_hubener]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism Didn't read the article. But as far as this sentence? Good riddance! Conservatism is a bewildered, contradictory, tyrannical, war-glorifying, and disgusting political philosophy mishmash of beliefs. If it disappears, good riddance to it. May it never appear again.

[pochy1776]

Didn't read the article. But as far as this sentence? Good riddance! Conservatism is a bewildered, contradictory, tyrannical, war-glorifying, and disgusting political philosophy mishmash of beliefs. If it disappears, good riddance to it. May it never appear again.

Really? Read some damn Kirk and decide for yourself whether conservatism in good or not (I assume you have though). I am tired of "libertarians" who think socially liberal culture means good. The Austrian school of economics can barely go outside their own little bubble despite the good stuff. Ever notice why Austro has become like the damn paleo movement. Real Conservatism died after the loss of Barry Goldwater. And libertarianism is also a mishmash of beliefs when you account for the assholes at Reason Magazine. Real libertarians read MISES.

[pochy1776]

It depends what kind of conservatism dies off. While I find conservatism in general a threat to liberty, the ideology of social-conservatism dying, is a good thing. As for ideas carried by the fiscal-conservatives, that's something we can come to an agreement. :)

FACEPALM What makes social conservatism bad? Not resonating with the young?

[Humanae Libertas]

FACEPALM What makes social conservatism bad? Not resonating with the young?

No, I have no problem with the people, per se, just the ideas of social-conservatism such as a push for big government into everyone's personal life(e.g. abortion, marriage, education. etc.)

[pochy1776]

No, I have no problem with the people, per se, just the ideas of social-conservatism such as a push for big government into everyone's personal life(e.g. abortion, marriage, education. etc.)

(Abortion-choice of mother and fetus. To me, life begins at conception. Should be discouraged but legal on the state/local level)
(Marriage- union between man and woman, but government should out itself)
(Education- I reckon socons have nothing on edu. In fact, most homeschool.)

[2young2vote]

My grandparents are voting for Mitt Romney. How is that conservative?

[AGRP]

Being old has nothing to do with being dumb. Its just that "old people" have more free time on their hands, thus they do more lame social things like being involved with the GOP. The majority of the general population is dumb, so there you go.

[AuH20]

My grandparents are voting for Mitt Romney. How is that conservative?

In their defense, the system keeps promoting compromised moderates on the republican ticket and carefully sliding them through the primary process. I'm not saying Reagan was great but look at the imposters who followed him. Both Bushes, Dole, McCain and now Romney. Meanwhile the dems run extreme Fabian socialists/Globalists like Clinton, Gore, Kerry & Obama and no one bats an eyelash. It is the epitome of a no-win situation.

[sparebulb]

In their defense, the system keeps promoting compromised moderates on the republican ticket and carefully sliding them through the primary process. I'm not saying Reagan was great but look at the imposters who followed him. Both Bushes, Dole, McCain and now Romney. Meanwhile the dems run extreme Fabian socialists/Globalists like Clinton, Gore, Kerry & Obama and no one bats an eyelash. It is the epitome of a no-win situation.

This can't be said often enough. Sadly, say this to a member of the masses and you get that blank stare like you are an alien with three heads.

[seraphson]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/

Pretty sure all the "real" conservatives died several generations ago. What we have now is a bunch of ignorants voting for whoever has the big fat red "R" next to their name because dad did. I'm sure the same applies to the left but the topic at hand is conservatism.

[AME3]

So true...
:)
I just wish I knew what my grandparents knew about getting through the great depression. They truly knew how to conserve.

[misterx]

No, I have no problem with the people, per se, just the ideas of social-conservatism such as a push for big government into everyone's personal life(e.g. abortion, marriage, education. etc.)

We became socially liberal through big government. Reliance on government weakened the bonds that hold families and communities together, and eliminated the need for the church. For every wedge issue you see conservatives wanting government power to decide, you also have liberals using government force on the other side. Step out of the cave and see beyond the shadows. I'm not against abortion myself, but morality plays a role in writing laws. Is it ok to take a life so long as that life isn't self-aware yet? Liberals on the one hand say yes for human beigns, but no for lower life forms. Either way they are inconistent and advocating government power to force their own morality on the nation.

As for education, it is liberals who have used government education to indoctrinate the youth with their values. Theres a reason you see liberal values as good and conservative as bad. It's because ghats what you've been taught your whole life. I used to be the same way, but now I see each set of values for what they are; tools to make society function better. While I'm still partial to liberal values, now I believe they are self-defeating and ultimtely weaken society. Actually that seems to be the whole point, so that we can all be easily herded into whatever the power elites will decide for us.

[helmuth_hubener]

Really? Read some damn Kirk and decide for yourself whether conservatism in good or not (I assume you have though). I am tired of "libertarians" who think socially liberal culture means good. It all depends on what you mean by "conservative." I did think of that before I posted, because in one sense I would be pro-conservative.

1) If by "conservative" you mean old-fashioned values, traditional family, traditional lifestyle, in short living an upstanding life with integrity, class, and impeccable morality, then I am all for that.

2) If by "conservative" you mean the incoherent blob of people on one political sports team, defined mostly by their insatiable bloodlust for war, blind loyalty to their team and hatred of the other team, and adoration of the "good old-fashioned" nation-state -- in short any gov't institution which has been around longer than 10 years (or was begun by Republicans), then you might guess whether I am all for that or not.



The Austrian school of economics can barely go outside their own little bubble despite the good stuff. Ever notice why Austro has become like the damn paleo movement. Real Conservatism died after the loss of Barry Goldwater. And libertarianism is also a mishmash of beliefs when you account for the assholes at Reason Magazine. Real libertarians read MISES. Real libertarians read everyone. Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe.... and important books from the opposition as well. Libertarianism is a coherent and consistent philosophy. Libertarianism is not libertinism. I find it highly encouraging the direction the movement is going, with the new center of gravity following leaders such as Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and Tom Woods -- respectable family men of high moral character and very boring/mundane/bourgeois personal habits. Religious men living admirable lives and setting a good example. I'm all for that. Maybe that's what you mean by going "paleo," and maybe that's what you mean by the "conservatism" which you favor.

[pochy1776]

It all depends on what you mean by "conservative." I did think of that before I posted, because in one sense I would be pro-conservative.

1) If by "conservative" you mean old-fashioned values, traditional family, traditional lifestyle, in short living an upstanding life with integrity, class, and impeccable morality, then I am all for that.

2) If by "conservative" you mean the incoherent blob of people on one political sports team, defined mostly by their insatiable bloodlust for war, blind loyalty to their team and hatred of the other team, and adoration of the "good old-fashioned" nation-state -- in short any gov't institution which has been around longer than 10 years (or was begun by Republicans), then you might guess whether I am all for that or not.


Real libertarians read everyone. Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe.... and important books from the opposition as well. Libertarianism is a coherent and consistent philosophy. Libertarianism is not libertinism. I find it highly encouraging the direction the movement is going, with the new center of gravity following leaders such as Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and Tom Woods -- respectable family men of high moral character and very boring/mundane/bourgeois personal habits. Religious men living admirable lives and setting a good example. I'm all for that. Maybe that's what you mean by going "paleo," and maybe that's what you mean by the "conservatism" which you favor.


I meant 1. Also, Social liberalism is not libertarian.

Also, by paleo, i meant how we are locked in our own bubble. Most Younger Libertarians don't read opposition. I suppose you read some marxist blowback. I am comparing the Pop-Libertarian moveent to the Paleoi movement. Devoid of reason and logic but jusgt shouting Liberty on the top of our lungs. Yes, I am a libertarian. I have not read much though.

[helmuth_hubener]

Yes, I am a libertarian. I have not read much though. Well, get cracking! ;)

[CaptainAmerica]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/
Younger generation of conservatives are fighting with the old GOP members. I can tell you of how many families I know where the parents(baby boomers) are completely ignorant to facts about the Afghanistan and Iraq wars etc.. and they just can't agree on anything with their own kids. I have friends who are conservatives that fight with their parents because the parents are the old GOP and the new GOP is trying to stop them from creating more wars and spending and alot of other bad stuff.When the baby boomer generation loses control of the party within the next few years things will get very interesting.

[twomp]

Your generation is doing quite fine on that too.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/02/15/obama_youth_vote_young_voters_137797503_fullwidth_ 620x350.jpg

To be fair, it's not like Obama was saying what he would be doing. The man said he would end the wars, end the patriot act, close Guantanamo. You know the kind of things that Ron Paul was saying.

Definitely my fault for voting for him but at the time, I didn't think he would do a complete 180. Also Mccain was saying that he wanted to stay in Iraq for 100 years. I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for him.

[DamianTV]

People of Every Generation base their conclusions on the information they have available to them. When the information is altered or prevented, it biases the conclusions that people will make. It is a form of censorship. And there are two ways to censor history. The first way is to edit what has already been recorded. The other way is to not record it to begin with. And sure as shit these people in power are doing everything they can to prevent real conservatism from being recorded, which will, in the long run, bias the conclusions of future generations, because the information will simply not be there. Just as we have been forced to become Ron Paul's Media, we must also record history and teach future generations about the Foundations of Liberty by teaching what true conservatism is.

[Zippyjuan]

What is "true conservatism"? That has changed over time. People like Bill Buckley and Ronald Reagan were once considered to be very conservative. Today they are seen as more moderate.

What would you consider to be "true conservatism"? Wiki basically describes it as unwillingness to change or resistance to change- prefering the traditional ways of doing things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism


The meaning of "conservatism" in America has little in common with the way the word is used elsewhere. As Ribuffo (2011) notes, "what Americans now call conservatism much of the world calls liberalism or neoliberalism."[109] Since the 1950s conservatism in the United States has been chiefly associated with the Republican Party. However, during the era of segregation many Southern Democrats were conservatives, and they played a key role in the Conservative Coalition that controlled Congress from 1937 to 1963.[110]

Major movements within American conservatism include support for tradition, law-and-order, Christianity, anti-communism, and a defense of "Western civilization from the challenges of modernist culture and totalitarian governments."[111] Economic conservatives and libertarians favor small government, low taxes, limited regulation, and free enterprise. Social conservatives see traditional social values as threatened by secularism, so they support school prayer and oppose abortion and homosexuality.[112] Neoconservatives want to expand American ideals throughout the world and show a strong support for Israel.[113] Paleoconservatives, in opposition to multiculturalism, press for restrictions on immigration.[114] Most U.S. conservatives prefer Republicans over Democrats, and most factions favor a strong foreign policy and a strong military. The conservative movement of the 1950s attempted to bring together these divergent strands, stressing the need for unity to prevent the spread of "Godless Communism", which Reagan later labeled an "evil empire".[115] During the Reagan administration, conservatives also supported the so-called "Reagan Doctrine" under which the U.S., as part of a Cold War strategy, provided military and other support to guerrilla insurgencies that were fighting governments aligned with the Soviet Union.

Other modern conservative beliefs include opposition to a world government and skepticism about the importance or validity of various environmental issues.[116]

Most recently, the Tea Party movement, founded in 2009, has proven a large outlet for populist American conservative ideas. Their stated goals include rigorous adherence to the U.S. Constitution, lower taxes, and opposition to a growing role for the federal government in health care. Electorally, it was considered a key force in Republicans reclaiming control of the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010.[

[Origanalist]

To be fair, it's not like Obama was saying what he would be doing. The man said he would end the wars, end the patriot act, close Guantanamo. You know the kind of things that Ron Paul was saying.

Definitely my fault for voting for him but at the time, I didn't think he would do a complete 180. Also Mccain was saying that he wanted to stay in Iraq for 100 years. I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for him.

GW Bush ran on a non-interventionalist platform, finger pointing is useless. The American people were offered a true non-interventionalist, and failed to rally to him.

We have to ask ourselves, why?

[Murray N Rothbard]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/

This is simply not true at all. If anything, when the "older generations" die off, so will their Statism-tarnished anti-liberty brand of "conservatism." The type that is pro-warfare state and ultimately pro-government. Remember war is the health of the State. These "conservatives" love tyrant war mongers like Abe Lincoln and even FDR. The newest conservatives are the RP movement and it's a much more principled and hardcore conservatism. I truly believe there has not been fundamentally anti-government conservatism like this since the American Revolution. It's a great time in US history, maybe even world or human history.

[heavenlyboy34]

It all depends on what you mean by "conservative." I did think of that before I posted, because in one sense I would be pro-conservative.

1) If by "conservative" you mean old-fashioned values, traditional family, traditional lifestyle, in short living an upstanding life with integrity, class, and impeccable morality, then I am all for that.

2) If by "conservative" you mean the incoherent blob of people on one political sports team, defined mostly by their insatiable bloodlust for war, blind loyalty to their team and hatred of the other team, and adoration of the "good old-fashioned" nation-state -- in short any gov't institution which has been around longer than 10 years (or was begun by Republicans), then you might guess whether I am all for that or not.


Real libertarians read everyone. Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe.... and important books from the opposition as well. Libertarianism is a coherent and consistent philosophy. Libertarianism is not libertinism. I find it highly encouraging the direction the movement is going, with the new center of gravity following leaders such as Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and Tom Woods -- respectable family men of high moral character and very boring/mundane/bourgeois personal habits. Religious men living admirable lives and setting a good example. I'm all for that. Maybe that's what you mean by going "paleo," and maybe that's what you mean by the "conservatism" which you favor. +rep :cool:

[deadfish]

Once the older generations in America die, so dies conservatism

Thoughts?

http://michellefields.com/2012/09/03/once-the-older-generations-in-america-die-so-does-conservatism/

So dies a lot of valuable skills and knowledge. I think overall, younger generations are less educated and/or less skilled in a trade.


At last week’s convention, a controversial vote took place aimed at preventing this youthful libertarian momentum from gaining influence within the party. A new rule was voted on and passed which now allows the Republican National Committee to change any of the party’s rules between party conventions without the consent of delegates. All they would need is a supermajority – three quarters of it’s members. What this does is strip away power from the local, young grassroots folks and gives it to the RNC. So the flow of power is now top-down, thus preventing young libertarian activists from exerting influence.

Hopefully all of your 12,000 twitter followers watched Ben Swann's video. Assuming they are real :)


Visit any college campus and you’ll see that the most active political groups are not the College Republicans or the College Democrats. The most politically active groups are the libertarian-leaning “Student for Liberty” groups. Libertarian groups like Young Americans for Liberty and Students for Liberty have taken over college campuses by working non-stop to educate and groom republican students to have the charisma and speaking skills of a Marco Rubio, but the ideas and knowledge of Ron Paul.

The Republican establishment has every right to be worried about the unpopularity of social conservatism among young Americans because, as of right now, it looks as if once the older generations in America die, so will social conservatism.

Do not leave out the importance of fiscal conservatism and civil liberties. Hopefully the fake-fiscal conservatism will die and real fiscal conservative will spread rapidly.

I do not get involved due to the issue of Gay Marriage. Yes, I agree that a gay couple should be entitled to the same bullshit tax benefits that any married couple receives. There are some scumbag married couples out there, so might as well spread the bullshit fairly. Back to the point, the reason I get involved is because of the fiscal meat grinder we are in and this grinder is about to be turned up to 11.

Whatever causes people to first look towards the ideals of liberty, they are bound to find an appreciation for the Constitution. Contain within is what I think is the best solution to Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc,; leave it to the States! Not perfect, but the politicians at your Statehouse may care a little bit about what you think. Washington DC certainly doesn't give a rat's ass what you think... you're a fucking peasant to them.

For the youth getting involved, I think they know what needs to be done. Abolish the TSA, Dept. of Education, the DEA; end the wars, slash government spending across the board, legalize marijuana, reform the tax code, and so on.

On the other hand, there is still a huge portion of the younger generations that are just totally oblivious to politics. I wouldn't excatly say we're entering a period of enlightenment due to a few youngsters discovering the United States Constitution.

By the way, Students for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty, and Campaign for Liberty do awesome work.

Good article.

[pochy1776]

Well, get cracking! ;)

What do you recommend?

[helmuth_hubener]

What do you recommend? Well, what is your background? What kind of things are you interested in? What have you read? How did you become libertarian?

[pochy1776]

I read END THE FED and Capitalism and Freedom. Some of 5 chapters of Atlas Shrugged and read some of Liberty Defined. I also read some of Kirks work including Chirping sectaries. I don't want to read the modern stuff but Ron Paul is good. I am interested in strict constitutionalism, The classics of libertarian thought, Libertarian Philosophy and Libertarian Criticism. In short the Classics, US History, Strict Constitutionalism, Libertarian thought and philosophy. Libertarian Criticism is good too. I became a Libertarian in 2010 but i was very critical of ron paul supporters. I become full libertarian in 2011. I am a homophobic guy and a personal social conservative I become one through Alex Jones and Glenn Beck, but reallty became one through critical thought of both Liberalism and Conservatism. Ron Paul, Mises institute, CATO and common sense were big factors. The Final lynchpin was my psychiatrist telling me why Praxeology is important and how he became a Libertarian. The only other one he knows is a guy from Hopkins. He is an Psychiatric attending at NYU Langone, Tisch and Bellvue.

[helmuth_hubener]

I assume you liked End the Fed and Capitalism and Freedom, which would lead me to tend towards manifesto-type books. Also, you are looking for the classics, for important foundational works.

Based on this and off-hand, without really knowing you and your personality, I think I'd recommend For a New Liberty. It is about as classic as you can get, and very accessible. The Mises Institute, in their generous tradition, makes it available online to read for free as well as offering the physical book for sale. I'd also recommend browsing around the Mises website, looking for things which interest you. I think you'll find a lot there, more effectively than I could try to find it for you.

[pochy1776]

I assume you liked End the Fed and Capitalism and Freedom, which would lead me to tend towards manifesto-type books. Also, you are looking for the classics, for important foundational works.

Based on this and off-hand, without really knowing you and your personality, I think I'd recommend For a New Liberty. It is about as classic as you can get, and very accessible. The Mises Institute, in their generous tradition, makes it available online to read for free as well as offering the physical book for sale. I'd also recommend browsing around the Mises website, looking for things which interest you. I think you'll find a lot there, more effectively than I could try to find it for you.
Thank You very Much. You are awesome. My only fear is that i am too moderate to love RothBard.

[helmuth_hubener]

Thank You very Much. You are awesome. My only fear is that i am too moderate to love RothBard. You're too kind. The book actually is pretty moderate-friendly, IMO, it's just very logical, slowly and gradually ramping up to the more unorthodox positions. You can always skip the last two chapters if you want to make sure you remain a moderate! :)

[maskander]

It depends what lies in the future. Many of these unnatural & sometimes detrimental lifestyle choices are directly aided and abetted by the state and the parasitic system which we live in. Environment is the main reason why conservatism is dying as opposed to human beings becoming enlightened. In fact, many of these self-proclaimed enlightened folks are actually delusional for ignoring thousands of years of trial and error, but are often not directly penalized for their actions, thanks to the nanny state we live in.

In 2012, let's examine the numerous mulligans the state provides you if want to embark on risk averse lifestyle. Poor decisions are actually rewarded as bizarre as it sounds.

- Overdose and end up in the ER. Maybe end up in detox and start the cycle all over again.
- Having children out of wedlock. Throughout history, marriage was basically a survival contract more than anything else. With Uncle Sam's near limitless credit card and the advent of the feminist movement, men are accessories.
- Abortion. In a tight-knit community of yesteryear, this would be a big deal, but there aren't any communities anymore.
- The rapid appearance of AIDS in the 1980s which the homosexual community still blames Ronald Reagan for. Huh??? Free love has consequences brother. It's the same reason I don't jump out of an airplane without checking that my chute is packed.

In easy button America, there is no downside to being a selfish, ignorant & irresponsible asshole. It is in fact this regression is encouraged by the TPTB.You didn't put much thought into this post did you?