Bullets Planted in Luggage of TX Ron Paul Delegate/Staffer at 2012 RNC

[VegasPatriot]

I was waiting to board my plane home from the 2012 RNC when a fellow Ron Paul supporter approached me by the name of Jackie Gloor. Jackie claims bullets were planted in her luggage; listen to her incredible story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsFVmZBAWI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsFVmZBAWI

[tony m]

wow. we need to hear more from her when more info comes forth.

[No1butPaul]

This is so compelling and has got to go viral. It's true, R$'s RNC is a criminal syndicate.

[ShaneEnochs]

What the FUCK?! Everyone needs to spread this!

[tod evans]

Look out for granny terrorists from Texas...:eek:

Be interesting to see how many others have "problems".....

[kathy88]

Holy shit. This could have ended very badly for this poor woman.

[VegasPatriot]

Could someone please post at DP, for some reason I cannot access my account there right now.

[kathy88]

Could someone please post at DP, for some reason I cannot access my account there right now.

Maybe you are a casualty of the Johnson takeover?

[VegasPatriot]

Maybe you are a casualty of the Johnson takeover?

No, I'm sure it's on my end.

[No1butPaul]

I am emailing this to everyone I can think of who might be able to distribute it. I don't think it's good to mess with Texans like this. I don't facebook or tweet, but hopefully you guys will all be doing this.

[luctor-et-emergo]

Solution to make sure this does not happen again: wildlife camera's, those things that make pictures whenever something walks in front of it. Infrared flash, so no flash to scare the vermin with.

But seriously. This whole time, it seems like a slippery slope, it's getting worse all the time.
Bullets planted ? I hope this get's resolved in a proper manner.

[opinionatedfool]

Watching this makes me feel sick. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it sure seems like it was some of the RNC/Romney people.

[MelissaCato]

Unbelievable what these scum do to us.

[RonRules]

Time for the FBI. Hope she didn't' touch the bullets, they need to be analyzed for fingerprints.

[ShaneEnochs]

Watching this makes me feel sick. I don't want to just to conclusions, but it sure seems like it was some of the RNC/Romney people.

Who else would it be?

[aclove]

Interesting, and similar to a story I heard from Cindy Sheehan. In 2009, she came to Charlotte, NC to be one of the speakers at our annual End the Fed protest across the street from the Charlotte Fed. After the event, she joined several of the event organizers for dinner and related the story of a similar experience at the 2008 DNC in Denver, CO. She said she was leaving her hotel room for the morning but hadn't gotten very far when she realized she'd forgotten something in her room. When she returned, she discovered a man in her room tampering with her phone. Upon being discovered, he panicked, shoved his way past her, and rushed out and down the hall.

[Dr.3D]

Time for the FBI. Hope she didn't' touch the bullets, they need to be analyzed for fingerprints.
From past experience, they won't bother with fingerprints. It's too much work for them and they figure they already know who the culprit is. Finding different fingerprints would just make it harder to prove their case.

Also I doubt anybody planting something in someones luggage would be stupid enough to leave fingerprints. We are dealing with professional thugs here.

[Dr.3D]

I don't understand what the big deal with bullets is anyway. It's not like they are dangerous in and of themselves. They can't be used without a firearm anyway.

[pacelli]

I don't understand what the big deal with bullets is anyway. It's not like they are dangerous in and of themselves. They can't be used without a firearm anyway.

I completely agree. Things are so out of hand that the communists confiscate bullet keychains that have 0 incendiary value and no primer.

[RonRules]

Please people, learn about how cults operate. Learn about Scientology's "Office of Special Affairs". It IS related to this current issue.

Planting evidence like that is a standard cult trick.

I need to re-iterate: It's not about their beliefs, it's about their actions.

Mormons are just a lot smarter about how they operate. The have a similar organization to OSA that does their dirty tricks. It's called the "Strengthening Church Members Committee"

You can read about it here:
http://www.wheatandtares.org/2012/03/29/who-on-earth-knows-what-the-strengthening-church-members-committee-is-or-does/

If the truth ever comes out about these planted bullets, I expect that the guilty party will be either associated or paid by with the Mormon church.

Because of my knowledge of cults, I believe Mitt Romney, and his 14 million sized flock is the scariest threat on our liberty. Cults are totalitarian and liberty is the first thing to go.

[RonRules]

Please people, learn about how cults operate. Learn about Scientology's "Office of Special Affairs". It IS related to this current issue.

Planting evidence like that is a standard cult trick.

I need to re-iterate: It's not about their beliefs, it's about their actions.

Mormons are just a lot smarter about how they operate. The have a similar organization to OSA that does their dirty tricks. It's called the "Strengthening Church Members Committee"

You can read about it here:
http://www.wheatandtares.org/2012/03/29/who-on-earth-knows-what-the-strengthening-church-members-committee-is-or-does/

If the truth ever comes out about these planted bullets, I expect that the guilty party will be either associated or paid by with the Mormon church.

Because of my knowledge of cults, I believe Mitt Romney, and his 14 million sized flock is the scariest threat on our liberty. Cults are totalitarian and liberty is the first thing to go.

[Dr.3D]

I completely agree. Things are so out of hand that the communists confiscate bullet keychains that have 0 incendiary value and no primer.

Yeah, it has gotten pretty bad. The other day I want down to the county court house to do some business and had to go through a metal detector. I put the contents of the pockets in the little tray and was told, I had to take my cartridge magazines out to my car before I could enter. Then while I was on my way out to the car to put those in it, they came running after me with my magnesium fire starter and said it had to be put in my car too. They didn't say I had to put my Bic lighter in the car though.

Here is what my magnesium fire starter looks like:
http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_590102_999_02?rgn=0,0,1059,632&scl=2.0171428571428573&fmt=jpeg&id=0ul2oPvjQ5MHKLmNYQ6yJj

It's just a block of magnesium with a flint striker mounted on the side.
It would be harder for me to light a fire with that than use my Bic lighter to do the same thing and I still was able to bring my Bic into the building.

[presence]

Weren't there reports of marijuana being planted in our delegates hotel rooms as well?

WTF?

I mean...

Really?

[wgadget]

So she wasn't just a delegate, she is an employee of Ron Paul's?

And what is the significance of the bullets? Is it supposed to be some kind of symbolism? A threat?

Or just to cause inconvenience with the TSA? Shoot, for it to be that, they could've just planted a 6oz bottle of shampoo...

[No1butPaul]

So she wasn't just a delegate, she is an employee of Ron Paul's?

And what is the significance of the bullets? Is it supposed to be some kind of symbolism? A threat?

Or just to cause inconvenience with the TSA? Shoot, for it to be that, they could've just planted a 6oz bottle of shampoo... She was both congressional staff & a delegate. I take it as purely intimidation.

[A. Havnes]

I don't want to sound anti-Mormon, because I'm not, so I'm just going to say that this was a political stunt by Romney, not a Mormon thing.

[No1butPaul]

Could someone please post at DP, for some reason I cannot access my account there right now.

Were we able to get this up @ GJ Central?

[tangent4ronpaul]

From past experience, they won't bother with fingerprints. It's too much work for them and they figure they already know who the culprit is. Finding different fingerprints would just make it harder to prove their case.

Also I doubt anybody planting something in someones luggage would be stupid enough to leave fingerprints. We are dealing with professional thugs here.

You can fake fingerprints. Touch a glass and you can make copies.. Yeah I know It sucks! But it can put you in prison! :(

-t

[Dr.3D]

You can fake fingerprints. Touch a glass and you can make copies.. Yeah I know It sucks! But it can put you in prison! :(

-t
Oh I know you can, but law enforcement doesn't usually bother with that unless it's a something like homicide. They consider it to be too much work.

[Ender]

Please people, learn about how cults operate. Learn about Scientology's "Office of Special Affairs". It IS related to this current issue.

Planting evidence like that is a standard cult trick.

I need to re-iterate: It's not about their beliefs, it's about their actions.

Mormons are just a lot smarter about how they operate. The have a similar organization to OSA that does their dirty tricks. It's called the "Strengthening Church Members Committee"

You can read about it here:
http://www.wheatandtares.org/2012/03/29/who-on-earth-knows-what-the-strengthening-church-members-committee-is-or-does/

If the truth ever comes out about these planted bullets, I expect that the guilty party will be either associated or paid by with the Mormon church.

Because of my knowledge of cults, I believe Mitt Romney, and his 14 million sized flock is the scariest threat on our liberty. Cults are totalitarian and liberty is the first thing to go.

Dude- your cult obsession is waaaay out of hand.

The Mormon Church has nothing to do with Romney's actions and to infer so is not only libel it is in extremely bad taste.

[RonRules]

The Mormon Church has nothing to do with Romney's actions and to infer so is not only libel it is in extremely bad taste.

Learn about cults. Romney IS the Mormon church. He was the Boston bishop and that' very high up in the hierarchy.

Again, it's not about the beliefs, but the actions of their spy agency that worries me.

[Dr.3D]

Learn about cults. Romney IS the Mormon church. He was the Boston bishop and that' very high up in the hierarchy.

Again, it's not about the beliefs, but the actions of their spy agency that worries me.
Romney: "I'll bet $10,000."

Interesting how the supposed very high up Boston bishop would say he would bet anything at all since it's against their religious beliefs to bet on anything.

[coastie]

Romney: "I'll bet $10,000."

Interesting how the supposed very high up Boston bishop would say he would bet anything at all since it's against their religious beliefs to bet on anything.

No surprise there, he doesn't really believe in anything.

Which also makes him perfect for the position he's running for(as it currently stands today).

[Dr.3D]

No surprise there, he doesn't really believe in anything.

Which also makes him perfect for the position he's running for(as it currently stands today).
That's to be expected from a flipper. He would say anything it takes to get what he wants.

[Carlybee]

Learn about cults. Romney IS the Mormon church. He was the Boston bishop and that' very high up in the hierarchy.

Again, it's not about the beliefs, but the actions of their spy agency that worries me.

The LDS genealogy database has info on everyone living and dead too.

[Carlybee]

I suspect it was an alphabet agency....it's what they do and they have RP people on their war list...declared or undeclared.

[Brian4Liberty]

Strange, as the effect is just like a malicious prank.

People should probably invest in some hidden cameras to place in their own rooms while they stay in hotels.

[tod evans]

Strange, as the effect is just like a malicious prank.

People should probably invest in some hidden cameras to place in their own rooms while they stay in hotels.

Then the poor lady could have been arrested for kiddy-porn or whatever else could be manufactured and stored digitally on "her" camera...

[Dr.3D]

Strange, as the effect is just like a malicious prank.

People should probably invest in some hidden cameras to place in their own rooms while they stay in hotels.
Then the cameras would probably get stolen too.

[helmuth_hubener]

Because of my knowledge of cults, I believe Mitt Romney, and his 14 million sized flock is the scariest threat on our liberty. Cults are totalitarian and liberty is the first thing to go. Wow, I'm impressed with your specialized knowledge in this area. You have clearly done your research. Could you give some first-hand examples of the misbehavior of this shadowy "committee"? Some haven't done as much intensive research as you and so they might not immediately believe your claims without proof, even though we know they should, of course.

[JK/SEA]

''then they fight you''......

watch your backs.

[donnay]

Wow, this is unbelievable. It proves to me, there is no playing nice with these people anymore. Thanks for posting! +rep

[Brian4Liberty]

It would also be good to know if she, or her husband, had ever taken that bag shooting. Caliber, brand and type of bullet might be good to know.

I have lost a pocket knife at a check point due to someone in the household "cleaning up" and putting the knife in a bag and forgetting about it (in her bag too). "Gee that's where I put that." :rolleyes:

[No1butPaul]

This is one source I emailed and they picked this story up:

http://www.usanewsfirst.com/2012/09/01/bullets-planted-in-luggage-of-ron-paul-delegate-jackie-gloor/


Republican delegate Jackie Gloor had bullets planted in her luggage, a Youtube video reports. Gloor works for Presidential candidate Ron Paul.

“Someone placing bullets in the luggage of Jackie Gloor is concerning who would do this. There has been so much corruption with Mitt Romney and the RNC cheating and changing rules. Ron Paul was to be nominated but Romney and the RNC changed the long standing rule to cheat Paul and the USA. A bus kept driving around the convention hall without letting people off so a lead person opposing the changing of the RNC rules couldn’t vote,” said a Independent voter.

Pastors call for Christians to stand up and call for the most electable Christian to be President. Ron Paul is the most electable Christian, followed by Virgil Goode. If Christians say no confidence in Mitt Romney, Paul can be President. Paul beta Obama in polling and Romney didn’t (Rasmussen Reports, April).

“We are glad that Ron Paul Delegate Jackie Gloor is fine,” said a Republican wanting Ron Paul to be President.

Pastors explain that corruption happens when a nation sins against God, and that national repentance brings God’s blessings and healing to a nation. (Deuteronomy 28, Nehemiah 9:32-38, Leviticus 26) One of the greatest sins is voting for ungodly people like Romney and Obama, instead of Christians like Ron Paul. (2 Chronicles 19:2, Galatians 1:9, Exodus 18:21)

Attorney Richard Gilbert says Romney is disqualified for felony. Watch video.

Pastor Steven Andrew calls Republicans to nominate Christian Ron Paul, not Mormon cult leader Mitt Romney. Seven convincing reasons are given to think about why people like Ron Paul so much.

PLEASE - let's get this out. We need people outside our movement to come together in this fight against these criminals.

[opal]

I hope someone with close ties has sent this to Dr Paul... I would put this on his need to know list

[gte811i]

Learn about cults. Romney IS the Mormon church. He was the Boston bishop and that' very high up in the hierarchy.

Again, it's not about the beliefs, but the actions of their spy agency that worries me.

I probably shouldn't be responding to this . . .but oh well. I'm LDS (mormon) been so my whole life, served a mission, etc. I know the ends and outs of the church. No I will not be voting for Romney, no he does not represent the LDS Church. And yes and this point I think he is probably just as corrupt as the rest of them. Religion has nothing to do with this. This is all about power. At one point he was a Bishop (very much like a pastor) over a congregation of anywhere from 200-300 people. I believe he was a stake president at one point, which is over about 7 congregations. I personally don't consider that "high up".

I personally think it is very possible that he is deceiving a lot of LDS members. They will vote for him because he is LDS and looks the part. Underneath he is just like the rest of the corrupt politicians. IMO his actions certainly are not representative of my beliefs.

[Ender]

Learn about cults. Romney IS the Mormon church. He was the Boston bishop and that' very high up in the hierarchy.

Again, it's not about the beliefs, but the actions of their spy agency that worries me.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

A Mormon bishop is NOT "high up in the hierarchy." YOU are spreading false info and I am asking you to stop.

[Ender]

I probably shouldn't be responding to this . . .but oh well. I'm LDS (mormon) been so my whole life, served a mission, etc. I know the ends and outs of the church. No I will not be voting for Romney, no he does not represent the LDS Church. And yes and this point I think he is probably just as corrupt as the rest of them. Religion has nothing to do with this. This is all about power. At one point he was a Bishop (very much like a pastor) over a congregation of anywhere from 200-300 people. I believe he was a stake president at one point, which is over about 7 congregations. I personally don't consider that "high up".

I personally think it is very possible that he is deceiving a lot of LDS members. They will vote for him because he is LDS and looks the part. Underneath he is just like the rest of the corrupt politicians. IMO his actions certainly are not representative of my beliefs.

1000+

[PatriotOne]

I suspect it was an alphabet agency....it's what they do and they have RP people on their war list...declared or undeclared.

The problem with identifying which group would of done this is that these type of tactics are not just utilized by our government. All the large churches and cults and mafia and large corporations and just about any organized crime syndicate use a whole array of sabotage tactics to get rid of their enemies. Ron Paul has alot of organizations who has a vested interest in making him and his movement go away. Could be any number of organizations who planted the bullets....but I certainly wouldn't take the Mormon Church off my list of suspects.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I probably shouldn't be responding to this . . .but oh well. I'm LDS (mormon) been so my whole life, served a mission, etc.


Sounded good to me.

[Tiso0770]

Morman!!!, Morman!!!...I thought he was a born again Christian...that two faced fraud.

[Carlybee]

Send it to Ben Swann

[eleganz]

Send it to Ben Swann

good idea email sent

[No1butPaul]

http://rtr.org/vid/892/bullets-planted-in-luggage-of-ron-paul-delegate-at-2012-rnc

[RonRules]

Where's Alex Jones when you need him!

[XTreat]

That is Jackie Gloor, she is more than just a delegate, she is Ron Paul's congressional secretary in Victoria. She is a very nice lady and a personal friend as well.

[Carson]

Her right to privacy was taken.

No arrest?


No cameras???

[CaptainAmerica]

This is so bad, and I can't believe Ron Paul and Carol Paul were being harassed earlier this week by the TSA over a "bomb" suspicion. Obviously someone is giving them orders to do this stuff.

[Carson]

I think a laptop and a motion activated camera recording off site would help putting a stop to this sort of thing.



P.S. Then again with the governments unconstitutional ability to link up video cameras, yours might complete the link and help them waltz right in. :D

[Josalyn]

Wow, I cannot believe this. I'm gonna spread this like a wildfire!

[RonRules]

No wonder Homeland Security needed to buy so many bullets!

Kidding aside, spread this wide. Post to Facebook, twitter, G+ and email. Everyone has to know how devious the opposition is.

[No1butPaul]

Matt Larson did a you tube on this and, from what I can tell, folks are becoming justifiably upset. I wonder if some Ron Paul supporters are starting to become somewhat desensitized though because of how much we have been cheated. I would have thought more people here would have been outraged. Add - maybe they are, but just not commenting much because this is really not a shocker considering we are dealing with a criminal syndicate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l77z9cd2wM

[FrankRep]

Bullets Planted in Luggage of Ron Paul Delegate at 2012 RNC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1TsFVmZBAWI#!)

Sept. 1, 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsFVmZBAWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsFVmZBAWI



I was waiting to board my plane home from the 2012 RNC when a fellow Ron Paul supporter approached me by the name of Jackie Gloor. Jackie claims bullets were planted in her luggage; listen to her incredible story.


Originally found here:

RTR.org: Bullets Planted in Luggage of Ron Paul Delegate at 2012 RNC
http://rtr.org/vid/892/bullets-planted-in-luggage-of-ron-paul-delegate-at-2012-rnc

[pcosmar]

You can fake fingerprints. Touch a glass and you can make copies.. Yeah I know It sucks! But it can put you in prison! :(

-t

Shit,, finger prints are east,, Fake DNA is a reality.
Oh,, and by Guess Who?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=lab-creates-fake-dna-evidence-2009-08-18
^^^
note: not Infowars

[Anti Federalist]

Time for the FBI. Hope she didn't' touch the bullets, they need to be analyzed for fingerprints.

No, but you can bet a bunch of TSA mooks did.

[Anti Federalist]

Where's Alex Jones when you need him!

I'd be willing to bet money that he covers this on his Sunday show.

Just sayin...

[Dr.3D]

Shit,, finger prints are east,, Fake DNA is a reality.
Oh,, and by Guess Who?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=lab-creates-fake-dna-evidence-2009-08-18

^^^
note: not Infowars
Yeah, I knew a plastic surgeon who put the fingerprints of a dead person on a pair of latex gloves. He said, all you need to do is make sure you rub each one of the glove fingers on your nose before using them.

[Mach]

Wow, I'm impressed with your specialized knowledge in this area. You have clearly done your research. Could you give some first-hand examples of the misbehavior of this shadowy "committee"? Some haven't done as much intensive research as you and so they might not immediately believe your claims without proof, even though we know they should, of course.

:D

[VegasPatriot]

http://www.dailypaul.com/252578/rp-staffer-claims-ammo-planted-in-baggage

Here is a thread the gentleman in the video posted at DP. I am the person taking video using my phone.

From the article on DP:

I'm a Delegate travelling home from Tampa. While waiting in the Tampa airport with some oath keepers staffers, we were approached by a woman who told us a very disturbing story. She said (video to follow) that her hotel room was broken into three times while she attended the convention as part of the Texas delegation. She filed a police report for the record. Nothing was missing from her room. Here is where it gets interesting ... She says that as she was going through TSA "security" at Tampa Intl. Airport they found .22 caliber Ammo in her luggage!! The RP staffer was sequestered in "TSA" area and told that she would be arrested for having this ammo in her luggage. She then told theTSA that she works for Ron Paul, and was released post-haste. I have her testimony on video, but am currently at 30k feet and cannot upload until later. I wanted to pass along at her request. The shit is getting deeper by the minute.

[RonRules]

At one point he was a Bishop (very much like a pastor) over a congregation of anywhere from 200-300 people. I believe he was a stake president at one point, which is over about 7 congregations. I personally don't consider that "high up".

The Huff post seems to agree with me more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/mitt-romney-mormon-leader_n_1845286.html

TAMPA, Fla. -- As the parade of witnesses to the godliness, charity and grace of Mitt Romney at the Republican National Convention Thursday night reminded us, Romney was a leading bishop in the Mormon Church. If he wins in November, he would be the first high-ranking religious official to become president of the U.S. in modern times.

The one-time president of the Boston Stake of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Romney is thus part of a presidential candidate trend that began in the modern era with Jimmy Carter, a lay preacher in the Baptist Church; television evangelist Pat Robertson; and Mike Huckabee of Arkansas.

Before the nominee's own speech on Thursday, the Romney campaign gingerly unveiled a new emphasis on Mitt Romney's Mormon faith and service -- an important, inescapable and perhaps helpful thread in the effort to turn him into a sympathetic, empathetic figure.

"Mitt taught faith in God, self-reliance and service to humanity," said Grant Bennett, who succeeded Romney as president of the Boston Stake.

Advisers have long urged Romney, who felt burned by the response to his talk of Mormonism four years ago, to return to the theme. "You'll learn more about Mitt as a person tonight," predicted speechwriter Stuart Stevens before the big speech.

There's no way that can happen without Romney's talking about his deep involvement in the church and his commitment to its teachings.

The GOP has become in essence a faith-based party. Ironically, the best evidence of that is the nomination of a man whose church is viewed as an anti-Christian cult by many voters in the party.



America was the first country to be founded with clear separation of Church and State. They wanted out from the evils of church and government colluding together to control people.

We're running right back into it.

[gte811i]

The Huff post seems to agree with me more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/mitt-romney-mormon-leader_n_1845286.html

TAMPA, Fla. -- As the parade of witnesses to the godliness, charity and grace of Mitt Romney at the Republican National Convention Thursday night reminded us, Romney was a leading bishop in the Mormon Church. If he wins in November, he would be the first high-ranking religious official to become president of the U.S. in modern times.

The one-time president of the Boston Stake of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Romney is thus part of a presidential candidate trend that began in the modern era with Jimmy Carter, a lay preacher in the Baptist Church; television evangelist Pat Robertson; and Mike Huckabee of Arkansas.

Before the nominee's own speech on Thursday, the Romney campaign gingerly unveiled a new emphasis on Mitt Romney's Mormon faith and service -- an important, inescapable and perhaps helpful thread in the effort to turn him into a sympathetic, empathetic figure.

"Mitt taught faith in God, self-reliance and service to humanity," said Grant Bennett, who succeeded Romney as president of the Boston Stake.

Advisers have long urged Romney, who felt burned by the response to his talk of Mormonism four years ago, to return to the theme. "You'll learn more about Mitt as a person tonight," predicted speechwriter Stuart Stevens before the big speech.

There's no way that can happen without Romney's talking about his deep involvement in the church and his commitment to its teachings.

The GOP has become in essence a faith-based party. Ironically, the best evidence of that is the nomination of a man whose church is viewed as an anti-Christian cult by many voters in the party.



America was the first country to be founded with clear separation of Church and State. They wanted out from the evils of church and government colluding together to control people.

We're running right back into it.

The small-minded attitude of the GOP isn't a GOP problem, it's a world-wide individual problem. For example, the same attitude that people give RP, oh Ron Paul isn't a Republican, I've got my whole life. Oh you're Mormon, you aren't Christian. Oh I see, so you get to define what I do and don't believe for me . . . thanks. My religion has been stomped on my whole life. It is really sickening to see fellow liberty minded individuals fall into the same trap.

Let me clue you in on a few facts. Bishops and Stake Presidents are not paid, they are normal people with normal jobs and normal families. Their only job is not a Bishop or a Stake President. They still have to feed their families. I've known many Bishops who have gone to school, with a full-time job, family, and are called to preside over a congregation. Stake Presidents are the same way; the Church does not pay them or fund them, so they have to work to provide for their families. Once you get beyond a Stake President most of those positions are full-time and require an individual to only be dedicated to that position. IMO if you have to work a full-time job, raise a family, and preside over a religious congregation you are NOT higher up.
Romney was not a "leading bishop" there is no such thing. I would classify a Stake President as a mid-ranking not high-ranking. For example if the Stake president comes and visits your congregation it's nice, but nobody says oh the Stake President is coming!! Now if an Area Authority comes that's a big deal. If a 70 comes that's a big deal.

Let me clue you in on something else, this county and the GOP has ALWAYS been faith-based, the founders were faith-based. Look at RP, there is no question that he has a very deep conviction in his religion; he doesn't talk about it much but it is evident in everything he does. I think that example is the way to go.

I will not vote for Romney; so can we please stop the Mormon bashing.

Finally if you have any doubts about these things I'll point you to something that lays out the basic tenets of my faith the 12 articles of faith:

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things

[RonRules]

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things

Everything written above the paragraph you wrote is nuts. "We believe in being subject to kings" Really? Re-read each line one-by-one, and be objective. Research them using contradictory and opposing sources, not using Mormon friendly apologetical publications. You will hopefully come to your senses.

Having lived in Utah for a few years, I will always say that Mormons are great people, hard working, honest people. But unfortunately, I'm sorry to tell you, they will lie like hyenas for their cult.

Just like Scientologists, who claim they are the "most ethical people on the planet", will routinely plant false evidence to discredit their critics. I sincerely believe (but don't yet have proof) that the above planted bullet operation was either done or paid for by operatives of the Mormon church.

Sorry, but time will tell.

[Matt Collins]

Has there been a news report or update on this? Any corroboration?