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tangent4ronpaul
08-31-2012, 05:40 AM
This time in a store - guessing Walmart or a grocery store. Happened at 4am when it was being stocked.

Details as I get them.

-t

Chester Copperpot
08-31-2012, 05:45 AM
This time in a store - guessing Walmart or a grocery store. Happened at 4am when it was being stocked.

Details as I get them.

-t

I live right next to this store.. supposedly gunman killed 2 people and turned gun on himself.. no other details

tangent4ronpaul
08-31-2012, 06:01 AM
At least 3 dead in supermarket shooting in New Jersey

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/at-least-3-dead-in-supermarket-shooting-in-new-jersey/1?csp=34news#.UECnTZbud8E

At least three people are dead, including a gunman, in a supermarket shooting in Old Bridge, N.J., the Associated Press reports, quoting a law enforcement official.

Old Bridge is a suburb of 65,000 people about 25 miles from New York City.

Update at 7:31 a.m. ET: WABC-TV says police responded to reports of gunfire at a Pathmark shopping center where employees were stocking shelves.
WABC-TV says the gunman was believed to be wearing body armor.

WABC-TV says the gunman was believed to be wearing body armor.

-t

pcosmar
08-31-2012, 06:08 AM
2 people and a suicide is not a Mass Shooting.
It is stupid shit,, but not a mass shooting.

fisharmor
08-31-2012, 06:15 AM
Cops shooting 9 innocent bystanders - that's a mass shooting.
34 striking miners getting gunned down by police in South Africa - that's a mass shooting.

Somehow those don't get as much attention, though, do they?

South Africa is actually charging 270 other miners with the murder of those 34 using an apartheid-era law.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/south-african-miners-charged-murder-34-colleagues-shot-police-article-1.1148452

There's so much actual news out there that nobody bothers with.....

ghengis86
08-31-2012, 06:20 AM
I don't believe this is possible; aren't guns illegal in NJ for mundanes?

Root
08-31-2012, 06:37 AM
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2012/08/gunman_kills_two_workers_befor.html

kathy88
08-31-2012, 07:27 AM
Wow that's pretty close to where I grew up.

muzzled dogg
08-31-2012, 07:29 AM
Ew path mark

Chester Copperpot
08-31-2012, 07:34 AM
Ew path mark

No whats Ew is PathMeister Beer...

asurfaholic
08-31-2012, 07:44 AM
Lol... MASS shooting?

Who is coming up with the idea to label 3 people as massive?

asurfaholic
08-31-2012, 07:46 AM
interesting factoid

about 115 people die per day in car crashes. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html

tangent4ronpaul
08-31-2012, 07:49 AM
Lol... MASS shooting?

Who is coming up with the idea to label 3 people as massive?

FOX news early, early in the morning - breaking about a "mass shooting", we will keep you updated as details come in.

They never mentioned it again...

-t

asurfaholic
08-31-2012, 07:51 AM
FOX news early, early in the morning - breaking about a "mass shooting", we will keep you updated as details come in.

They never mentioned it again...

-t

Its no secret they want people to live in fear of guns... How many injured?

tangent4ronpaul
08-31-2012, 08:00 AM
3 dead and I think 0 injured.

-t

brandon
08-31-2012, 08:03 AM
I don't believe this is possible; aren't guns illegal in NJ for mundanes? Yea something's not adding up here. Why would he have a gun? He must know that it's against the law.

specsaregood
08-31-2012, 08:12 AM
I don't believe this is possible; aren't guns illegal in NJ for mundanes?

Not completely; but you do have to sign a permit application saying you wont use the gun to overthrow the government.

Warrior_of_Freedom
08-31-2012, 08:13 AM
pathmark was rated the #1 worst supermarket in the country. I'm not surprised this person cracked. Pathmark routinely tries to fire workers for bullshit reasons so they can lay them off without benefits/severance pay, including people that have been there for decades.

aGameOfThrones
08-31-2012, 11:49 AM
This will make your head hurt...

Fred and Sue are the stars of this magical adventure.


Fred Clemens · Top Commenter · Drexel University
This killing harkens back to the coining of the phrase 'going postal' referring to the 35 post office workers that were killed over a period of years starting in 1983. Stress related. The recent killing in NYC was again job related. Had these individuals not had easy access to hand guns no doubt these co-workers would still be alive. I had an employee years ago that I counseled as to his performance - he eventually quit and 5 years later killed his wife and daughter (with a hand gun, of course). Lack of jobs and declining purchasing power play right into this scenario, so expect to see more of these hand gun killings. I will no doubt be blasted by the 'right to bear arms' wingnuts, but so be it.
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· 4 hours ago

Ann Clemens · Bend, Oregon
How many more episodes will we endure before gun control is taken seriously? ... It will likely have to be a product of anti-nimby ism. NRA backers and gun rights enthusiasts feeling the pain on a personal level. Can't believe it's been 30 years since that phrase was coined. We are so slow to change...
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· 3 hours ago
Sue Busch · Millersville University of Pennsylvania
Unfortunately until it affects someone in the heirarchy of the NRA or right-wing Congress, it'll continue. Obama can't bring it up for fear of being tarred and feathered - remember his people cling to their guns and religion" quip that almost did him in in 2008? I hope when he wins in Nov. he can address the problem that most sane people realize exist and call for commonsense gun laws. We can prevent people from voting but go ahead, you can buy that Glock! It's disgusting.
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· 3 hours ago
John Woods Jr. · Department Head at Central Intelligence Agency
BS Sue, absolute BS, this shooting AND the NY shooting are both in places where "Gun Control" is the strictest in the county, this is NOT about guns folks, this is about the unraveling of a country, people having been murdering each other from the beginning of time, what next? Take away steak knives, rocks, vehicles, how about banning cellphones, they killed over 6000 people last year in text and driving incidents, lets ban those too...
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· 2 hours ago
Fred Clemens · Top Commenter · Drexel University
John Woods - missing the point here. If someone wants to buy a hand gun, or an AK 47 they can do it, whether that particular state or city has a gun control law or not. Just drive to the next state and buy all you want. Don't think this disgruntled worker would've tried to kill his coworkers with a cell phone or by throwing rocks at them. Maybe if he didn't have access to these weapons, he would've found a non lethal way to let off steam.
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· 2 hours ago
Jon Wilson · Top Commenter · Deerfield Beach High School
Fred// Again... Nut cases and criminals will always find guns even if guns are illegal.
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· 2 hours ago
Jon Wilson · Top Commenter · Deerfield Beach High School
Ann Clemens // Take away all the guns inthe country and people would just use knives,baseball bats,cars,chainsaws and anything else you could kill someone with,Fruitcakes are fruitcakes even if you take all the guns.
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· 2 hours ago
Christian Corbitt · Top Commenter · 0311 at USMC
So you're saying we should make handguns hard to obtain. Okay. But what about the millions (seriously, hundreds of millions) of firearms already in the United States and private sales between citizens? Outlaw that too? Do you recall them or just hope that people who can't get handguns don't resort to buying them illegally, like every felon who's ever been arrested for having an illegal firearm?
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· about an hour ago
Christian Corbitt · Top Commenter · 0311 at USMC
Fred Clemens - When a person decides they're going to kill someone there's a lot of doubt in my mind that they would just shrug it off because they couldn't buy a gun legally. That's not exactly an "Oh well, I guess I'll just find something else to do" kind of decision.
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· about an hour ago
Christian Corbitt · Top Commenter · 0311 at USMC
My point is that whether or not it's easy to legally buy a handgun or other firearm, it will always be easy to obtain one through other means. Someone with the motivation to do it can always find a way to get a gun.
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· about an hour ago
Sue Busch · Millersville University of Pennsylvania
Christian - How would you know what a would-be murderer would think? Is there something you're not telling us? I for one am sick and tired of people defending our "right to keep a militia" amendment from 200-odd years ago. Back when the Constitution was written it took a minute to re-load a musket - they didn't have AK-47s that could spray armor-piercing bullets everywhere. If the Founding Fathers could see us now they'd be in misery over how egregiously we've misconstrued so much of what was written.
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· about an hour ago
John Woods Jr. · Department Head at Central Intelligence Agency
No Fred Clemens YOU are missing the point, you or no one else will EVER stop crazy people from killing others, EVER. Taking away rights from law abiding citizen will NEVER "fix" this problem, I'm sorry you can't fathom this.
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· about an hour ago
Chase T. Christensen · Top Commenter · Old Bridge High School
John Woods Jr., I see someone else gets the idea, thank you brother. This crime isn't a about guns at all but when the news feeds them misleading infomation like an AK-47 people think of terrorists and wars and get afraid. But the gun he used, in most likleyhood, was a semi automatic rifle which is leagal in about every state including Jersey and on a military rifle that shoots a 1000 rounds per min. If it wa full auto than it would have been illegal in about every state unless you had a class 3 fire arms permit which the chance of getting one in nj is less than winning the mega millions. It would have also cost the shooter about $20,000.
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· about an hour ago
Christian Corbitt · Top Commenter · 0311 at USMC
Sue Busch - Coming from someone who's been to war - twice - killing isn't a decision you make the same way as whether or not you'll take a nap after you go to work. Imagine being so angry and distraught that you decided to go to your workplace and shoot someone. I doubt you can because it's not a thought that comes to us naturally. And if it does and you're not concerned about it then you're a sociopath.

If they founding fathers expected the second amendment to only apply to weapons of the period they would have specified that - the right of the people to keep and bear single barreled muskets and pistols shall not be infringed. That is unless you're assuming that they never had the forethought that we might make technological advances like mankind had already been doing for millions of years, in which case you're calling the founding fathers a bunch of dunces who didn't know what they were doing when they founded the United States.
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· about an hour ago
Chase T. Christensen · Top Commenter · Old Bridge High School
Christian Corbitt, and in private sales their is paper work not just giving the gun to a random person, just letting every anti gun person know.
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· about an hour ago
Sue Busch · Millersville University of Pennsylvania
Sorry, I'm done wasting my time with you folks. We can't have a cilivilzed discussion about issues that affect us all, because there are those out there who can't fathom another person's viewpoint without making silly, spceious arguments and insults. Assuming the Founding Fathers would know about automatic weaponry in the future is like saying they should've anticipated the Internet. This is what people do when they can't make their point using facts. The fact is: it is just too easy to obtain a gun in this country, the laws criminalizing illdegally obtained guns and guns used in a robbery or homicide need to be stricter, and guns need to be under tighter control as to who is allowed to carry them. I'm tired of hearing about gun owners rights. What about my right not to get shot in a 7-11?
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· 53 minutes ago
Fred Clemens · Top Commenter · Drexel University
Christian Corbitt - yes, I am advocation elimination of all firearm possession (handguns and automatic or semi-automatic rifles) by private individuals. Those that want a weapon for self defense of their person, family, or place of business could legally purchase a taser. Hunters could own shotguns and deer rifles only after a thorough background check. Target practice shooters could keep their guns at the range under lock and key. Give the public 1 year to turn in their weapons and have the government reimburse them for the expense. Anyone who is caught and convicted of committting a crime involving a firearm would be sentenced to life imprisonment with no parole. Sounds crazy, I know and will draw the ire of many, but if you fast forward in time to about 200 years from now, this will not seem so crazy as we will have evolved into a more civilized nation.
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· 44 minutes ago
Fred Clemens · Top Commenter · Drexel University
John Woods Jr. What I can fathom is the ongoing senseless killings by individuals such as the one in this article who was no doubt a 'law abiding citizen', and had the legal 'right' to purchase an AK 47 which is designed for no other reason than to kill other human beings. You call this a 'right' ? No, we will never stop crazies from killing if they have their mind set on it, but we don't have to make it easier for them. What is your sage suggestion ?
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· 32 minutes ago
John Woods Jr. · Department Head at Central Intelligence Agency
Sue Busch I'm sorry you've "wasted" your time on "you people" and I'm sorry you don't think we are "civilized" but just because someone doesn't agree with YOU, doesn't mean they are wrong in wanting to hang on to what little rights we Americans still have. If you don't agree, then take it up with the founding fathers, or move to Europe where the have 20+ fatal stabbings per day, and you have no gun rights.
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· 29 minutes ago
John Woods Jr. · Department Head at Central Intelligence Agency
Fred, no offence, but after reading that you don't think anyone should have the right to own a firearm, there is no point in discussing this point with you, you are obviously of the communist/socialist persuasion and you have that right, because of the millions of Americans souls who fought and died for it, removing guns will NOT stop senseless killings, it's a proven fact, look at Europe, so good day.
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· 22 minutes ago
Frank Pestore · Top Commenter
Fred Clemens You are right, we should have much stricter standards for who is allowed to have a gun. While we are at it, we should dial up the requirements for the ability to drive a car, since even more people die that way; we should have testing for people's ability to decide what they eat, since they are killing themselves and dumping huge financial burdens on the rest of us; and we should really start controlling what people think, since that is where most of the problems come from. Heck, this whole freedom thing has too many risks for us, so let's just get rid of it.

The American tradition is to err on the side of freedom, even when it entails risk. You want to go the other way, that's fine, but don't expect everyone to want to go there with you. You are entitled to your opinion, and are welcome to be an American citizen and hold that opinion. However, there are lots of other societies that are not so hung up on the freedom thing, so why do you want to stay where the majority disagrees with you?
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· 19 minutes ago
John Woods Jr. · Department Head at Central Intelligence Agency
Then you tell me WHY Fatal Stabbings are on the rise in the UK? Explain your stand on gun control, when the UK has EXACLTY what both of you are talking about, and still have a major rise in HOMICIDES....explain....please.
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· 12 minutes ago
Fred Clemens · Top Commenter · Drexel University
Chrisian Corbitt - I take exception to your rationale regarding the intent of our founding fathers. The 2nd Amendment - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed - was adopted just after the Revolutionary War during a time when there was still tension and subsequently a second war with England, and the ongoing fear of attack by Native Americans in large parts of the country. When was the last time a militia was called to arms, or someone was killed by a tribe of Native Americans ?
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· 9 minutes ago
John Woods Jr. · Department Head at Central Intelligence Agency
Again Fred, explain WHY murder is on the rise in the UK, and all of Europe for that matter? Here is a direct quote from a UK source

"The most common method used for homicide is a knife or sharp instrument (approx 40% of homicides) for both men and women. The second most common method for males victims was punching or kicking, for female victims it was strangulation."

Explain? Please?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/at-least-3-dead-in-supermarket-shooting-in-new-jersey/1?csp=34news#.UED1K5Gi-Ot

CaptainAmerica
08-31-2012, 11:52 AM
2 people and a suicide is not a Mass Shooting.
It is stupid shit,, but not a mass shooting. this is exactly what I thought right after reading about 2 people being shot.

angelatc
08-31-2012, 11:58 AM
Not completely; but you do have to sign a permit application saying you wont use the gun to overthrow the government.

And I seem to recall that it's illegal to transport them in a car.

jmdrake
08-31-2012, 12:12 PM
Cops shooting 9 innocent bystanders - that's a mass shooting.
34 striking miners getting gunned down by police in South Africa - that's a mass shooting.

Somehow those don't get as much attention, though, do they?

South Africa is actually charging 270 other miners with the murder of those 34 using an apartheid-era law.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/south-african-miners-charged-murder-34-colleagues-shot-police-article-1.1148452

There's so much actual news out there that nobody bothers with.....

Wow! So under the Obama doctrine shouldn't we be invading South Africa?

(Warning! Graphic video below!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm1GSrcilDs

youngbuck
08-31-2012, 11:58 PM
As already mentioned, just what the hell is the definition of "mass shooting?" Surely 3 deaths doesn't qualify, not that that would stop the media from misuing hard-hitting and emotion-inducing terms/phrases. Those many die in a single car accident all day long.

phill4paul
09-01-2012, 12:21 AM
And every time more than one person dies it will be reported as "mass."

OMERGAWD!

Pete had it right in post #4.

ShaneEnochs
09-01-2012, 12:36 AM
I wonder why some of these stories get attraction but many do not. Heck, there were two guys having a shootout IN THE SAME CAR right outside my house a couple days ago. Three people were injured, and there's a day care right across the street.