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Elwar
08-29-2012, 01:14 PM
At this point, we know what will happen in November. Obamney will win the presidency and the US will go deeper into debt.

The United States government currently owes more than 17 trillion dollars in debt obligations. That is an average of 400,000 dollars for every person in the country. Those people who will never make 400,000 dollars to give to the government throughout their lives? Guess what? You are covering their share.

But there is a key word in there. 'dollars'

Where we need to go from here is to integrate our journey forward with leaving the dollar behind. We do not need to wait to "End the Fed". We do not need to call for a gold standard or competing currencies. The answer exists today, right now.

Every liberty loving American should must start transferring their dollars into bitcoins for day to day spending and perhaps a combination of bitcoins and gold/silver for long term savings.

If, at the very least, you do anything. At least learn how to use Bitcoins. It is very easy. Go to http://bitcoin.org/ and download the client and run it. Get some free bitcoins at https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/

The cheapest way to get bitcoins is at https://bitfloor.com/ The easiest way to get bitcoins is https://www.bitinstant.com/

Where can you spend Bitcoins? Anywhere that Visa is accepted with the bitinstant paycard( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101838.0 ).


What would this mean for you or all of us as a whole? If we all use something like Bitcoin in our day to day lives, then the whole idea of the government owing 17 trillion dollars will be meaningless to us. They could print out a bunch of 17 trillion dollar bills and pay off our debt with no affect on us. The Federal Reserve would be a joke and anyone still stuck using dollars would be left with monopoly money.

I am not saying that it can be a quick transition. Personally, I plan on converting the day to day spending portion of my paychecks into bitcoins and then using the bitcoin Visa card for spending. Maybe even using that for any bills I can pay with a debit card.

For investments, there is a Bitcoin stock exchange where you can invest in companies using bitcoins and earn bitcoins in return. The return on many of these companies has been very good.

And if you have a large savings, converting to gold would be good for that.

The key is preparing ourselves by getting off of the dollar. At that point, the government can print whatever they want. What would we care.


tl;dr Screw the Federal Reserve. Use Bitcoins for day to day spending and Bitcoin stock exchange and gold/silver for long term investments.

pcosmar
08-29-2012, 01:30 PM
tl;dr Screw the Federal Reserve. Use Bitcoins for day to day spending and Bitcoin stock exchange and gold/silver for long term investments.

What do you do when the power grid goes down and Phone lines are for Government use only? (Communication interrupted)

Elwar
08-29-2012, 01:31 PM
What do you do when the power grid goes down and Phone lines are for Government use only? (Communication interrupted)

Use this: http://bitcoincard.org/

pcosmar
08-29-2012, 02:21 PM
Use this: http://bitcoincard.org/

I don't believe any of my neighbors would have any use for that,, or even know what it is.

Meat and skins I can trade.

KCIndy
08-29-2012, 02:24 PM
I don't believe any of my neighbors would have any use for that,, or even know what it is.

Meat and skins I can trade.


Don't forget about coffee, tobacco and toilet paper! :D

FTL_Ian
08-29-2012, 02:27 PM
Join the Free State Project - it is full of bitcoin supporters and the Porcupine Freedom Festival (their yearly camping-gathering) was the biggest bitcoin event yet in the history of the bitcoin world!

http://freestateproject.org

Elwar
08-29-2012, 03:02 PM
Join the Free State Project - it is full of bitcoin supporters and the Porcupine Freedom Festival (their yearly camping-gathering) was the biggest bitcoin event yet in the history of the bitcoin world!

http://freestateproject.org

+1...critical mass will be reached there first

There was someone at the Ron Paul Rally handing out pamphlets for the FSP. He gave me one but I gave it back because he was preaching to the choir. He said he was running low.

FTL_Ian
08-29-2012, 07:47 PM
Yes, with over 1,000 here in NH already as part of the FSP and over 12,500 pledged to move, we have the most exciting movement for liberty out there!

There is also the Shire Society, a complimentary project based in NH: http://shiresociety.com

Pericles
08-29-2012, 09:37 PM
Nullification at the state and local level is the way forward for liberty.

Matt Collins
08-29-2012, 09:55 PM
Become a liberty political activist on the state level, and get liberty people into your state legislature. Also push for / against liberty or "anti-federalist" legislation in 2013.

mz10
08-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Three words: RUN. FOR. OFFICE.

fr33
08-29-2012, 10:16 PM
There's probably a lot of things you can do. Many of those things not political. I suggest not looking at it through political party-colored glasses.

Elwar
08-31-2012, 08:50 AM
There's probably a lot of things you can do. Many of those things not political. I suggest not looking at it through political party-colored glasses.

Agreed, switching to bitcoins moves power away from government and to the people. I have seen a lot of great advances in this technology over the past year and it only grows larger. The Fed will fall on its own, without any need for bills or laws in Washington.

Origanalist
08-31-2012, 09:08 AM
+1...critical mass will be reached there first

There was someone at the Ron Paul Rally handing out pamphlets for the FSP. He gave me one but I gave it back because he was preaching to the choir. He said he was running low.

Before bitcoins reaches critical mass, what makes you think the power brokers and war pigs won't go after it and brutally and utterly wipe it out?

Elwar
08-31-2012, 11:46 AM
Before bitcoins reaches critical mass, what makes you think the power brokers and war pigs won't go after it and brutally and utterly wipe it out?

They would need to wipe out the whole Internet to get rid of it.

Even then, there are plenty of ways to use it off of the Internet.

It would be easier to make gold illegal than Bitcoins.

FTL_Ian
08-31-2012, 12:02 PM
Nullification at the state and local level is the way forward for liberty.

Good strategy, if you can actually get elected at the state or local level. It is much easier to get elected in NH, as we have a concentration of liberty activists already here that is not found anywhere else. We're already getting elected and it's still the beginning of the Free State Project.

Brian4Liberty
08-31-2012, 12:06 PM
Where do we go from here?

You go to these two links and make sure you vote for our candidates for other offices:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365683-List-of-Liberty-minded-Candidates-for-US-Congress

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381855-List-of-liberty-minded-candidates-for-state-and-local-offices