Romney/Ryan Presidency will set the liberty movement back 16 years

[Havax]

Or at least potentially.

Romney 2012
Romney 2016
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- Pending currency collapse, mounting debt, people turn against all "republicans" again like they did with Bush and blame the free market
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Democrat 2020
Democrat 2024
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- Things get even worse and descend into full-blown socialism
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2028 becomes next opportunity for a liberty president


Another 4 years of Obama will be terrible...but just imagine another 16 years of it.

[Brett85]

I think I'm starting to agree with you guys more on that. Romney came out today and even said that he's pro abortion, opposes overturning Roe v. Wade. So he confirmed to me today that he basically is just a liberal Democrat who happens to be a registered Republican. He's on the wrong side of the two most important issues I care about, opposing pre-emptive war and opposing abortion. So, I think it probably is true that we might be in better shape if we're able to nominate a true pro life, pro liberty candidate in 2016.

[seyferjm]

The potential for this certainly exists, and it scares the crap out of me.

[seyferjm]

I think I'm starting to agree with you guys more on that. Romney came out today and even said that he's pro abortion, opposes overturning Roe v. Wade. So he confirmed to me today that he basically is just a liberal Democrat who happens to be a registered Republican. He's on the wrong side of the two most important issues I care about, opposing pre-emptive war and opposing abortion. So, I think it probably is true that we might be in better shape if we're able to nominate a true pro life, pro liberty candidate in 2016.

Link?

[Havax]

Even worse, a Romney/Ryan Presidency gives the establishment renewed legitimacy just at a time when their power is slipping over the party. People will be much more willing to go with a true liberty ticket if they see another establishment candidate lose and polarize even further against Obama and statism.

[Brett85]

Link?

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/2012-08-27/romney-says-abortion-legal-mothers-health

He says that abortion should be legal in situations that involve the "health" of the mother, which means that a woman should have the right to get an abortion if she has a headache. He also said that the abortion issue is "settled" in the courts.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Certain people here believe that Rand will primary Romney in 2016. God I hope so.

[seyferjm]

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/2012-08-27/romney-says-abortion-legal-mothers-health

He says that abortion should be legal in situations that involve the "health" of the mother, which means that a woman should have the right to get an abortion if she has a headache. He also said that the abortion issue is "settled" in the courts.

Thanks

[fr33]

Certain people here believe that Rand will primary Romney in 2016. God I hope so.

Were you watching today? Face incumbent Romney and face even worse odds.

[kahless]

Link?

If "Traditional Conservative" heard that it sounds like that now that Romney has secured the nomination he will now try to appease the left, flip-flopping back from Conservative talking points.

If true Romney just lost the election. The problem with the Republican party is that it has not moved far enough to the Conservative and Libertarian camp which is why the lose elections. But they seem to believe the country has moved so far to the left that the Republican party needs to move to the left.

This is why I was thinking an Obama win would be worse since it would be spun as the Republican party being too extreme to the right. Thus the Overton window would move far to the left for 2016 and also damage House and Senate races.

[69360]

No worries. Romney is going to lose. Look at the roll call. 10% of the GOP still doesn't support him. No way he wins the general without them.

[Tyler_Durden]

Good luck Obama. Win it all and burn it all down.

GOP GFYS

[Anti Federalist]

You, sir, are entirely and 100 percent correct.

If you folks want to wait another 16 years, until some of you are balding and middle aged and others of us are dead, to try this once again, by all means, do NOT do everything in your power to torpedo Obamney right here and right now.

Getting thrashed twice in row might even snap some more blinded GOPers out of their trance.

So if you want another chance at bat in 2016, then do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING you can, to make sure that Romney and the GOP gets a mud hole stomped in their asses this fall.


Or at least potentially.

Romney 2012
Romney 2016
-------------
- Pending currency collapse, mounting debt, people turn against all "republicans" again like they did with Bush and blame the free market
-------------
Democrat 2020
Democrat 2024
-------------
- Things get even worse and descend into full-blown socialism
------------
2028 becomes next opportunity for a liberty president


Another 4 years of Obama will be terrible...but just imagine another 16 years of it.

[acptulsa]

The Romney/Ryan administration will do nothing, because there won't be a Romney/Ryan administration. The GOP just handed Obama a second term on a silver platter. Romney couldn't beat him at badminton.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z102/CHRIS002_bucket/obama-laughing-258x300.jpg

[Mini-Me]

You, sir are entirely and 100 percent correct.

If you folks want to wait another 16 years, until some of you are balding and middle aged and others of us are dead, to try this once again, by all means, do NOT do everything in your power to torpedo Obamney right here and right now.

Getting thrashed twice in row might even snap some more blinded GOPers out of their trance.

But you want another chance at bat in 2016, then do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING you can, to make sure that Romney and the GOP gets a mud hole stomped in their asses this fall.

Absolutely...Romney must not be allowed to win the Presidency.

[nobody's_hero]

I'm to the point where I'm almost ready to vote straight-ticket democrat and watch the whole thing burn.

I won't give up on the GOP, I suppose, but I WILL humble them. The current GOP is far too arrogant to be rewarded with a victory in November (just as you wouldn't give candy to a child who misbehaves in the grocery store), and the only thing that will get them to pay attention is to lose election after election until they have no choice but to listen.

[July]

That's why it is important to work on the house and senate, so that there will be an opposition wing no matter who the president is.

[heavenlyboy34]

Or at least potentially.

Romney 2012
Romney 2016
-------------
- Pending currency collapse, mounting debt, people turn against all "republicans" again like they did with Bush and blame the free market
-------------
Democrat 2020
Democrat 2024
-------------
- Things get even worse and descend into full-blown socialism
------------
2028 becomes next opportunity for a liberty president


Another 4 years of Obama will be terrible...but just imagine another 16 years of it.
I like to think the liberty movement isn't so shallow that losing popularity contests would destroy it. If so, that's sad. :( Really, in the long run it's necessary to make the best of wins and losses (same as in real life).

Instead of lamenting "woe is me" all day, y'all out to find more productive ways to use the situation to your advantage. My advice is get your own shit in order while you can. When TSHTF, you won't have the luxury of getting supplies at the store and everyday stuff like that.

[mport1]

Or at least potentially.

Romney 2012
Romney 2016
-------------
- Pending currency collapse, mounting debt, people turn against all "republicans" again like they did with Bush and blame the free market
-------------
Democrat 2020
Democrat 2024
-------------
- Things get even worse and descend into full-blown socialism
------------
2028 becomes next opportunity for a liberty president


Another 4 years of Obama will be terrible...but just imagine another 16 years of it.

Yep, I'm rooting (but not voting for) Obama.

[Shane Harris]

You, sir are entirely and 100 percent correct.

If you folks want to wait another 16 years, until some of you are balding and middle aged and others of us are dead, to try this once again, by all means, do NOT do everything in your power to torpedo Obamney right here and right now.

Getting thrashed twice in row might even snap some more blinded GOPers out of their trance.

So if you want another chance at bat in 2016, then do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING you can, to make sure that Romney and the GOP gets a mud hole stomped in their asses this fall.

this.

[Liberty74]

If Obama wins another 4 years, there is no turning back. When the economy implodes soon, Obama will double and triple down on such crisis i.e. most likely through executive orders.

America will be over and so will be the liberty movement.

[DRFilms1]

Won't happen because Romney would need to win. He won't win, so Obama gets 4 more... Oh and this "If Obama gets 4 more the country is over" BS doesn't fly either... You're telling me the guy that could barely get anything done with a Democrat congress is now somehow going to do more with the current Republican congress? Especially after they see they can't act conservative but vote Liberal (Like Ryan) and expect to win our support?
I'm not buying it. We'll have the best chance in 2016

[BestVirginia]

If Obama wins another 4 years, there is no turning back. When the economy implodes soon, Obama will double and triple down on such crisis i.e. most likely through executive orders.

America will be over and so will be the liberty movement.


To me, that just sounds like a catalyst for a massive liberty movement.

[heavenlyboy34]

Won't happen because Romney would need to win. He won't win, so Obama gets 4 more... Oh and this "If Obama gets 4 more the country is over" BS doesn't fly either... You're telling me the guy that could barely get anything done with a Democrat congress is now somehow going to do more with the current Republican congress? Especially after they see they can't act conservative but vote Liberal (Like Ryan) and expect to win our support?
I'm not buying it. We'll have the best chance in 2016
Now you're bringing some common sense to the thread. I don't think it will make you popular ;) , but thanks.

[Mini-Me]

I'm to the point where I'm almost ready to vote straight-ticket democrat and watch the whole thing burn.

I won't give up on the GOP, I suppose, but I WILL humble them. The current GOP is far too arrogant to be rewarded with a victory in November (just as you wouldn't give candy to a child who misbehaves in the grocery store), and the only thing that will get them to pay attention is to lose election after election until they have no choice but to listen.

Precisely. They need humbling, but leaving isn't the answer either, since it's exactly what they want.

[Mini-Me]

If Obama wins another 4 years, there is no turning back. When the economy implodes soon, Obama will double and triple down on such crisis i.e. most likely through executive orders.

America will be over and so will be the liberty movement.

Romney wouldn't handle the country substantially differently from Obama in such a way that it would prevent or even postpone a collapse though. Actually, he's more likely to get us involved in another major war, which would be more expensive than anything Obama's planning to push through a gridlocked Congress. They both plan on increasing spending rather than reducing it after all anyway. Despite Obama spending way more than any other President ever and all the rhetoric about him being "unusual," he's technically increased the budget by a lower percentage rate than most recent Presidents, and Romney could easily be worse here. I'm not sure if that rate of budget increase includes the bailout he signed, but another war would be a wash with that anyway.

If America collapses under Obama, we have a chance to rise from the ashes...but if it collapses under Romney, it will be extremely difficult to fight the "final death of capitalism" narrative.

[Anti Federalist]

If Obama wins another 4 years, there is no turning back. When the economy implodes soon, Obama will double and triple down on such crisis i.e. most likely through executive orders.

America will be over and so will be the liberty movement.

Everybody was running around here saying the same thing four years ago.

The country will limp along precisely as long as the banksters and PTB wish it to.

The puppet POTUS will have little or nothing to do with when that time comes.

[jbauer]

If Obama wins another 4 years, there is no turning back. When the economy implodes soon, Obama will double and triple down on such crisis i.e. most likely through executive orders. America will be over and so will be the liberty movement.
And I'm quite ok with that. I say let Rome burn. Empowering the establishment repbulicans does nothing for our cause.

[heavenlyboy34]

Everybody was running around here saying the same thing four years ago.

The country will limp along precisely as long as the banksters and PTB wish it to.

The puppet POTUS will have little or nothing to do with when that time comes.
Lots of win right there^^

[jmdrake]

Let's see. So I have to listen to 4 more years of Obamabots talking telling me to "not talk about my president" or I have to listen to 4 to 8 years of idiot republicans defending Romney? It sucks to be alive right now.

[acptulsa]

The country will limp along precisely as long as the banksters and PTB wish it to.

You overestimate them.

It will limp along until the banksters get too greedy and hunt their cash cow to extinction. They probably won't do it on purpose. But they're obviously going to do it.

Unless we get more brilliant than we have been and find a way to stop them.

[Mini-Me]

AF might be overestimating them in the sense that TPTB can't prevent a collapse forever, but there are still a lot of things they can do to hasten a collapse if they see fit: There's no telling how much money the PPT is using to prop up the markets, but it's probably trillions, and they could let that shoe drop whenever they want. Similarly, the government could spend/borrow/print so much money or act so belligerently worldwide that they forced OPEC off the petrodollar standard, causing World War III and/or hyperinflation, and that's when the real collapse will happen, unless they opt for a currency exchange with a one world central bank first.

[RonRocks]

I've absolutely been on the same page OP. Obama winning might finally wake up the well intentioned 'liberals' out of their trance since they're usually less stubborn, younger, and more open minded than your traditional Neo-Cons and So-Cons. And at the same time, 2 consecutive elections lost by the GOP will show everyone that their strategy of picking these RINO war mongers has failed. They need to be humbled in a big way, and them losing will do exactly that.

[KramerDSP]

Just my take, but I think the country collapses regardless of who is in the White House. So four years of Romney and a collapse leads to 8 years of Hillary (who can now say "if Ron Paul ran at age 76, then I can run in my 70's"). If the country collapses under four more years of Obama, then we have a 25% chance of Rand Paul becoming the President.

[R3volutionJedi]

of course. that's why im voting for gary johnson

[heavenlyboy34]

Let's see. So I have to listen to 4 more years of Obamabots talking telling me to "not talk about my president" or I have to listen to 4 to 8 years of idiot republicans defending Romney? It sucks to be alive right now.
Turn off the TV/radio/livestream and take up meditation or prayer or something. The world isn't going anywhere, and this too shall pass. :) At least there aren't (official) orders to wage war against the populous...yet.

[cassielund99@gmail.com]

The only way it sets us back 16 years if we allow Mittens to win. A loss and it only sets us back 4 years. I will everything in my power to get people to vote anybody other than Mittens.