Welcome Ron Paul Supporters!

[stu2002]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrU6hTWyj6s&feature=g-upl

[stu2002]

Libertarian Party of Florida
We are being flooded with new membership registrations today after Romney's nomination, many people are abandoning ship! Will you join them?

[muzzled dogg]

ROFLMAO on this thread

kinda tru tho which makes it sad on top of everything

[stu2002]

ROFLMAO on this thread

kinda tru tho which makes it sad on top of everything

Ha Isn't it Ironic? Don't cha think

[LibertyEagle]

Not today. Please.

[stu2002]

@RonPaul supporters / delegates screwed as planned by the #GOP - did you expect anything less? Vote for @GovGaryJohnson #Election2012

[cajuncocoa]

He may be the best candidate who will have his name on my state's ballot, but he won't have my vote. I'm writing in Ron Paul, even if they throw it in file 13 (which they probably will).

[jkr]

maybe l8r...not 2 day

[Aratus]

Shem... lets all give Gov. Gary Johnson a rain check.
I'm going to be listening to Sen. Rand tomorrow nite.
I am waiting for Doctor Ron Paul to give an interview.

[MelissaWV]

You know that guy that sells funeral plots that calls as soon as a family member goes terminal, even if you have every reason to believe they will live for many more years?

The OP... is that guy.

[Aratus]

we also have to wait until Isaac storms past NOLA to think of the fall race...

[devil21]

I guess Stu didnt learn anything from Romney's conduct. Don't rub salt in the wound.

Always kinda thought stu was a troll though so who knows what the purpose of this thread really is.

[moostraks]

You know that guy that sells funeral plots that calls as soon as a family member goes terminal, even if you have every reason to believe they will live for many more years?

The OP... is that guy.

yep...but you definately made me laugh. Thanks!!!

[RickyJ]

I didn't vote for Bob Barr in 2008 and I am not voting for Gary Johnson in 2012. I am not a Libertarian, and I am more of a Constitution party person than a Republican. My vote this year will be for Ron Paul. I am going to feel good about it no matter if counts or not.

[Shane Harris]

Im not about to join the LP but he definitely has my vote, assuming he remains on the PA ballot.

[TC95]

Gary Johnson has 0 chance. Even if everyone in the country voted for him, Obama would still win. The voting machines are rigged. Whoever "they" have chosen will win. We silly voters decide nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso

[Indy Vidual]

Liberty is the goal, and Ron is one messenger.


Not today. Please.


maybe l8r...not 2 day


Shem... lets all give Gov. Gary Johnson a rain check.
I'm going to be listening to Sen. Rand tomorrow nite.
I am waiting for Doctor Ron Paul to give an interview.


You know that guy that sells funeral plots that calls as soon as a family member goes terminal, even if you have every reason to believe they will live for many more years?

The OP... is that guy.

Liberty is urgent and cannot wait for America to die even more.
Scary Johnson is on the ballot, and he supports at least 65% to 90% of the LP platform, which Ron Paul also endorses.

[Aratus]

^THIS^

[BSU kid]

I might vote for Gary, but I'm not joining the LP at least not yet. I value my status as an independent voter.

[stu2002]

I guess Stu didnt learn anything from Romney's conduct. Don't rub salt in the wound.

Always kinda thought stu was a troll though so who knows what the purpose of this thread really is.

Yep--anyone who doesn't engage in Group Think here is a Troll:confused:

[stu2002]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/527043_437244492995150_1196402042_n.jpg

[NACBA]

ROFLMAO on this thread

kinda tru tho which makes it sad on top of everything

Yeah I'm kinda coming around to the LP

[LibertyEagle]

Liberty is the goal, and Ron is one messenger.

Liberty is urgent and cannot wait for America to die even more.
Scary Johnson is on the ballot, and he supports at least 65% to 90% of the LP platform, which Ron Paul also endorses.

You say that like you think Johnson has a chance in hell.

He doesn't.

Oh, and Ron Paul hasn't endorsed anything about Johnson.

[stu2002]

Who needs to wait on an endorsement to support another candidate?

[kathy88]

You say that like you think Johnson has a chance in hell.

He doesn't.

Oh, and Ron Paul hasn't endorsed anything about Johnson.I'm not voting for Johnson but the above statement made me cringe. How pissed would we get when people said "I'm not voting for Paul he doesn't have a chance?" same applies here. Not voting for someone because they don't have a chance is the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It's not a fucking sporting event. It's our way of life.

[stu2002]

Not voting for someone because they don't have a chance is the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It's not a fucking sporting event. It's our way of life.

Bingo

[NACBA]

I'm not voting for Johnson but the above statement made me cringe. How pissed would we get when people said "I'm not voting for Paul he doesn't have a chance?" same applies here. Not voting for someone because they don't have a chance is the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It's not a fucking sporting event. It's our way of life.

+1

[EBounding]

Johnson isn't on the ballot in Michigan. I don't care for him, but if you like him, you should vote for him.

[stu2002]

Ron Paul Supporters for Gary Johnson 2012

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546703_339151399511923_621500993_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/ronpaulsupportersforgaryjohnson2012

[moostraks]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/527043_437244492995150_1196402042_n.jpg

After having Barr on the ticket last time this is a bit difficult to take seriously.

[V3n]

That "Let the exodus begin ad!" is the type of thing that bothers me most about GJ.
You don't get our vote by throwing a "RON PAUL" poster in your ad.

You still have to EARN it.

[NACBA]

There are many pundits who have opined that Gary Johnson is an important force in this election, that he offers real choice, and more importantly, that Ron Paul supporters should jump ship to the Libertarian party and vote for The Governor.

But before you do so, let's point out a few inconvenient facts that Governor Johnson doesn't want to talk about.

Such as the fact that in 1995, the year Gary Johnson became Governor, the State of New Mexico spent a total of $8.1 billion; $4.4 billion at the State Government level, $3.7 billion locally.

In 2003, the year he left office, The State spent $7.7 billion and local governments $5.7 billion, for a total of $13.4 billion.

Population went from 1.7 to 1.9 million over the same period.

The alleged Governor Veto wants you to believe he slashed spending and is a model of fiscal restraint. The truth is that state level spending increased by about 7.5% annually over his eight-year term. County and local governments did a better job of restraining spending; their spending advanced by "just" 6.5% annually during the same period.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210803

[stu2002]

Oh, and Ron Paul hasn't endorsed anything about Johnson.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/552071_339257496167980_995512544_n.jpg

[TonySutton]

We lost a battle not the war. We need to keep teaching, keep pushing and take the party back. Now is not the time to give up or give in. I personally feel it is a dishonor to Dr Ron Paul to quit just when he has helped us make the biggest move back towards liberty in a generation. Vote for Gary Johnson or whoever, I get that but giving up all of the ground we fought so hard for this last year is the wrong course.

Things will not get better even if Romney is elected and we need to be in those meetings to point out to local grassroots that Liberty was the answer yesterday, it is the answer today and it will be the answer tomorrow!

[kathy88]

Can't find it now but not too long ago I saw a meme with a pic of Gary and the caption was "the revolution just whipped out its...." then Johnson's face. Pretty clever and I'd totally rock that on a tee for comedic value.

[idiom]

The 2012 Presidential race is pretty moot at this point, barring an indy run by RP.

I think a vote for GJ is absolutely worthwhile. Joining the LP is another issue entirely. If you think you can be or want to work with a candidate that can get in 2014 as LP, go for it. From where I am sitting however, I think for 2014 we need to be winning races and conventions. If we extend our tendrils into maybe half the states, by 2016 we will be unstoppable. We will have automatic majorities on every committee.

If you have disqualified yourself from being a freedom cog in the GOP machine, then that is one more person we have to go find and train.

We are right on the threshold of tipping a majority of states into the hands of true constitutionalists. What we could really do with right after the election is a dissolution of the LP party to give us the raw dedicated manpower.

We are talking about 300,000 people who are dedicated to the cause enough to go third party to make a point. Now is the time for them to come home.

[king_nothing_]

You say that like you think Johnson has a chance in hell.

He doesn't.
This is a despicable line of reasoning, especially coming from a Ron Paul supporter who has undoubtedly had to endure that exact same rubbish in regards to supporting Ron Paul. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[stu2002]

This is a despicable line of reasoning, especially coming from a Ron Paul supporter who has undoubtedly had to endure that exact same rubbish in regards to supporting Ron Paul. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Right--have we learned nothing in 5 years????

[stu2002]

Gary Johnson Campaign Responds to Jesse Benton's Claim That There's "No Chance" of a Ron Paul Endorsement


During a conference call with reporters yesterday, Jesse Benton of the Ron Paul campaign said there was "no chance" of Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) endorsing former two-term New Mexico governor and Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson.

From Brian Doherty's report:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/16/gary-johnson-campaign-responds-to-jess-b

[ShaneEnochs]

I'm not voting for Johnson but the above statement made me cringe. How pissed would we get when people said "I'm not voting for Paul he doesn't have a chance?" same applies here. Not voting for someone because they don't have a chance is the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It's not a fucking sporting event. It's our way of life.

Plus freaking rep. People here have such short memories. It's amazing.

[stu2002]

Plus freaking rep. People here have such short memories. It's amazing.

Exactly

[brooks009]

I will vote for Gary because he is the best candidate on the ballot in Texas.

[Icymudpuppy]

To all those writing in Ron. Did you write in Ron after he endorsed Chuck Baldwin in 2008, Constitution party? I voted for Chuck.

Now that Ron has pretty much officially retired from campaigning, I expect a third party endorsement from him any day now. PLEASE VOTE FOR RON's ENDORSEMENT!!! A WRITE IN IS WORTHLESS!!!

[stu2002]

Can't find it now but not too long ago I saw a meme with a pic of Gary and the caption was "the revolution just whipped out its...." then Johnson's face. Pretty clever and I'd totally rock that on a tee for comedic value.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/418692_339136652846731_1563569742_n.jpg

[Revolution9]

Ron Paul Supporters for Gary Johnson 2012

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546703_339151399511923_621500993_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/ronpaulsupportersforgaryjohnson2012

This coattail riding is BS and hurts your cause. You look disingenuous at the minimum and think we are collective lemmings on the other hand. Can't the LP do anything without riding RP's coattails?? Again..this is total BS agitprop.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/552071_339257496167980_995512544_n.jpg

More coattail riding. Do something on your own worthy of support and you will find it. Throwing RP's name up there to pull votes..undeservedly I might add..and attributing misquotes to him will raise the ire of may who seek truth. This is pure Madison avenue BS demographics hunting. The people who thought of this don't have a clue.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

Right--have we learned nothing in 5 years????

Yeah.. We learned the LP will not stop badgering us.

Rev9

[king_nothing_]

More coattail riding. Do something on your own worthy of support and you will find it. Throwing RP's name up there to pull votes..undeservedly I might add..and attributing misquotes to him will raise the ire of may who seek truth. This is pure Madison avenue BS demographics hunting. The people who thought of this don't have a clue.

Rev9
How are either of those misquotes?

[stu2002]

More coattail riding. Do something on your own worthy of support and you will find it.
Rev9

True--if the LP follows RP to closely it will end up where he did yesterday

[PierzStyx]

A repost of my own from another thread. Directly applicable and didn't feel like re-typing.


"Some quotes that explain in words better than mine why I will not vote for anyone but Ron Paul.

"We engage in the election the same as in any other principle: you are to vote for good men, and if you do not do this it is a sin: to vote for wicked men, it would be sin. Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyranny; curse it. Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution. Don’t fear man or devil; electioneer with all people, male and female, and exhort them to do the thing that is right. We want a President of the U.S., not a party President, but a President of the whole people; for a party President disfranchises the opposite party. Have a President who will maintain every man in his rights.” (Hyrum Smith, Source: History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.15, p.323)

"I will tell you whom to vote for: we will vote for the man who will sustain the principles of civil and religious liberty, the man who knows the most and who has the best heart and brain for a statesman; and we do not care a farthing whether he is a Whig, a Democrat, a Barnburner, a Republican, a New Light or anything else." ( Brigham Young, "Discourses of Brigham Young" pg. 358)


You see supporting Ron Paul was never a matter of beating Obama. It has always been about voting for the candidate who was right. Johnson is not as bad as either Obama or Romney. But that is not a reason for me to support him. I can understand why others would vote for him. And I support you in that. In any other year I might vote for him. But in a year where I have a chance to vote for someone like Ron Paul, even if it is in a uncounted write in, I cannot do anything less. This year I don't have to compromise my beliefs to choose a politician to support. I can vote for Ron Paul. And I will. "

[PierzStyx]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/418692_339136652846731_1563569742_n.jpg

Yeah he always did seem like a total dick.

[PierzStyx]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/552071_339257496167980_995512544_n.jpg


Yes you can copy and paste a picture. How about a factual reference?

[king_nothing_]

You see supporting Ron Paul was never a matter of beating Obama. It has always been about voting for the candidate who was right. Johnson is not as bad as either Obama or Romney. But that is not a reason for me to support him. I can understand why others would vote for him. And I support you in that. In any other year I might vote for him. But in a year where I have a chance to vote for someone like Ron Paul, even if it is in a uncounted write in, I cannot do anything less. This year I don't have to compromise my beliefs to choose a politician to support. I can vote for Ron Paul. And I will. "
That's the thing, though. What purpose does a vote serve that isn't counted? Yeah, I suppose you technically "have a chance" to vote for him in the general election, in the same way you have a chance to vote for Tom Woods, Andrew Napolitano, yourself, or me in every election. None of those people are candidates in the general election though, nor are they filing declarations of intent to be write-in candidates. If you feel so strongly about voting for nobody other than Ron Paul, which I completely respect, you ought to just save yourself the time and not cast a ballot, because that has the exact same effect. The only way there could exist a difference between not voting and writing in someone who is not a declared candidate is if you're not being honest with yourself about the total lack of significance of the latter action, in which case it may make you feel good. I would advise against making decisions from such a premise, though.

Cherish the fact that you voted for him in the primary. I know I will. At some point, though, you have to let this go. If you take your reasoning to its logical conclusion, you may as well write-in Ron Paul every four years for the rest of your life, because he is unfortunately no more of a general election candidate this year than he will be in, say, 2040.

[sailingaway]

To all those writing in Ron. Did you write in Ron after he endorsed Chuck Baldwin in 2008, Constitution party? I voted for Chuck.

Now that Ron has pretty much officially retired from campaigning, I expect a third party endorsement from him any day now. PLEASE VOTE FOR RON's ENDORSEMENT!!! A WRITE IN IS WORTHLESS!!!
If you feel that way, you shouldn't do it. But I would rather vote for the guy I actually want than for any of the people I don't want for president. And I WILL vote, just not (if they don't count it) for president. So the difference between the number of people who vote, and those who vote for president will be a 'none of the above' no confidence vote. That is much better shows how I feel than a vote for a candidate I don't want.

[sailingaway]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/552071_339257496167980_995512544_n.jpg

that doesn't accurately quote Ron.

He was asked, BEFORE deciding to run, IF he didn't run, would he endorse Johnson. He thought and said, 'well, I don't know who else I would endorse'.....as in, he might endorse no one, or someone who came in later. Not like he was so sold on Johnson he 'couldn't imagine endorsing anyone else!' which he didn't say. I was monitoring him VERY closely for signs he might run at the time.

I don't think he is going to endorse.

[sailingaway]

That's the thing, though. What purpose does a vote serve that isn't counted? Yeah, I suppose you technically "have a chance" to vote for him in the general election, in the same way you have a chance to vote for Tom Woods, Andrew Napolitano, yourself, or me in every election. None of those people are candidates in the general election though, nor are they filing declarations of intent to be write-in candidates. If you feel so strongly about voting for nobody other than Ron Paul, which I completely respect, you ought to just save yourself the time and not cast a ballot, because that has the exact same effect. The only way there could exist a difference between not voting and writing in someone who is not a declared candidate is if you're not being honest with yourself about the total lack of significance of the latter action, in which case it may make you feel good. I would advise against making decisions from such a premise, though.

Cherish the fact that you voted for him in the primary. I know I will. At some point, though, you have to let this go. If you take your reasoning to its logical conclusion, you may as well write-in Ron Paul every four years for the rest of your life, because he is unfortunately no more of a general election candidate this year than he will be in, say, 2040.

I may well do just that until I find another candidate I actually WANT. There is a tally of how many vote and there is a tally of how many vote for named candidates. The difference is a no confidence vote. That is how I see it. And I would love to see that difference be a LARGE number.

And not casting a ballot is the WRONG thing to do from that stand point, because they spin that as contentment or apathy, not as rejection of those on the ballot. You have to vote for OTHER offices, to show rejection.

[king_nothing_]

Not like he was so sold on Johnson he 'couldn't imagine endorsing anyone else!' which he didn't say.
http://www.tnr.com/article/magazine/78543/Gary-johnson-2012-republican-candidate-new-mexico?passthru=MWFjY2RkZDlmYWRlY2U5YmIyYTk1N2NhZD czMzA2ZDc
http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/04/ron-paul-on-gary-johnson-i-can

Also, I don't see why it would make any difference whatsoever that he said that before he decided to run. Did making a run himself, or a passage of less than two years time, cause some significant change in his view of Gary Johnson? I would think not. If he indeed made that statement then, I would bet it still holds true now.

And no, it obviously doesn't mean he will necessarily endorse him. It just means he'll either endorse him or no one.

[UpperDecker]

Ok, I just have one question for some of the Johnson haters that I don't understand. What do you all want? I mean, I see people bitching that the GOP is dismissing you, and then you get pissy when the Libertarian ads are geared towards you. And why wouldn't Johnson aim for a group like us? A large, strong group of people that have been disenfranchised by the two party system would be great for him.

[stu2002]

Ok, I just have one question for some of the Johnson haters that I don't understand. What do you all want? I mean, I see people bitching that the GOP is dismissing you, and then you get pissy when the Libertarian ads are geared towards you. And why wouldn't Johnson aim for a group like us? A large, strong group of people that have been disenfranchised by the two party system would be great for him.

Good question.

Imma gonna write Ron Paul in even if the vote is rejected .

[The Dude]

Gary Johnson has 0 chance. Even if everyone in the country voted for him, Obama would still win. The voting machines are rigged. Whoever "they" have chosen will win. We silly voters decide nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso

Seriously? You're pulling the "he has no chance" card on a RON PAUL forum? Vote your principles, regardless of the chances. Ron Paul won't be on the ballot, write in votes are meaningless, vote for someone who is actually running for President and represents this movement - that's Johnson.

[green73]

zzz

[idiom]

How some Libertarians view GJ:

http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210803


There are many pundits who have opined that Gary Johnson is an important force in this election, that he offers real choice, and more importantly, that Ron Paul supporters should jump ship to the Libertarian party and vote for The Governor.

... Attention alleged Libertarians: Governor Johnson expanded New Mexico's public debt just as quickly during his adminsitration as President Obama has during his and he did so during a monstrous economic boom rather than a time of recession. He has no record to run on when it comes to fiscal restraint; Johnson did just as much damage to New Mexico's debt profile on a percentage basis as President Obama has nationally!

http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210827


The FEC says (through 7/31) that Gary Johnson's campaign has taken in $1.48 million in contributions of various sorts, and has spent $1.46 million.

But.... the campaign has, as of the last report, $14,000 on hand and debts of $296,000.

In other words he's about 50% more in the hole than he was when he first started soliciting Libertarians, he is today asking for one million dollars in donations (after first asking for $100k, then $250k, and now one million), and on a debt-to-equity basis he has roughly $20 in debt for every $1 in cash in his account.

I guess this is part of Gary Johnson's definition of "fiscal responsibility"... right Gary?

Gary?

<<crickets>>

How hard can it possibly be to walk the talk?

[CaptainAmerica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrU6hTWyj6s&feature=g-upl

Gary Johnson is an asshole who supports intervention in Uganda.

Welcome to the Ron Paul Forums

[MelissaWV]

I'm not voting for Johnson but the above statement made me cringe. How pissed would we get when people said "I'm not voting for Paul he doesn't have a chance?" same applies here. Not voting for someone because they don't have a chance is the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It's not a fucking sporting event. It's our way of life.

Yet much of the rest of the thread is devoted to telling us Johnson is the lesser evil, and why not vote for him since he's on the ballot, even if we really don't like him.


This coattail riding is BS and hurts your cause. You look disingenuous at the minimum and think we are collective lemmings on the other hand. Can't the LP do anything without riding RP's coattails?? Again..this is total BS agitprop.

Rev9

One of the few times I have ever wholeheartedly agreed with Rev9. I would add that it also looks like Gary was probably doing a little happy dance in his pajamas when he realized Ron wouldn't even get to speak at the RNC. "Oh NOW I have them! Oh happy day!"


Ok, I just have one question for some of the Johnson haters that I don't understand. What do you all want? I mean, I see people bitching that the GOP is dismissing you, and then you get pissy when the Libertarian ads are geared towards you. And why wouldn't Johnson aim for a group like us? A large, strong group of people that have been disenfranchised by the two party system would be great for him.

I want to vote my conscience instead of a strategic vote. I simply cannot do the "vote for Obama so the world crashes and we kill the system or get Rand in 2016!" strategy, because it would mean actually actively voting for Obama and endorsing a second term. It would mean my little tiny pinpoint would get thrown into those demographics, into a landslide victory, etc.. I can't. I can't vote for Romney for the same reasons. I have withdrawn from the national race because it is not a race I can influence anymore. I have been concentrating on the more local candidates as best as I can. I can't sit around being pleased that someone who is SO CLOSE on some of the big broad ideas, can somehow manage to miss the mark. I am not a Gary Johnson fan, therefore I am not a Gary Johnson voter.

Your post sounds like Romney's people. "C'mon! What do you people want?!? We let you onto the floor and we even put together a video and stuff! Why won't you be unified with us?!"

[Aratus]

rand is about to be a proof positive
as he addresses the grand old party

[ronpaulfollower999]

I plan on voting for Gary since I feel it will register my discontent with the 2 party system better. Even I'm not really a Gary fan, if Rand can endorse Romney, I can vote for Gary.

Write in Ron Paul, vote for Gary Johnson, but please don't vote for Romney or Obama.

[erowe1]

The LP's idea of "flooded with new members" is like 10 people.

[Indy Vidual]

...
Oh, and Ron Paul hasn't endorsed anything about Johnson.

Ron Paul is a life-long member of the LP (according to some activists), and it is a fact that he previously endorsed their platform.
// Details matter, please pay attention. :p



I'm not voting for Johnson but the above statement made me cringe. How pissed would we get when people said "I'm not voting for Paul he doesn't have a chance?" same applies here. Not voting for someone because they don't have a chance is the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It's not a fucking sporting event. It's our way of life.

+1776

[PierzStyx]

I plan on voting for Gary since I feel it will register my discontent with the 2 party system better. Even I'm not really a Gary fan, if Rand can endorse Romney, I can vote for Gary.

Write in Ron Paul, vote for Gary Johnson, but please don't vote for Romney or Obama.


+rep

[PierzStyx]

Ron Paul is a life-long member of the LP (according to some activists), and it is a fact that he previously endorsed their platform.
// Details matter, please pay attention. :p


Details do matter. Watch this interview from 8/28. At 2:15 the Doctor is asked directly if he could see himself voting for GJ and Ron says, "There are possibilities for everything, but I haven't made up my mind. Put me down as 'Undecided." While it isn't an absolute denial of supporting Johnson, it is far from even a meek endorsement of him, much less the ringing endorsement most LP'ers here seem to believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qydlRhcZ8HM

Also, look back at teh one RNC debate Johnson was in. Paul said he couldn't see himself choosing anyone on stage, including Johnson, because they all had stances he couldn't support, that they would have to change.

[ronpaulhawaii]

You know that guy that sells funeral plots that calls as soon as a family member goes terminal, even if you have every reason to believe they will live for many more years?

The OP... is that guy.

a LMAO + rep


After having Barr on the ticket last time this is a bit difficult to take seriously.

Damn straight

NOBP

[UpperDecker]

I want to vote my conscience instead of a strategic vote. I simply cannot do the "vote for Obama so the world crashes and we kill the system or get Rand in 2016!" strategy, because it would mean actually actively voting for Obama and endorsing a second term. It would mean my little tiny pinpoint would get thrown into those demographics, into a landslide victory, etc.. I can't. I can't vote for Romney for the same reasons. I have withdrawn from the national race because it is not a race I can influence anymore. I have been concentrating on the more local candidates as best as I can. I can't sit around being pleased that someone who is SO CLOSE on some of the big broad ideas, can somehow manage to miss the mark. I am not a Gary Johnson fan, therefore I am not a Gary Johnson voter.

Your post sounds like Romney's people. "C'mon! What do you people want?!? We let you onto the floor and we even put together a video and stuff! Why won't you be unified with us?!"

Absolutely not the way I intended to come off haha. I didn't mean to come off as a Johnson shill, though he is my personal choice now that Paul is out. What I meant was people cry when the Ron Paul supporters are ignored, and then get mad when somebody tries to bring them in the fold. And I agree with your first paragraph, if only everybody felt this way. I wish that the people of this country would make an informed decision based on their own feelings, but that will never happen.

[stu2002]

Jay Kramer, a Mitt Romney campaign supporter from Washington, D.C., filed a challenge on Friday to keep Libertarian candidate for President, Gov. Gary Johnson, from appearing on the Iowa ballot in November. The Romney campaign hired the Des Moines-based Nyemaster Goode PC for the challenge, which will be heard by Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz on Monday at 3 p.m.

"This is clearly a setup," said the Johnson campaign's attorney, Alicia Dearn. "The Libertarian Party had 2,000 petition signatures and should have been on the ballot without challenge, as they have always done in the past. But Republican Iowa Secretary of State Schultz — in violation of longstanding Iowa law — rejected the petition and required the Johnson campaign to caucus at the state fair. There, the Romney campaign surveilled the Johnson campaign's activities for the sole purpose of bringing this eleventh-hour challenge," Dearn said.

http://www.examiner.com/article/republicans-work-to-remove-gary-johnson-from-iowa-ballot

[stu2002]

Gary Johnson: Totally welcomed. I believe I’m the first Libertarian nominee in their 40 year history that was nominated on the first ballot. So I got 70 percent of the vote on the first ballot, and 30percent were not alienated in any way whatsoever. It was absolutely, really enthusiastic and remains that way. The Libertarian party, what I’m being told is, there’s never been as much excitement. And this is my observation, but this is what I’m also being told.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/29/5-question-for-libertarian-presidential-candidate-gary-johnson-on-being-screwed-over-by-the-gop/