Citizen Forced To Undergo Government-Administered Psychiatric Evaluation For No Reason

[better-dead-than-fed]

Yesterday a court ordered ... to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. The order is unsupported by any "factual allegations" (quoting Richmond Times-Dispatch, "UPDATE: Detained Marine veteran leaves VA hospital" (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/aug/23/23/judge-says-he-will-order-release-marine-veteran-he-ar-2151347/)). The judge in this case has only rambled mysteriously:


Ten years ago... Something happened, and there's no shame in the fact that something happened. Things happen to people all the time.... You have to learn to deal with it. People have to deal with stuff all the time. Sometimes you deal with stuff by taking [psychiatric] medication. It makes things better....

(from "McVeigh Was Right" (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/edit))

What is the judge talking about? What is psychiatric medication supposed to "make better" in this case? What "stuff" is it supposed to help him "deal with"? What supposedly happened ten years ago?

In another thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386688-It-s-Official-Facebook-Is-the-Department-of-PreCrime.-Marine-vet-arrested-for-posts.&p=4590294#post4590294)it was noted:


The bottom line is that Brandon [Raub] didn't actually DO anything.

Neither did this defendant.

ETA: The evaluation was done, and the evaluator found no psychiatric problems. It remains unclear why the judge took the action he did; apparently the judge had no legitimate reason.

[pcosmar]

Can you expound on the Case? Other than the Google Docs.

What happened when,, what was alleged,,etc. ??
You have been posting on this subject exclusively,,and I am curious.

Who is Donald Biard MacGuineas? is he the author, http://books.google.com/books/about/Vision_of_Blackness_the_Short_Stories_of.html?id=x 8qitwAACAAJ or just someone with the same name?

Is he related to Maya MacGuineas ?
Can you expound? Is he you?

[Lucille]

Yes, please. Lay it out already. I'm tired of the riddle.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Can you expound on the Case? Other than the Google Docs.

What happened when,, what was alleged,,etc. ??
You have been posting on this subject exclusively,,and I am curious.

Who is Donald Biard MacGuineas? is he the author, http://books.google.com/books/about/Vision_of_Blackness_the_Short_Stories_of.html?id=x 8qitwAACAAJ or just someone with the same name?

Is he related to Maya MacGuineas ?
Can you expound? Is he you?

The MacGuineas I've mentioned (he's not me) is Donald Biard MacGuineas III (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l55UdYLSGzAolh3Yggi55S8_Gj6M_qtqpOuIPgJxPN0/edit). His case is of no personal interest to me, except as a well-documented example of dangerous and illegal U.S government actions. His sister is Maya MacGuineas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_MacGuineas), and his grandfather is the author you cite above. The PACER (http://www.pacer.gov/)Case Locator lists the grandfather as a defendant in the civil case Barrett v. Hoffman, et al (nysdce, 1:1976-cv-00381, filed 01/22/1976), and in that cases's complaint, it is


charged that defendants, officials of the Department of the Army and the Department of Justice, and physicians at the [New York State] Institute, conspired together to conduct the experimental drug program upon human subjects and to "cover-up" the existence of such program.

(quoting Barrett v. United States, 622 F. Supp. 574 - Dist. Court, SD New York 1985 (http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1393075673805508043&q=622+F.+Supp.+574&hl=en&as_sdt=2,3), at 580)

But that's the grandfather, and it's the grandson (MacGuineas III) who's the subject of this thread. MacGuineas III is the defendant in a criminal case; the docket report is here (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5ZYXb_HdIQhVy14QXdrWkM4dWM), and MacGuineas's III's notes are here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/edit). A lot's been alleged, so I don't know how to expound in answer your general question about that, but I will try to answer any more specific questions you have.

The point I'm trying to make in this thread is that we have two facts:

(1) MacGuineas III has been ordered to undergo a psyche eval at the hands of the government, and
(2) there appears to be no public record of facts justifying the order;

and that combination of circumstances alone is alarming. Not sure why the Facebook-Revolution guy draws more attention on this forum? The U.S. government held MacGuineas for eight months in 2008 with no legal basis, according to the records I've cited.

[better-dead-than-fed]

... I'm tired of the riddle.

How is it a riddle any more than this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386688-It-s-Official-Facebook-Is-the-Department-of-PreCrime.-Marine-vet-arrested-for-posts.&p=4590294#post4590294?

[tttppp]

Yesterday a court ordered Donald Biard MacGuineas to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. The order is unsupported by any "factual allegations" (quoting Richmond Times-Dispatch, "UPDATE: Detained Marine veteran leaves VA hospital" (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/aug/23/23/judge-says-he-will-order-release-marine-veteran-he-ar-2151347/)). The judge in MacGuineas's case has only rambled mysteriously:



(from "McVeigh Was Right" (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/edit))

What is the judge talking about? What is psychiatric medication supposed to "make better" in MacGuineas's case? What "stuff" is it supposed to help him "deal with"? What supposedly happened ten years ago?

In another thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386688-It-s-Official-Facebook-Is-the-Department-of-PreCrime.-Marine-vet-arrested-for-posts.&p=4590294#post4590294)it was noted:



Neither did MacGuineas.

What else is new? This happens all the time. People undergoing psychiatric evaluation for no reason, people committed for no reason.

[pcosmar]

What else is new? This happens all the time. People undergoing psychiatric evaluation for no reason, people committed for no reason.
Yes it does sadly, And it should not.
The reason that Brandon Raub got attention was that Video record was immediately available on the Web,, and the direct Reference to Facebook.
Social Media took it from there.

There are likely hundreds of such cases.
There was never a full accounting of Crimes under the MK-Ultra Umbrella,, though the case you sited seems to be one of those paid off.

And yes,, the entire legal system in this country is broken and corrupt,, from top to bottom.
Are you trying to get a broken system to fix itself?

[Mundane]

The MacGuineas I've mentioned (he's not me) is Donald Biard MacGuineas III (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l55UdYLSGzAolh3Yggi55S8_Gj6M_qtqpOuIPgJxPN0/edit). His case is of no personal interest to me, except as a well-documented example of dangerous and illegal U.S government actions. His sister is Maya MacGuineas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_MacGuineas), and his grandfather is the author you cite above. The PACER (http://www.pacer.gov/)Case Locator lists the grandfather as a defendant in the civil case Barrett v. Hoffman, et al (nysdce, 1:1976-cv-00381, filed 01/22/1976), and in that cases's complaint, it is



(quoting Barrett v. United States, 622 F. Supp. 574 - Dist. Court, SD New York 1985 (http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1393075673805508043&q=622+F.+Supp.+574&hl=en&as_sdt=2,3), at 580)

But that's the grandfather, and it's the grandson (MacGuineas III) who's the subject of this thread. MacGuineas III is the defendant in a criminal case; the docket report is here (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5ZYXb_HdIQhVy14QXdrWkM4dWM), and MacGuineas's III's notes are here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/edit). A lot's been alleged, so I don't know how to expound in answer your general question about that, but I will try to answer any more specific questions you have.

The point I'm trying to make in this thread is that we have two facts:

(1) MacGuineas III has been ordered to undergo a psyche eval at the hands of the government, and
(2) there appears to be no public record of facts justifying the order;

and that combination of circumstances alone is alarming. Not sure why the Facebook-Revolution guy draws more attention on this forum? The U.S. government held MacGuineas for eight months in 2008 with no legal basis, according to the records I've cited.

Experiments like that were commonplace back then. I personally know 2 victims, one being my uncle who eventually committed suicide and the other was a woman whom I worked with. She eventually sued the government for 100,000 and they admitted culpability. Both were in government funded MKULTRA type programs. But you are right, we don't hear anything about these cases anymore and I think a lot people are unaware it even happened.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Publicity and disclosure would seem to be the safeguard that's missing. By that, I mean (1) require the government to videotape all the evaluations it administers, and (2) require the government to disclose all medical records to a defendant.


The U.S. Supreme Court has observed “justice may not be done in a corner nor in any covert manner”; and it has recognized: "[T]he public-trial guarantee [was] created for the benefit of the defendant," and "the rights and liberties of people accused of crime [cannot] be safely entrusted to secret inquisitorial processes."

Compare with Judge Larry Alan Burns’s statement in USA v Jared Loughner: "BECAUSE THE REPORTS AND THE VIDEOTAPES CONTAIN MATERIAL THAT IS GENERALLY PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, SUBJECT TO PRIVACY CONCERNS THAT WE ALL HAVE AS AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH RESPECT TO OUR MEDICAL RECORDS, THUS, IN THEIR PRESENT UNREDACTED FORM, THEY'RE PROTECTED FROM PUBLIC DISCLOSURE BY LAW. THE COURT HAS ORDERED THAT THEY'RE NOT TO BE PUBLICLY FILED IN THEIR UNREDACTED FORM IN THE CASE DOCKET IN THIS CASE."

(Who is Burns to speak for “all American citizens”?)

In order to create a full and reliable record, all government-ordered mental-health examinations should be videotaped, and these results, along with all other medical records, should be provided to defendants. Agencies claiming they are unable to implement these safeguards should be prohibited from conducting such examinations.

(from "Government-Paid Psychiatrists and Psychologists" (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C5HH1FIvvbmht2OdOIIu1qWif3VZFhk4Z5XMztzZy-c/edit))

[Barrex]

The MacGuineas I've mentioned (he's not me) is Donald Biard MacGuineas III (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l55UdYLSGzAolh3Yggi55S8_Gj6M_qtqpOuIPgJxPN0/edit)....

Is your name Donald Biard MacGuineas?

According to this it is:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/pub (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/pub)

Donald Biard MacGuineas

bmacguineas[at]gmail.com

“Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. ... If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; ... it invites anarchy.”[1] (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/pub#ftnt1)

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no right to assistance from an ethical attorney;
no pretense of a “public trial”; rather my testimony has been concealed from the public, for no legitimate reason. See Motion to Unseal Documents (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5ZYXb_HdIQhaFJ4aEJKMW5JZDA) and my email with attorney Vicki Brambl (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5ZYXb_HdIQhZFdwQmVCZktxQTg) (Brambl has failed to reply);
no legal basis for my imprisonment from 2008-Jan-13 through 2008-Dec-10;
no voluntary guilty-plea, and no trial;


Timothy McVeigh wrote:[2] (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZlNtxnJPG2qjHjYoqnNclE4747P747hd0x79eNz5-SE/pub#ftnt2)

I waited two years … for non-violent “checks and balances” built into our system to correct the abuse of power we were seeing in federal actions against citizens. The Executive; Legislative; and Judicial branches not only concluded that the government did nothing wrong … , they actually gave awards and bonus pay to those agents involved … .


Other “checks and balances” likewise proved futile: media awareness and outcry (the major media failed in its role as overseer of government ally [sic]); protest marches; letter campaigns; even small-budget video production; etc. --- all failed to correct the abuse.

Could you please summarize it all? All diagnosis made by more than few doctors about paranoia and other mental conditions, threatening letters, alcohol problem, you confession, changing 6-7 lawyers during trial, gun confiscation... ALL OF IT. Not just small pieces of it. Like Lucille said it: Yes, please. Lay it out already. I'm tired of the riddle.

P.s.
If you want I will delete this post but you must be aware that you made all those information available.

[better-dead-than-fed]

The riddle being that I haven't posted a complete history of the universe? Want info, then ask a specific question. Ask for everything at once, and get nothing.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Is your name Donald Biard MacGuineas?

Yes. I wasn't at liberty to admit that earlier, since the court had threatened to imprison me if I discussed my case with "the media" (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdMk5q08jnVT6rwic1tBJL960Jpf1fCPOaxo50NET_o/pub), or with any operator of any blog.


If you want I will delete this post but you must be aware that you made all those information available.

I appreciate that, but I don't mind. Never diagnosed with any disorder until DOJ took me into custody, then their doctors diagnosed me with everything in the book, not that there was any evidence to support the diagnoses; but you didn't ask about evidence. My confession was extorted, coming after I was denied a trial for 18 months. Gun confiscation goes along with being convicted of a felony. "Switching" lawyers was because they quit. I fired only one. They quit because I noticed their misconduct (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7wcL3vj-_033bOilZvCkGJf0Gil37WHe-8tjNlCYDA/pub). Lawyers prefer ignorant defendants.

If you're tired of me, isn't their some way to ignore me? Edited to add: to ignore me, click this link -> http://www.ronpaulforums.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=43204