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tangent4ronpaul
08-19-2012, 01:21 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/warrantless-gps-phone-tracking/

Without a warrant...

A federal appeals court on Wednesday said the authorities do not need a probable-cause warrant to track a suspect’s every move via GPS signals from a suspect’s mobile phone.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, ruling 2-1, upheld a 20-year term for a drug courier nabbed with 1,100 pounds of marijuana in a motorhome camper the authorities tracked via his mobile phone pinging cell towers from Arizona to a Texas truck stop.

The decision, a big boost for the government’s surveillance powers, comes as prosecutors are shifting their focus to warrantless cell-tower location tracking of suspects in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling in January sharply limiting the use of GPS vehicle trackers. The Supreme Court found law enforcement should acquire probable-cause warrants from judges to affix GPS devices to vehicles and monitor their every move.

The court of appeals ruling comes a month after a congressional inquiry found that law enforcement made 1.3 million requests for cellphone data last year alone while seeking out subscriber information like text messages, location data and calling records.

Judge John M. Rogers wrote for the majority: (.pdf)

If a tool used to transport contraband gives off a signal that can be tracked for location, certainly the police can track the signal. The law cannot be that a criminal is entitled to rely on the expected untrackability of his tools. Otherwise, dogs could not be used to track a fugitive if the fugitive did not know that the dog hounds had his scent. A getaway car could not be identified and followed based on the license plate number if the driver reasonably thought he had gotten away unseen. The recent nature of cell phone location technology does not change this. If it did, then technology would help criminals but not the police.

The appeals court distinguished this case from a GPS case decided by the Supreme Court. The high court ruled that the physical act of installing a GPS device on a target’s vehicle amounted to a search, which usually necessitates a probable cause warrant under the Fourth Amendment.

“Here, the monitoring of the location of the contraband-carrying vehicle as it crossed the country is no more of a comprehensively invasive search than if instead the car was identified in Arizona and then tracked visually and the search handed off from one local authority to another as the vehicles progressed. That the officers were able to use less expensive and more efficient means to track the vehicles is only to their credit,” Rogers wrote.

Another appeals court, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is also mulling a similar issue, one involving historical cell-site data. And the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2010 that warrants were required to get cell-site location data. Split rulings generally leads the Supreme Court to step in and clear the conflicts.

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DamianTV
08-19-2012, 07:04 PM
Wow. Just wow. This is truly stuff that even George Orwell could not have imagined. This isnt just 1984, this is 1985, the aftermath of 1984.

ghengis86
08-19-2012, 07:23 PM
Just turn your phone off.
No?
Then take the battery out.
No?
Leave the phone at home.
Your car has OnStar?

Better stay home or learn to love Big Sis.

DamianTV
08-20-2012, 02:26 AM
The Free Man would not say anything to the effect of "just give up". The Free Man would say that it is his responsibility to learn how to disable and defeat the tracking technology himself instead of relying on someone else to fight his battles for him.

tsai3904
07-31-2013, 10:20 AM
Another appeals court, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is also mulling a similar issue, one involving historical cell-site data.

Original post was a year ago but the 5th Circuit Court just ruled on July 30, 2013, that government authorities can extract historical location data directly from telecommunications carriers without a search warrant.

NY Times story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/technology/warrantless-cellphone-tracking-is-upheld.html

ZENemy
07-31-2013, 10:22 AM
So how the HELL is it not time for an organized TAX STRIKE YET? The NSA spying and all of this? The government, in the open does the opposite of everything it says it stands for, we need to stand up or we are going to get stepped on.

Good lord this shit is NEVER gonna stop.

How about we all at least get together, throw up some website with DEMANDS and if they are not met we come up with some damn plan to either cut off this beast or???

1. Stop NSA spying imediatly
2. Stop all funding to NSA spy center

And so on? These are things that CAN and NEED to be done.

If you hate that idea FINE but isn't it WAY past due time where we all go into a room together and figure out what our moves should be? This government will not fix it self and certainly wont stop any of this shit.

We are all just as guilty at fiddling while Rome burns.

DamianTV
07-31-2013, 02:47 PM
So how the HELL is it not time for an organized TAX STRIKE YET?

...

There are two ways that Govts can generate revenue from themselves. Either by Taxes, or by Printing Money. Printing Money is a very popular alternative because they can generate revenue for them to spend without raising direct taxes. Printing Money (Inflation) is preferred by them because most people only keep an eye on the Quantity of their Money. Inflation is called an Invisible Tax because the Quantity of their Money is not affected. Printing Money is a Tax on the VALUE of the Money, while leaving the Quantity in an individuals hands untouched. Printing Money imposes this Invisible Tax on ALL MONEY and not just those that pay taxes.

I hate to say it, but those in power are NEVER going to do anything to stop the surveillance of the NSA or what ever organization they create to replace the NSA. The only thing that will happen is that they MIGHT have a Dog and Pony Show that makes people THINK that the Govt is respecting their privacy. Since the Govt can keep secrets, they will just keep on doing it while making sure you dont know they are doing it. This is why Snowden and Manning are Heroes.

ZENemy
07-31-2013, 02:51 PM
There are two ways that Govts can generate revenue from themselves. Either by Taxes, or by Printing Money. Printing Money is a very popular alternative because they can generate revenue for them to spend without raising direct taxes. Printing Money (Inflation) is preferred by them because most people only keep an eye on the Quantity of their Money. Inflation is called an Invisible Tax because the Quantity of their Money is not affected. Printing Money is a Tax on the VALUE of the Money, while leaving the Quantity in an individuals hands untouched. Printing Money imposes this Invisible Tax on ALL MONEY and not just those that pay taxes.

I hate to say it, but those in power are NEVER going to do anything to stop the surveillance of the NSA or what ever organization they create to replace the NSA. The only thing that will happen is that they MIGHT have a Dog and Pony Show that makes people THINK that the Govt is respecting their privacy. Since the Govt can keep secrets, they will just keep on doing it while making sure you dont know they are doing it. This is why Snowden and Manning are Heroes.

Its time to divest, in politics and corporations, including the UNITES STATES CORP. You are right, NONE of this will stop by their action, we have to stop them, its either all out violence or non compliance in mass. There are no other choices.

DamianTV
07-31-2013, 02:54 PM
Its time to divest, in politics and corporations, including the UNITES STATES CORP. You are right, NONE of this will stop by their action, we have to stop them, its either all out violence or non compliance in mass. There are no other choices.

They'll catch on and tell us that THEY are complying with our demands while continuing to stab us in the back. The majority of people will go back to sleep, even if their unrestricted surveillance continues. Its one of the advantages of them having total surveillance on us.

ZENemy
07-31-2013, 02:57 PM
They'll catch on and tell us that THEY are complying with our demands while continuing to stab us in the back. The majority of people will go back to sleep, even if their unrestricted surveillance continues. Its one of the advantages of them having total surveillance on us.

THEY get their power from US. Think about it, if you agreed with me instead of telling me why it wont happen there would be two people advocating it, and so on. We need to skip the details and the "what will happens" and accept the consequences.

Im not even claiming my idea is the best, I'm saying its time to start talking about ideas and not about what they are going to "keep doing" to us.

I just don't get it. We are basically being beat, killed, robbed and stabbed by the people we PAY to protect us, and we are suppose to tread lightly? Sorry its way past time to blow the lid off and stop paying these peoples salaries.

In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

DamianTV
07-31-2013, 03:14 PM
I do agree with you. Just pointing out obstacles that we will need to overcome. We can advocate only one solution, but we need contingency plans. They know all about contingencies. They are good at violence. And they know how to combat us on many different levels at the same time. They know how to use direct violence against us, but they also know how to use propoganda against us as well. Each method they use isnt going to take us all out at once (short of mass murder), but they can take out enough of us that it can hinder our progress. Laws and Taxes enable them to some of us off by picking us off one by one. Propoganda enables them to take some of us out by lulling back into a false sense of "everything is ok".

Something does need to be done, but we need to be prepared for what other tactics they have up their sleeves.