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tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 08:27 PM
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Pussy Riot is a radical Russian punk band, 3 of who's members were arrested after performing a 40 second anti-Putin “punk prayer”, flash mob style, in Moscow's Church of Christ the Savior on February 21st. At issue is Putin's return to presidential office along with repression of free speech, laws specifically targeting demonstrators and a crackdown (censoring) of Internet communication. Basically the same BS we here in the USA and most of the world are going through. They have been charged with hooliganism for exercising free speech and are expected to be found guilty tomorrow and sentenced to 3 to 7 years in a labor camp.

The reason for the protest in the church is because roughly 70% of the Russian population belongs to the Russian Orthodox Church and the church is in bed with the government, declaring that Putin was sent by God. It was in no way an attack on religion.

They are being sentenced tomorrow and 48 protests are scheduled all over the world to coincide with that sentencing. The verdict will start to be read at 3pm Moscow time (1100 GMT).

You can friend them on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pussy-Riot/258101530907327

There legal defense fund has so far raised $20,000 but they need more. You can donate and find an international list of protests here:
http://freepussyriot.org/

For anyone interested in attending a protest here in the US (bring a balaclava – preferably a colorful one) here is a list of organizing pages on Facebook:
Chicago : http://www.facebook.com/events/408042082576296/
New York City: https://www.facebook.com/events/262241200554708/ http://www.facebook.com/events/336406896449171/
San Francisco: http://www.facebook.com/events/424888970880304/ https://www.facebook.com/events/509970192361811/
WASHINGTON DC; https://www.facebook.com/events/418284021540525/?context=create&ref=bookmark

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaJ7GzPvJKw&feature=player_embedded

Further information:
ROCK N’ RIOT: Protests planned ahead of Pussy Riot verdict
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/rock-n-riot-protests-planned-pussy-riot-verdict-article-1.1138062#ixzz23lYRYLM8

Ahead of Pussy Riot Verdict, Supporters Ready Protests
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ahead-of-pussy-riot-verdict-supporters-ready-protests/466716.html#ixzz23lYbYQmH
The Moscow Times

$ 50,000 for Pussy Riot: Help Them Fight Persecution in Russia
http://www.causes.com/causes/787323-free-pussy-riot-now-pussy-riot/actions/1671820

Russia's Pussy Riot trio face verdict in trial condemned by US
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/russia-pussyriot-idUSL6E8JGDD920120816

FOX News
crickets...

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tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 08:29 PM
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http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2012/08/pussy-riot-defense-manifesto-in-english/?utm_source=Contextly&utm_medium=RelatedLinks&utm_campaign=Previous

Pussy Riot defense manifesto in English

*Not that I’m keen on busting into Orthodox churches to howl politicized punk lyrics. However, given that these chicks have a budget of zero and have spent five months in the slammer already, I’ll give Nadia here a few centimeters of screen real estate so she can complain.

http://freepussyriot.org/content/art-and-human-manifesto-nadia-tolokonikovoy

Art and the Human Manifesto of Nadia Tolokonikovoy

The punk band Pussy Riot, which I belong to, is a musical group that conducts unexpected performances in different urban spaces. Pussy Riot’s songs address topical political issues. The interests of the group members are: political activism, ecology, and the elimination of authoritarian tendencies in the Russian state system through the creation of the civil society. (((Not that this should irritate any authorities in Russia.)))

Since its origin in October 2011, the band played concerts in the subway, on the roof of a trolleybus, on the roof of the detention center for administrative detainees, (((at least they know where to find their demographic))) in clothing stores, at fashion shows, and on the Lobnoe Mesto on Red Square. We believe that the art should be accessible to everyone; therefore we perform in diverse public spaces. Pussy Riot never means to show any disrespect (((and being disingenuous is also the farthest thing from their collective minds))) to any viewers or witnesses of our punk concerts. This was the case on the roof of the trolleybus and on the Lobnoe Mesto, and this was the case at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

On 21 February 2012 Pussy Riot band performed its punk prayer “Hail Mary, Expel Putin” at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. In the early March 2012 three members of the group were imprisoned because of the music and political activism. The themes of our songs and performances are dictated by the present moment. We simply react to what is happening in our country, and our punk performances express the opinion of a sufficiently large number of people. In our song “Hail Mary, Expel Putin” we
reflected the reaction of many Russian citizens to the patriarch’s calls for vote for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin during the presidential election of 4 March 2012.

We, like many of our fellow citizens, wrestle against treachery, deceit, bribery, hypocrisy, greed, and lawlessness, peculiar to the current authorities and rulers. (((Where’s the T-shirt?))) This is why we were upset by this political
initiative of the patriarch and could not fail to express that. The performance at Cathedral of Christ the Savior was committed not on the grounds of religious enmity and hatred. Equally, we harbor no hatred towards Orthodox Christians. Orthodox Christianity worships the same as we do: mercy, forgiveness, justification, love, and freedom. We are not enemies of Christianity. We care about the opinion of Orthodox Christians. We want all of them to be on our side – on the side of anti-authoritarian civil
society activists. That is why we came to the Cathedral. (((They’re going on about this because they’re being charged with anti-religious hate-crime.)))

We came with what we have and can: with our musical performance. During this performance we intended to express our concern: the rector of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church – the patriarch – supports a politician who forcefully suppresses the civil society, which is dear to us.

I would like to emphasize the fact that, while at the Cathedral, we did not utter any insulting words towards the church, the Christians, and the God. The words we spoke and our entire punk performance aimed to express our disapproval of a specific political event: the patriarch’s support of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who took an authoritarian and antifeminist course. Our performance contained no aggression towards the audience, but only a desperate desire to change the political situation in
Russia for the better. Our emotions and expressiveness came from that desire. If our passion appeared offensive to any spectators, we are sorry for that. We had no intentions to offend anyone. We wish that those, who cannot understand us, would forgive us. Most of all, we want people to hold no grudges against us.

We very much wish that people would not see our denial of guilt under the Article 213 (Part 2) of the Russian Criminal Code as audacity, insolence, or our unwillingness or inability to admit our mistakes. It seems to me that those who were distressed by our songs tend to take our denial of guilt that way. I believe that we are all victims of the most perfect misunderstanding and confusion of words and legal terms.

My key point is that I separate the legal and ethical assessments of our performance “Hail Mary, Expel Putin”. This is a very important, probably the most important, thing in this proceeding. I insist that the criminal side of this story must not be confused with the ethical one. The fact is that our denial of guilt does not mean our unwillingness to explain our actions and apologize for the distress brought by our
performance, and I would like everyone, especially the victims, would try to understand that.

My assessment of the ethics of the Pussy Riot punk prayer is this: our ethical mistake was that we allowed bringing our newly developed genre — the unexpected political punk performance — to the cathedral. We did not think that our actions might offend some. In fact, we performed in various places in Moscow since October 2011, and everywhere — in the subway, in stores, on the roof of the detention center, on the Lobnoe Mesto – people perceived our actions with humor, cheerfulness, or, at the very least, with irony. Similarly, based on our experience of the previous performances, we had no idea that the punk performance could hurt or offend someone. If anyone was offended by our performance at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, then I am ready to admit that we made an ethical mistake. This is, indeed, a mistake because we had no conscious intention to offend anyone. Our ethical – I emphasize, ethical, and not the criminal — fault lies in the fact that we allowed ourselves to respond to the patriarch’s call
to vote for Vladimir Putin by our performance at the Cathedral, and, therefore, by sharing our political position with the audience. This is our ethical lapse, and I emphasize and acknowledge it, and I apologies for it.

However, our ethical slip matches no article of the Criminal Code.

We have been in prison for five months now, (((that’s quite a while))) but in our actions do not constitute a crime. The violation of rules of church conduct substantially differs from the accusations of hate and enmity towards the
entire Orthodox religion and all believers that we now face. One does not follow from the other. I shudder every time I read the indictment that we have come to the cathedral out of contempt and hatred towards Christians. These are terrible, very bad words and incredibly strong, terrible accusation. Our motivation was purely political and artistic. I agree, perhaps, we did not have an ethical right to bring them to the cathedral’s ritual space. But we do not hate anyone.

Think about it: what are hatred and enmity? None of them is a joke. No one may label people with them just like that. Perjury is happening here. For five months we have been suffering from slander. It is not easy for me to withstand the cynical and cruel labeling with the feelings that I have not experienced to any living being on earth. The prosecution accuses us of hiding our true motives (which supposedly are
religious hatred and enmity) to avoid punishment. However, we do not lie because we have principles, and one of which is: always telling the truth. We did not betray our principles, even though the investigators detained us, forcing us to admit our guilt under the Article 231 (Part 2). Such admittance would label us with the false motive — hatred and enmity — and crush and destroy us as honest people. The investigators repeatedly told us, if we plea guilty, we would be released. We refused.

If we admit our guilt under the Article 231 (Part 2), we will defame ourselves. The truth is precious to us more than anything, even more than the freedom. Thus, I think there is no reason not to trust our words. We will not lie, for sure. The content of our laptops and hard drives is presented in the criminal case, (((interesting cybercrime twist there — maybe they just should have sent email out of the church, and see how that worked out))) and it refutes the version of the prosecution. These materials prove that we did not have religious hatred or enmity as our motive. Anyone who reads the content of our laptops and hard drives will clearly see that our motivation was purely political. The Volumes 3 and 4 of our criminal case contain
our criticism of Putin’s authoritarian policies and our reflections about the benefits the peaceful civil protests. The Volumes 3 and 4 contain the texts about feminism and interviews of Pussy Riot band. Not a single word is about religious hatred or enmity.

In all those laptops and hard drives, the prosecution has found not a single piece of evidence confirming this motive, and now it is trying to get out of their predicament by magically making illogical conclusions. In our interviews after our performance on 21 February 2012, we repeatedly said that we treated Christianity with great consideration and respect. The prosecution, realizing their lack of evidence of our
religious hatred, has resorted to the next move. They now claim that our statements of loyalty towards Christianity cover up our true attitude towards the religion, thus attempting to minimize the backlash against the illegal act committed at the Cathedral. These statements are illogical because we have publicly stated our positive attitude towards the religion on 21 February 2012 and on other dates – way before the news that a criminal case has been initiated.

The conclusion that we “revenge for Hypatia’s death”* is so absurd that even the ones who still doubted our motives, now realized: the prosecution has absolutely no evidence of the motive of hatred. Therefore neither the motive nor elements of crime exist. (((Maybe so, but being a member of some imaginary Hypatia Revenge Brigade certainly is an awesome allegation.)))

Two expert reports, ordered by the investigation, found no motive of hatred or enmity in our actions. However, for some unfortunate reason, the indictment fails to mention these reports. The experts concluded that the song text, our activities, or the video do not contain any linguistic features of dishonor or insults towards Orthodox Christians, the Orthodox church officials, or other groups. Neither
they contain any linguistic evidence of hostile attitudes towards the Orthodox religion, Orthodox believers, or people of other groups. Moreover, the experts noted that the behavior of our group had no psychological signs of hostility: the girls did not commit aggressive and violent acts against anyone.

In summary, we had no motive of religious hatred or enmity, neither we conducted a crime under Article 213 (Part 2) of the Criminal Code of Russian Federation.

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* Translator’s note: Hypatia of Alexandria (born ca. AD 351-370, died AD 415) was an ancient Greek philosopher in Roman Egypt who was the fist historically noted woman in mathematics. She has taught philosophy and astronomy in Alexandria at the time when science was predominantly occupied by men. Hypatia was highly regarded for her knowledge, extraordinary dignity, and virtue. She died in an incident when Christian monks seized her on the street, beat her, and dragged her body to a church, where they mutilated her flesh and burned her remains. Please see Wikipedia for more details: http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia.

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aGameOfThrones
08-16-2012, 08:54 PM
Thread fraud!

tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 08:58 PM
Thread fraud!

:confused:

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devil21
08-16-2012, 09:00 PM
:confused:

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Thread title fraud.

aGameOfThrones
08-16-2012, 09:01 PM
:confused:

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All I saw was "free pussy", then I read it's a band. :( Don't judge me.

Anti Federalist
08-16-2012, 09:06 PM
All I saw was "free pussy", then I read it's a band. :( Don't judge me.

I thought there was some "free pussy" being handed out and it resulted in a riot...

Kodaddy
08-16-2012, 09:17 PM
I was thinking a no-cost cat fight......

tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 09:31 PM
Well if the males (and gay females) on the board would put there junk back into their pants, do you suppose we could discuss the actual situation with this case?

These girls need support.

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heavenlyboy34
08-16-2012, 09:31 PM
She needs to publish the Russian version. Прямо сейчас!

tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 09:36 PM
She needs to publish the Russian version. Прямо сейчас!

http://www.echo.msk.ru/

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devil21
08-16-2012, 09:39 PM
These girls need support.

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Dunno. They all look like A cups.



sorry...thread is too tempting....HT here we come.

AngryCanadian
08-16-2012, 09:41 PM
Unfortunately i do not support the Free Pussy Riot, as what they are doing may have NGO connections the Free Pussy Riot Group are from an era when the Westren liberals ruled Russia long before Putin came into power.

tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 10:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVJZ7DR-HdI&feature=player_embedded#!

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sparebulb
08-16-2012, 10:15 PM
Their stunt in the church is what is going to sink them. It is clear from reading their "manifesto" that they are just now coming to realize just how offensive and inappropriate their actions were, and public opinion may not be on their side. I think that the possible sentence for this is way out of line for the act they committed. If ever there was such a thing as public disturbance, this is it, but the sentence should be appropriate.

The aforementioned statement that the Orthodox Church considers Putin to be sent by God is absurd. I know enough about the Orthodox Church to know that they have grown suspicious of government in the last century. After all, it was the government that murdered 30,000+ Orthodox priests after the Revolution. The West may forget about history, but the East does not......no fluoride in the water to confuse the mind.

sparebulb
08-16-2012, 10:18 PM
Unfortunately i do not support the Free Pussy Riot, as what they are doing may have NGO connections the Free Pussy Riot Group are from an era when the Westren liberals ruled Russia long before Putin came into power.

I agree. I smell a Soros/CIA/NWO color revolution operation at work here. It is too bad that the Pussies are going to take the hit.

Kodaddy
08-16-2012, 10:20 PM
They need a guitar tuner and maybe some lessons. They are cute though ,and obviously, that makes them sound a little better. (scientific fact)
But really, they have a huge following. I went to a free pussy riot show in town last week. Wore my homemade t-shirt and saw a bunch of others.
Rock out with your cock out, ladies.....be liberty....

tangent4ronpaul
08-16-2012, 10:36 PM
Thank you for actually addressing the situation +rep!


Their stunt in the church is what is going to sink them. It is clear from reading their "manifesto" that they are just now coming to realize just how offensive and inappropriate their actions were, and public opinion may not be on their side. I think that the possible sentence for this is way out of line for the act they committed. If ever there was such a thing as public disturbance, this is it, but the sentence should be appropriate.

Public opinion is split. Many in the church see their treatment as a betrayal of the churches principles of forgiveness. Others see it as blasphemy. They are also spot on about the problems in their country and many Russians identify with that.



The aforementioned statement that the Orthodox Church considers Putin to be sent by God is absurd. I know enough about the Orthodox Church to know that they have grown suspicious of government in the last century. After all, it was the government that murdered 30,000+ Orthodox priests after the Revolution. The West may forget about history, but the East does not......no fluoride in the water to confuse the mind.

The "sent by god" part is also spot on. It's been reported in many articles about the case, though the exact translation varies from news outlet to news outlet. The church has also been pushing their flock from the pulpit to vote for Putin. It's called Infiltration. These orders and statements have come down from the church leadership.

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sparebulb
08-16-2012, 11:09 PM
The traditional relationship, pre-revolution, is for the church and the state to be one and the same with the culture and tradition. It is not surprising that neighborhood-level clergy may be enthusiastically supporting the government of one of its church members, Putin. I doubt very much that the senior clergy is weighing in on this publicly. They know very well what government control of the Church was during the Soviet times, and these times are much different. Putin and Medvedev are both church members and have allowed the Church to assume its traditional role. There is freedom of religion, but there is also light government harassment of other religions from the West that have set up shop in Russia. They are considered suspicious and vehicles of Western meddling. There is certainly reason to believe that this is true when looking at the freak-show evangelical movement in this country with their political and world affairs agenda. The alternative to not voting for Putin may be considered a vote against culture and tradition and a vote for outside (western) influence. They've done that before with horrible results.


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2012/08/AP120511050425-660x453.jpg
Also, to beat a dead horse. This is the image that will convict these people, even in a fair court in Russia. What they are doing here is very offensive when you understand the meaning and sanctity of the icons in the front of the church.

Tangent, thank you for posting this article and these pictures. Russia is an interesting and complicated place. Our western media has effectively done their job of mis/mal-informing us by simply telling us that Russia and Putin are bad.

heavenlyboy34
08-16-2012, 11:55 PM
The traditional relationship, pre-revolution, is for the church and the state to be one and the same with the culture and tradition. It is not surprising that neighborhood-level clergy may be enthusiastically supporting the government of one of its church members, Putin. I doubt very much that the senior clergy is weighing in on this publicly. They know very well what government control of the Church was during the Soviet times, and these times are much different. Putin and Medvedev are both church members and have allowed the Church to assume its traditional role. There is freedom of religion, but there is also light government harassment of other religions from the West that have set up shop in Russia. They are considered suspicious and vehicles of Western meddling. There is certainly reason to believe that this is true when looking at the freak-show evangelical movement in this country with their political and world affairs agenda. The alternative to not voting for Putin may be considered a vote against culture and tradition and a vote for outside (western) influence. They've done that before with horrible results.


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2012/08/AP120511050425-660x453.jpg
Also, to beat a dead horse. This is the image that will convict these people, even in a fair court in Russia. What they are doing here is very offensive when you understand the meaning and sanctity of the icons in the front of the church.

Tangent, thank you for posting this article and these pictures. Russia is an interesting and complicated place. Our western media has effectively done their job of mis/mal-informing us by simply telling us that Russia and Putin are bad.
Indeed! Just like the mideastern countries and peoples, the propaganda machine ignores the context of thousands of years of culture in Russia. I bet if you asked a member of western media about the Kievan Rus' or Nicholas I, they'd have no clue what you're talking about.

Indy Vidual
08-17-2012, 12:14 AM
...if you asked a member of western media about the Kievan Rus' or Nicholas I, they'd have no clue what you're talking about.

Are they also bands? :o

AFPVet
08-17-2012, 12:58 AM
I thought there was some "free pussy" being handed out and it resulted in a riot...

I know right lol.

BamaAla
08-17-2012, 01:12 AM
I saw Madona caused a mini uproar over this the other day. The deputy PM said something to the effect of "with age, all former sluts feel the need to lecture morals."

devil21
08-17-2012, 02:20 AM
Yall got all serious on me. Now I gotta read the thread itself.


bah religious stuff Ill pass.

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 07:29 AM
I saw Madona caused a mini uproar over this the other day. The deputy PM said something to the effect of "with age, all former sluts feel the need to lecture morals."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyaABnuhNMw&feature=player_embedded

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tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 07:38 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/03/making_punk_a_threat_again?page=0,1

Making Punk a Threat Again
Is Russia's Pussy Riot already the most politically influential punk rock group ever?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/pussy_riot_by_igor_mukhin.jpg

Pussy Riot is -- to borrow the Clash's mantle for a second -- the only band that matters.

It almost doesn't matter what the court says. The three women of Pussy Riot -- an explosive, obnoxious cross between a band and an anonymous Russian dissidents' movement -- have, in an important sense, already won their farce of a trial in Moscow. Every day that their trial for "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" continues, they call international attention to the paranoid repression of Vladimir Putin's Russia. Pussy Riot has skewered Putin on the horns of a dilemma: Either his government convicts the band and martyrs it even further, or it backs down and concedes that prosecuting the masked trio for a cacophonous musical protest at Christ the Savior Cathedral that called attention to the Russian church's alliance with the Putin regime was always a mistake. Three of the five band members now face the prospect of seven years in prison, which has prompted an unlikely international outcry. On Thursday, Aug. 2, ahead of a meeting with British Prime Minister David Cameron, Putin indicated he'd prefer to back down.

This is not supposed to happen. Dissidents do not fare well in Putinist Russia, for one; for another, punk rock -- rock 'n' roll's snottier, wittier, and more abrasive bastard child -- does not typically win. Punk has a long history of aspiring to disrupt corrupt and authoritarian governments, corporations, and other structures of international power. But it does not have a long history of success. Accordingly, punk rock has set more achievable, less globalized political goals: typically, localized protests and raising consciousness. Pussy Riot, obscure just months ago, is now an international phenomenon, with the three band members proclaimed prisoners of conscience by Amnesty International and the band the darling of long-suffering Russian intellectuals who have rallied to its defense. And while no one may be talking about the group for its music, a look back at the history of punk rock's earlier geopolitical achievements shows that Pussy Riot has already surpassed them -- and perhaps given punk rock a future as a global force for justice and freedom.

It didn't take long for punk to move from the no-future nihilism of the Sex Pistols, the legendary mid-1970s British band that basically started punk rock. The Clash quickly turned punk's attention to global struggles. Joe Strummer, the Clash's creative force, had punk rock singing about the Spanish Civil War, the Jamaican underclass, the martyrdom of Chilean leftist poet Víctor Jara, even, on a record titled Sandinista!, about the victims of Soviet and Chinese communism. In Northern Ireland, contemporary Stiff Little Fingers sang about creating a different kind of insurgency -- the band called it an "anti-security force," as the group opposed the local militias alongside the British -- on "Alternative Ulster." Punk fractured into endless obscure subgenres and spread worldwide, but a common theme persisted: resistance to arbitrary, brutal global power, something that can be heard in everything from the politicized crust punk of Britain's Discharge to the melodic hardcore of Canada's Propagandhi to the abrasive folk of Florida's Against Me!. Punk channeled youthful angst into an anti-war, anti-government, and anti-corporate catechism.

But those ambitions did not yield tangible geopolitical results. Perhaps the high-water mark of punk's geopolitical relevance came from a single British band that had outlived its peak late-1970s creative period. The pioneers of a particularly abrasive kind of punk -- you'll know it from the relentless, militant snare-drumming -- Crass stood for anarchism, pacifism, and humor (sometimes humorlessly so). But it took an actual war in the Falkland Islands for Crass, by then far past its prime, to spring into action. Their typically caustic single asked British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher "How Does It Feel (to Be the Mother of a Thousand Dead)?" An improbable indie chart-topper, it prompted Tory parliamentarian Tim Eggar to attempt to have Crass prosecuted under an anti-obscenity law.

Escaping the authorities, Crass pulled off a prank that foreshadowed Pussy Riot's success. In 1983, the band secretly provided credulous journalists with a tape purporting to reveal a conversation between Thatcher and U.S. President Ronald Reagan. It seemingly confirmed left-wing paranoia about both conservative leaders: Reagan appeared to urge restraint on a bloodthirsty Thatcher when discussing the Falklands; Thatcher got Reagan to muse about sacrificing Europe in a nuclear exchange with the Soviets. The tape quickly spiraled into an international incident. The U.S. State Department and the CIA claimed it was Soviet disinformation: "This type of activity fits the pattern of fabrications circulated by the Soviet K.G.B., although usually they involve fake documents rather than tapes," read an official State Department statement. The Sunday Times ran a story headlined "How the KGB Fools the West's Press." The point made and the governments embarrassed, Crass band members admitted to the Associated Press that they, not the Soviets, were the architects of the hoax.

Nearly 30 years later, the furor is forgotten. Crass is better remembered for its first two albums, The Feeding of the 5000 and Stations of the Crass, than for the so-called "Thatchergate Tapes." For people like me, who continue to take this music far too seriously, that unfortunately says a lot for the geopolitical relevance of punk rock.

Ever since, to the degree that punk has political objectives -- and there has always been a sizable contingent within the punk scene dissenting from that proposition -- they've manifested in two forms: protest and local challenge. Washington, D.C.'s legendary 1980s hardcore punk scene symbolizes the first. In the summer of 1985, a year punks nationwide remember as D.C.'s "Revolution Summer," local punks like Guy Picciotto of the band Rites of Spring brought drums to the South African Embassy to harass the representatives of the apartheid regime. "We thought we'd inject a little spontaneity into it," Picciotto, dissatisfied with the then-rote protests, recollected. Jeff Nelson, co-founder of the crucial D.C. hardcore label Dischord Records, plastered area walls on Christmas 1987 with a poster mocking Attorney General Ed Meese. The Justice Department called the public propaganda "obnoxious"; its origins stumped the Washington Post. Soon afterward, Picciotto's subsequent band Fugazi, Dischord's flagship act, would perform shows on the National Mall, denouncing the Gulf War.

The other option has been localized action -- either to change local communities or to change the way people exposed to punk rock see the world. In every American city that has a punk scene -- which is to say every American city -- you'll find its members in parks, usually on weekends, cooking vegetarian food to distribute free to all comers, served up with anti-war pamphlets, in a political ritual called Food Not Bombs. Alternatively, other bands have worked to desegregate punk itself, an overwhelmingly white, male, and straight subculture. One of the best bands of the 1990s, Chicago's Los Crudos, was an all-Latino band that sang almost exclusively in Spanish, provoking white youth to consider what it's like to be a cultural outsider; its singer, Martin Sorrondeguy, went on to start Limp Wrist, a rare out, gay hardcore band.

All these efforts have meant a tremendous amount to the millions of people whose lives have been enriched by punk, which, at its best, instills an ethic of personal responsibility and self-reliance that outsiders can find difficult to reconcile with punk's shambolic aesthetics. (When no large venues will book your band, you have to build a tour network of people's basements and couches yourself, after all.) But they haven't meant much for international affairs -- admittedly, a near-impossible goal for what remains a youth movement. Punk protest has become something of an end to itself -- "Protest and Survive," as Discharge ironically sang -- a merit badge to earn or a ritual for punks to uphold. Punk still confronts war and injustice in its lyrics -- Crudos' still-amazing "Asesinos" is about U.S. support for Central American despots -- but like most artists, its geopolitical impact is marginal. The motto of the venerable Minneapolis anarcho-punk label Profane Existence is -- revealingly and somewhat pathetically -- "Making Punk a Threat Again."

Pussy Riot may not reverse that trend. Punk remains primarily a Western phenomenon, which means, as Propagandhi sang, "I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds." Punks who don't actually live under real authoritarian governments don't face the high stakes that the members of Pussy Riot do. But while punk rock mobilized heavily against the 2003 Iraq war, releasing fundraiser albums for activist organizations and throwing anti-war concerts on the National Mall, they didn't so much as attract George W. Bush's attention. Pussy Riot, however, clearly has Putin's.

But maybe it takes a punk visionary to truly recognize Pussy Riot's potential. The band's "method of protest hinges on anonymity. They have created a method of protest that is full of possibility and can be used globally, across international borders," Tobi Vail observed to the indie culture magazine Dazed & Confused on Aug. 2. "Putin can jail individual members of the collective, but how can he stop the potential for new members to join or keep the movement from spreading beyond Russia?"

If anyone knows about creating a method of protest that's full of possibility and applicable across international borders, it's Vail, one of the most inspiring figures punk rock ever produced. The bicoastal band she drummed for, Bikini Kill, transcended its punk roots to become arguably the most important feminist rock group of all time. The "riot grrrl" movement that Bikini Kill helped forge represented a watershed for women demanding representation in an overwhelmingly male underground culture, and it quickly went global. Bikini Kill's caustic performances were political events in miniature: They double-dared women to be who they will and demanded that men confront their privilege, rather than congratulate themselves for being enlightened enough to attend the show.

Indeed, consider what Vail recognized. Pussy Riot performed anonymously at the Moscow church, its members' faces covered in colorful balaclavas. They can be anyone and that might be the inspiration for the next Pussy Riot. It just so happens that as their trial began, punk's most influential chronicle, the fanzine Maximumrocknroll, published its 30th-anniversary issue. The only article about the impact punk continues to have internationally was about Pussy Riot -- an implicit recognition that three women haven't just shamed Putin and indicted his gangsterism, but have redeemed the aspirations of a global protest culture.

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specsaregood
08-17-2012, 07:47 AM
But while punk rock mobilized heavily against the 2003 Iraq war, releasing fundraiser albums for activist organizations and throwing anti-war concerts on the National Mall, they didn't so much as attract George W. Bush's attention.

And then we elected Obama and they all decided war was good.

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 07:49 AM
I'm floored! FOX has suddenly found the story newsworthy!

And - GASP! - actually said the word "pussy" on the air... (just waiting for the FCC to bust/fine them!). One wonders if they would have been so daring if the band in question was "The Butthole Surfers"...

The verdict is expected in the next few minutes.

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tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 08:07 AM
BREAKING! Pussy Riot found guilty!

Sentenced to 2 years each. I'm guessing they are not getting credit for time served (5 months) and it's not clear if that will be in a labor camp or "normal" jail. An appeal is imminent.

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Demigod
08-17-2012, 08:10 AM
Their stunt in the church is what is going to sink them. It is clear from reading their "manifesto" that they are just now coming to realize just how offensive and inappropriate their actions were, and public opinion may not be on their side. I think that the possible sentence for this is way out of line for the act they committed. If ever there was such a thing as public disturbance, this is it, but the sentence should be appropriate.

The aforementioned statement that the Orthodox Church considers Putin to be sent by God is absurd. I know enough about the Orthodox Church to know that they have grown suspicious of government in the last century. After all, it was the government that murdered 30,000+ Orthodox priests after the Revolution. The West may forget about history, but the East does not......no fluoride in the water to confuse the mind.

Please come and teach the Orthodox priests in the Balkans the same thing.I had a neighbor who was a priest that was in charge of one of the larger churches in the capital who drove a brand new Mercedes jeep and made his own private church outside the city where has has symbols such as inverted pyramids and an open eye over the door.He lives there with his mistress while his wife and kids life in the city.

And it is not a separate incident they are using centuries old Monasteries as hotels and selling church relics on auctions ( some even 500 + years old ).

They do not pay a cent in taxes and if a second Orthodox church forms then the government comes in and arrests everyone as cultists .

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 08:17 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/18/world/europe/suspense-ahead-of-verdict-for-jailed-russian-punk-band.html

Russian Punk Band Is Found Guilty of Hooliganism for Anti-Putin Protest

MOSCOW — A Moscow judge delivered guilty verdicts on Friday afternoon against three young women who staged a protest against Vladimir V. Putin in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior last February and whose jailing and trial on hooliganism charges have generated worldwide criticism of constraints on political speech in Russia.

The verdicts, against three members of a band called Pussy Riot, were widely expected, and suspense had built over how severe a punishment they would receive. Prosecutors had demanded three-year prison terms but the judge, Marina Syrova, did not immediately announce the sentences and continued to read from the lengthy verdict on Friday afternoon.

Outside the courthouse, hundreds of demonstrators gathered and shouted, “Free Pussy Riot!”

Riot police officers arrested dozens of them, including the former chess champion Garry Kasparov, who is active in the Russian political opposition. Mr. Kasparov fought with the police and appeared to be beaten as he was bundled into a paddy wagon.

Near the start of the highly anticipated proceedings, the judge said that Pussy Riot’s so-called punk prayer in Moscow’s main cathedral had amounted to the crime of hooliganism motivated by religious hatred. Because the women acted as a group, the maximum sentence under the law is seven years in prison.

They have been in jail since March and a chorus of supporters, including some of the music world’s biggest stars, has demanded their immediate release. Rallies in support of the women were held in dozens of cities around the world on Friday.

The case has become a touchstone in the unfolding political drama that began in Russia after disputed parliamentary elections last December. That is partly because of the sympathetic appearance of the defendants — two are mothers of young children — partly because their group uses music to carry its message, and because it has pitted them against a united power-structure: the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church.

While the case has allowed opponents of Mr. Putin, the president, to portray his government as squelching free speech and presiding over a rigged judicial system, it has also handed the government an opportunity to portray its political opponents as obscene, disrespectful rabble-rousers, liberal urbanites backed by the West in a conspiracy against the Russian state and the Russian church.

The saga began in February when the women infiltrated Moscow’s main cathedral wearing colorful balaclavas, and pranced around in front of the golden Holy Doors leading into the altar, dancing, chanting and lip-syncing for what would later become a music video of a profane song in which they beseeched the Virgin Mary to rid Russia of Mr. Putin.

Security guards quickly stripped them of their guitars, but the video was completed with splices of footage from another church.

Because of the support they have received from stars like Sting and Madonna, the women of Pussy Riot have become more famous, at least outside Russia, than the opposition figures who led large antigovernment street protests in Moscow throughout the winter and spring.

But while they have become minor heroes in the entertainment world, Pussy Riot is far more political than musical: Its members have never released a song or an album, and they do not seem to have any serious aspirations to do so.

On Thursday, with tensions rising in anticipation of the verdict and sentencing, the authorities said that threats had been made against Judge Syrova and that bodyguards had been assigned to her.

Mr. Putin, commenting on the case briefly while in London for the Olympics earlier this month, said he hoped that the women were not judged “too severely,” but that there was nothing good about what they had done and that the decision was the court’s to make.

As the trial opened, the women — Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 23, Yekaterina Samutsevich, 30, and Maria Alyokhina, 24 — apologized, saying they had never intended to offend the Orthodox Church but rather sought to make a political statement against Mr. Putin and against the church patriarch, Kirill I, for supporting Mr. Putin in his campaign for a third term as president.

But prosecutors and lawyers for religious people who where described as victims of the stunt said the women were motivated by religious hatred. The defendants were accused of committing “moral harm” and even of practicing Satanism.

Like defendants in almost all Russian criminal trials, the women were held in the courtroom in a glass enclosure.

As the trial continued, the women seemed emboldened by their mounting international support, including from Madonna, who paused a concert in Moscow to give a speech urging their release and later performed wearing a black bra with “Pussy Riot” stenciled in bold letters on her back.

In a closing statement, Ms. Tolokonnikova, the most outspoken of the defendants, railed against repression in Russia.

“To my deepest regret, this mock trial is close to the standards of the Stalinist troikas,” she said.

“Who is to blame for the performance at the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour and for our being put on trial after the concert? The authoritarian political system is to blame. What Pussy Riot does is oppositional art or politics.”

She added, “In any event, it is a form of civil action in circumstances where basic human rights, civil and political freedoms are suppressed.”

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RonRules
08-17-2012, 08:30 AM
It was in no way an attack on religion.

So WHAT if it was!!

Religions deserve verbal attacks as much, if not more than any other organizations.

KingRobbStark
08-17-2012, 08:51 AM
"Free Dicks" will be the name of my new punk band, and our first CD will be titled "No ****".

I cant wait to perform with "Free Pussies" in the future.

brandon
08-17-2012, 08:52 AM
Gary Kasparov assaulted by police and arrested outside of the courthouse. Fucking Russia...

sparebulb
08-17-2012, 08:54 AM
While I do not believe that the punishment fits the crime, but while the Pussies will be crapping in a bucket in a cold cell for the next two years, they can reflect upon the fact that they have most likely been used as dupes by outside agitators.

The level of injustice in this instance is no different than those that take place right here in the good old USA. The most handy example that I have in the conviction this week of Adaimo Freeman in NH for "wiretapping". And he didn't even feel the need to offend the general public in the process.

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 08:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoJqzGG7u_k

The music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCasuaAczKY&feature=youtu.be


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=Tax4wFFBSLo&NR=1

DAMN! This girl (Nadya) is cute - Tribute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=rOhoiX8VE7o

Interview w/ the girls (In Russian)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=SjOJ-XVEzhE

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sparebulb
08-17-2012, 09:04 AM
Please come and teach the Orthodox priests in the Balkans the same thing.I had a neighbor who was a priest that was in charge of one of the larger churches in the capital who drove a brand new Mercedes jeep and made his own private church outside the city where has has symbols such as inverted pyramids and an open eye over the door.He lives there with his mistress while his wife and kids life in the city.

And it is not a separate incident they are using centuries old Monasteries as hotels and selling church relics on auctions ( some even 500 + years old ).

They do not pay a cent in taxes and if a second Orthodox church forms then the government comes in and arrests everyone as cultists .

Very interesting and thank you for sharing this. For what it is worth, there are many splinter churches in the Balkans that claim to be Orthodox, but have been deemed to be heretic by the real Orthodox Church.

This is just speculation of my part, but I'm going to assume that the political and social chaos in the Balkans have a lot to do with this. To add a rhetorical question, just who is responsible for the trouble in that region?

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 09:20 AM
Very interesting and thank you for sharing this. For what it is worth, there are many splinter churches in the Balkans that claim to be Orthodox, but have been deemed to be heretic by the real Orthodox Church.

This is just speculation of my part, but I'm going to assume that the political and social chaos in the Balkans have a lot to do with this. To add a rhetorical question, just who is responsible for the trouble in that region?

Lets not derail this thread, perhaps we could start a new one if the topic is of interest, but what is the REAL Orthodox church and why is it any better than any other faction of the religion?

For that matter, what sect of Christianity is the true on? I've been told point blank that If I wasn't a member of THEIR church I was following a false prophet and would burn in hell.

But hay, these disagreements have been going on for a long time and many factions based on the same teachings are competing for market share. If you don't believe in the same imaginary friend that we do - WE WILL FUCKING KILL YOU! Doesn't matter if you are Cristian, Mormon, Amish, Jewish or Muslim. The story is always the same. Well, the Amish are peaceful... Religion is about CONTROL!

Always has been.

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sparebulb
08-17-2012, 09:26 AM
Gary Kasparov assaulted by police and arrested outside of the courthouse. Fucking Russia...

F'n Russia maybe, but Kasparov is not a good guy. He is a Bilderburg/NWO operative to destabilize and disrupt Russia. They can do that on their own without outside meddling.

brandon
08-17-2012, 09:27 AM
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tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 09:35 AM
Back to Pussy Riot. These girls are going to appeal and need at least another 30K for their legal defense on top of the 20K they have already raised. Would anyone like to match me on donations to their legal defense fund?

I'd be willing to match 5 - $20 donations...

http://www.causes.com/causes/787323-free-pussy-riot-now-pussy-riot/actions/1671820

Any takers?

-t

ps: oddly the donation widget on www.freepussyriot.org isn't loading - hopefully because of heavy traffic, but I had the PayPal link open - it's: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=MEBhLdHAL6J66a24eWDeEd61B0mkYZRugSIvCNueeN 0oaarjBfVIjxSsMKG&dispatch=5885d80a13c0db1f8e263663d3faee8da6a0e8655 8d6153d8812cd76bf2fd83f

sparebulb
08-17-2012, 09:36 AM
Lets not derail this thread, perhaps we could start a new one if the topic is of interest, but what is the REAL Orthodox church and why is it any better than any other faction of the religion?

For that matter, what sect of Christianity is the true on? I've been told point blank that If I wasn't a member of THEIR church I was following a false prophet and would burn in hell.

But hay, these disagreements have been going on for a long time and many factions based on the same teachings are competing for market share. If you don't believe in the same imaginary friend that we do - WE WILL FUCKING KILL YOU! Doesn't matter if you are Cristian, Mormon, Amish, Jewish or Muslim. The story is always the same. Well, the Amish are peaceful... Religion is about CONTROL!

Always has been.

-t

With all due respect, Tangent. Now we know that religion is your real axe to grind here. Let me offer that grassroots religion-bashing like what we have here with the Pussies will prove to be bitter fruit in many, many ways. Nor will it lead to better government.

Demigod
08-17-2012, 09:45 AM
Very interesting and thank you for sharing this. For what it is worth, there are many splinter churches in the Balkans that claim to be Orthodox, but have been deemed to be heretic by the real Orthodox Church.

This is just speculation of my part, but I'm going to assume that the political and social chaos in the Balkans have a lot to do with this. To add a rhetorical question, just who is responsible for the trouble in that region?

There is no ONE Orthodox church,there are multiple churches all around the world it was made like this from the start as a response to the centralized Catholic church.

As for who is responsible for the trouble in the region.Well the region is responsible for the trouble of the region.We are in the wrong place and always in the wrong time.
It is the place where the West meets the East so there have always been wars against the Germans,the Italians,The Turks,the nomadic people and of course between the region it self.

Since Rome collapsed there has not been more than a few decades of peace.There has only been war.And trough time it has made people desperate.FFS my people invented the suicide bomber at the beginning of the 20 century from desperation.They would go into poor Turkish neighborhoods disguised as merchants who sell cheep flour and when the poor people would come around to buy they blow them self's up and kill as many as possible.I think we still even hold the record of deaths by terrorist attacks.

This my last response on the subject so not to derail the discussion too much

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 09:48 AM
With all due respect, Tangent. Now we know that religion is your real axe to grind here. Let me offer that grassroots religion-bashing like what we have here with the Pussies will prove to be bitter fruit in many, many ways. Nor will it lead to better government.

NOT AT ALL!

I just get pissed off at people that throw out seemingly open statements that betray their own bias in the wording. The REAL orthodox church...

I like these girls because they clank when they walk. That they are putting their necks on the line to fight tyranny, censorship and repression. I like how they are doing it - admire it even. They are very creative and I like that. I doubt many here would do the same. The only one in our movement I know of, that has that kind of audacity is Adam Kokesh.

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sparebulb
08-17-2012, 09:54 AM
Yes, the Orthodox Church is decentralized, and that is a good thing. A rogue priest or church is separate from the real church when it becomes heretical.

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 09:57 AM
http://rt.com/news/orthodox-church-mercy-pussy-962/

Russian Orthodox Church asks authorities to show mercy on Pussy Riot

Russia’s Orthodox Church has appealed to the country’s authorities to show mercy to the three members of Pussy Riot sentenced to two years in jail for a 'punk prayer' in Moscow’s main cathedral.

*“Casting no doubt on the legitimacy of the court’s decision, we appeal onto the public authorities to show mercy, within the law, on the convicted in the hope they will never repeat such blasphemous actions,” the Russian Orthodox Church's High Council said in a statement.

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sparebulb
08-17-2012, 10:04 AM
NOT AT ALL!

I just get pissed off at people that throw out seemingly open statements that betray their own bias in the wording. The REAL orthodox church...

Please read my above response to Demigod. You are simply ignorant about the Orthodox Church and you do not have the historical background to understand the verbage. It is ok, most people in the West don't thesedays. But your lack of knowledge is misleading your emotion.

Note: I am not a member of the Orthodox Church

LibertyEagle
08-17-2012, 10:11 AM
Doesn't it seem odd that the video in the OP is in English, rather than in Russian?

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 10:23 AM
Doesn't it seem odd that the video in the OP is in English, rather than in Russian?

Not really. It wasn't done by them, rather to draw support for them. Protests in 48 cities worldwide...

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TheTexan
08-17-2012, 10:47 AM
In modern russia, courts kangaroo you!

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
08-17-2012, 11:08 AM
So people will protest in multiple cities around the world for an all girl band that gets arrested but they sit there silently over the real threats to liberty, peace and prosperity. What we do we need to do to get people to care? Do we need an all girl band to release a song about gay chicken or something?

heavenlyboy34
08-17-2012, 11:08 AM
Are they also bands? :o
LOL :D

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 11:20 AM
My god i am not surprised by the anti Russian comments on some mainstream news outlets like CBC and the rest i can clearer see what the NGOs are trying to here.

The Free Pussy Riot dont have the support of the Russian people.

echebota
08-17-2012, 11:20 AM
By the way, in 2008 they organized a a public group sex session in a biological museum in Moscow, and the leader (the cutest girl :) ) was 9 month pregnant at that time. the act was performed under a big banner that sad "F.ck for Putin". In the interview the girl called it "political art".

I can see a much emphasized "I’m against" message in the biological museum and in the recent church incident. I can see that these acts insulted many people regardless of political affiliation (I have a thick skin, so it's more entertaining for me then insulting), but I don't see any "I’m for” suggestions. And I'm afraid that they, as "occupiers", have no clue about the root cause, and with an opportunity they'll push for another cooler tyrant like idiots in US have done. That’s the problem with opposition in Russia- a lot of Putin is bad and I'm against crying going on, but when you read political platforms of the opposition you can see neo-con fascists, national fascists, liberals, communists, NWO people, anything but liberty and limited government.

So until I see an “I’m for” message, they are cute girls, brave girls, but disturbing people for nothing is kind of pointless.

Lucille
08-17-2012, 11:36 AM
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
--Evelyn Beatrice Hall

How original, Marxists attacking Christianity and the Catholic Church. That's never been done before!

AFAIC, these militant atheists should be free to expose themselves as the intolerant, bigoted, vulgar broads that they are, which they have done in spades. Their theft and trespassing on private property? Not so much.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/118287.html


Western media coverage of the Russian organization known as "Pussy Riot" (PR) has been among the most egregiously distorted in recent memory — in an era where Western media coverage of most everything about Russia is agonizingly superficial and propagandistic. Now that they have been found guilty of hooliganism it is worth stepping back and looking at this group and the media phenomenon surrounding it a bit more clearly.

These young women are uniformly portrayed as an innocent punk rock protest group who have had their freedom of expression shut down by the evil monster Vladimir Putin who just cannot help crushing anyone and anything opposed to his government because he was once in the Russian KGB! It is as simple as that for the Western press. And those creations of the Western media, the various vapid pop stars and other entertainers, who have through history served as useful idiots to push the cause of the day, have all lined up against the KGB monster who wants to silence all dissent and bring back the Soviet Union.

That so much about the infamous incident of February 21, 2012, when this group ascended the altar of Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in central Moscow clad in bright clothing which masked their identities to scream out a poem, remains unreported, unexplored, unconsidered speaks volumes about the Western media abrogation of its historic role in a free society. As it has come to be expected, thanks to the Internet and what the libertarian website the Daily Bell calls the "Internet Reformation," individuals are stepping in where the media/propaganda outlets have failed and providing real information and investigation.

Thanks to an extremely well-researched blog post by "Mercouris" we come to understand much more about the event, the actual charges against the perpetrators, and the background and origins of this strange group of individuals whose philosophy seems to be much more akin to shock for shock's sake and nihilism than any kind political position or attraction to feminism -- though again, in the Western mainstream media they are portrayed as "feminist punk rockers," akin to a movement in the US known as "Riot Grrrls."

In fact the "group" never seems to have recorded or actually written a single song.

They do have some interesting backers in addition to the usual Western entertainers, however. As is well-documented, PR has open connections to the National Endowment for Democracy (surprise). Oksana Chelysheva, listed as the head of the group's support campaign, also happens to have been "Deputy Executive Director" of the Russian-Chechen Friendship Society, a strange pro-extremist outfit which is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. Chelysheva also has other extensive US government ties through her leadership roles in other NED and George Soros-funded outfits like the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum and the EU-Russia Civil Society Forum.

Does Chelysheva funnel State Department money to the members of Pussy Riot through these front groups? It would not be the first time such support is covertly given to an organization seen as undermining a foreign leader viewed as out of favor with Washington.
[...]
Also seldom reported is what the women actually said while trespassing in the altar area of the church. Falsely reported as a "punk prayer to the Virgin Mary," the poem they recited was in fact grotesquely scatological and objectively disrespectful and blasphemous. It was not a prayer of any sort, and in fact was a kind of a vulgar parody of the beliefs and rituals of believers.
[...]
Some defenders of the group laud the invasion of the church to spew scatological verses as an exercise in "civil disobedience." In fact that may be considered the case if any kind of clear political statement can be discerned from the actual words screamed from the altar, and if one accepts the premise that the Russian Orthodox Church is an arm of the Russian government -- which most would not accept. Indeed there is little relationship between those who resisted the unjust laws in the United States against racial minorities decades ago and those who invade a place of worship to pointedly attack aspects of that worship and the leader of that particular faith. As someone else pointed out, imagine the outrage were a skinhead group to occupy a synagogue in the US. It is certainly a far cry from sitting down at a lunch counter.

While one hesitates to applaud when an individual faces incarceration by the state, it is remarkable how little time is spent considering the rights of the targets of these protests. What about the right to go into a grocery store and not see women placing food items inside their private parts? What about the right to religious activity free of scantily clad women screaming expletives at the Lord, the Virgin Mary, and the local Patriarch? Well sadly those are not much considered by the defenders of these women in the entertainment and media industry because by and large they have long since abandoned any of these sorts of "retrograde" views and beliefs. They are members of the elite who look with scorn on babushka-wearing women who still believe in God and the Church. As from Lenin back to Robespierre back to the original rebel, the old order must be overturned in the name of freedom and progress. In their view, those who resist this inevitable march of history do not deserve to be considered. They do not count.

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 11:38 AM
You Gotta be joking me thinkprogress.
Pussy Riot’s Conviction Highlights Russian Human Rights Abuses
hxxp://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/08/17/707201/pussy-riots-conviction-highlights-russian-human-rights-abuses/?mobile=nc

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 11:39 AM
Sorry double post.

Zippyjuan
08-17-2012, 12:27 PM
Pussy Riot Found Guilty:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/14548226-418/pussy-riot-found-guilty-of-hooliganism.html



Pussy Riot found guilty of hooliganism in stunt against Putin

MOSCOW — A judge found three members of the provocative punk band Pussy Riot guilty of hooliganism on Friday, in a case that has drawn widespread international condemnation as an emblem of Russia’s intolerance of dissent.


The judge said the three band members “committed hooliganism driven by religious hatred” and offended religious believers. The three were arrested in March after a guerrilla performance in Moscow’s main cathedral calling for the Virgin Mary to protect Russia against Vladimir Putin, who was elected to a new term as Russia’s president two weeks later.

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 23; Maria Alekhina, 24; and Yekaterina Samutsevich, 29, face a maximum seven years in prison, although the prosecutors asked for a three-year sentence. They stood in a glass cage in the courtroom, sad smiles sometimes flickering on their lips, as the judge read out the testimony of prosecution witnesses accusing them of sacrilege and “devilish dances” in church.

On the street outside, hundreds of Pussy Riot supporters chanted “Russia without Putin!” amid a heavy police presence. Police rounded up a few dozen protesters, including former world chess champion Garry Kasparov, who is a leading opposition activist, and leftist opposition group leader Sergei Udaltsov.

Judge Marina Syrova was still reading a synopsis of the case, but the sentence could be handed down at any time.

Putin himself has said the band members shouldn’t be judged too harshly, perhaps taking note of a wave of global outrage.


Even if the women are sentenced only to the five months already served, the case has already strongly clouded Russia’s esteem overseas and stoked the resentment of opposition partisans who have turned out in a series of massive rallies since last winter.

It also underlines the vast influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. Although church and state are formally separate, the church identifies itself as the heart of Russian national identity and critics say its strength effectively makes it a quasi-state entity. Some Orthodox groups and many believers are urging strong punishment for an action they consider blasphemous.

Celebrities including Paul McCartney, Madonna and Bjork have called for the band members to be freed, and other protests timed to just before the verdict or soon afterward were planned in more than three dozen cities worldwide. In the Russian capital activists put the band’s trademark ski masks, or balaclavas, on several statues across town.

“This is all nonsense,” said Boris Akunin, one of Russia’s best known authors. “I can’t believe that in the 21st century a judge in a secular court is talking about devilish movements. I can’t believe that a government official is quoting medieval church councils.”

Before Friday’s proceedings began, defense lawyer Nikolai Polozov said the women “hope for an acquittal but they are ready to continue to fight.”

The case comes in the wake of several recently passed laws cracking down on opposition, including one that raised the fine for taking part in an unauthorized demonstrations by 150 times to 300,000 rubles (about $9,000).

Another measure requires non-government organizations that both engage in vaguely defined political activity and receive funding from abroad to register as “foreign agents.”

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 12:35 PM
By the way, in 2008 they organized a a public group sex session in a biological museum in Moscow, and the leader (the cutest girl :) ) was 9 month pregnant at that time. the act was performed under a big banner that sad "F.ck for Putin". In the interview the girl called it "political art".



Was that after Putin's calls for MORE SEX?

Vladimir Putin's Plan To Curb Russia's Demographic Problem? More Sex
Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-13/europe/31054160_1_population-decline-putin-mothers#ixzz23pVuJWFk

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/mcfeatters-putin-s-prescription-more-sex-1.3526272

(short term memory can be quite debilitating)

Zippyjuan
08-17-2012, 12:38 PM
Sentence is two years in prison: http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20120817/43e97cbf-9a5c-4190-a773-b36e95da9ed2

Prosecutors were asking for three and it could have been as many as seven.

echebota
08-17-2012, 12:50 PM
Was that after Putin's calls for MORE SEX?

Vladimir Putin's Plan To Curb Russia's Demographic Problem? More Sex
Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-13/europe/31054160_1_population-decline-putin-mothers#ixzz23pVuJWFk

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/mcfeatters-putin-s-prescription-more-sex-1.3526272

(short term memory can be quite debilitating)

Good find ...Makes more sense now ... :)

kathy88
08-17-2012, 12:56 PM
Oh thank God. It's a band. I've been avoiding this one all day.

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 01:03 PM
So people will protest in multiple cities around the world for an all girl band that gets arrested but they sit there silently over the real threats to liberty, peace and prosperity. What we do we need to do to get people to care? Do we need an all girl band to release a song about gay chicken or something?

Actually they are fighting for liberty, peace and prosperity - using unconventional tactics.



My god i am not surprised by the anti Russian comments on some mainstream news outlets like CBC and the rest i can clearer see what the NGOs are trying to here.

The Free Pussy Riot dont have the support of the Russian people.

Do some research. In the articles I've read, over half the population of Russia in polls thinks they deserve community service or a fine. Something like 30% wants them locked up. the rest are undecided.

Outside the trial several hundred people showed up in support of them, 50 people showed up against them.

Prior to this case, demonstrators and activists have never gotten more than 2 weeks jail time or a fine. They are being made an example.



"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
--Evelyn Beatrice Hall

How original, Marxists attacking Christianity and the Catholic Church. That's never been done before!

AFAIC, these militant atheists should be free to expose themselves as the intolerant, bigoted, vulgar broads that they are, which they have done in spades. Their theft and trespassing on private property? Not so much.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/118287.html

I think less of Lew Rockwell for letting this guy blog on his site, but before I write him asking him to ban the blogger could we get a few things strait?

Heavenlyboy - in post 36, there is a video of their 40 second performance. You understand Russian. Are these the lyrics of what they sang?


Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist...
Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
Bitch, you better believed in God

If they are in fact funded by Soros, etc, why are they broke and needing money for their legal defense?

and then there is this gem:


and the theft of a frozen chicken from a supermarket, which was stuffed up the vagina of one of the women members

Can I get a show of hands from the female members on this forum? How many of you could fit a frozen chicken up your vagina?

there is so much else wrong with that post it's NOT FUNNY!

-t

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 01:08 PM
Actually they are fighting for liberty, peace and prosperity - using unconventional tactics.




Do some research. In the articles I've read, over half the population of Russia in polls thinks they deserve community service or a fine. Something like 30% wants them locked up. the rest are undecided.

Outside the trial several hundred people showed up in support of them, 50 people showed up against them.




I think less of Lew Rockwell for letting this guy blog on his site, but before I write him asking him to ban the blogger could we get a few things strait?

Heavenlyboy 0 in post 36, there is a video of their 40 second performance. You understand Russian. Are there the lyrics of what they sang?



If they are in fact funded by Sorus, etc, why are they broke and needing money for their legal defense?

and then there is this gem:



Can I get a show of hands from the female members on this forum? How many of you could fit a frozen chicken up your vagina?

there is so much else wrong with that post it's NOT FUNNY!

-t


Outside the trial several hundred people showed up in support of them, 50 people showed up against them.

I have seen the pictures of them they are the usual family supporters of the group, as for the several hundred people that showed up to support them, again i have seen the pictures of there supporters they are from an old era where and when gorbachev was the president.



If they are in fact funded by Sorus, etc, why are they broke and needing money for their legal defense?

They arent broke if one of the member of the group is a Canadian how can they be broke? :rolleyes:

I cant believe how many people are been fooled by this as easily they were with Kony 2012.

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 01:13 PM
Oh thank God. It's a band. I've been avoiding this one all day.

Yes - a band... I know the title sounds just - "wrong"...

-t

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 01:19 PM
I have seen the pictures of them they are the usual family supporters of the group, as for the several hundred people that showed up to support them,

They all must have really large families then...


They arent broke if one of the member of the group is a Canadian how can they be broke? :rolleyes:

Well, for one - she's not a Canadian citizen.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1242959--russian-tv-interview-suggests-pussy-riot-member-a-permanent-resident-of-canada

And she's also 22. You know - Parents NEVER sponsor there children's travel to another country as a HS graduation gift or as part of college... :rolleyes:

-t

misterx
08-17-2012, 01:20 PM
Screw those feminists.

kathy88
08-17-2012, 01:20 PM
Yes - a band... I know the title sounds just - "wrong"...

-t

I thought it was another Code Pink thread.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 01:43 PM
Screw those feminists.

Well, they are cute..
Honey says no.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 01:48 PM
Over 50 detained at Pussy Riot courthouse demo
http://rt.com/news/50-detained-pussy-riot-956/

Police are pretty much the same world wide.
Looks like it could be any US City.

TheGrinch
08-17-2012, 01:56 PM
Well if the males (and gay females) on the board would put there junk back into their pants, do you suppose we could discuss the actual situation with this case?

These girls need support.

-t
No, I'm, sorry, I'm afraid with that title there is absolutely no way I can resist making a pun. I also feel I was misled into clicking on this thread, as a free pussy riot would be quite the sight to see....

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 02:03 PM
They all must have really large families then...



Well, for one - she's not a Canadian citizen.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1242959--russian-tv-interview-suggests-pussy-riot-member-a-permanent-resident-of-canada

And she's also 22. You know - Parents NEVER sponsor there children's travel to another country as a HS graduation gift or as part of college... :rolleyes:

-t

I am not surprised that your been fooled into supporting. Heres a headline from RT.
http://rt.com/news/50-detained-pussy-riot-956/


When you have Alexei Navalny & Russian opposition leader Garry Kasparo supporting the Free Pussy Riot the agenda then becomes clear on whose behind them.

The protests in Moscow were started by Alexei a member of Yale University.

Zippyjuan
08-17-2012, 02:04 PM
Go get 'em!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXLxM0u1aJw

AuH20
08-17-2012, 02:04 PM
In Russia, Free Pussy is crushed under the heel of boot!! (i'm sorry. I couldn't resist)

TheGrinch
08-17-2012, 02:08 PM
In Soviet Russia, Pussy eats you!
http://bransonstonecastle.com/sites/bransonstonecastle.com/files/worx_blog/blog/images/yakov_0.jpg

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 02:13 PM
When you have Alexei Navalny & Russian opposition leader Garry Kasparo supporting the Free Pussy Riot the agenda then becomes clear on whose behind them.



I'm no expert on Russian politics,,or society.
Are you saying the old hard line KGB should have no opposition?

Liberty_Mike
08-17-2012, 02:37 PM
Two years in prison for filming a music video in a cathedral in protest of Putin. This is absurd. Putin is a fascist, and anyone who thinks these girls should not be freed are fascists as well. Fee Pussy Riot and support freedom of speech/expression!

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 02:49 PM
Two years in prison for filming a music video in a cathedral in protest of Putin. This is absurd. Putin is a fascist, and anyone who thinks these girls should not be freed are fascists as well. Fee Pussy Riot and support freedom of speech/expression!

Look whose talking its clear you dont know anything what Fascism is. They mocked Christianity in a Holy Church house of worship i dare you try this at a mosque.



This is absurd. Putin is a fascist

Putin is not a fascist unless you want to Turn Russia into an American puppet client state, then please dont complain about the new world order taking over.


The Pussy Riot remind me so much as of that nonsense as Kony 2012.
If Putin is a Fascist what does that make America and its polices?

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 02:55 PM
I'm no expert on Russian politics,,or society.
Are you saying the old hard line KGB should have no opposition?

Do you prefer that Russia should Return to the days of gorbachev? because most of Putin Opposition figures are nothing more Westren liberals,Neo Fascists of Russia, And of course communists.

You sure you want them in Power?

Russia is a nation of 100 to 200 Million people and only a minority want to return to the days when they were with America, or more rather want an Pro Washington president.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 02:56 PM
If Putin is a Fascist what does that make America and its polices?

And your point is?

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 03:01 PM
And your point is?

My point is that America is a fascist police militarist state. From supporting terrorists in Sryia and from supporting terrorists during the Kosovo war, its pretty clear what they are trying to do in Russia by bribing these feminists who have never even written a song before.

This isn't there first time that they have tried getting public attention.

juleswin
08-17-2012, 03:02 PM
Fuck Pussy riot. These hooligans have been pulling stunts like this for years now, going into public places playing their repulsive music, forcibly kissing strangers on the street, trespassing, disrupting public events. I wouldn't be surprised if these assholes were agents of the west trying to undermine a govt that is opposed to US world domination. Say what you will about Russia and China but they are whats stopping US and NATO from world domination

Russia is like the dragonfly that eats the mosquitoes in your yard. They are ugly, noisy and unpleasant but they are a necessary evil just as long as the mosquitoes are lurking around your house.

I will say it again, fuck Pussy Riot and I wouldn't shed a tear if someone happened to shank them in prison.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 03:02 PM
You sure you want them in Power?


Not sure who is in power there at all. I suspect still the Rothschild Empire as it has been for the last century or so.
If I had my druthers,, likely the Russian mob. They were at least capitalists.

Preferably the people,, with no one in power. But we can't even manage that here.

Lucille
08-17-2012, 03:25 PM
Actually they are fighting for liberty, peace and prosperity - using unconventional tactics.
[...]
and then there is this gem:

Can I get a show of hands from the female members on this forum? How many of you could fit a frozen chicken up your vagina?

there is so much else wrong with that post it's NOT FUNNY!

-t

Is that what they're doing? Are they #winning?

The video's out there, and the one of the orgy in the museum also. The girl who did the chicken bit is a member of the related activist group War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voina), and is reportedly named Vacuous C*** so, judging by her name, and the vid, she had the room. (Not gonna post 'em! No can do. There's a photo gallery of it at the War link above.)


With a clipped, maniacal performance that by most accounts lasted less than a minute before security guards intervened, Pussy Riot has managed to split Russia in two. The trial pits patriarchy v. matriarchy, religion v. secularism, nationalists v. globalists, urban intelligentsia v. rural traditionalists, and Putin’s supporters against his already rabid detractors. It has also pried open a rusty can of worms by spurring an international debate over what exactly is sacred and what is profane.

A loosely aggregated art “collective,” Pussy Riot formed in the fall of last year in protest of what appeared to be Vladimir Putin’s inevitable return to Russia’s presidency. The three Pussies on trial—all of whom are described as middle-class and well-educated—had previously belonged to a self-described “terrorist” performance-art group called Voina (War), whose feats included painting a giant penis on a St. Petersburg bridge, shoving a raw chicken inside a human vagina at a supermarket, and having live group sex at an art museum. Nadezhda Tolokonnikova participated in the latter event while nine months pregnant and reportedly gave birth four days later.

Since it’s cool to bash Russia now that it’s no longer communist, and it’s A-OK to incite hatred so long as it’s against pale Christians, Pussy Riot has garnered massive support amid ideologically bedraggled Westerners who value indefinable deconstructivist constructs such as “raising awareness and solidarity and getting people involved” and those who’ve been waiting 35 years to see “punk rock [have] a future as a global force for justice and freedom.” Yoko Ono, Sting, Peter Gabriel, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers have demanded that Putin FREE PUSSY RIOT immediately. At a Moscow concert last week, Madonna temporarily put down her sweaty boob-cones and delivered an impassioned speech on Pussy Riot’s behalf, prompting Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin to inaccurately call her an “ex-wh*re” on Twitter. (Consensus is that Madonna’s still a wh*re.)

Support has apparently been scant from mainstream Russian musicians, and large swaths of the Russian heartland seem convinced that Pussy Riot are useful idiots being used by Western powers who are unhappy that Putin was reelected by what even the election-monitoring group Golos admits was a majority quotient in a crowded field. Still, a recent poll indicated that most Russians feel imprisoning Pussy Riot would be an overreaction.
[....]
Upon their arrest, two members initially denied participating in the “action” at the cathedral but now seem to take pride in their involvement. In a prepared statement at trial, Tolokonnikova said, “we had no idea that the punk performance could hurt or offend someone” and that there was “no hate, not a drop” in what they’d done. But she conceded they’d made an “ethical mistake” in choosing to stomp around in the cathedral rather than a more neutral venue.

And this is where I agree. Not only did Pussy Riot make a mistake in storming the cathedral, Putin’s regime made a mistake in charging them with an anti-religious hate crime. If there’s any crime here, it’s something simple such as trespassing. What they did was rude. I’m sure they wouldn’t like it if a gaggle of Russian Orthodox greybeards crashed one of their pajama parties and started calling them a bunch of filthy whores. Or maybe they would. These chicks are weird.

Feminism has been called “the radical notion that women are human beings,” but in its latter-day extremist incarnations it more resembles the religious fiction that women are innocent angels. It’s notable that Pussy Riot beseeched the Virgin Mary—a matriarch if ever there was one—to help them shame the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church for his political endorsement of the hyper-macho Putin, a martial-arts expert who rides motorcycles, race cars, military fighter jets, and submarines when he isn’t scuba-diving, playing ice hockey, or shooting darts at whales.

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By upping the political stakes, western campaigners helped to seal Pussy Riot's fate (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100177069/by-upping-the-political-stakes-western-campaigners-helped-to-seal-pussy-riots-fate/)

I'm more concerned about the US' political prisoners, like Bradley Manning and Julian Assange.

James Madison
08-17-2012, 03:45 PM
Two years in prison for filming a music video in a cathedral in protest of Putin. This is absurd. Putin is a fascist, and anyone who thinks these girls should not be freed are fascists as well. Fee Pussy Riot and support freedom of speech/expression!

Putin is the only thing stopping a US attack on Iran. Say what you want about this whole fiasco, these women knew the law and the consequences for breaking it. Doesn't justify the law, but it limits the sympathy I have for them. And if they honestly felt storming into a church and blasting their god-awful music is somehow 'making a statement' then I don't know what to tell you. Imagine if Thomas Jefferson acted this reckless; do you think the Declaration of Independence would have even been written? Imagine if Thomas Paine had decided to moon King George instead of writing Common Sense. If George Washington wasn't disciplined enough to retire after his second term. This is faux-activism at best and pure stupidity at worst. And anyone who thinks this kind of behavior wins the heart of normal people are delusional.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 03:49 PM
And anyone who thinks this kind of behavior wins the heart of normal people are delusional.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fCZBob_EdHc/0.jpg

James Madison
08-17-2012, 03:54 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fCZBob_EdHc/0.jpg

Is this supposed to be the Boston Tea Party?

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 03:56 PM
Is this supposed to be the Boston Tea Party?

I believe it is an artists rendition of the event..

You know,, people dressing up in costumes, breaking the law and making a political statement.

Not really sure if any music was played or anything.

James Madison
08-17-2012, 04:03 PM
I believe it is an artists rendition of the event..

You know,, people dressing up in costumes, breaking the law and making a political statement.

Not really sure if any music was played or anything.

Except the Boston Tea Party actually had a point. It was directly against the Crown and the East India Company, which had monpolized the importation of tea into the colonies, and then forced the colonists to pay taxes on a product they had no use for. In short, they were being taxed without any representation in Parliment. Throwing all that tea into Boston Harbour was basically a giant middle finger to the king and revenge for an unjust law. Pussy Riot, however, seems more intent on causing trouble for the sake of causing trouble. They are Salieri to the colonist's Mozart.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 04:06 PM
Except the Boston Tea Party actually had a point. It was directly against the Crown and the East India Company, which had monpolized the importation of tea into the colonies, and then forced the colonists to pay taxes on a product they had no use for. In short, they were being taxed without any representation in Parliment. Throwing all that tea into Boston Harbour was basically a giant middle finger to the king and revenge for an unjust law. Pussy Riot, however, seems more intent on causing trouble for the sake of causing trouble.

And from the Girls statements (translated of course) they are protesting the Authoritarian policies that are imposed on their country.

I can relate to the Anti-Authoritarian message.

HOLLYWOOD
08-17-2012, 04:10 PM
I see in the EVIL EMPIRE "Soviet Union" Moscow, you can wear masks... unlike the "Land of Free and Home of the Brave, Washington DC"

mac_hine
08-17-2012, 04:32 PM
The human rights abuses perpetrated on those poor pussies requires immediate US intervention. Send in the drones, Barry.
/s

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Do you prefer that Russia should Return to the days of gorbachev? because most of Putin Opposition figures are nothing more Westren liberals,Neo Fascists of Russia, And of course communists.

You sure you want them in Power?

Russia is a nation of 100 to 200 Million people and only a minority want to return to the days when they were with America, or more rather want an Pro Washington president.

142 Million... for such a large land mass - that's surprising...

-t

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 04:40 PM
I see in the EVIL EMPIRE "Soviet Union" Moscow, you can wear masks... unlike the "Land of Free and Home of the Brave, Washington DC"

Unless you are a SWAT cop - in which case hiding your identity is TOTALLY COOL! :rolleyes:

-t

tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2012, 05:01 PM
Does anyone want to donate to these girls legal defense fund?

-t

sparebulb
08-17-2012, 05:17 PM
Does anyone want to donate to these girls legal defense fund?

-t

No such thing as free pussy, it seems.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 05:18 PM
Does anyone want to donate to these girls legal defense fund?

-t
No Money. But there are many causes closer to home that I would give to first,, if I could.

I do sympathize to some extent,, as with any injustice.

LS4702
08-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Excuse me, I may not have all the facts, and yes I believe in free speech....but what I have read about these "guys" is that they are vulgar little shits. And if what I have read is true, they deserve what they got.

Lucille
08-17-2012, 06:08 PM
I'm sure the Legion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_(demon)) of Western entertainment industry millionaires, atheists, militant feminists, and the (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/russias-pussy-riot-trial.html) CIA (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/pussy-riot-solidarity-topless-ukrainian.html) have these broads' backs. They don't need our money.

I'll donate to Obama's political (http://justice4assange.com/donate.html) prisoners (http://www.bradleymanning.org/) instead, since neither of them seem to garner the attention and support that these dames do.

Speaking of which, this is rich:

Obama spokesman condemns ‘disproportionate’ prison term for Russian punk band members (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-spokesman-condemns-disproportionate-prison-term-pussy-riot-175432259.html)


"While we understand the group's behavior was offensive to some, we have serious concerns about the way these young women have been treated by the "Russian judicial system," Earnest said. He did not use the band's name.

LOL... Those scare quotes can work both ways. Is there a more hypocritical regime than ours on the planet? I can't think of one! We have more people in prison than at the height of Stalin's gulag, Obama's assassinating American citizens at will, CONgress and the Obama admin. nullified due process, and militarized LEOs are killing people (and dogs!) on a daily basis, and the Banksters have been given the judicial A-OK to rob us of our property (after trillions upon trillions in bailouts). Putin's response should be amusing.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 06:09 PM
but what I have read about these "guys"

they are girls,, to the best of my understanding.

MelissaWV
08-17-2012, 06:14 PM
I already gave all of my money to Spontaneous Dick Bonanza and Lop-Sided Breast Maelstrom, sorry.

heavenlyboy34
08-17-2012, 06:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoJqzGG7u_k

The music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCasuaAczKY&feature=youtu.be


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=Tax4wFFBSLo&NR=1

DAMN! This girl (Nadya) is cute - Tribute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=rOhoiX8VE7o

Interview w/ the girls (In Russian)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=SjOJ-XVEzhE

-t
Спасбо большой за youtubes. :)

LS4702
08-17-2012, 06:17 PM
Well heck, do you know italics are for?

heavenlyboy34
08-17-2012, 06:18 PM
Well heck, do you know italics are for?
Whom are you addressing, sir?

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 06:34 PM
Does anyone want to donate to these girls legal defense fund?

-t
No. 60% polled in Russia agree with the verdict.

I am not surprised people are been fooled into as they were Kony 2012 etc.

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 06:37 PM
And from the Girls statements (translated of course) they are protesting the Authoritarian policies that are imposed on their country.

I can relate to the Anti-Authoritarian message.

Clearer you dont know Russian politics these girls arent just the Authoritarian policies that are imposed on their country. They want an Pro American president in Russia ruling them i guess you wouldn't have a problem with that.

LS4702
08-17-2012, 06:54 PM
I honestly want to know. Why is anyone supporting these GIRLS (ahem) I have checked them out on line and they are not about freedom of speech so much as getting some pr and their 15 minutes. If they are protesting country policies they have a pretty weird way of getting their point across.

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 06:54 PM
. They want an Pro American president in Russia ruling them i guess you wouldn't have a problem with that.

Not necessarily. Why?
is pro American necessarily bad?

I would love to see Russia go FULL American Revolution American.. (Doubt that could happen) It would be cool.
Russia as the land of the free and the US as the Commie country it has become.

AngryCanadian
08-17-2012, 10:48 PM
Not necessarily. Why?
is pro American necessarily bad?

I would love to see Russia go FULL American Revolution American.. (Doubt that could happen) It would be cool.
Russia as the land of the free and the US as the Commie country it has become.

No offense meant but seriously i thought you were all against the New World Order, oh i guess not.


is pro American necessarily bad?
If your supporting the NWO and goals with the likes of the NGO organizations then yes.

heavenlyboy34
08-17-2012, 10:56 PM
Except the Boston Tea Party actually had a point. It was directly against the Crown and the East India Company, which had monpolized the importation of tea into the colonies, and then forced the colonists to pay taxes on a product they had no use for. In short, they were being taxed without any representation in Parliment. Throwing all that tea into Boston Harbour was basically a giant middle finger to the king and revenge for an unjust law. Pussy Riot, however, seems more intent on causing trouble for the sake of causing trouble. They are Salieri to the colonist's Mozart.
They were very good friends and admired each other's work in real life. The "conflict" between them was made up out of whole cloth to advance the story in "Amadeus". ;)

heavenlyboy34
08-17-2012, 10:59 PM
Not necessarily. Why?
is pro American necessarily bad?

I would love to see Russia go FULL American Revolution American.. (Doubt that could happen) It would be cool.
Russia as the land of the free and the US as the Commie country it has become.
I wouldn't support a violent revolution anywhere unless there was real tyranny happening. It wasn't a good idea here or in France or Russia. (All 3 became massive, aggressive imperial state) Secession is sufficient. /end ramble

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 11:02 PM
No offense meant but seriously i thought you were all against the New World Order, oh i guess not.


If your supporting the NWO and goals with the likes of the NGO organizations then yes.

The New World Order has nothing to do with "American".. Just how do you define what I said with the NWO?

The NWO is not an "american" thing,,nor any nation.. or national thing.

I do oppose a ONE WORLD Government.. but do not oppose a free society in any country,, in whatever form the people of that country chose.

specsaregood
08-17-2012, 11:03 PM
is pro American necessarily bad?
If your supporting the NWO and goals with the likes of the NGO organizations then yes.

Hrm, so being pro-america == anti nwo? I have no problem with that. I thought that was why we were all here. Are you anti-american and pro-NWO then?

pcosmar
08-17-2012, 11:09 PM
I wouldn't support a violent revolution anywhere unless there was real tyranny happening. It wasn't a good idea here or in France or Russia. (All 3 became massive, aggressive imperial state) Secession is sufficient. /end ramble

Ah,, was not referring to a violent revolution,,but rather a society established around some constitutional protections of basic human rights.
Rather than the rule of despotic elitists.

Unfortunately,,the Despotic Elite seldom leave willingly or peacefully.

James Madison
08-17-2012, 11:49 PM
They were very good friends and admired each other's work in real life. The "conflict" between them was made up out of whole cloth to advance the story in "Amadeus". ;)

lol

I always thought the 'conflict' arose from a play written by Rimski-Korsakov (sp?).;)

Anti Federalist
08-17-2012, 11:59 PM
I already gave all of my money to Spontaneous Dick Bonanza and Lop-Sided Breast Maelstrom, sorry.

Hahahahahhahahahahahah!!!!!

heavenlyboy34
08-18-2012, 12:03 AM
lol

I always thought the 'conflict' arose from a play written by Rimski-Korsakov (sp?).;)
Hmm...don't know of it, but that may be true. Nikolai's name usually transliterated "Rimsky-Korsakov", but it doesn't matter that much. The english transliteration doesn't give it justice anyhoo. :P Is that play even popular enough to be well-known anymore? AFAIK, modern folks only know of the imaginary Mozart-Sallieri rivalry from "Amadeus".

James Madison
08-18-2012, 12:12 AM
Hmm...don't know of it, but that may be true. Nikolai's name usually transliterated "Rimsky-Korsakov", but it doesn't matter that much. The english transliteration doesn't give it justice anyhoo. :P Is that play even popular enough to be well-known anymore? AFAIK, modern folks only know of the imaginary Mozart-Sallieri rivalry from "Amadeus".

Here it is. Found it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_and_Salieri

AngryCanadian
08-18-2012, 03:48 AM
I should point out that this is not their only performance. They also performed on the streets (they even imitated bears having sex). For doing such things they only got fined. The only reason this time they got arrested is for doing this in a church. If they were to do this once again on the streets they would not have been arrested.

AngryCanadian
08-18-2012, 03:48 AM
I should point out that this is not their only performance. They also performed on the streets (they even imitated bears having sex). For doing such things they only got fined. The only reason this time they got arrested is for doing this in a church. If they were to do this once again on the streets they would not have been arrested.

pcosmar
08-18-2012, 07:50 AM
I should point out that this is not their only performance. They also performed on the streets (they even imitated bears having sex). For doing such things they only got fined. The only reason this time they got arrested is for doing this in a church. If they were to do this once again on the streets they would not have been arrested.

I was of the impression it was a performance OUTSIDE the "Church" on the steps of.
I am not much of a fan of State Sanctioned churches. Especially in a country known to murder and persecute Believers.
And from the statements I read,, that was exactly what they were protesting,, the collusion of the "church" and KGB Putin.

sparebulb
08-18-2012, 09:01 AM
I was of the impression it was a performance OUTSIDE the "Church" on the steps of.
I am not much of a fan of State Sanctioned churches. Especially in a country known to murder and persecute Believers.
And from the statements I read,, that was exactly what they were protesting,, the collusion of the "church" and KGB Putin.

pcosmar, I always respect your analysis and comment, and I almost always universally agree. However, this time your views seem to reflect those that have been propagated over the last several years by the Western establishment/media. It would not do either of us, or history, justice to have a pedestrian such as myself try to explain where I disagree with your previous statement, but I would suggest that we all take a little extra time to study the history of Russia and the Orthodox Church before we take someone else's word for it...especially the media's. Russia is a complicated place and everything must be understood with its historical context.

As far as where the Pussies protested, here is the best pictured that was nicely posted by Tangent4Paul. What you are seeing is inside the church beside the iconostasis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconostasis). Here is an interesting wiki about the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour). It was built with private funds for those that questioned it earlier.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2012/08/AP120511050425-660x453.jpg

pcosmar
08-18-2012, 09:46 AM
As far as where the Pussies protested, here is the best pictured that was nicely posted by Tangent4Paul. What you are seeing is inside the church beside the iconostasis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconostasis). Here is an interesting wiki about the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour). It was built with private funds for those that questioned it earlier.


I may well be mistaken on the location.. But do not believe that to be relevant. outside or inside a state run church.
The only reason for the existence of that church is that the state Allowed it,, at a time when Christians were persecuted and killed by that same government.

The State Sanctioned church was the only visible church. (underground churches were hunted,,and believers killed or imprisoned)
That the Church is in collusion with The Government strips it of any legitimacy in my mind.
Regardless or what they call themselves.
And if the church is in fact saying that KGB Putin was sent by God,, as the girls claim. It has NO legitimacy.. regardless of how many claim membership.

Were it not for the art and history,,I would prefer the abomination was removed from the earth.

sparebulb
08-18-2012, 10:27 AM
I may well be mistaken on the location.. But do not believe that to be relevant. outside or inside a state run church.
The only reason for the existence of that church is that the state Allowed it,, at a time when Christians were persecuted and killed by that same government.

The State Sanctioned church was the only visible church. (underground churches were hunted,,and believers killed or imprisoned)
That the Church is in collusion with The Government strips it of any legitimacy in my mind.
Regardless or what they call themselves.
And if the church is in fact saying that KGB Putin was sent by God,, as the girls claim. It has NO legitimacy.. regardless of how many claim membership.

Were it not for the art and history,,I would prefer the abomination was removed from the earth.

Well, I tried. I understand when someone's mind is decided.

Here is the picture of the Soviets blowing up the original Cathedral of the Christ Saviour in 1931, trying to fulfill that dream to remove "the abomination" from the earth. I'm sure that the Soros/CIA/NWO, and their useful idiot Pussies, have similar plans if they get their way.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Christ_saviour_explosion.jpg/786px-Christ_saviour_explosion.jpg

Hyperion
08-18-2012, 10:39 AM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/118287.html

I'm guessing this has already been posted in this thread. Based on more information and not the typical anti-Russian slant from our media, it appears to me that these 'performers' are backed by Soros/NWO stuff and got exactly what they deserved.

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2012, 10:45 AM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/118287.html

I'm guessing this has already been posted in this thread. Based on more information and not the typical anti-Russian slant from our media, it appears to me that these 'performers' are backed by Soros/NWO stuff and got exactly what they deserved.

There is a ton wrong with that blog entry that was not written by Lew Rockwell. See post 63

-t

Hyperion
08-18-2012, 10:47 AM
The New World Order has nothing to do with "American".. Just how do you define what I said with the NWO?

The NWO is not an "american" thing,,nor any nation.. or national thing.

I do oppose a ONE WORLD Government.. but do not oppose a free society in any country,, in whatever form the people of that country chose.

Unfortunately the US government, the Fed and such are absolutely the driver of the NWO.

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2012, 10:54 AM
http://perezhilton.com/2012-08-17-pussy-riot-releases-new-song#.UC_BuqPud8E

Even though they gave the punk band a two-year prison sentence, the Russian government can't stop, won't stop Pussy Riot!

The girls released a brand new song called Putin Lights Up the Fire the SAME day they received the incredibly harsh prison sentence!

How's that for an "eff you" to the establishment they are continuing to challenge even while they're behind bars?

Obviously, the song's in Russian, so you most likely won't understand a word of it, but we understand the anger that radiates from their vocals.

The songs/video's:

“PUTIN SETS THE FIRES OF REVOLUTIONS”: (This is the one released yesterday)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjfRfMEA2_o

They have put out 5 other songs/videos - if anyone finds the rest, please post.

“RELEASE THE COBBLESTONES” <== Not found

“KROPOTKIN VODKA”: (This is the song, but not their video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOWvUuaUaCA

“DEATH TO PRISON, FREEDOM TO PROTESTS “:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmyZbJpYV0I

A youtube about this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n24qrJ-QzI0

“PROTESTS IN RUSSIA, PUTIN CHICKENED OUT” <== Not found

“HOLY MARY, DRIVE PUTIN AWAY” (This one was posted in this thread second vid in batch I posted. Here it is again):

The actual performance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FoJqzGG7u_k#!

The music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALS92big4TY

It's worth noting that at least some of the lyrics claimed in the Lew Rockwell blog piece were added after the performance at the church when the the forty seconds of performance morphed into a 1m 40s music video. Footage from a previous performance at a different church was mixed in and entirely new lyrics were added. What the Lew Rockwell blog claims was sung in the church, was not! A comparison of the actual performance and the music video makes this obvious, even if you don't understand Russian.

The Washington Post did an article on the groups music:

Pussy Riot: Handful of songs and videos that shook and polarized Russia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pussy-riot-5-songs-and-videos-that-shook-and-polarized-russia/2012/08/18/dd393d78-e943-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html?wp_login_redirect=0

They mention all six songs and do a brief writeup about them. They don't link to any of the video's and cherry pick lyrics for some that they say came from Pussy Riots blog - which they also fail to link to. What is interesting is that they describe where the performances took place and what happened, though there is heavy spin. You will have to register with the WP site if you want to read it. The 2 missing videos (well 3 - one posted above is just the audio, not PR's video) are out there, however. Can anyone find them?

-t

pcosmar
08-18-2012, 10:55 AM
I'm sure that the Soros/CIA/NWO, and their useful idiot Pussies, have similar plans if they get their way.


Change those to Rothschild and you will be over the target.. And they still own Russia,, as well as the US.
They have ever since they killed the Czar.. Communism and socialism are their promotions and manipulating government for war is their game.

They created Israel to do the same in the Middle east.. Russia is nothing but a tool.
Political Religion is a Tool. and they play one against another.

pcosmar
08-18-2012, 11:01 AM
Unfortunately the US government, the Fed and such are absolutely the driver of the NWO.

Again,, The US government and Federal Reserve are Wholly Owned subsidiaries of the Rothschild Empire.
Have been since the early 1900s.

Follow the Money. (and don't stop at convenient intersections) All Roads lead to Rothschild.

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2012, 11:07 AM
Picture from the NYC demonstration:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/PussyRiot2.jpg

Scenes from the Pussy Riot Protests

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/scenes-from-the-pussy-riot-protests/261300/

Protesters took to the streets of New York yesterday to decry the two year prison sentence given by a Russian court to three members of the Russian punk/activist collective Pussy Riot on charges of "hooliganism." Starting at the Russian Consulate on the Upper East Side, protesters - many of them wearing homemade brightly colored balaclava-style masks that are a signature of Pussy Riot's look - chanted, marched, and, yes, got arrested.

...

Pussy Riot's cause -- an ongoing, loosely articulated protest against Russian President Vladimir Putin's leadership and the Russian Orthodox Church's support of it -- is the least fascinating thing about them. Rather, it's their mixture of intelligent defiance in the face of overwhelming power, their dynamic energy and reimagined riot grrl style that have ignited a ferocious love for them in the West. They're unashamed and vigorous and cool. No wonder the last generation's stars - Madonna, Peter Gabriel, Björk - have gone to such lengths to support them. Their explosive potency could only be ignited in a place like Russia, where Putin's autocratic style has carried into a third presidential term (Russia's constitution prohibits more than two consecutive terms) and rampant state corruption, crooked billionaire oligarchs and the short lifespans of inquisitive reporters have earned the country a reputation as a mafiocracy. Pussy Riot injects new life into punk rock, making it seem real again. When was the last time a Rage Against the Machine song sounded relevant?

Speaking in Times Square where the protest migrated after mid-day, Thadaus Umpster, a member of the anarchist group In Our Hearts, described six people arrested earlier, including two men carrying a banner in the street in front of the consulate, a third who stopped his bicycle in the bike lane, and three women wearing masks.

Facebook posts about the planned march warned that wearing a mask in New York to anything but a masquerade is illegal but it turns out that's not entirely true. Wearing a mask by yourself is A-OK; do it in the company of others and you're actually loitering. According to New York Penal Law 240.35, "a person is guilty of loitering when he...being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration, loiters, remains or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked or disguised..." The law has been in place since 1845, when farmers protesting wheat prices attacked farmers wearing Native American masks. It was later updated in 1965 to exempt "masquerades."

By the time protesters arrived in Times Square, the sheer attention-getting volume of every other element around them seemed to diminish the entire affair, making them almost difficult to spot. Hawkers handed out flyers for musicals; several Elmos, Grovers and a five-foot-five Buzz Lightyear waved and posed; a 20-foot-high Pauly D leered down from a giant billboard throwing devil horns and urging passersby to drink energy shots. Only a few people were wearing homemade masks, and anyone with a placard or a balaclava was surrounded by photographers and microphones. Walking past, you could've been forgiven for thinking that Odd Future was shooting some kind of feminist-ridiculing video. Police were loosely gathered along the street and in the median around the protest but made no effort to intervene.

Olga Golovanova, a 24 year-old Russian citizen, wore seafoam green jeans, a FREE PUSSY RIOT tee and a blue homemade balaclava as she handed out flyers. "I'm really sad, I can't stop crying," she said. "I'm here today to express my deepest sadness, my deepest embarrassment, my deepest hatred on behalf of what's happened to these women. I debated one of them at Russian Hillel. I think what they did was in bad taste, it was bad manners, but should they be taken from their families for two years? Absolutely not."

Another protester, well over six feet tall and wearing a suit and tie in the 85 degree heat, chain smoked through his red ski mask. "The most offensive thing is the [Russian Orthodox] church saying the law of God is above the law of the land. I wear this mask, I do worry about this because I am Russian citizen, they can set up charges. I am 52 years old, I was alive, I remember Brezhnev. I remember the process of Brodsky. The process with Pussy Riot was not much different."

Joseph Brodsky was a poet and writer who, like Pussy Riot, was brought before Russian (then Soviet) authorities in the mid-1960s for charges of "malicious parasitism." After five years of hard labor, he was kicked out of the USSR and ended up in America, where he was eventually awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature and was appointed United States Poet Laureate.

Perhaps fate and history will treat Pussy Riot just as well.

-t

I have a feeling that today is what November 6th is going to feel like... :(

AuH20
08-18-2012, 11:18 AM
So Pussy Riot is essentially a bunch of deranged feminists similar to what the U.S. is saddled with? This certainly doesn't mean they merit a 2 year sentence but they are far from the noble freedom fighters the Western media is trying to prop up.

Demigod
08-18-2012, 11:21 AM
So Pussy Riot is essentially a bunch of deranged feminists similar to what the U.S. is saddled with? This certainly doesn't mean they merit a 2 year sentence but they are far from the noble freedom fighters the Western media is trying to prop up.

You can not go into one of the main churches and do something like they did.Maybe not 2 years of prison but 1 year is totally in line with what they did.

I would like to see what would happen if someone did anything similar inside Saint Peters basilica in Rome.

Demigod
08-18-2012, 11:24 AM
I may well be mistaken on the location.. But do not believe that to be relevant. outside or inside a state run church.
The only reason for the existence of that church is that the state Allowed it,, at a time when Christians were persecuted and killed by that same government.

The State Sanctioned church was the only visible church. (underground churches were hunted,,and believers killed or imprisoned)
That the Church is in collusion with The Government strips it of any legitimacy in my mind.
Regardless or what they call themselves.
And if the church is in fact saying that KGB Putin was sent by God,, as the girls claim. It has NO legitimacy.. regardless of how many claim membership.

Were it not for the art and history,,I would prefer the abomination was removed from the earth.

I don't know if you are aware but in the Scandinavian countries the state and the church are the same thing.I think in Norway that the president is also head of their church and every child since birth is automatically part of the church.

presence
08-18-2012, 11:25 AM
Did you guys see the topless woman that protested this by cutting down a crucifix with a chainsaw?

/not making this up.

presence

fr33
08-18-2012, 11:47 AM
Did you guys see the topless woman that protested this by cutting down a crucifix with a chainsaw?

/not making this up.

presenceLink? Please?

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2012, 12:12 PM
I just posted an article about Pussy Riots music that contained much of there music (6 songs total - 2 songs MIA, one is just audio and not their video). For some reason it ended up as post 128 when it should have been this post.

Just saying go back and read/view. If you are here, you probably think you read everything on the last page of posts.

-t

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2012, 12:38 PM
Actually, I'm just going to quote it so it lands in the right place and people don't miss it...

-t



http://perezhilton.com/2012-08-17-pussy-riot-releases-new-song#.UC_BuqPud8E

Even though they gave the punk band a two-year prison sentence, the Russian government can't stop, won't stop Pussy Riot!

The girls released a brand new song called Putin Lights Up the Fire the SAME day they received the incredibly harsh prison sentence!

How's that for an "eff you" to the establishment they are continuing to challenge even while they're behind bars?

Obviously, the song's in Russian, so you most likely won't understand a word of it, but we understand the anger that radiates from their vocals.

The songs/video's:

“PUTIN SETS THE FIRES OF REVOLUTIONS”: (This is the one released yesterday)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjfRfMEA2_o

They have put out 5 other songs/videos - if anyone finds the rest, please post.

“RELEASE THE COBBLESTONES” <== Not found

“KROPOTKIN VODKA”: (This is the song, but not their video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOWvUuaUaCA

“DEATH TO PRISON, FREEDOM TO PROTESTS “:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmyZbJpYV0I

A youtube about this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n24qrJ-QzI0

“PROTESTS IN RUSSIA, PUTIN CHICKENED OUT” <== Not found

“HOLY MARY, DRIVE PUTIN AWAY” (This one was posted in this thread second vid in batch I posted. Here it is again):

The actual performance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FoJqzGG7u_k#!

The music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALS92big4TY

It's worth noting that at least some of the lyrics claimed in the Lew Rockwell blog piece were added after the performance at the church when the the forty seconds of performance morphed into a 1m 40s music video. Footage from a previous performance at a different church was mixed in and entirely new lyrics were added. What the Lew Rockwell blog claims was sung in the church, was not! A comparison of the actual performance and the music video makes this obvious, even if you don't understand Russian.

The Washington Post did an article on the groups music:

Pussy Riot: Handful of songs and videos that shook and polarized Russia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pussy-riot-5-songs-and-videos-that-shook-and-polarized-russia/2012/08/18/dd393d78-e943-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html?wp_login_redirect=0

They mention all six songs and do a brief writeup about them. They don't link to any of the video's and cherry pick lyrics for some that they say came from Pussy Riots blog - which they also fail to link to. What is interesting is that they describe where the performances took place and what happened, though there is heavy spin. You will have to register with the WP site if you want to read it. The 2 missing videos (well 3 - one posted above is just the audio, not PR's video) are out there, however. Can anyone find them?

-t

Hyperion
08-18-2012, 12:54 PM
Again,, The US government and Federal Reserve are Wholly Owned subsidiaries of the Rothschild Empire.
Have been since the early 1900s.

Follow the Money. (and don't stop at convenient intersections) All Roads lead to Rothschild.

No doubt that you are right on the money, but the US is essentially the sword of the Rothschilds.

pcosmar
08-18-2012, 12:57 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/russian-orthodox-church-forgives-pussy-riot-17033024#.UC_koW8xiOM

AngryCanadian
08-18-2012, 02:24 PM
The Protests in New York were organized by Amnesty international the protest went ahead right before even the verdict was reached and that says alot. The Moscow cathedral which The Free Pussy Riot entered and broke the law is an historical building.

The cathedral was destroyed by Stalin and his Goon Soviet forces. The church was rebuild later in the 90s and its one treasured and Favorited buildings among the Russian population.

Imagine if some group did something like this at the statue of liberty.

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2012, 03:24 PM
The Protests in New York were organized by Amnesty international the protest went ahead right before even the verdict was reached and that says alot. The Moscow cathedral which The Free Pussy Riot entered and broke the law is an historical building.

The cathedral was destroyed by Stalin and his Goon Soviet forces. The church was rebuild later in the 90s and its one treasured and Favorited buildings among the Russian population.

Imagine if some group did something like this at the statue of liberty.

Like this?

http://www.vvawai.org/archive/interventions/vieques-protest.html

November 6, 2000

Vieques - Hunger Striker Protests Test Bombing!

NEW YORK -- Eleven people were arrested Sunday after participating in a morning protest at the Statue of Liberty during which some of them held flags outside the crown and one protester climbed on top of the national landmark.

The demonstrations were in protest of the U.S. Navy's presence in Vieques, Puerto Rico. Many Puerto Ricans object to the Navy using an uninhabited part of the island for shelling exercises.

The protesters climbed the stairs of the statue to the top, where they hung two flags -- one of Puerto Rico, the other of the island of Vieques. They also carried a banner reading "Free Vieques."

Juan Casanos, a member of the group, said he and his colleagues entered the statue by ordinary means and simply climbed to the top.

Window broken, police say

The U.S. Park Police said a group of six people who ascended the statue to the observation area in the crown broke out a window, which one man climbed through before unfurling a Puerto Rican flag and the banner.

...

-t

UWDude
08-19-2012, 07:11 PM
I don't care. That isn't worth two years. Nobody was hurt at all. It should have been time served. And if Putin were smart, he would have leaned on the courts to make it time served. Russia looks like just another thug state now. "hooliganism" A crime worthy of two years in prison? Please.

Free Pussy Riot.

tangent4ronpaul
08-19-2012, 08:50 PM
The usual sentence is 15 days for "hooliganism"...

These girls have already server 5 months and are looking at an additional 2 years. :(

-t

BlackJack
08-19-2012, 08:53 PM
I don't care. That isn't worth two years. Nobody was hurt at all. It should have been time served. And if Putin were smart, he would have leaned on the courts to make it time served. Russia looks like just another thug state now. "hooliganism" A crime worthy of two years in prison? Please.

Free Pussy Riot.

Putin has always been corrupt. As long as fools like him are in the Russian govt, the state will never be free.

AngryCanadian
08-20-2012, 01:14 AM
I don't care. That isn't worth two years. Nobody was hurt at all. It should have been time served. And if Putin were smart, he would have leaned on the courts to make it time served. Russia looks like just another thug state now. "hooliganism" A crime worthy of two years in prison? Please.

Free Pussy Riot.

Germany has the same hooliganism laws has Russia does dont believe me look it up and No i dont support the otpor Free Pussy Riot i am amazed how easy people are fooled into supporting them.

They arent even a band had never written a song let only a soundtrack, these girls came from the opposition.


If they were protesting outside the church they wouldn't be arrested.

There are over 500 or more Russian Christian Churches yet these three wanted to get into the church that was destroyed by Stalin? why specifically that church? that was a wrong idea.

Bman
08-20-2012, 01:46 AM
Germany has the same hooliganism laws has Russia does dont believe me look it up and No i dont support the otpor Free Pussy Riot i am amazed how easy people are fooled into supporting them.

They arent even a band had never written a song let only a soundtrack, these girls came from the opposition.


If they were protesting outside the church they wouldn't be arrested.

There are over 500 or more Russian Christian Churches yet these three wanted to get into the church that was destroyed by Stalin? why specifically that church? that was a wrong idea.

Supporting them? No, more like supporting the idea that what they did is not a 2 year prison sentence.

Demigod
08-20-2012, 02:34 AM
Supporting them? No, more like supporting the idea that what they did is not a 2 year prison sentence.

Go do the same thing in Saint Peters Basilica in Rome and tell me how much you get.They perfectly knew what was going to happen.Maybe not 2 years but 6-12 months for sure mostly because they did it only for political purposes.

juleswin
08-20-2012, 06:44 AM
Go do the same thing in Saint Peters Basilica in Rome and tell me how much you get.They perfectly knew what was going to happen.Maybe not 2 years but 6-12 months for sure mostly because they did it only for political purposes.

Add to the fact that they have been doing this type stunts for 2yrs plus now. At some point you just have to send a message after so many warning.

sparebulb
08-20-2012, 08:56 AM
Putin has always been corrupt. As long as fools like him are in the Russian govt, the state will never be free.

There is way more economic freedom in Russia than here, for what its worth.

As far as corruption, would you like to see Russia return to the days when the government wasn't corrupt (/s) under the drunken Western stooge Yeltsin? Survey of Russians says no.

pcosmar
08-20-2012, 09:04 AM
Supporting them? No, more like supporting the idea that what they did is not a 2 year prison sentence.
^^^
This. Is my position as well.

NIU Students for Liberty
08-20-2012, 10:56 AM
I am utterly dismayed at the amount of people here who are in support of the 2 year sentence handed down. Regardless of whether or not you support these girls' political views, did their protest physically harm anyone or piece of property? As Ron Paul stated, "We don't have freedom of speech to talk about the weather."

I suggest you watch this video in which Christopher Hitchens defends David Irving's RIGHT to publish anti-semitic views. Obviously Hitchens didn't endorse those views but he threw his career on the line to criticize calls for censorship.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJxdEg6kFk

juleswin
08-20-2012, 12:08 PM
I am utterly dismayed at the amount of people here who are in support of the 2 year sentence handed down. Regardless of whether or not you support these girls' political views, did their protest physically harm anyone or piece of property? As Ron Paul stated, "We don't have freedom of speech to talk about the weather."

I suggest you watch this video in which Christopher Hitchens defends David Irving's RIGHT to publish anti-semitic views. Obviously Hitchens didn't endorse those views but he threw his career on the line to criticize calls for censorship.

Keyword is publish or even spoke out about his holocaust revisionism. These girls did not organize town halls and make speeches or even for that matter write articles criticizing Putin, they instead put on side shows/stunt in the public arenas with obscene and noisy sounds. They sometimes forcibly mouth to mouth kissed strangers and police. This went on for years before this final stunt at a National Cathedral.

I bet you Chris Hitchens wouldn't be supporting David Irvin if he had trespassed into the National Holocaust museum to make his revisionist holocaust speech. I think 2yrs is just about right for them, not a enough to make them a martyr and not enough to disrupt their lives. 2 yrs with time served and good behaviour will probably end up being about 1yr and that to me is very fair punishment.

NIU Students for Liberty
08-20-2012, 12:59 PM
I think 2yrs is just about right for them, not a enough to make them a martyr and not enough to disrupt their lives. 2 yrs with time served and good behaviour will probably end up being about 1yr and that to me is very fair punishment.

How about you go to prison for 2 years (a Russian prison no less) and see if it disrupts your life. Why do you even claim to support Ron Paul?

juleswin
08-20-2012, 01:45 PM
How about you go to prison for 2 years (a Russian prison no less) and see if it disrupts your life. Why do you even claim to support Ron Paul?

This might shock you but I do believe some offenses deserve jail time. Sexual assault of complete strangers, desecration of religious buildings (btw I am not religious), trespassing, disturbing the peace etc etc. Being a Ron Paul supporter doesn't mean you have to tolerate such non sense. Write an article, organize demonstrations, call town halls and spread your message in a less abrasive way.

Personally I believe this is exactly what they wanted, all the stunt they have been pulling the past 2yrs weren't enough to get them any press so they had to push the envelope and get arrested. They got what they wanted and that is massive publicity for their cause. If Putin was such an evil man, they could have disappeared them a long time ago, did someone say accidental CO poisoning while they slept?

Those assholes try that in my church and they will be lucky to walk out there alive.

juleswin
08-20-2012, 01:46 PM
double post

pcosmar
08-20-2012, 02:00 PM
(btw I am not religious),


Those assholes try that in my church and they will be lucky to walk out there alive.

:confused:

:(

This sentence was exceptional,, even for Russia, and intended to stifle dissent of Putin. Period.

This has nothing to do with Justice or Law..
It was intended to send a message that opposition would be crushed. Period.

juleswin
08-20-2012, 02:28 PM
:confused:

:(

This sentence was exceptional,, even for Russia, and intended to stifle dissent of Putin. Period.

This has nothing to do with Justice or Law..
It was intended to send a message that opposition would be crushed. Period.

I am struggling with my faith right now but I still try to attend regular Sunday services. And even if I wasn't going to church anymore, I still owe the church a great deal because it made me the person I am today (parents and family also played a big role). And my way of giving back is try and protect her from groups like Pussy riot who wish to make a mockery out of her.

I disagree with your second statement that this had nothing to do with justice or law. Sometimes dispensing the law overlaps with locking up the opposition. The opposition as long as I know are still free to express their descent via public demonstrations, TV, radio, internet and print. The only message it send to Russians is to keep your public demonstrations away from private places

pcosmar
08-20-2012, 02:35 PM
I am struggling with my faith right now but I still try to attend regular Sunday services. And even if I wasn't going to church anymore, I still owe the church a great deal because it made me the person I am today

Good, and I wish you the best.

but here is a clue.. Don't worship (or honor) a chunk of rock,, or a building made from them.

BlackJack
08-20-2012, 02:55 PM
There is way more economic freedom in Russia than here, for what its worth.

As far as corruption, would you like to see Russia return to the days when the government wasn't corrupt (/s) under the drunken Western stooge Yeltsin? Survey of Russians says no.

Sorry but when Russian reporters are turning up dead every few years, it's ligitimate to question whether the state is free or not. This is a perfect example.

hardrightedge
08-20-2012, 05:40 PM
Publicity stunt...prolly be out in 30 days and sell a ton of shitty music

Ender
08-20-2012, 06:56 PM
Pretty good POV on the LRC blog today:

NGO Lies, US Government Ties, and Pu**y Riot: Who Are the Real Monsters?
Posted by Daniel McAdams on August 20, 2012 06:19 PM

Funny how easy it is to fool people -- even some self-proclaimed libertarians -- into full-blown interventionism with a bit of snazzy propaganda and a "cause" to get behind. It seems like just yesterday the entire Western world -- with a few exceptions -- was in a panic over the inevitable world takeover by the evil John Kony, after a US government-connected "NGO" made a preposterous video about this theretofore forgotten warlord.

Witness the uproar over the "Pussy Riot" verdict, in which several members of an extremely distasteful protest collective calling themselves a "punk band" -- but apparently never having recorded any actual music -- were found to have been in violation of the law and were sentenced to jail.

They violated the sanctuary of the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow to blast a music player and chant vulgar lyrics at the faithful gathered in peaceful worship. Many Americans, apparently unaware of NDAA, drone strikes against Americans by their government, Obama's "kill lists," indefinite detention, PATRIOT Act, at least two active wars of aggression and several recently past and pending ones, warrantless wiretapping, and so on, have decided that a decision by the Russian courts to prosecute this invasion of a Russian church was the work of a single man, Vladimir Putin, who in so doing overshadowed in evil every item in the above list. It is a kind of mass-psychosis -- or perhaps something even more sinister, as Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin points out here.

What about private property? The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was rebuilt in the 1990s after being blown up by Stalin in the early anti-church crusades of the USSR. It was reconsecrated in the year 2000 and the reconstruction was privately financed by more than one million Russian citizens. I have seen several self-confessed libertarians discount this central tenet of the philosophy on the grounds that the Putin is evil and therefore any resistance is justified.

But who is pushing this Pussy Riot on us? What face is behind the propaganda? We have already seen more than a few US government ties to the organization and its supporters, including NED funding. We can see that its methods are straight out of Gene Sharp's CIA playbook for regime change. We see that the organization's logo is identical to those of the previous US-government funded regime change outfits.

We also see an interesting connection between the US government supported human rights NGOs and this crusade. Take Amnesty International USA, for example. Click onto their home page and you will be assaulted by image after image of Pussy Riot, begging for money to help support them, breathlessly launching campaign after campaign for the organization. Just who is in charge of Amnesty International USA? As the Voltaire Network first pointed out last year, this "independent" human rights organization is headed up by Suzanne Nossel, a former assistant to Richard Holbrooke in his capacity as UN Ambassador and until her appointment last year to Amnesty, Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs. Before that she worked for another US government connected organization, Human Rights Watch. Getting the picture? A public-private partnership for regime change under the cover of "human rights."

As former FBI agent Coleen Rowley points out in this important piece, organizations like Amnesty International act as a non-governmental front to push US government regime change policies.

From Rowley's piece:

Nossel would have worked for and with Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Samantha Power and Susan Rice, and undoubtedly helped them successfully implement their “Right to Protect (R2P)” – otherwise known as “humanitarian intervention” – as well as the newly created “Atrocity Prevention Board.

She was heavily involved in the lies told to the UN Human Rights Council to agitate for the eventual UN Security Council resolution that sealed the fate of Libya under a rain of NATO bombs and total destruction.

Yet again another international campaign is launched by the Potemkin Village of "NGOs" who are in fact shills for the US government interventionists on the Left and the Right. Monster after monster must be created to keep the machine rolling forward. Government must join with corrupted PR firms and the NGO world to dupe the population into screaming for the head of the monster of the month.

But who are the real monsters?

sparebulb
08-20-2012, 08:29 PM
Sorry but when Russian reporters are turning up dead every few years, it's ligitimate to question whether the state is free or not. This is a perfect example.

If you would reread, I wrote economic freedom.

ctiger2
08-20-2012, 08:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnghY8Fol8s

Bman
08-20-2012, 09:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnghY8Fol8s

Oh yippee! So Russia is becoming a Theocracy? Ha! If so can't wait to see how that turns out.

AngryCanadian
08-20-2012, 09:51 PM
Since everyone here or rather a few are willing to support them you might as well read the global and mail article which clearly shows bias's.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/why-pussy-riot-honours-the-struggles-of-women-everywhere/article4490370/



all I got this from article is that it highlights the struggles of journalists everywhere to try and have anyone hear what they have to say, and/or to make themselves relevant anymore.

That, and how rubbish can be fed upon to create more rubbish. It's the new "Madonna / Lady Gaga" way -- "outlandish" behavior to make a point, even if it is mostly about making yourself famous.

Got a problem with politics or the law? Well, then go make it in front of the politicians or the lawmakers. Don't use someone else's (essentially private) church.


See? the comments dont look very supportive.

tangent4ronpaul
08-20-2012, 09:52 PM
They arent even a band had never written a song let only a soundtrack, these girls came from the opposition.

Someone didn't read post 138...


There are over 500 or more Russian Christian Churches yet these three wanted to get into the church that was destroyed by Stalin? why specifically that church? that was a wrong idea.

Because one of the heads of that specific church said Putin was sent by God and the congregation should vote for him.


Add to the fact that they have been doing this type stunts for 2yrs plus now. At some point you just have to send a message after so many warning.

What warnings?


Keyword is publish or even spoke out about his holocaust revisionism. These girls did not organize town halls and make speeches or even for that matter write articles criticizing Putin, they instead put on side shows/stunt in the public arenas with obscene and noisy sounds. They sometimes forcibly mouth to mouth kissed strangers and police. This went on for years before this final stunt at a National Cathedral.

I bet you Chris Hitchens wouldn't be supporting David Irvin if he had trespassed into the National Holocaust museum to make his revisionist holocaust speech. I think 2yrs is just about right for them, not a enough to make them a martyr and not enough to disrupt their lives. 2 yrs with time served and good behaviour will probably end up being about 1yr and that to me is very fair punishment.

They have a blog somewhere and presumably did write articles about Putin.

First I've heard about the "forced mouth to mouth kisses", and I've been following this story.

What they have done has been effective. If we were half as effective, Paul would be the expected nominee right now.

I don't believe Russia gives you any credit for time served or good behavior.


Write an article, organize demonstrations, call town halls and spread your message in a less abrasive way.

Personally I believe this is exactly what they wanted, all the stunt they have been pulling the past 2yrs weren't enough to get them any press

Repeating something often enough does not make it true. Pussy Riot was formed in August of 2011. 8 months before the performance in the cathedral. They have not been around for 2 years.


:confused:

:(

This sentence was exceptional,, even for Russia, and intended to stifle dissent of Putin. Period.

This has nothing to do with Justice or Law..
It was intended to send a message that opposition would be crushed. Period.

^^QFT!


I disagree with your second statement that this had nothing to do with justice or law. Sometimes dispensing the law overlaps with locking up the opposition. The opposition as long as I know are still free to express their descent via public demonstrations, TV, radio, internet and print.

Spoken like a true neocon!

I guess you haven't been following the case closely at all. One of the main reasons they are demonstrating/performing is in protest to the outlawing of free speech and censorship of the Internet.


Good, and I wish you the best.

but here is a clue.. Don't worship (or honor) a chunk of rock,, or a building made from them.

Methinks someone has been reading the Gospel of Saint Thomas! ;)

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnghY8Fol8s

:rolleyes:

Is this guy even a real priest?

He even got the crime they were convicted of wrong - which was hooliganism. No one in Russia has ever served more than 15 days in jail for that crime before this.

Did stormfront put this video out? - WOW! What bigotry!

-t

tangent4ronpaul
08-21-2012, 05:28 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19330602

Pussy Riot court website up after hack attack

The website of a Moscow court that sentenced three members of Russian punk band Pussy Riot has suffered a hack attack.

The site of the Khamovnichesky District Court was defaced with anti-Vladimir Putin slogans and a video uploaded.

Three women were jailed on Friday for staging an anti-Putin protest in a Moscow cathedral in February.

In a message on the site, the attackers associated themselves with "hacktivist" group Anonymous.

"We are American group Anonymous. We don't forget and we don't forgive," said the post, in Russian.

"Justice system has to be transparent. Pussy [Riot's members] are alive," said another of the posts.

Hackers also uploaded a new song by Pussy Riot, called Putin is Lighting the Fires of the Revolution, and a video of a Bulgarian singer, Aziz.

A spokeswoman for the court said the attack had been discovered early on Tuesday and the site was temporarily taken down.

...

-t

Lucille
08-22-2012, 10:31 AM
Paul Craig Roberts: Pussy Riot, the Unfortunate Dupes of Amerikan Hegemony
http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts361.html


My heart goes out to the three Russian women who comprise the Russian rock band, Pussy Riot. They were brutally deceived and used by the Washington-financed NGOs that have infiltrated Russia. Pussy Riot was sent on a mission that was clearly illegal under statutory law.
[...]
Prior to the women's trial, Russian President Putin expressed his opinion that the women should not be harshly punished. Taking the cue from Putin, the judge gave the women, deceived and betrayed by the Amerikan-financed NGOs, two years instead of seven years.

I am advised that after six months, Putin will see that the women are released. But, of course, that would not serve the propaganda of the Amerikan Empire. The instructions to the Washington-financed fifth column in Russia will be to make any government leniency for Pussy Riot impossible.

Washington-organized protests, riots, property damage, assaults on state and religious images by Washington's Russian dupes will make it impossible for Putin to stand up to nationalist opinion and commute the sentences of the Pussy Riot women.

This is what Washington wants. As Washington continues to murder vast numbers of people around the globe, it will point its finger at the fate of Pussy Riot. The western bought-and-paid-for presstitute media will focus on Russia's evil, not on the evil of Washington, London, and the EU puppet states who are slaughtering Muslims by the bucket-full.

The disparity between human rights in the west and in the east is astonishing. When a Chinese trouble-maker sought protection from Washington, the Chinese "authoritarian" government allowed the person to leave for America. But when Julian Assange, who, unlike the presstitute western media, actually provides truthful information for the western peoples, was granted political asylum by Ecuador, Great (sic) Britain, bowing to the country's amerikan master, refused the obligatory free passage from the UK.

The UK government, unlike the Chinese government, doesn't mind violating international law, because it will be paid buckets of money by Washington for being a pariah state.