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better-dead-than-fed
08-16-2012, 12:39 PM
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alu1QaM0RZ-mCydWEDqsguZ2GK0C4vkdTxJnbaX5Ivg/pub

"Some states require membership in the state's bar association to practice law there." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_association) These associations are examples of government-granted monopolies. "A government-granted monopoly ... is a form of coercive monopoly by which a government grants exclusive privilege to a private individual or company to be the sole provider of a commodity...." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly)

"A coercive monopoly has very few incentives to keep prices low and may deliberately price gouge consumers by curtailing production.... Also, according to economist Murray Rothbard, 'a coercive monopolist will tend to perform his service badly and inefficiently.'..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercive_monopoly) See http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386219-How-is-the-Public-Served-by-Secrecy-in-the-Arizona-State-Bar.

How is the public served when the government grants exclusive privileges to bar assocations? Why should the public tolerate these monopolies?

tod evans
08-16-2012, 01:28 PM
Let me see, in order to change "The Law" regarding lawyers and the bar association a person would have to petition lawyers and effectively ask them to cut their own throat.

Somehow I just don't see this happening any time soon.............Although I like the idea.:cool:

Anti Federalist
08-16-2012, 01:30 PM
Why does the public tolerate gate rape at airports and SWAT raids that hand grenade people and shoot little girls in the head?

silverhandorder
08-16-2012, 01:31 PM
Most people try to stay away from any politics. Does not pay to care.

jmdrake
08-16-2012, 01:39 PM
Because lawyers help write those laws. Fox guarding the hen house. This particular monopoly wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the de facto power it gives the ABA. In order to sit for the bar in most states you have to attend an ABA accredited law school. Without that farce law school would be about 1/10 the price.

better-dead-than-fed
05-12-2013, 06:08 AM
Arizona Attorneys Against Corrupt Professional Regulation (AZAACPR)[1] has suggested that lawyers should be permitted to violate the Rules of Professional Conduct, as long as their victims complain about the violations.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/175w6QL0KuPj4wthty1x_Ti0c8jwW5I4xsnZfCA8zsRM/pub

economics102
05-12-2013, 07:21 AM
"Why Does the Public Tolerate" could be the beginning of a very long list of things...

Acala
05-12-2013, 08:38 AM
As with any government licensing scheme - doctors, pharmacists, hairdressers, massage therapists, and on and on - it is sold as protecting the public. In reality, of course, it is an entrance barrier to restrict competition and boost compensation.

Grubb556
05-12-2013, 09:02 AM
Think about the children !

or

They hate us for our freedoms.

FrankRep
05-12-2013, 09:03 AM
People tolerate a bunch of stuff they shouldn't tolerate.

Keith and stuff
05-12-2013, 09:41 AM
If you don't want to be represented by a member of the Bar, hirer someone that isn't part of it. I've seen it happen several times. Ther is no law that the person representing you has o be a part of the Bar, at least where I live. I am not sure what is being tolerated.

better-dead-than-fed
05-12-2013, 09:56 AM
If you don't want to be represented by a member of the Bar, hirer someone that isn't part of it. I've seen it happen several times. Ther is no law that the person representing you has o be a part of the Bar, at least where I live. I am not sure what is being tolerated.


no person shall practice law in this state or represent in any way that he or she may practice law in this state unless the person is an active member of the state bar.

Rules of The Supreme Court of Arizona (http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=AZR-1000), Rule V-A-31(b)


Some states require membership in the state's bar association to practice law there... at present in a slight majority of U.S. states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington State, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. The District of Columbia, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands also have unified bars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_association

osan
05-12-2013, 10:09 AM
Lessee... why do they tolerate it.... hmmm.... um... could it be that they are compulsively lazy, willfully ignorant, and hopelessly corrupt, statistically speaking?

This smells like another troll.

osan
05-12-2013, 10:11 AM
Think about the children !

or

They hate us for our freedoms.

Global warming...

Corporations...

Gay dolphins...

Czolgosz
05-12-2013, 10:17 AM
Why does the public tolerate gate rape at airports and SWAT raids that hand grenade people and shoot little girls in the head?

All have the same core reason.

better-dead-than-fed
05-12-2013, 10:23 AM
This smells like another troll.

So why'd you respond?

brandon
05-12-2013, 10:29 AM
Good question OP. Another question... in small district courts without prosecutors, why are police allowed to represent the state without being bar certified?

Keith and stuff
05-12-2013, 11:54 AM
Rules of The Supreme Court of Arizona (http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=AZR-1000), Rule V-A-31(b)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_association
Yeah, Wikipedia isn't always right. You do not need a lawyer to represent you in New Hampshire. Your friend or some random person is legally allowed to do it.

better-dead-than-fed
05-12-2013, 01:47 PM
Yeah, Wikipedia isn't always right. You do not need a lawyer to represent you in New Hampshire. Your friend or some random person is legally allowed to do it.

Must be nice.

thoughtomator
05-12-2013, 02:05 PM
People tolerate it for the same reason they tolerate fractional reserve banking - because they don't understand it, and therefore don't understand how they are being screwed.

heavenlyboy34
05-12-2013, 02:44 PM
People tolerate it for the same reason they tolerate fractional reserve banking - because they don't understand it, and therefore don't understand how they are being screwed.
And like the FED, the legal system is so highly specialized and complicated that the layman has no way of navigating it. More laws=less freedom. :(

Anti Federalist
05-12-2013, 03:13 PM
All have the same core reason.


Humanity is repugnant to freedom.

...

Acala
05-12-2013, 08:22 PM
If you don't want to be represented by a member of the Bar, hirer someone that isn't part of it. I've seen it happen several times. Ther is no law that the person representing you has o be a part of the Bar, at least where I live. I am not sure what is being tolerated.
In most states you need to be a member of the bar to appear in court on another's behalf. In Arizona, a non-lawyer can give legal advice and prepare documents but not appear in court.