DHS Classifies New Ammo Purchases Following Controversy

[John F Kennedy III]

DHS Classifies New Ammo Purchases Following Controversy

Federal agency blacks out amount of bullets being bought

Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com Wednesday, August 15, 2012

The Department of Homeland Security has redacted information relating to the quantity of bullets it is buying following a controversy concerning the agency’s purchase of over a billion rounds of ammo, which many fear is a sign the federal government is preparing for civil unrest in the United States.

Despite the fact that documents are only supposed to be redacted if authorized by Congress or for national security reasons, a solicitation posted on the FedBizOpps website yesterday concerning ammunition purchases made by the DHS on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) contains numerous blacked out sections.

The classified portions of the document include references to the amount of 223 62 and 223 64 grain ammunition being purchased.

The solicitation explains how the contract put out by the DHS to purchase the ammunition was not subject to “full and open competition,” a process justified by what the DHS claims was an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation which could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.

The Department of Homeland Security’s decision to black out sections of the document, including the number of bullets being purchased, is likely to be related to a massive controversy which has snowballed over the last few weeks pertaining to concerns as to why the federal agency has purchased well over a billion rounds of bullets over the last 6 months alone.

The DHS’ decision back in March to purchase of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollowpoint bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage prompted questions as to why the federal agency required such powerful bullets and in such large quantities merely for training purposes.

This was followed up by a more recent order for a further 750 million rounds of assorted ammunition, including bullets that can penetrate walls.

Given the fact that the DHS is also acquiring riot gear in preparation for civil unrest which could take place at the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration, the purchase of ammunition in such massive numbers has stoked fears that the federal government could be preparing to use force against the American people.

Rest of article here:

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-classifies-ammo-purchase-following-controversy/

[Dr.3D]

Hey, it's happening in Syria.... why couldn't it happen here?

[Kylie]

And I still have some people on other boards call me a conspiracy tinfoil hat wearing crazy.

Yeah, I'm nuts. No, there's nothing to see here. Move along mundane.

[kathy88]

I'm so glad Obamas promise of transparency has come to fruition.

[John F Kennedy III]

And I still have some people on other boards call me a conspiracy tinfoil hat wearing crazy.

Yeah, I'm nuts. No, there's nothing to see here. Move along mundane.

People on this board say I'm nuts. I don't even waste my time on other boards.

[Dr.3D]

One has to be nuts to question why these government branches are buying so much ammunition. Now with all of the questioning, they have decided it's best to keep their ammunition purchases confidential. Seems if there were nothing nefarious about those ammo purchases, they wouldn't decide to hide them.

[sparebulb]

Department of Homeland Security /s

[phill4paul]

Now the S.S. office is getting its share...

Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets .357....

http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/

[Dr.3D]

Now the S.S. office is getting its share...

Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets .357....

http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/
Wow, I guess they are worried some old folks are going to come gunning for them if they don't get their checks.

[donnay]

Wow, I guess they are worried some old folks are going to come gunning for them if they don't get their checks.


Their worried that we know there is no money in the vault just an IOU.

[Dr.3D]

Their worried that we know there is no money in the vault just an IOU.
Well, many suspect that, but until the Ponzi scheme blows up, they are content with getting their money. It's the discontent that they are probably afraid of.

[Anti Federalist]

OK, NOW you have my attention...

[trey4sports]

is this in response to Rand Paul tweeting that link? I think the fact that DHS has to be a bit more careful and lie just a bit more efficiently is a win in and of itself.

[Dr.3D]

Department of Homeland Security /s
More like Department of Government Security.

[Yieu]

If they were worried that it looks bad to make such large ammo purchases, why would they not realize that redacting it would only look more suspicious? Are they trying to make us think they're going to pull a Stalin on us? Because trying to hide it partially looks way more suspicious than just purchasing it or hiding it completely. It seems as though whoever made the decision to redact either was not very intelligent in thinking this would look less suspicious, or they wanted to send a message about their future intentions.

[donnay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lw64vE0HXQ&feature=player_embedded

[Anti Federalist]

If they were worried that it looks bad to make such large ammo purchases, why would they not realize that redacting it would only look more suspicious? Are they trying to make us think they're going to pull a Stalin on us? Because trying to hide it partially looks way more suspicious than just purchasing it or hiding it completely. It seems as though whoever made the decision to redact either was not very intelligent in thinking this would look less suspicious, or they wanted to send a message about their future intentions.

My thoughts exactly.

[Todd]

I once read that it can't be a conspiracy when it's written down. I downloaded the friggin' purchase order (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-purchase-another-750-million-rounds-of-ammo)DHS used for when it's lost in the memory hole.

[Yieu]

My thoughts exactly.

I often don't post these thoughts because it seems like common sense, but I did this time just in case, and because it doesn't seem too strange to call a spade a spade when it is this clear.

[Anti Federalist]

I often don't post these thoughts because it seems like common sense, but I did this time just in case, and because it doesn't seem to strange to call a spade a spade when it is this clear.

Sometimes it helps to clearly state even the obvious.

[Dr.3D]

If they were worried that it looks bad to make such large ammo purchases, why would they not realize that redacting it would only look more suspicious? Are they trying to make us think they're going to pull a Stalin on us? Because trying to hide it partially looks way more suspicious than just purchasing it or hiding it completely. It seems as though whoever made the decision to redact either was not very intelligent in thinking this would look less suspicious, or they wanted to send a message about their future intentions.

Perhaps they are not as smart as they think they are.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Perhaps they are not as smart as they think they are.

Perhaps because you can get in a lot less trouble for being a "well meaning idiot" than by being caught leaking shit to WikiLeaks...

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Look at the ammo list on this one.

http://presstv.com/usdetail/256408.html

The US government’s coming war with the American people

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120815/aht20120815153155560.jpg


At the same time politicians in Washington are openly talking about banning online ammo sales to American citizens, the government itself is arming to the teeth. And not in a military sense, either: The Department of Homeland Security is stockpiling insane quantities of anti-personnel “hollow-point” ammo of all calibers, including millions of tactical shotgun ammo, anti-personnel pistol rounds and match-grade .308 sniper rounds.



As the DHS fights no foreign wars and only has jurisdiction in the United States, the only purpose of this ammo can be for use against the American people.



As you can see for yourself, this DHS contract requests huge quantities of all the following ammunition (and much more):



• Over one million rounds of hollow-point .223 rifle ammo

• Over half a million rounds of non-hollow-point .223 rifle ammo

• 220,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #7 ammo (target ammo)

• Over 200,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun and buckshot ammo (tactical anti-personnel ammo)

• 66,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun slugs (tactical anti-personnel, anti-vehicle rounds)

• Over two million rounds of hollow-point .357 Sig JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)

• Over four million rounds of .40 S&W JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)

• Over 60,000 rounds of .308 match grade anti-personnel sniper rounds (BTHP)

• Plus, hundreds of thousands of additional rounds of .38 special, .45 auto, 9mm, 7.62×39 (AK rifle) ammo, and others.



This is on top of the massive 450 million .40 S&W hollow point rounds the DHS has already requisitioned.



The only rational conclusion: DHS is training a domestic army for war with the American people



There is only one rational conclusion to all this: The Department of Homeland Security is training a domestic army - an army of pedophiles, perverts, child porn distributors and drug dealers - to wage a shooting war with the American people.



What protestors, you ask? The protestors who will take to the streets immediately following the collapse of the global banking fraud, of course. And if that’s new information to you, you need to get ahead of the curve on real-time history in the making. The global banking cartel is based on a pyramid of total financial fraud, and it’s going to come crashing down within the next 24 months, according to some estimates (see Keiser, below). Imagine Chase, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs all bankrupt, their stock worth zero. Suffocated under endless trillions of fraudulent derivatives.



That’s what’s coming, it seems, and if you want the hard-hitting analysis of this situation, listen to this recent interview between Max Keiser and Alex Jones entitled, “We’re in A Financial Holocaust.”



The U.S. government clearly sees the writing on the wall. What lays ahead for America is a day of unbearable reckoning. The financial collapse will wipe out savings accounts, pensions, investment funds and equities of the working class, all across the nation. Imagine bank accounts being reset to zero, “bank holidays” enforced at gunpoint. That will unleash a wave of violent protests, social chaos and even talk of revolution. The government will almost certainly respond with a declaration of Martial Law, the rolling out of highway checkpoints, and before long, the use of live ammo on unruly protesters.



What’s happening behind the scenes in America right now is a massive armament build-up of epic proportions. The government itself is arming to the teeth, but at the same time, sales of guns and ammo to private citizens have smashed through all historical records. Ammunition prices are rising steadily and rifles, handguns and shotguns are out of stock everywhere. Gun manufacturers are running double and triple shifts in their own factories, trying to keep up with demand, and some have simply cancelled all new orders for the next few months until they get caught up.



I’ve even noticed myself getting caught up in the rush. Every time there’s another shooting in the USA, people like Obama, Bloomberg and Schumer call for gun restrictions, and I find myself immediately buying another firearm. Why? Because people want what they perceive will soon be unavailable. It’s basic human psychology.



That’s why many gun shops in the USA credit Obama as being “salesperson of the year.” Nobody has caused more guns to be sold to more U.S. citizens than President Obama. His power to cause citizens to arm themselves at breakneck speed is legendary. Every time he opens his mouth, it seems, citizens flood the gun shops with cash at the ready.



The result of all this is a massive nationwide escalation of firepower, and the potential for serious conflict on the issue of liberty versus government power. The government, of course, wants to control everything and turn citizens into obedient minions. Many citizens have a problem with that, and they demand a restoration of Constitutional liberties (which have been stripped away by nearly everyone in Washington, including Bush, Obama and yes, even the new VP candidate Paul Ryan, who voted for the NDAA).

-t

[LibertyRevolution]

450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollowpoint bullets...
311 million people in the US...

That is enough bullets to kill everyone and only need 70% accuracy.

Isn't that kinda scary?

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm so glad Obamas promise of transparency has come to fruition.

Four more years!

[KingNothing]

Their worried that we know there is no money in the vault just an IOU.

But I thought they fluoridated our water to keep us docile?
Maybe this ammo is to fend off the people who drink, bathe in, and cook with bottled water?

[tangent4ronpaul]

450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollowpoint bullets...
311 million people in the US...

That is enough bullets to kill everyone and only need 70% accuracy.

Isn't that kinda scary?

skip to 1:48


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE&feature=relmfu

-t

[Dr.3D]

But I thought they fluoridated our water to keep us docile?
Maybe this ammo is to fend off the people who drink, bathe in, and cook with bottled water?
Did you really think that or are you trying to pull our leg?

[pcosmar]

But I thought they fluoridated our water to keep us docile?
Maybe this ammo is to fend off the people who drink, bathe in, and cook with bottled water?

I have a clean well.

[shane77m]

I have a clean well.

The gubment will be wanting to cap those. Or slap a mandatory meter on them along with "chemicals" for your good health.

[Dr.3D]

I have a clean well.
So do I.

[shane77m]

We have a well. Unfortunately it is sulfur water and stinks badly.

[asurfaholic]

So this begs the question... Where are they keeping all this ammunition?

[tangent4ronpaul]

So this begs the question... Where are they keeping all this ammunition?

See post 8 for the link, that has a link to a spreadsheet. Ths is for the Social Security Administrations ammo buy. One would imagine DHS would similarly spread it across the country to it's facilities in major cities:


The synopsis to the solicitation adds that the ammunition is to be shipped to 41 locations within 60 days of purchase. A separate spreadsheet lists those locations, which include the Social Security headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland as well as major cities across the country including Los Angeles, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Denver, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle.

-t

[pcosmar]

So this begs the question... Where are they keeping all this ammunition?

You would need to check with the storage facility in whatever zone you are in.

I would expect to find some in the trunks of cars. ;)

[Anti Federalist]

• Over one million rounds of hollow-point .223 rifle ammo

IIRC HP rounds are still "illegal" for use in warfare.

Fuck me, War on Us.

[phill4paul]

So do I.


I have a clean well.

As do I. Agenda 21 pwns all r watrz.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

C'mon, everybody - this is just another stimulus program,

/s

[coastie]

The collapse is very near. I believe this is why they are arming themselves, to prepare for the hordes of Americans coming to yank there sorry asses out of those offices when the checks aren't printing anymore. That, or they are trying to tie up ammo manufacturers(that is working).

I was just at the SS office recently, and I noticed the sleeping geriatric guard had a .357 on his side. That's maybe why they ordered those, although I doubt anyone has anything to fear from these guys(I've been in this office twice in the past decade, same guard, always asleep-it's even a local joke in the area that he sleeps on duty).


I'm not too too worried about it, for several reasons.

1. This is America in 2012. DHS alone provides extremely shitty training practices to their people(6 of the 8 years I was in the CG was under DHS). Seriously, most couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a shotgun, let alone a paper target at 15 yds.

2. Most that do pass the basic qualification test barely do so, and a lot are "passed" anyway for being "so close".:confused::rolleyes:

3. Very few advance to take any kind of advanced tactical/combat shooting courses, and those that do, see #2.

4. I spent over $2000 on my own ammo and personal training with a combat pistol/shotgun/rifle course with a combat experienced Marine while I was in the CG...because we only shot to qualify once per year in the CG.:eek: If the shit went down while we were out there on a boarding, that didn't make me feel safe at all.

Stew on that....Federal Law Enforcement...once per year to qualify. Not train to shoot in scenarios-to qualify to carry the gun. Doubt me? Look at the very recent controversy over the US Air Marshall's not being able to pass their combat pistol course-and being allowed to carry anyway. Most people in these agencies are horribly out of shape and untrained. Hopefully they'll just realize this and load their trunks up with this ammo for redistribution to real patriots.;)



That said, I think it would be IMPOSSIBLE for "them" to do anything, even with all that ammo, there's simply not enough of them willing to go "all the way". Afghanistan and Iraq together have less non-military guns than we do-and look how that turned out. I can't fathom our military standing idly by while foreign troops came in to "assist" them in this, because that's what it would take....maybe the 7.62x39 ammo purchases are a clue there.

[Todd]

We have a well. Unfortunately it is sulfur water and stinks badly.

Get one of these.


Sulfur Guard™ Water Filter (http://www.kinetico.com/water-filter/)—These filters provide a turnkey remedy for handling foul smelling "rotten egg" water once and for all. Unlike other systems that use multiple treatment stages and are expensive, cumbersome and complex to maintain, with a Kinetico Sulfur Guard® Water Filter, there's not much to do but enjoy your water

[Pericles]

IIRC HP rounds are still "illegal" for use in warfare.

Fuck me, War on Us.

Correct, using HP rounds on combatants is a war crime. Remember that law enforcement, even when wearing uniforms, are non combatants under the Geneva Conventions. If law enforcement engage combatants, they have committed a war crime, and will be dealt with accordingly by the combatants.

[tod evans]

Correct, using HP rounds on combatants is a war crime. Remember that law enforcement, even when wearing uniforms, are non combatants under the Geneva Conventions. If law enforcement engage combatants, they have committed a war crime, and will be dealt with accordingly by the combatants.

Hollow points are regularly used in the wars on drugs and terror....

Wonder how well a suit brought before The Hauge would work?

[Pericles]

Hollow points are regularly used in the wars on drugs and terror....

Wonder how well a suit brought before The Hauge would work?

Cops are non combatants (civilians). Civilians can shoot each other with whatever they want to use. Combatants are subject to the laws of war. What is a combatant you may ask? The Conventions give the answer:

(1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) that of carrying arms openly;
(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
(3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a Government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
(4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civil members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany.
(5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions in international law.
(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

[osan]

If they were worried that it looks bad to make such large ammo purchases, why would they not realize that redacting it would only look more suspicious? Are they trying to make us think they're going to pull a Stalin on us? Because trying to hide it partially looks way more suspicious than just purchasing it or hiding it completely. It seems as though whoever made the decision to redact either was not very intelligent in thinking this would look less suspicious, or they wanted to send a message about their future intentions.

They are not worried about the appearances as you suggest. Rather, the endeavor for them. The ultimate strategic goal for any clued-in despot is to gain general acceptance of their despotism. Being innately capricious, the more completely the sheep can be trained to accept the most outrageously arbitrary, ridiculous, and absurdly unjust actions and mandates, the more solidly concrete becomes their rule.

This is just an example of that training. Inure the population to blatant, glaring insanity and you best ensure your hegemony.

[LibertyRevolution]

skip to 1:48


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE&feature=relmfu

-t

That is exactly what I was thinking at the time I posted.

I had wrote another line that said: "Plenty of ammo if they do it front lawn execution style, ala the gray state trailer."
I thought that was too far, so I edited it and removed it.

[Anti Federalist]

////

[Carson]

Source says government ammo purchase story a disinformation campaign

August 25, 2012
By: Anthony Martin

New information has been received indicating that the widely circulated story concerning a massive ammunition purchase by various civilian agencies of the federal government is part of a disinformation campaign designed to "smoke out" citizens who fear that the government is gearing up for a confrontation with the public.

The source is a trusted, well-placed informant who has significant contacts with government personnel and who has access to records which cast doubt on the story that the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security bought over 1.2 billion rounds of deadly hollow point ammo.

For obvious reasons the source must maintain anonymity.

At least some of the purchase orders for the ammo, according to the source...

Snip...


http://www.examiner.com/article/source-says-government-ammo-purchase-story-a-disinformation-campaign?CID=examiner_alerts_article

[osan]

Department of Homeland Security /s

Department of Despotic Control.

[pcosmar]

Snip...



The money shot

None of what the informant has reported can be independently verified.

The Requests for bids however were posted on secured Government Websites.
And verified by many.

[Dr.3D]

The money shot


The Requests for bids however were posted on secured Government Websites.
And verified by many.
Yeah, that pretty much puts the fan behind the BS... pretty soon everybody will catch wind of it.

[HOLLYWOOD]

It's all about the Fascist Propaganda of Corporate Media losing their control of the masses. All you have to do is google the domestic DHS ammo purchases and you won't see ANY Corporate Media reporting on this Hollow-Point Tyranny. "Lame Stream Media Cannot Control The Masses Anymore"

How the country is rigged by government and the lying bastards in corporate media are: Department of Propaganda.

We witnessed first hand last August how the DHS was funneling billions to NATO and the covert wars against Egypt, Libya, Lebanon, Syria... That house floor debate revealed how criminal the government insiders have become.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEaH6iKia8

[Carson]

The money shot


The Requests for bids however were posted on secured Government Websites.
And verified by many.

I hear you on the;

None of what the informant has reported can be independently verified.

But didn't the amounts and the stories as a whole seem pretty outlandish.

Oh yeah. Also it was an Examiner Story.

I still think when your weighing the facts in the future this bit of information, or even just the concept, could play a part in working out a truth.