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Anti Federalist
08-13-2012, 03:24 PM
This fellow is fast becoming one of my favorite writers, on both things political and automotive.


Why Do We Obey?

August 11, 2012
By eric

http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/08/11/why-do-we-obey/

If some random guy ordered you to submit to his will – or else – most of us would at least consider it assault. Many of us would try to escape – or defend ourselves. Very few would quietly submit. And almost no one would submit willingly.

But when exactly the same thing is done to us by a person wearing a uniform, most of us not only submit and obey – we do so without even questioning the rightness of the thing.

The uniform – and other totems of officialized authority – confer legitimacy upon the illegitimate. It is a startling thing. It reveals that most people are incapable of grasping the concept of a moral principle – that something which is wrong when committed by an unsanctioned individual is just as wrong when committed by a sanctioned individual – or a group of them.

If it is wrong to kill, then it is always wrong to kill. If it is wrong to steal, then it is always wrong to steal. Neither killing no theft nor any other intrinsically wrong act becomes not-wrong because it’s sanctioned, approved or euphemized by the state, or by a politician, or by a bureaucracy. Stalin reportedly once said that a single death is a tragedy, but a million deaths a statistic. Nothing could be further from the truth. A million single deaths is an atrocity – as much as a single individual death is a tragedy. And you are no less the victim of theft if the theft is done by a collective or its purported agent – under color of law, or via the ballot box.

Theft is theft. The essential nature of the thing is not altered by how it is done – or by whom.

There may be shades of grey in many aspects of life – but not when it comes to questions of basic morality. Your life is yours – and it follows that you are entitled by right to be at liberty. Else your life is not yours, but rather the chattel property of someone else – to whatever extent that other person (or persons) exercises control over your life, and against your will.

Similarly, it follows that if you own your life, then you also own the fruits of the labor of your body and mind, of that which is you. To say that random others – what collectivist psychopaths refer to as “society” – have a moral claim to the fruits of your labor is merely another way of saying you are owned, wholly or in part, to the extent you are forced by threat of violence to hand over the fruits of your body and of your mind. You are either free – or you are slightly more (or less) enslaved.

There is no in-between. It is impossible – a contradiction in terms.

A free man is beholden to none – except those he freely chooses to be beholden to. An enslaved man has no such free choice. He is beholden to whomever “society” – that is, to whomever wields political power over him – decrees. At best, he may plead to be slightly less enslaved, or to have the fruits of the labor of his body and mind forcibly distributed against his will to random strangers or groups of them, or projects or causes, he finds somewhat less disagreeable. But he cannot refuse; he is not permitted to say no. He is bound by a “social contract” he never signed, by consent he never gave. By debts and obligations assumed on his behalf by people he has never met, much less entrusted with proxy power.

In a word, he is a slave. The question is merely of the degree to which he is enslaved – and to what extent he is aware of his condition.

The system we have – that we suffer daily – cannot permit people to think along such lines, of course – because it would be its undoing.

Instead, people are conditioned – from infancy and not just by the state, but by everything all around them – to accept that the immoral can be transmuted into the moral via the miracle of group assent, or the fiction thereof. That murder and theft are not merely permissible but acceptable when they are performed by people wearing special outfits, who have been anointed in some way by a group.

In this way, the outrageous becomes all right. Most men worthy of the title would tell another man to go pound sand if he told them to “buckle up for safety.” And they’d punch him in the nose if he pursued the issue. But when the order-barker is wearing a uniform, most men’s testicles seem to shrivel – and they submit and obey. They quail before The Law. They do as they are told. But that is understandable. When one is facing an armed opponent – one armed with an army – it is foolish bravado to do other than submit and obey.

What is troubling is their acceptance of servility – of the implicit rightness (alleged) of what is done to them. And – much worse – of what they often do to one another. Rather than see the thing clearly, for what it is – and rebel in mind and spirit at least – the representative specimen will not only agree that it is all right – he will often insist the same (and worse) things be done to his fellow man. He is told what to do, therefore he will tell others what to do. His life is not his own, therefore, he will make damn sure no one else’s life is their own, either. He is forced to hand over his property, the fruit of the labor of his body and mind? Damn straight others will, too.

The great tragedy of our time is not that human liberty is dying. It is that so many of us are willing accomplices in its murder. All too many fail to chafe at what is being to others because they fail to grasp that it is thereby done to them as well. Or will be, in time. That it is our mutual interest as human beings to defend human liberty, everywhere and always.

Freedom is in fact free. It is collectivism – authoritarianism – whose costs are incalculable.

Throw it in the Woods?

tod evans
08-13-2012, 03:26 PM
4- stars!

phill4paul
08-13-2012, 03:36 PM
4- stars!

I gave it a 5. :) Throw it in the woods. Like my old malfunctioning P.O.S. push mower. The one that took longer to get started than it took to mow the lawn. Into the woods.

Cowlesy
08-13-2012, 03:42 PM
In a letter to George Orwell, I think Aldous Huxley nailed a sentiment I see more and more and agree with to some point.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hyponosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisifed by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eight-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. -- Aldous Huxley to George Orwell, 21 October, 1949; Wrightwood. Cal.

Czolgosz
08-13-2012, 03:44 PM
To answer the question; because if I rebel, not one will stand with me and fight.

heavenlyboy34
08-13-2012, 04:26 PM
w00t! 5-star article. AF is going anarcho-capitalist on us. :D :cool: ;)

torchbearer
08-13-2012, 04:50 PM
In a letter to George Orwell, I think Aldous Huxley nailed a sentiment I see more and more and agree with to some point.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hyponosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisifed by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eight-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. -- Aldous Huxley to George Orwell, 21 October, 1949; Wrightwood. Cal.


Huxeley is correct.
because as long as people have cable tv and A/C, they aren't going to put their lives on the line for shit.

heavenlyboy34
08-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Huxeley is correct.
because as long as people have cable tv and A/C, they aren't going to put their lives on the line for shit.
That^^ Bread and circuses keeps the people docile.

torchbearer
08-13-2012, 04:55 PM
That^^ Bread and circuses keeps the people docile.

I'm starting to rub off on my fellow techs at the office. all but one guy is now convinced that they have no choice in the presidential election.
but i don't think any of them would go the extra mile to do something about it. i challenged them on this point and they rebuke me, but as long as they have their comforts they aren't going to fight/die for any ideas.

mad cow
08-13-2012, 05:03 PM
We obey because we don't want to be killed,thrown in prison or forfeit our assets.

torchbearer
08-13-2012, 05:17 PM
We obey because we don't want to be killed,thrown in prison or forfeit our assets.

we obey out of fear.
great quote from star wars 4" a new hope.

http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/e/e2/Tarkin.jpg

The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.

"we do not rule by force, but by the fear of force"

Cowlesy
08-13-2012, 05:39 PM
That^^ Bread and circuses keeps the people docile.

Or SOMA.

"Two to three grammes you won't give a damn"

ghengis86
08-13-2012, 05:42 PM
Or SOMA.

"Two to three grammes you won't give a damn"

Yep. Your doctor will provide you a choice of any one of a cocktail of 'legal' drugs. SOMA indeed.

heavenlyboy34
08-13-2012, 05:49 PM
we obey out of fear.
great quote from star wars 4" a new hope.

http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/e/e2/Tarkin.jpg

The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.


"we do not rule by force, but by the fear of force"
Classic. Well-played, sir. :cool:

angelatc
08-13-2012, 05:54 PM
In a letter to George Orwell, I think Aldous Huxley nailed a sentiment I see more and more and agree with to some point.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hyponosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisifed by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eight-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. -- Aldous Huxley to George Orwell, 21 October, 1949; Wrightwood. Cal.

Heh. Flipping around the channels a few nights ago, we came across some old Candid Camera clips. It struck me, and DH agreed, that the people were a lot more spirited in the 50's than they are now.

For example, on one of the old Allen Funt clips, a NYC housewife (probably in her 50's) went to a shoestore because there was a sign that said "Shoes $1." When she got there, she was told that she'd have to check all their other locations to find a mate for her dollar shoe. She had no qualms telling them how stupid that idea was, how stupid they were for trying to explain it, how she would smack her son if he were that stupid...and she did it all with that nuanced backhanded New York compliment-style.

On one of the newer clips, a Bakery in New York put a sign up that said "We don't give change." People thought it meant no quarters for dollars, but when they paid, the retailer rounded up to the nearest dollar. All of them looked surprised, but none of them outright objected to the outright rip-off.

It made us sad.

Anti Federalist
08-13-2012, 06:10 PM
True, this.

It could be any number of factors causing this, but, the fact that people in general are more docile and compliant now, is not arguable.


Heh. Flipping around the channels a few nights ago, we came across some old Candid Camera clips. It struck me, and DH agreed, that the people were a lot more spirited in the 50's than they are now.

For example, on one of the old Allen Funt clips, a NYC housewife (probably in her 50's) went to a shoestore because there was a sign that said "Shoes $1." When she got there, she was told that she'd have to check all their other locations to find a mate for her dollar shoe. She had no qualms telling them how stupid that idea was, how stupid they were for trying to explain it, how she would smack her son if he were that stupid...and she did it all with that nuanced backhanded New York compliment-style.

On one of the newer clips, a Bakery in New York put a sign up that said "We don't give change." People thought it meant no quarters for dollars, but when they paid, the retailer rounded up to the nearest dollar. All of them looked surprised, but none of them outright objected to the outright rip-off.

It made us sad.

tod evans
08-13-2012, 06:13 PM
True, this.

It could be any number of factors causing this, but, the fact that people in general are more docile and compliant now, is not arguable.

I'm firmly in the camp that believes much of this docility comes from media exposure.

Those I know who have spurned television and embraced books generally have a different mind-set.

Anti Federalist
08-13-2012, 06:16 PM
w00t! 5-star article. AF is going anarcho-capitalist on us. :D :cool: ;)

You know I've always had one foot in that square.

;)

QuickZ06
08-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Great article. Someone posted a video in the comments section on a German getting pulled over by a cop. Cop was telling him he will get raped for wreck-less driving and said listen here BOY, that boy crap really rustles my feather too.

better-dead-than-fed
08-14-2012, 10:50 AM
We obey because we don't want to be killed,thrown in prison or forfeit our assets.
Those threats lose their power over persons already doomed. (E.g., "Some of the victims are still living, but they are doomed....", http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?385863-Agreement-Among-Public-Officials-to-Violate-the-Law).

Most people are motivated by the fear of being robbed, restrained, and killed by the government; but people functioning on that level could be motivated just as well by the fear of being robbed, restrained, and killed by civilians.

To answer the question; because if I rebel, not one will stand with me and fight.
So for the time being, rebellion is the business of those willing to stand alone and lose a fight for the greater good.