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PierzStyx
08-01-2012, 12:36 PM
Ready for your daily dose of Orwell?

"The “War On Terror” Has Changed, and Not One In 1,000 Americans Has Noticed
Posted on July 31, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
What You Should Know about this “Unthinkable” Development…

In George Orwell’s novel 1984, the country of Oceania has been in a war against Eurasia for years.

Oceania suddenly switches sides, naming Eastasia as its enemy and making its mortal enemy, Eurasia, its new ally.

The government uses propaganda to convince people that, “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia”. The dumbed-down public doesn’t even notice that they’ve switches sides, and blindly rallies around Eurasia as its perennial friend and ally.

The same thing is happening in real life with Al Qaeda.

Western governments and mainstream media have admitted that Al Qaeda is fighting against the secular Syrian government, and that the West is supporting the Syrian opposition … which is helping Al Qaeda.

Similarly, the opposition which overthrew Libya’s Gadaffi was mainly Al Qaeda … and they now appear to be in control of Libya (and are instrumental in fighting in Syria.)

The U.S. also funds terrorist groups within Iran.

Of course, Al Qaeda was blamed for 9/11, and the entire decades-long “War on Terror” was premised on rooting out Al Qaeda and related groups.

So the fact that we now consider Al Qaeda fighters to be allies in any way, shape or form is positively Orwellian.

Remember, as Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser admitted on CNN, we organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of “Al Qaeda” in the 1970s to fight the Soviets. (he also told the Senate in 2007 that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”. )

As professor of strategy at the Naval War College and former National Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer John R. Schindler documents, the U.S. supported Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda terrorists in Bosnia.

But obviously we lost control and they turned against us … and then it took us years to hunt down and kill Bin Laden. Right?

Maybe, but:

The CIA commander in charge of the capture of Bin Laden during the invasion of Afghanistan said that the U.S. let Bin Laden escape from Afghanistan

A retired Colonel and Fox News military analyst said:

“We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty — which is huge in the world of intelligence — that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world’s best hunters/killers — Seal Team 6 — nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it ….Unbelievably, and in my opinion, criminally, we did not kill Usama bin Laden.”

French soldiers insist that they easily could have captured or killed Bin Laden, but that the American commanders stopped them

A United States Congressman claims that the Bush administration intentionally let Bin Laden escape in order to justify the Iraq war

The shenanigans started even before 9/11:

The Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11 discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here by the Co-Chair of the Joint Inquiry and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham; and see this Newsweek article).

Attacks on the Twin Towers with planes were foreseen for years, but the U.S. did nothing to stop them.

The government not only listened in on Bin Laden’s calls, they also heard the hijackers’ plans from their own mouths.

A high-level military intelligence officer says that his unit – tasked with tracking Bin Laden prior to 9/11 – was pulled off the task, and their warnings that the World Trade Center and Pentagon were being targeted were ignored

Several key employees for the defense department say that the government covered up their testimony about tracking Mohammed Atta before 9/11

A key Al Qaeda trainer actually worked with the Green Berets and the CIA and was an FBI informant

The CIA may have helped many of the 9/11 hijackers get their visas to the U.S.

Indeed:

According to one of the most reputable French papers, CIA agents met with Bin Laden two months before 9/11, when he was already wanted for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole

Sibel Edmonds – former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice’s Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible – alleges that Osama Bin Laden worked for the U.S. right up until 9/11, and that that fact is being covered up because the US outsourced terror operations to al Qaeda and the Taliban for many years

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia …"



Of course the main article has links supporting its points, in text. So visit the main article: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia-allies-with-al-qaeda.html

PierzStyx
08-01-2012, 03:20 PM
Bumpity bump because I think this stuff is important to understand.

ExPatPaki
08-01-2012, 03:27 PM
Good article, and there's a lot more stuff on Syria on the web regarding the shady groups operating there.

Here's another article describing how the Taliban is happy that the NATO supply lines have been re-opened by Pakistan, because this gives them millions of dollars (indirect US taxpayer money)

Taliban cheers reopening of NATO supply routes
(http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/07/31/taliban_cheers_reopening_of_nato_supply_routes_cou nts_cash)


"Stopping these supplies caused us real trouble," a Taliban commander who leads about 60 insurgents in eastern Ghazni province told The Associated Press in an interview. "Earnings dropped down pretty badly. Therefore the rebellion was not as strong as we had planned."

A second Taliban commander who controls several dozen fighters in southern Kandahar province said the money from security companies was a key source of financing for the insurgency, which uses it to pay fighters and buy weapons, ammunition and other supplies.

"We are able to make money in bundles," the commander told the AP by telephone. "Therefore, the NATO supply is very important for us."

jmdrake
08-01-2012, 03:28 PM
Bumpity bump because I think this stuff is important to understand.

Many of us understand it, but have grown weary of explaining it to those who don't. Forget conspiracy "theories". The conspiracy fact is the U.S. government has used and is using Al Qaeda for its own purposes. Why then is there even any debate about 9/11? How is a government that would turn around and ally with a group responsible for killing 3,000 Americans any less evil than a government that would actually participate in killing 3,000 Americans?

sailingaway
08-01-2012, 03:33 PM
Does that mean they are going to take out section 1022 of NDAA?

PierzStyx
08-02-2012, 10:50 PM
Many of us understand it, but have grown weary of explaining it to those who don't. Forget conspiracy "theories". The conspiracy fact is the U.S. government has used and is using Al Qaeda for its own purposes. Why then is there even any debate about 9/11? How is a government that would turn around and ally with a group responsible for killing 3,000 Americans any less evil than a government that would actually participate in killing 3,000 Americans?

You know your last point, about how can the the US ally with al-Qaeda and not be any less evil, VERY good point. Whether a person is a "truther" or not, that point alone should unite both sides in opposition to this policy.

Anti Federalist
08-02-2012, 11:15 PM
Many of us understand it, but have grown weary of explaining it to those who don't. Forget conspiracy "theories". The conspiracy fact is the U.S. government has used and is using Al Qaeda for its own purposes. Why then is there even any debate about 9/11? How is a government that would turn around and ally with a group responsible for killing 3,000 Americans any less evil than a government that would actually participate in killing 3,000 Americans?

My god, you read my mind.

"Al Qaeda" was created by the US government, was trained by the US government, was funded by the US government, was armed by the US government, took its orders from the US government, and still does to this day.

This is all public record and a matter of fact, not conjecture or "conspiracy theory".

Weary isn't how I would put it.

Sick to death and fucking tired of continually being called nuts, and kooks and to GTFO out of a "movement" that we (meaning disbelievers of the government's explanation and timeline of the events surrounding 9/11), to a great degree started, is how I would put it.

NewRightLibertarian
08-02-2012, 11:22 PM
Sick to death and fucking tired of continually being called nuts, and kooks and to GTFO out of a "movement" that we, to a great degree started, is how I would put it.

Clearly, drumming the most passionate & dedicated activists out of a movement is how you achieve victory. Anyone who disagrees is some kind of a crank

Anti Federalist
08-02-2012, 11:23 PM
Clearly, drumming the most passionate & dedicated activists out of a movement is how you achieve victory. Anyone who disagrees is some kind of a crank

Let's not forget sticking your head in the sand (or other dark place) about matters of historical fact.

Anti Federalist
08-02-2012, 11:26 PM
ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran

Brian Ross and Christopher Isham
ABC News

Wednesday April 4, 2007

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/040407Secret.htm

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.
U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.

Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.

Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.

The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.

"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

"Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.

Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.

Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.

They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.

The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.

A CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.

Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.

A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.

Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.

BucksforPaul
08-02-2012, 11:46 PM
Everyone in this thread has been reported for offending the sensibilities of the "mainstream" voters. Don't you all know that we are trying to win an election so inconvenient truths are not allowed? Besides, since this is not being reported by the "media" then it must not be true and y'all are a bunch of delusional tin foil wearing conspiracy fools. Those of you who believe that the sanctions on obvious truths may be lifted when Dr. Paul retires in November is also wrong because then it will be Rand's turn and we don't want to hurt his chances by discussing truths. /s

WhistlinDave
08-02-2012, 11:47 PM
I remember when they were those "brave Afghani Freedom Fighters" who fought off the Soviets with our help and training. Now after their reign of terror it seems we have come full circle. They are our freedom fighters once again. Wonderful how this shit works.