Another Olympic athlete banned for "racist" twitter remarks.

[Anti Federalist]

Swiss soccer player banned from Olympics for racist tweet

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/soccer/story/2012-07-30/swiss-athlete-banned-michel-morganella-olympics/56591966/1

LONDON - Twitter is proving lethal for some Olympic athletes.

Less than a week into the 2012 London Olympics and already two athletes have been expelled for racially charged messages. Monday, the Swiss Olympic Committee bounced soccer player Michel Morganella, 23, after his offensive comment following Switzerland's 2-1 loss to South Korea a day earlier.

Translated from French, Morganella's tweet said he wanted to beat up South Koreans, that they should "burn" and that they were a "bunch of mongoloids."

Last week, Greek triple jumper Voula Papachristou, a right-wing political supporter, was expelled by Greek athletic officials after she mocked African immigrants.

Offensive remarks are in breach of the International Olympic Committee's code of ethics.

In Morganella's case, he "discriminated against, insulted and violated the dignit" (sic) of the South Korean team, as well as the nation's citizens, Swiss committee chief Gian Gilli said Monday in a statement at a news conference.

Gilli said Morganella willingly accepted the punishment. His Twitter account has already been deleted.

"Michel indeed does realize that his behavior was wrong," Gilli added. "We hope that he will draw the necessary lessons for his still-young football career.''

(Yeah, keep your mouth shut in these weird politically correct times with everybody walking around with a stick up their asses about everything, and don't put anything out on Twatter or FedBook under your real name. - AF)

Morganella attempted to apologize on Twitter in French and English, trying to explain that he made his comments in the heat of defeat.

Luis Milla, Spain's soccer coach, said athletes are entitled to their opinions, but "people in the sports world when they tweet, they have to be respectful.''

Two American divers, David Boudia and Nick McCrory, said they are mindful of the potential dangers.

"Everyone sees it — it's not like you can say something and delete it right away,'' Boudia said. "It's going to be found. You just have to be careful of what you want to say and how your message is going to come across. Ten years down the road, they're going to look back at that."

Said McCrory: "If you wouldn't say it in an interview, you probably shouldn't tweet it. That's my rule of my thumb. Social media guidelines are the same as social guidelines. There are things you do and don't say."

Fans are becoming exceedingly wary, too. Sam Quinton, 21, of Woodford, England, said he recently deleted his Twitter account. But he said, "Twitter is something (many athletes) use every day. Suddenly, when they're being looked at by so many people, their opinions get scrutinized even more.''

[Anti Federalist]

"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality statute."

[heavenlyboy34]

Hey, citizen-don't you know that un-PC language is speechcrime? ;)

[Seraphim]

UN Constitution:

You have the freedom to do as we say.

[specsaregood]

Well he shouldn't have said he wanted to beat them up or burn them; but I don't think it is technically racist. Do they have any non-mongoloids on their team?

[James Madison]

Ironic given the Olympics were resurrected in 1896 as part of the Golden Age of Eugenics.

[phill4paul]

Probably why Devo wasn't a part of the opening festivities...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2tZqXWa7no

[XTreat]

Mongoloid is a scientific term. It is one of the five races on earth. Its not racist, its science.

[ShaneEnochs]

Mongoloid is a scientific term. It is one of the five races on earth. Its not racist, its science.

Lulz

[QuickZ06]

This is why I chew Orbit gum all the time, cleans my dirty mouth right up in these PC days.

[specsaregood]

Lulz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race


Mongoloid[1] is a term sometimes used by forensic anthropologists and physical anthropologists to refer to populations that share certain phenotypic traits such as epicanthic fold and shovel-shaped incisors and other physical traits common in East Asia, Southeast Asia, North Asia, Central Asia, the Americas and the Arctic. The word is formed by the base word "Mongol" and the suffix "-oid" which means "resembling". It was introduced by early Racial science primarily to describe various central and east Asian populations, one of the proposed three major races of human kind. Forensic anthropologists continue to use them in some contexts, outside of physical anthropology the term mongoloid is now often considered derogatory'

[Bruno]

Forensic anthropologists are racists!

[phill4paul]

Forensic anthropologists are racists!

SturmForensic!

[Demigod]

Probably why Devo wasn't a part of the opening festivities...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2tZqXWa7no

Have you seen Ex-Drummer ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo_MZEPRDVs

[MelissaWV]

Mongoloid is a scientific term. It is one of the five races on earth. Its not racist, its science.

I'm curious as to what you believe the other four are.

[jmdrake]

Mongoloid is a scientific term. It is one of the five races on earth. Its not racist, its science.

The context is racist just like the context of certain "La Raza" leaders saying they look forward to seeing white people die off is racist. That said, I'm not from Switzerland so I don't give a flip about some Swiss athlete who hasn't figured out yet that he shouldn't tweet every stupid thought that goes through his brain.

[phill4paul]

Have you seen Ex-Drummer ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo_MZEPRDVs

I have not. It seems worth the check though. Sounds full of lols.

Plot

In Ostend three handicapped musicians are looking for a drummer for their band, consisting entirely of disabled people. They want to perform only one time at a music competition. They want famous writer Dries to be their drummer and his handicap is the fact that he cannot play the drums. They only plan on mastering one song; Devo's "Mongoloid."
For Dries this is an opportunity to get some inspiration for a new novel and he accepts the offer. The band members decide to call the band The Feminists, because four handicapped musicians are just as worthless as a group of feminists. In the contest they have to compete against the band Harry Mulisch, also led by a writer with the nickname Dikke Lul (fat cock in English).
As the story goes on Dries becomes more and more obsessed by his new novel and he tries to manipulate the band members and tries to find their weak spot.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

The security measures that London is putting its citizens through during the Olympics is probably a bigger concern.

[kpitcher]

It's a private organization, shouldn't they be allowed to do to their employees - or contestants - as they want?

[jkr]

"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality statute."
THIS!

[anaconda]

The athletes should all boycott the Olympics, declaring that they are a propaganda tool of the nation states, and subvert individual liberty.

Having said that, let me get back to watching the gymnastics and swimming...

[phill4paul]

The athletes should all boycott the Olympics, declaring that they are a propaganda tool of the nation states, and subvert individual liberty.

Having said that, let me get back to watching the gymnastics and swimming...

Admittedly, that would be > awesome. What a 'slap up side of the head' to the those in power.
Unfortunately, ain't NO way.

[juleswin]

Just wondering, how is this any different from the NFL banning or fining a player for personal misconduct? What I cannot understand is why any of these athletes think we give a fuck what they have to say? Way to show your bad sportsmanship.

Or different from Ronpaulforums banning people for trolling, private organization with set rules, abide by the rules or get kicked out. Its that simple mates

[MelissaWV]

Just wondering, how is this any different from the NFL banning or fining a player for personal misconduct? What I cannot understand is why any of these athletes think we give a fuck what they have to say? Way to show your bad sportsmanship.

Or different from Ronpaulforums banning people for trolling, private organization with set rules, abide by the rules or get kicked out. Its that simple mates

I would be interested to see the morality clauses in those contracts.

[heavenlyboy34]

Mongoloid is a scientific term. It is one of the five races on earth. Its not racist, its science.
I tried to tell that to eduardo a month or so ago. He said it's an outdated term in science. According to the Free dictionary, he's right:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mongoloid
Mon·gol·oid (mhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/obreve.gifnghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-loidhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gif, mhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/obreve.gifnhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif-)adj.1. Anthropology Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones and including peoples indigenous to central and eastern Asia. See Usage Note at race (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/race)1.
2. Characteristic of or resembling a Mongol.
3. also mongoloid Offensive Of or relating to Down syndrome.

n.1. Anthropology A member of the Mongoloid racial classification.
2. also mongoloid Offensive A person affected with Down syndrome.

[heavenlyboy34]

"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality statute."
Shit, I forget what movie that's from. I just saw the clip the other day, too. /facepalm:toady:

[juleswin]

I would be interested to see the morality clauses in those contracts.

Me too but you will think posting tweets like that would be against anyone's morality code especially after what happened to the Greek runner

[QuickZ06]

Shit, I forget what movie that's from. I just saw the clip the other day, too. /facepalm:toady:

Demolition Man, excellent movie.

[tod evans]

And yet another person falls to the "convicted of typing bad stuff" regulations...

Well come-n-get me..........I'd like to be Vlad and have the authority to sentence each and every PC lawmaker as I saw fit..:eek:

[MelissaWV]

And yet another person falls to the "convicted of typing bad stuff" regulations...

Well come-n-get me..........I'd like to be Vlad and have the authority to sentence each and every PC lawmaker as I saw fit..:eek:

Someone's been arrested?

There is a difference between being banned from participating in the Olympics, and legislation overseeing your every Tweet.

[juleswin]

And yet another person falls to the "convicted of typing bad stuff" regulations...

Well come-n-get me..........I'd like to be Vlad and have the authority to sentence each and every PC lawmaker as I saw fit..:eek:

Oh the irony of complaining about other people monitoring athlete's tweets from a forum that has moderators whose job is to monitor what people type and to ban people who step out of line.

[Revolution9]

Admittedly, that would be > awesome. What a 'slap up side of the head' to the those in power.
Unfortunately, ain't NO way.

They would end up with folks competing in the 500 meter mosey and pretend they were the worlds fastest runners just to keep their boat afloat.

Rev9

[Nickels]

UN Constitution:

You have the freedom to do as we say.

Olympics is owned by UN?

[tod evans]

Someone's been arrested?

There is a difference between being banned from participating in the Olympics, and legislation overseeing your every Tweet.

Poor choice of words on my part....

The "court of public opinion" and political correctness seem like a bad mix to me.

[Weston White]

Olympics is owned by UN?

Might as well be, most of America's parks, forests, lakes, rivers, wildlife, oceans, military, and Congress already are.

[John F Kennedy III]

Ironic given the Olympics were resurrected in 1896 as part of the Golden Age of Eugenics.

I must know more please.

[jmdrake]

I tried to tell that to eduardo a month or so ago. He said it's an outdated term in science. According to the Free dictionary, he's right:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mongoloid
Mon·gol·oid (mhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/obreve.gifnghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-loidhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gif, mhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/obreve.gifnhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif-)adj.1. Anthropology Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones and including peoples indigenous to central and eastern Asia. See Usage Note at race (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/race)1.
2. Characteristic of or resembling a Mongol.
3. also mongoloid Offensive Of or relating to Down syndrome.

n.1. Anthropology A member of the Mongoloid racial classification.
2. also mongoloid Offensive A person affected with Down syndrome.

John Down, the person who first diagnosed down syndrome, used the term "mongoloid" because he felt the facial features resembled Mongolians.

See: http://downsyndrome.com/history-of-down-syndrome/

Side note, I was once at a lecture by black panther Bobby Seale. He gave an interesting story were Huey P. Newton in his anthropology class brought up the question "Why is everybody who's not white called an 'oid'? You have negroid, mongoloid and caucasian. Why aren't the whites caucasoids?" ;) I guess people who don't recognize race at all are "noids".

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QTA4z9i9CAQ/TLUSK3iE8MI/AAAAAAAACgY/NsJrPdhABuM/s1600/NoidPin.jpg

[XTreat]

John Down, the person who first diagnosed down syndrome, used the term "mongoloid" because he felt the facial features resembled Mongolians.

See: http://downsyndrome.com/history-of-down-syndrome/

Side note, I was once at a lecture by black panther Bobby Seale. He gave an interesting story were Huey P. Newton in his anthropology class brought up the question "Why is everybody who's not white called an 'oid'? You have negroid, mongoloid and caucasian. Why aren't the whites caucasoids?" ;) I guess people who don't recognize race at all are "noids"

They are.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Caucasoid

[brooks009]

On a side note - How stupid do you have to be to make a racist comment on twitter when you are a Olympic athlete?

[tod evans]

On a side note - How stupid do you have to be to make a racist comment on twitter when you are a Olympic athlete?

Is Mensa sponsoring Olympic events now?

Athletes have never been known for their intellectual prowess...

[brooks009]

Is Mensa sponsoring Olympic events now?

Athletes have never been known for their intellectual prowess...

Yeah but we are talking Forest Gump stupid. I guess a lot of them do like to run...

[jmdrake]

They are.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Caucasoid

Yep. Now they are. A victory for political correctness. ;) Huey Newton would be proud.

[Nickels]

http://i.imgur.com/9jE8b.jpg

[BlackTerrel]

(Yeah, keep your mouth shut in these weird politically correct times with everybody walking around with a stick up their asses about everything, and don't put anything out on Twatter or FedBook under your real name. - AF)

Whereas you believe it is perfectly fine to say that Koreans should burn?

Seems like an odd spot to pick a PC fight.

[BlackTerrel]

And yet another person falls to the "convicted of typing bad stuff" regulations...

Well come-n-get me..........I'd like to be Vlad and have the authority to sentence each and every PC lawmaker as I saw fit..:eek:

He wasn't convicted. He lost work due to the fact that he wanted to see Koreans burn.

Most of us here would lose our jobs for the same thing.

[tod evans]

He wasn't convicted. He lost work due to the fact that he wanted to see Koreans burn.

Most of us here would lose our jobs for the same thing.

People who choose to work for companies that have policies restricting "off-duty" social behavior are different to me than national athletes.

These folks worked and trained their physical bodies in order to compete world wide, I for one would hope that they harbor some animosity towards their competition.

Maybe there's some sort of agreement signed by the teams to not talk shit about one another but to disqualify some dude for typing derogatory statements seems kinda out there.

[realtonygoodwin]

You neglected to bold the part of the definition that said :

"outside of physical anthropology the term mongoloid is now often considered derogatory"

[BlackTerrel]

These folks worked and trained their physical bodies in order to compete world wide, I for one would hope that they harbor some animosity towards their competition.

Maybe there's some sort of agreement signed by the teams to not talk shit about one another but to disqualify some dude for typing derogatory statements seems kinda out there.

You're making this out to be so benign. He didn't just "harbor animosity" or "talk shit" - both of which would be ok. He said that another group of human beings should be burned. That's not competition - that's outright hate and wishing harm to a group of people.

Why do I feel there is a double standard among groups on this forum? Put it this way: Say that Kobe Bryant had said "Iranians are a bunch of terrorists... I hope they burn".

Do you really think we'd have a 47 post thread where 90% of the comments supported Kobe Bryant? I sure as hell don't. We'd have a 100 post thread talking about what an evil monster Kobe was.

Some groups are OK to hate.

[BlackTerrel]

You neglected to bold the part of the definition that said :

"outside of physical anthropology the term mongoloid is now often considered derogatory"

It's funny how far people will go to defend a point even though deep down they know they are wrong. This guy is clearly not a physical anthropologist and he clearly meant it in a derogatory way (which is why he followed it up by wishing these people would "burn").

Anyone really think this guy is some sort of scientist? Really?

[tod evans]

You're making this out to be so benign. He didn't just "harbor animosity" or "talk shit" - both of which would be ok. He said that another group of human beings should be burned. That's not competition - that's outright hate and wishing harm to a group of people.

Why do I feel there is a double standard among groups on this forum? Put it this way: Say that Kobe Bryant had said "Iranians are a bunch of terrorists... I hope they burn".

Do you really think we'd have a 47 post thread where 90% of the comments supported Kobe Bryant? I sure as hell don't. We'd have a 100 post thread talking about what an evil monster Kobe was.

Some groups are OK to hate.

I don't have any idea who Kobe Bryant is? Probably because I don't watch TV or pay attention to sports.

If this huge racial faux-pas wasn't posted on RPF I'd have had no idea it had even happened.

My whole point is that I can't see folks getting in an uproar over what somebody types in cyber-ink..

This whole idea of condemning someone because they express their views about nationalities or races is foreign to me, I base my opinions on my own experiences not "The-News" or even what I read about on RPF.

Based on my own experiences "Our-Government" has earned my ire, included in that group is everyone who draws a check from the public coffers from the welfare mother to the defense contractor, prison guards to supreme court judges...They're all lumped together in my little mind as members of "The-Government".

[presence]

I'm curious as to what you believe the other four are.

When race is divided into 5 "simple" categories the groups are usually:

Caucasoid,
Mongoloid,
Australoid,
Congoid (commonly Negroid)
Capoid

but racial taxonomy is a very debated topic.

[Tinnuhana]

I read an article many years back that said there were 26 (or 29...I forget) distinct racial groups. One reason the term "caucasian" may have been used was because of the caucasus mtns, from which the term was taken. Since "mongolian" was already descriptive of a national entity, the "oid" ending common in science was probably used. Not saying the racist undertones were not present; just giving a possible explanation.

[Liberty74]

Socialists are anti-free speech.

[juleswin]

Socialists are anti-free speech.

Again, its not about free speech. They are policing their members speech just like Ronpaulforums is policing their members speech. Riddle me this Batman, why is it ok for NFL, ronpaulforum or any other private organization to police their members public speech but not the Olympic teams? Its not a God given right to be an Olympian, and if you have problems with their code of conduct, you can leave and go form your own private games and have whatever lax speech laws they want

Private org policing speech doesn't make one a socialist

[BlackTerrel]

I don't have any idea who Kobe Bryant is? Probably because I don't watch TV or pay attention to sports.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaL_BDAeqA


If this huge racial faux-pas wasn't posted on RPF I'd have had no idea it had even happened.

Ditto. This is the first I heard of it.


My whole point is that I can't see folks getting in an uproar over what somebody types in cyber-ink..

You're making my point exactly. I don't give a shit about what this dude types and I wouldn't care much either way if he was banned.

What I do think is bullshit is 50 posts so upset because a guy who wants Koreans to "burn" was banned. We're so outraged that a guy who hates Koreans was condemned. I understand being indifferent about some dude none of us have heard of. I don't understand being outraged that he was banned.

[MelissaWV]

When race is divided into 5 "simple" categories the groups are usually:

Caucasoid,
Mongoloid,
Australoid,
Congoid (commonly Negroid)
Capoid

but racial taxonomy is a very debated topic.

Yeah, that's why I asked. I've heard all manner of divisions put forth, and really most of them are perfectly valid classification methods that eventually present the same difficulties (how to categorize members with characteristics of multiple groups). Racial classifications really only get their reinforcement from culture, not science. Everyone is convinced Halle Berry, Tiger Woods, and Obama all belong in the "black" category, etc..