Shooter Holmes was being treated by schizophrenia specialist

[Brian4Liberty]

Who woulda thunk?

And when will his list of prescriptions come out?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-treated-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html


Shooting suspect James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was a first-year graduate student in neuroscience, according to court documents released Friday. His psychiatrist, Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU's medical school and the director of student mental health services, specializes in schizophrenia, according to her online biography.

[Working Poor]

it is so sad...all of it.

[AuH20]

Jesus. Let him speak to the independent media for Christ's sake. Preferably not on a cocktail of exotic drugs.

[Brian4Liberty]

Jesus. Let him speak to the independent media for Christ's sake. Preferably not on a cocktail of exotic drugs.

He's probably on more drugs now than he was before. The jail doctors will turn him into a zombie.

[Brian4Liberty]

it is so sad...all of it.

You got that right.

[donnay]

And so it goes...

I am sure his name will be added to the list: SSRI Stories (http://ssristories.com/)

[LibertyEagle]

If he's schizophrenic, he's taking something other than an SSRI.

[QueenB4Liberty]

If he's schizophrenic, he's taking something other than an SSRI.

And I'm guessing Vicodin wasn't the only thing in his system that night.

[LibertyEagle]

And I'm guessing Vicodin wasn't the only thing in his system that night.

Huh? Is that all that showed up in his tests?

[QueenB4Liberty]

I don't know. That's what I heard. I never saw an article though.

[Bruno]

Huh? Is that all that showed up in his tests?

No test results, just his odd crime-scene-day admission of "I am the Joker. I am a cannabis user and have taken Vicodin. Can I now have a lawyer?"

[LibertyEagle]

It's a good point though. Because with his dilated pupils, he's on something now.

[newbitech]

so this article...

Shooting suspect James Holmes was treated by CU psychiatrist

Shooting suspect James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was a first-year graduate student in neuroscience (http://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/18th_Judicial_District/18th_Courts/12CR1522/2012-07-27 12CR1522 Motion D11.pdf), according to court documents released Friday. His psychiatrist, Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU's medical school and the director of student mental health services, specializes in schizophrenia, according to her online biography. The filing didn't disclose how long Holmes had been seeing Fenton, or for what condition, if any, he was being treated.

So bullshit.

This was a defense motion for discovery. The defense is claiming Dr. patient privilege. This professor he was seeing was at the same school he is going to. I bet the evidence was not obtained illegally. I doubt he was being treated for mental illness.

[angelatc]

If he's schizophrenic, he's taking something other than an SSRI.

He's just the right age, too.

[newbitech]

He's just the right age, too.

My brothers onset was a lot sooner than 24. He had his first episode when he was 19. I think 24 is old for first signs to appear.

[donnay]

If he's schizophrenic, he's taking something other than an SSRI.

PSYCHOTROPIC MEDICATIONS LIST
http://www.cncplan.com/psychotropic%20medications%20list.htm

[angelatc]

My brothers onset was a lot sooner than 24. He had his first episode when he was 19. I think 24 is old for first signs to appear.

I had to look and see, because I don't know much about it. Your brother got it at the peak, but it looks like officially, most men get it before age 30. There's a chart here, (http://schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm)and it's on the internet so it has to be true. :D

How is your brother doing?

[newbitech]

he's doing great. He works (when people can tolerate him), he has his own place, has his own lifestyle, it's taken him almost 15 years to learn to deal with it.

I don't think this guy is a schizophrenic. You are right, it can onset at any time really. However, this action by this guy appears to be out of the blue. People who knew him would have seen it before his rampage, especially being a student of neuroscience and being around people who are curious about neurology, which is the science that schizophrenia falls under.

From my experience, schizophrenic don't lash out at random people. They lash out at family and friends. The best way I can describe the violence, there are literally 2 or more worlds in the the mind. One of them being the real world. The mind cannot distinguish between the two. So a loved one or someone who cares trying to help the mind through the issue (whether the person helping knows of the illness or not), can be seen as an enemy in the other world.

So like I would be telling my brother to fight his demons in his mind, those same demons in his mind will be telling him to fight me. The violence is acted out in frustration more than anything. The delusions grow and grow and grow and intertwine and warp and fold into each other and in between worlds even. It takes time to build up those delusions, but once they become entrenched, it is hard to shake them. But they can be untangled and related to the real world. This is what my brother has been able to accomplish.

BTW, I happen to know that A LOT of mental patients "get" Ron Paul.

Anyways, this Holmes guy is a sick puppy and schizophrenia is a catch all diagnosis that often means "we don't know wtf is wrong" with him.



Schizophrenia and Violence (http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/schizophrenia-and-violence/)By NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MENTAL HEALTH


News and entertainment media tend to link mental illness and criminal violence; however, studies indicate that except for those persons with a record of criminal violence before becoming ill, and those with substance abuse or alcohol problems, people with schizophrenia (http://psychcentral.com/disorders/schizophrenia/) are not especially prone to violence.
Most individuals with schizophrenia are not violent; more typically, they are withdrawn and prefer to be left alone. Most violent crimes are not committed by persons with schizophrenia, and most persons with schizophrenia do not commit violent crimes.

Substance abuse significantly raises the rate of violence in people with schizophrenia but also in people who do not have any mental illness. People with paranoid and psychotic symptoms, which can become worse if medications (http://psychcentral.com/drugs/)
are discontinued, may also be at higher risk for violent behavior. When violence does occur, it is most frequently targeted at family members and friends, and more often takes place at home.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/schizophrenia-and-violence/


(http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/schizophrenia-and-violence/)

[Agorism]

angelatc - that chart is not all new onsets though. I'm sure most of those are repeats.

[newbitech]

uhmm, I know of quite a few of these movies on this list.

but there is one that really jumped out at me.

Schizophrenia Movies, Films and Documentaries

Revolution #9
– A schizophrenia film that accurately depicts the torment experienced by a young man, Jackson, as he descends into the depths of the devastating mental disorder. Jackson hasparanoid delusions (http://www.healthyplace.com/thought-disorders/schizophrenia-information/what-is-paranoid-schizophrenia-symptoms-causes-treatments/)
that his girlfriend’s nephew is communicating with him by sending mysterious and disturbing messages via the Internet. Once diagnosed, the man insists that everyone in his life, including his doctor have collaborated in a conspiracy to destroy him. He refuses to take his medication and rejects those who love and care for him.

http://www.healthyplace.com/thought-disorders/schizophrenia-movies-and-people/schizophrenia-movies-films-and-documentaries/

[angelatc]

angelatc - that chart is not all new onsets though. I'm sure most of those are repeats.

Everything I know about schizophrenia I learned on Law & Order, so I'm certainly not going to argue. Well, maybe about the inevitable assertion that the patients shouldn't take medication to control it.....

[angelatc]

uhmm, I know of quite a few of these movies on this list.

but there is one that really jumped out at me.

Schizophrenia Movies, Films and Documentaries


Jackson has
paranoid delusions (http://www.healthyplace.com/thought-disorders/schizophrenia-information/what-is-paranoid-schizophrenia-symptoms-causes-treatments/)
that his girlfriend’s nephew is communicating with him by sending mysterious and disturbing messages via the Internet. Once diagnosed, the man insists that everyone in his life, including his doctor have collaborated in a conspiracy to destroy him. He refuses to take his medication and rejects those who love and care for him.


http://www.healthyplace.com/thought-disorders/schizophrenia-movies-and-people/schizophrenia-movies-films-and-documentaries/

Didn't David Berkowitz (Google Son of Sam, kiddies) claim that a dog was giving him messages?

[RonRules]

Of course donnay would join that thread. I've invited "Indy Vidual" who espouses natural schizophrenic medcation to the Anti-Vax thread.

I think it would be best if they could all converge on the Anti-Vax thread and keep the science prominent here.

I did predict the day after the shooting that it would be 'discoved" (the obvious) that the guy is schizophrenic. I also predict that he STOPPED taking his meds.

Not that in the court room, after the first appearance, the guards were asked if he was on mental medication and they said NO.

To me that explains it. Typical age to turn schizo, was probably on meds for a few months. He didn't like it, he stopped and went totally nuts.

Don't need complex conspiracies involving the Illuminati here.

[donnay]

Psychoactive Drugs Are the Cause of Most Mental Illness.

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2011-10-30/psychoactive-drugs-are-the-cause-of-most-mental-illness/

[RonRules]

Psychoactive Drugs Are the Cause of Most Mental Illness.

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2011-10-30/psychoactive-drugs-are-the-cause-of-most-mental-illness/

NO.

Again: show me a good, large, real double-blind placebo controlled study before you post more crap for "gaia-health.com"

[donnay]

NO.

Again: show me a good, large, real double-blind placebo controlled study before you post more crap for "gaia-health.com"

YES!

Vitamin and mineral deficiencies cause mental imbalances.


In the early 1950's, Abram Hoffer conducted the first double-blind studies for the treatment of schizophrenia using nutrients. Hoffer headed up a team of 30 researchers in four mental hospitals and three psychiatric wards in Saskatchewan. Tommy Douglas, (Premier at that time) sanctioned the extensive nutritional research for schizophrenia along with financial help from the Rockefeller Foundation.

Initial success with using niacin soon grew into a considerable body of eight double-blind clinical trials. In these early trials, patients' recovery rates doubled from 35% to an astonishing 70%. Some attempted to repeat the studies and failed due to poor methodology, but when Hoffer's protocols were followed, as they were in the National Institute of Medicine study, the doubling of recovery rates was confirmed.

Orthomolecular treatments are inexpensive, safe and effective and can be included with medication to optimize outcomes. People can get well, though Hoffer cautions that those with chronic schizophrenia may take longer to show measurable progress. However, they can still improve over time.

In his book Mental Health Regained, 18 personal stories of recovery are documented by Dr. Hoffer. Success stories are told from those afflicted with disorders such as ADHD, Schizo-Affective Disorder, Bipolar Disorder and Paranoid Schizophrenia. One person (let's call him RM), said he was "rescued from madness" through Dr. Hoffer's protocols. RM was hearing voices and became paranoid. Within a month, he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He was also suffering from migraines. He replaced sugar, white flour, and junk food with a healthy, holistic diet. As a result, he has been free of the symptoms of schizophrenia for over 30 years. RM works as an A/V technician and is writing a motion picture. He is married and has a daughter.

RM recovered from serious mental illness by following the advice of Dr. Hoffer.

To this day he continues to take many of the nutrients he initially was prescribed such as niacin, Vitamin C, zinc gluconate, thiamin, fish oils and Vitamin E. According to Dr. Hoffer, without the orthomolecular treatment, RM would likely be ill to this day, living a poor quality of life instead of a rich one. Such patients may still have occasional set backs, but it doesn't have to mean they are doomed. They can continue to progress and get well.

http://www.orthomolecular.com/?ctr=article&act=show&id=37

More sources:
http://www.schizophrenia.org/haze.html
http://www.schizophrenia.org/menu-vitamins.html
http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/32/10/390.full
http://www.wddty.com/schizophrenia-and-diet.html
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news-archive/2009/vitamin-d-and-schizophrenia/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/357432-nutrition-schizophrenia/
http://www.orthomolecular.com/?ctr=article&act=show&id=37

[Brian4Liberty]

My brothers onset was a lot sooner than 24. He had his first episode when he was 19. I think 24 is old for first signs to appear.

Hope your brother is doing well.

This is probably a good time to emphasize that we can not generalize or collectivise about "schizophrenics". It is a very small percentage that are actually dangerous to others.

[tttppp]

Everything I know about schizophrenia I learned on Law & Order, so I'm certainly not going to argue. Well, maybe about the inevitable assertion that the patients shouldn't take medication to control it.....

Then you probably know as much about it as any psychiatrist. Seriously.

These medications are incredibly dangerous. You are far more likely to commit violence because of side effects of meds than you are from not being on meds. Doctors do not understand this. They think no side effect justifies not taking a medication.

[Weston White]

This was a defense motion for discovery. The defense is claiming Dr. patient privilege. This professor he was seeing was at the same school he is going to. I bet the evidence was not obtained illegally. I doubt he was being treated for mental illness.

"James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was a first-year graduate student in neuroscience... His psychiatrist professor, Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU's medical school and the director of student mental health services ..."

Yup, I bet he was seeing her each school day right around third-period -for class.

[donnay]

Colorado Batman shooting: judge prevents release of James Holmes school records

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9431817/Colorado-Batman-shooting-judge-prevents-release-of-James-Holmes-school-records.html

Much speculation surrounding the 24-year-old's possible motive in gunning down 12 people and wounding 58 more at a screening of Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises," has focused on his time studying neuroscience at the school.

School documents are usually available under the Colorado Open Records Act, but District Court Judge William Silvester cited a provision that bars the public from viewing open records "prohibited by ... the order of any court.

[Revolution9]

Didn't David Berkowitz (Google Son of Sam, kiddies) claim that a dog was giving him messages?

It is also now known he did not act alone and IIRC was involved in mind control experiments. The mind control is less sure in my mind but I do know for a fact there was more than one shooter.

Rev9

[pcgame]

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[pcosmar]

If he's schizophrenic, he's taking something other than an SSRI.

If he wasn't before the Mind Fuck he may be one now.

:(

[UtahApocalypse]

"James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was a first-year graduate student in neuroscience... His psychiatrist professor, Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU's medical school and the director of student mental health services ..."

Yup, I bet he was seeing her each school day right around third-period -for class.

Wouldn't having a patient as your student be a serious conflict of interest, and also unacceptable to a medical board? So id she was really his Dr. and not just teacher she might as well turn in her licence and get ready to lose both her jobs.

[pcosmar]

Wouldn't having a patient as your student be a serious conflict of interest, and also unacceptable to a medical board? So id she was really his Dr. and not just teacher she might as well turn in her licence and get ready to lose both her jobs.
You mistakenly believe that there is some standard of ethics.

Though MK Ultra was a Government Program,, It involved Research Institutes, Doctors (Psyche) and the Pharmaceutical Industry.

None have ever been prosecuted.

Here is your ethical profession,
http://www.highestfive.com/mind/5-unethical-psych-experiments/

[awake]

Toldja!

[MelissaWV]

Female shrink...

Wonder what she looked like...

Wonder what kind of relationship that was...

Wonder why he seemed to be mostly shooting at women...

*shrugs* Possibilities abound, but I just don't see the cops investigating that deeply.

[pcosmar]

Toldja!

I suspected.. as did many others.
I voiced my suspicions.

Where are those that support "the official Story" ? now that the Official story has more holes than Swiss Cheese.

[MelissaWV]

I suspected.. as did many others.
I voiced my suspicions.

Where are those that support "the official Story" ? now that the Official story has more holes than Swiss Cheese.

No more holes than most Government-related conspiracy theories at the moment. The difference is that if the holes in the conspiracy theory narrative narrowed, and the lone gunman narrative opened, I would change my mind. If it happens the other way around, it will be because the Government was just tying up loose ends.

Moreover, I would be curious to see a list of victims. The actual dead were: 4 female, 8 male. Of those, 3-4 men allegedly took bullets to save their girlfriends/wives. When I go through the list of serious injuries that were released, I see a lot of women that sustained direct gunshot wounds and that were sitting near enough that it's likely they could be identified as such. I see two pregnant women. I might be entirely off-base, but there are more than enough odd observations to go around... and as many explanations.

[brandon]

Surprise Surprise. The psuedo-science of psychiatry strikes again.

[Bruno]

I am guessing she is not that good of a psychiatrist.

Oops,, too soon?

[pcosmar]

I am guessing she is not that good of a psychiatrist.

Oops,, too soon?

Or perhaps she was..

"working as intended"
:(

[angelatc]

He replaced sugar, white flour, and junk food with a healthy, holistic diet. As a result, he has been free of the symptoms of schizophrenia for over 30 years. RM works as an A/V technician and is writing a motion picture. He is married and has a daughter.

RM recovered from serious mental illness by following the advice of Dr. Hoffer.



This does not prove anything. According to all the links you provided, a significant percentage of schizophrenia patients only suffer one episode in their life. In order to "prove" that it can be cured by eating berries, the study would have to have a 100% success rate. Which it does not.

[awake]

People who say 'he must have been on drugs' don't know how correct they actually are: The legal ones! The ones for which we speak no evil of. The Psychiatry field prescribes drugs from which more psychiatrists are needed after a complete failure of "catching" an "adverse event" such as the Batman shooter. It's a create your own demand cycle. But what do you expect from the state sponsored mind doctors? They will talk with you for a while then perscribe...nearly every time. The fear of not catching and treating the next mass shooter tends that they over diagnose and perscribe - 'just in case'. Medical doctors do the same to protect from legal malpractice...

There is a disturbing pattern of the mass violence events and psychotropic drugs. Look through some the of the history of it... (http://www.ssristories.com/)

[thoughtomator]

Mental illness is largely a side effect of the proliferation of the pill cult of psychiatric "medicine" and its bastard sister, social work. IIRC Loughner was also at the tender mercies of a professional witch doctor as well.

[Working Poor]

Mental illness is largely a side effect of the proliferation of the pill cult of psychiatric "medicine" and its bastard sister, social work. IIRC Loughner was also at the tender mercies of a professional witch doctor as well.

Hey don't try to discredit witch doctors real witch doctors would never uses those drug to treat a patient.

[tmg19103]

What I find interesting is that it has been reported this was mailed to the shrink and received in the college mail room before the shooting and the shrink states she states she did not receive it - it remained in the college mail room.

If this was mailed before the shooting with intent for the shrink to get it, one would assume the shrink would report it to authorities as required by law since it depicted violent acts if she received it.

The shrink called the police about receiving a mailing that may have been from Holmes after the shooting, but it turned out not to be from him. So the police just decided to search the mail room and found this incriminating "notebook" address to the shrink but never delivered.

My take is either the police planted this "notebook" Holmes allegedly mailed to the shrink, or the shrink had received it before the shooting sent by Holmes and did nothing about it when the law requires her to do, so she put it back in the mail room after the shooting and said she never got it to cover her tracks.

Third option is it just got lost in the mail room and sat there, but what are the odds of that given the alternatives?

[awake]

Economics is understanding the consequences of human actions. Psychiatry is the understanding of how the mind works. Economists recommending inflation, price controls and making certain exchanges illegal to help the economy are the same as psychiatrists who prescribe any variety of mind altering drugs as an attempt to control mental illness. Both should know better then to pretend to understand their respective fields. For if they did truly understand their realm of knowledge, they would understand to leave well enough alone when they don't understand the entire gamut of consequences of what they are doing, or worse, ignoring the consequences.

Knowledge is power; those who pretend to have knowledge seek power for power sake. Exercising power without knowledge is simply harm to others.

[moostraks]

Mental illness is largely a side effect of the proliferation of the pill cult of psychiatric "medicine" and its bastard sister, social work.

so true....so you are depressed because you are having a problem that would cause most people to exhibit a sad response, here let me help you, then person goes on to have fits of rage because these voodoo doctors have no idea how the individual person's own chemical structure will react to these cocktails. (lest I offend someone's delicate senses let me be specific the following statement reflects my direct and extensive experience with licensed psychiatrists) Psych doctors are a disgrace to the medical field...Blood letting was more accurate than what these folks practice.

[donnay]

“Many children have suffered harmful side effects from using psychotropic drugs. Some of the possible side effects include mania, violence, dependence and weight gain. Yet, parents are already being threatened with child abuse charges if they resist efforts to drug their children. Imagine how much easier it will be to drug children against their parents’ wishes if a federally-funded mental-health screener makes the recommendation.” – RON PAUL

http://www.cchrint.org/

[Brian4Liberty]

What I find interesting is that it has been reported this was mailed to the shrink and received in the college mail room before the shooting and the shrink states she states she did not receive it - it remained in the college mail room.

If this was mailed before the shooting with intent for the shrink to get it, one would assume the shrink would report it to authorities as required by law since it depicted violent acts if she received it.

The shrink called the police about receiving a mailing that may have been from Holmes after the shooting, but it turned out not to be from him. So the police just decided to search the mail room and found this incriminating "notebook" address to the shrink but never delivered.

My take is either the police planted this "notebook" Holmes allegedly mailed to the shrink, or the shrink had received it before the shooting sent by Holmes and did nothing about it when the law requires her to do, so she put it back in the mail room after the shooting and said she never got it to cover her tracks.

Third option is it just got lost in the mail room and sat there, but what are the odds of that given the alternatives?

Interesting possibility there, where she may want to cover up that she didn't take action.

It's summer, so a slow mail room at a University is possible. Heck, the shrink may not have even been on campus for weeks.

[phill4paul]

“Many children have suffered harmful side effects from using psychotropic drugs. Some of the possible side effects include mania, violence, dependence and weight gain. Yet, parents are already being threatened with child abuse charges if they resist efforts to drug their children. Imagine how much easier it will be to drug children against their parents’ wishes if a federally-funded mental-health screener makes the recommendation.” – RON PAUL

http://www.cchrint.org/

But, but...Dr. Paul is an Ob-Gyn. What would he know about that? And, and.. he's a kooky conspiracy theorist! I WANT PROOF FROM A REAL DOCTOR! :p

[donnay]

This does not prove anything. According to all the links you provided, a significant percentage of schizophrenia patients only suffer one episode in their life. In order to "prove" that it can be cured by eating berries, the study would have to have a 100% success rate. Which it does not.

What it proves Angela is-- that there is always an alternative to psychotropic drugs being handed out like candy. Nutrient deficiencies play a major role in mental stability.

1936 U.S. Senate Report: Soil Depleted, 99% of Americans Nutrient Deficient

http://www.dailypaul.com/92623/1936-us-senate-report-soil-depleted-99-of-americans-nutrient-deficient


They knew in 1936...yet most of the medical community have absolutely no training in Nutrition. Much of the alternative health communities extol that nutrition; vitamins, minerals and essential amino acids are the key to a great immune system, greater cognitive ability and longevity.

[pcosmar]

What I find interesting is that it has been reported this was mailed to the shrink and received in the college mail room before the shooting and the shrink states she states she did not receive it - it remained in the college mail room.


Interesting possibility there, where she may want to cover up that she didn't take action.

It's summer, so a slow mail room at a University is possible. Heck, the shrink may not have even been on campus for weeks.

What I find interesting is that people keep repeating that FALSE Story that was Fabricated by Faux Snooze.

The package was turned over to police immediately, And was never received before the shooting.

A Blatant lie that keeps being repeated.

[thoughtomator]

The report is that the package was delivered by USPS the Monday after the shooting. Interestingly, no date stamp on the package was mentioned - you'd think that would be rather pertinent data, no?

[pcosmar]

The report is that the package was delivered by USPS the Monday after the shooting. Interestingly, no date stamp on the package was mentioned - you'd think that would be rather pertinent data, no?

Yeah,, but,,
Fox said,,,,

:(

[Brian4Liberty]

What I find interesting is that people keep repeating that FALSE Story that was Fabricated by Faux Snooze.

The package was turned over to police immediately, And was never received before the shooting.

A Blatant lie that keeps being repeated.

Some people aren't following the story all that close... ;)

[pcosmar]

Some people aren't following the story all that close... ;)

I'm not following all that close,, but I can keep up.

Old Phart is not a fast as he was.
;)