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AuH20
07-27-2012, 07:00 PM
I must confess that I find him an incredibly astute and likable guy. But how did he become so twisted philosophically??? I'm here reading his tweets and I'm shocked how off his rocker he is. He's anti-gun yet he seems to be an advocate for the proletariat rising up and creating some false utopia.

https://twitter.com/tmorello

ronpaulfollower999
07-27-2012, 07:01 PM
I don't think he's one of us, but he's a great guitarist.

seyferjm
07-27-2012, 07:03 PM
His politics suck imo

Brian4Liberty
07-27-2012, 07:08 PM
Over-rated. His politics are crazy too.

AuH20
07-27-2012, 07:09 PM
It's starting to make sense now:


Tom Morello was born on May 30, 1964, in Harlem, New York, to Ngethe Njoroge and Mary Morello. Tom is of Irish and Italian descent on his maternal side, and Kikuyu Kenyan descent on his paternal side. His mother was a schoolteacher from Marseilles, Illinois, who earned a Master of Arts at Loyola University, Chicago and travelled to Germany, Spain, Japan, and Kenya as an English language teacher between 1977 to 1983.[2] His father was a Kenyan participant in the Mau Mau Uprising, and served as Kenya's first ambassador to the United Nations.[3] Morello's paternal great-uncle, Jomo Kenyatta, was the first elected president in Kenyan history.[3] His parents met in August 1963, while attending a pro-democracy protest in Nairobi, Kenya.[4] After discovering her pregnancy, Mary returned to the United States with Njoroge in November, and married in New York City.

When Morello was 16 months old, Njoroge returned to his native Kenya, and denied his paternity of his son.[4][5] Morello was raised solely by his mother in Libertyville, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago. There he attended Libertyville High School, where his mother was a U.S. history teacher. She was the homeroom teacher for Tom's classmate and fellow guitarist Adam Jones, of the band Tool, while teaching at Libertyville. Tom sang in the school choir and was active in speech and drama club; a prominent role was Oberon in A Midsummer Night's Dream.

Morello developed leftist political leanings early, and has described himself as having been "the only anarchist in a conservative high school", and has since identified as a nonsectarian socialist. In the 1980 mock elections at Libertyville, he campaigned for a fictitious anarchist "candidate" named Hubie Maxwell, who came in fourth place in the election. He also wrote a piece headlined "South Africa: Racist Fascism That We Support" for the school alternative newspaper The Student Pulse.

Nonsectarian socialist? That's a good one.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2012, 07:13 PM
A hell of a guitarist, and I'm thinking his heart's in the right place, but there's an awful disconnect when a rich man, rages against rich men and guns, and this is the cover of his new project:

http://www.newreleasesnow.com/art/Tom-Morello-The-Nightwatchman--World-Wide-Rebel-Songs.jpg

AuH20
07-27-2012, 07:16 PM
A hell of a guitarist, and I'm thinking his heart's in the right place, but there's an awful disconnect when a rich white man, rages against rich white men and guns, and this is the cover of his new project:

http://www.newreleasesnow.com/art/Tom-Morello-The-Nightwatchman--World-Wide-Rebel-Songs.jpg

He wants to be the musical Che Guevera in the worst way. But I really have a hard time not liking the guy.

AuH20
07-27-2012, 07:20 PM
So it sounds like since he's been knee high, he's been bombarded with socialist nonsense:


Morello graduated from high school with honors in June 1982, and enrolled at Harvard University as a political science student that autumn. He was the first student at his high school to be accepted at Harvard, and was in fact the first person from Libertyville, Illinois ever to enroll there.[4] Morello graduated in 1986 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Social Studies.[6]

Somebody send this guy some ancap literature. But I really think he's addicted to the romantic "heroic brown man resisting the evil white imperialist" narrative. He has contempt for the founders as well based on his tweets, instead of focusing on the invaluable ideas that made this country the envy of the world.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2012, 07:22 PM
He wants to be the musical Che Guevera in the worst way. But I really have a hard time not liking the guy.

Me too, I've been a fan for years, saw them live at Lollapalooza 1996, and have often wondered if one simple talk would be enough to tweak his thinking around.

LOL - You got me, I edited out the "white" references, I had no idea his father was Kenyan, I always had him pegged for a white guy.

pcgame
07-27-2012, 07:27 PM
............

AuH20
07-27-2012, 07:31 PM
Take Jon Schaffer, Dave Mustaine, Tom Morello and Eddie Vedder and lock them up in the same room. Come back in 5 days and..... :)
First off, either Morello or Schaffer would be dead. Schaffer always wears a stars and bars bandana on stage!! Morello ain't going to take that insult sitting down.

Brian4Liberty
07-27-2012, 07:35 PM
It's starting to make sense now:

Nonsectarian socialist? That's a good one.

Now why does his background remind me of someone else? Can't quite put my finger on it... ;)


LOL - You got me, I edited out the "white" references, I had no idea his father was Kenyan, I always had him pegged for a white guy.

Can a truly color-blind world exist if people insist on making it an issue?

As for his playing, he is a good guitar player, not quite my thing for some reason. RatM was pretty good, I liked Audioslave better, with Chris Cornell's input creating some more melodic tunes.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2012, 07:35 PM
Take Jon Schaffer, Dave Mustaine, Tom Morello and Eddie Vedder and lock them up in the same room. Come back in 5 days and..... :)
First off, either Morello or Schaffer would be dead. Schaffer always wears a stars and bars bandana on stage!! Morello ain't going to take that sitting down.

Throw "The Nuge" in that mix just for hah hahs as well.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2012, 07:37 PM
Can a truly color-blind world exist if people insist on making it an issue?

Well, I wasn't really making an issue of it, other than to edit out an incorrect comment.

Hard to call a half Kenyan man, a "rich white guy".

Brian4Liberty
07-27-2012, 07:54 PM
Well, I wasn't really making an issue of it, other than to edit out an incorrect comment.

Hard to call a half Kenyan man, a "rich white guy".

Whoops, I just realized that I was not specific enough on that! :toady:

You and I might never even think about Morello's race or ethnicity (as far as I'm concerned, we're all humans). It's Morello himself who likes to make an issue out of it, when most people aren't even conscious of there being an issue.

I always thought he was Hispanic, until I heard his terrible attempt at speaking Spanish in Cuba.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2012, 08:06 PM
Whoops, I just realized that I was not specific enough on that! :toady:

You and I might never even think about Morello's race or ethnicity (as far as I'm concerned, we're all humans). It's Morello himself who likes to make an issue out of it, when most people aren't even conscious of there being an issue.

I always thought he was Hispanic, until I heard his terrible attempt at speaking Spanish in Cuba.

LOL - Understood.

roho76
07-27-2012, 08:06 PM
Good at spotting the problems. Lousy solutions.

AuH20
08-17-2012, 11:11 AM
Morello comments on Paul Ryan:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816#ixzz23o6DJswL

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
08-17-2012, 11:15 AM
Good guitarist who hates capitalism but seems to not mind capitalism when it comes to cashing his royalty checks and using his concert ticket money to buy million dollar equipment. I am sure all the merchandise they have sold has afforded him a large mansion in which he has plenty or rooms to sit in silence while pondering the plight of the poor because of the evils of a free market.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
08-17-2012, 11:24 AM
Guy sounds like Obama.

shane77m
08-17-2012, 11:28 AM
Good guitarist who hates capitalism but seems to not mind capitalism when it comes to cashing his royalty checks and using his concert ticket money to buy million dollar equipment. I am sure all the merchandise they have sold has afforded him a large mansion in which he has plenty or rooms to sit in silence while pondering the plight of the poor because of the evils of a free market.

Sounds like most celebrities that talk about the evils of capitalism.

matt0611
08-17-2012, 11:30 AM
Good guitarist. Horrible political and economic ideas.

Brian Coulter
08-17-2012, 11:35 AM
I saw them at lollapalooza '93 and was blown away! I ran out and got the album and played the fuck out of it until I found out they were all d-bags and then I unceremoniously chucked it and never turned back.

My current favorite musicians know how to STFU and that's how I like it.

Barrex
08-17-2012, 12:20 PM
Great music they produce..... rest much not.

kathy88
08-17-2012, 12:24 PM
Dude. Can. Shred.

Keith and stuff
08-17-2012, 12:53 PM
It was cool seeing him play outside the MN state capital in 2008 in protest of the RNC. Just because he is a communist doesn't mean all of his music is bad.

farreri
08-17-2012, 01:04 PM
Great musician with a great heart, just misguided about capitalism as most liberals are. Most liberals identify with being "socialist" not because they truly are socialist, because they hate capitalism, but don't understand that the capitalism they are mostly witnessing in the U.S. is not real capitalism, but crony capitalism/corporatism --i.e. fascism.

I suggest from here on out if you come across someone who says they hate capitalism, explain the difference to them about real capitalism and "crony capitalism/corporatism" (i.e. fascism). You might start winning over some liberals.

AuH20
08-17-2012, 01:07 PM
It was cool seeing him play outside the MN state capital in 2008 in protest of the RNC. Just because he is a communist doesn't mean all of his music is bad.

He's just terribly misguided to believe that centralized power can be used for the benefit of society. There is no controlling raw power. It controls you, not the other way around.

COpatriot
08-17-2012, 01:07 PM
Good musician who's a total crackpot politically. I LOVE Rage.

CaptainAmerica
08-17-2012, 01:08 PM
First of all, hes an okay guitarist. He isn't great. I wouldn't expect anyone from Rage Against the Machine to have deep philosophical ideals.

roho76
08-17-2012, 02:00 PM
Good guitarist who hates capitalism but seems to not mind capitalism when it comes to cashing his royalty checks and using his concert ticket money to buy million dollar equipment. I am sure all the merchandise they have sold has afforded him a large mansion in which he has plenty or rooms to sit in silence while pondering the plight of the poor because of the evils of a free market.

I stole your comment and posted it on FB because it's exactly how I feel and I didn't feel like rewriting it. +rep to you.

Sola_Fide
08-17-2012, 03:11 PM
One of the hardest things to get through to people is the idea of private property. Its very difficult (I've found) to change a non-propertarian to an idea of private property. Then of course you add on top of that a secular worldview, which so many of the cool kids have today, which doesn't give a consistent basis for property rights anyway. It is very easy for people who have even a slightly propertarian view of things to slide away from that given their secular worldview.

Bastiat's The Law
08-17-2012, 05:55 PM
I must confess that I find him an incredibly astute and likable guy. But how did he become so twisted philosophically??? I'm here reading his tweets and I'm shocked how off his rocker he is. He's anti-gun yet he seems to be an advocate for the proletariat rising up and creating some false utopia.

https://twitter.com/tmorello
Tom Morello is very likeable. He's much the typical socialist though, vowing his social prescription is the best. He's the type that would fall hook, line, and sinker for Zeitgeist.

Bastiat's The Law
08-17-2012, 06:06 PM
The problem with most socialist and communists is they don't fully connect the dots of the corrupting influence of centralized power. They diagnosis the social ills, but they're solution is often more centralization. They also have a blind spot when it comes to the history of nations that put their ideas into practice to devastating results. Severe blind spot and misconceptions regarding capitalism and private property.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

Bastiat's The Law
08-17-2012, 06:12 PM
Tom Morello needs to read some actual accounts of people living in collectivist societies.

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1320508694l/92936.jpg