Chick-fil-A Head Spokesman Dies of Heart Attack

[dannno]

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-chickfila-perry-20120727,0,7787369.story

[Nickels]

proof the gay agenda conspiracy is alive and well.

[dannno]

proof the gay agenda conspiracy is alive and well.

How do you figure? I'm not quite sure what the motive is here, yet, if any.

It just seems like interesting timing.

[kathy88]

Karma.

[dannno]

The only agenda I can figure so far is a government divide and conquer strategy. Their chief spokesperson wasn't inflammatory enough and he didn't say enough anti-gay rhetoric in order to play into the establishment's goal of pinning gays against fundamentalists and vice versa.

In other words, I see the entire idea of a "gay agenda" as a fabrication that involves the elite using their powers to push gay people with more extreme viewpoints towards the top of various societal power centers such as education, government, etc. in order to make it appear that most gay people want to use government to make their lifestyle a forefront of society and force everybody to accept it everywhere or whatever the fundamentalist argument of the day is.

There was an article in our local rag recently about the local govt. approving the structure permits for a new Chick-fil-A coming to town. They mentioned the Boston Mayor decision recently. Our town is very gay friendly. Over 95% of the comments were either people saying that they should allow it no matter what, and if you disagree with their views so strongly then don't go there, or to just simply to boycott their restaurant, including gay folks. Only ONE commenter, who probably isn't even gay, said that the mayor should follow the lead of the Boston Mayor and not allow "Chick-fil-hate", nobody else agreed. The fact is most gay people are not rabid political extremists or super-statists. They just want to be treated equally.

[dannno]

Karma.

Well according to the article he was making statements that the company didn't want to get involved in the political discussion regarding gay marriage.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Probably ate too much chicken.

I never liked their crap.

[jonhowe]

Motives? Agendas?

He was a VP at a FRIED CHICKEN FAST FOOD COMPANY AND HE HAD A HEART ATTACK!

[dannno]

Probably ate too much chicken.

I never liked their crap.

From what I've heard they are much better than KFC as far as how their chickens are treated, etc, but I've never eaten at one before.

[dannno]

Motives? Agendas?

He was a VP at a FRIED CHICKEN FAST FOOD COMPANY AND HE HAD A HEART ATTACK!

http://www.infinitydish.com/tvblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/gus_480x360.jpg

[jmdrake]

Karma.


Well according to the article he was making statements that the company didn't want to get involved in the political discussion regarding gay marriage.

Maybe he was struck down for being too conciliatory to the enemy. The dogma bit out the tires on the karma.

[jonhowe]

http://www.infinitydish.com/tvblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/gus_480x360.jpg


Ok. You got me. That was good.


Edit: That was the best possible reply.

[John F Kennedy III]

http://www.infinitydish.com/tvblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/gus_480x360.jpg

People can look healthy on the outside and be really unhealthy on the inside.

Also here is a recent pic:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5012f17d/turbine/la-fi-mo-chickfila-perry-20120727-002/600

[jkr]

Karma.
well, thats evil...

[angelatc]

They're a good company to work for. They are not open on Sundays in order to give families a day they can spend together. But that's not enough for the hateful money grubbing, Christian hating liberals.

[asurfaholic]

It doesn't make sense that anyone would kill him for any political reason. Chick fila is a private company, and will replace him with someone who shares the long standing values of the company.

I know someone who died of a heart attack in his 30s. Its one of the leading causes of death in this country with tons of contributing factors. Genetics, diet, lifestyle, stress...

[AuH20]

They're a good company to work for. They are not open on Sundays in order to give families a day they can spend together. But that's not enough for the hateful money grubbing, Christian hating liberals.

I never knew that. Sunday off? Wow. Remember all the heat that the Whole Foods owner got when he wrote that piece in the Wall Street Journal disagreeing with the core precepts of Obamacare? The progs and feminazis went off the deep end, even holding demonstrations in various Whole Foods stores, even though Mackey provides a sterling health care package to his employees.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/08/14/766755/-Whole-Foods-Boycott-Gaining-Supporters-and-MSM-Attention

[Anti Federalist]

A cautionary tale to anybody that wants to kick the corporate/government/media complex.

They'll hound you into the grave.

[angelatc]

I never knew that. Sunday off? Wow. Remember all the heat that the Whole Foods owner got when he wrote that piece in the Wall Street Journal disagreeing with the core precepts of Obamacare? The progs and feminazis went off the deep end, even holding demonstrations in various Whole Foods stores.

Yes, I guess the media forgot to mention that part. Liberals are just horrible, horrible people that want to control every single aspect of life in this country.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Highlights-Sunday

A (http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Highlights-Sunday) heartless corporation that forgoes a day of profit? A weekend day, even? That would be a great thing, if only the owner wasn't a good Christian man. Wait until they find out how he feels about abortion.

[Pericles]

I'll be back later. I have a craving for a chicken sandwich and some waffle fries.

[AuH20]

Yes, I guess the media forgot to mention that part. Liberals are just horrible, horrible people that want to control every single aspect of life in this country.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Highlights-Sunday

A (http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Highlights-Sunday) heartless corporation that forgoes a day of profit? A weekend day, even? That would be a great thing, if only the owner wasn't a good Christian man. Wait until they find out how he feels about abortion.

The average Republican politician may be a corporatist, GDP loving whore but at least many of them will cease their heavy-handedness after the heist. Conversely, some of these "liberals" will throw you & I into reconditioning camps for merely disagreeing with them. It's a mental disorder.

[The Free Hornet]

Yes, I guess the media forgot to mention that part. Liberals are just horrible, horrible people that want to control every single aspect of life in this country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

[angelatc]

The average Republican politician may be a corporatist, GDP loving whore but at least many of them will cease their heavyhandedness after the heist. Conversely, some of these liberals will throw you & I into reconditioning camps for merely disagreeing with them. It's a mental disorder.

I see too much of it here to make me happy. Several of us indeed believe that this man deserved to die merely for accepting a paycheck from a private company run by a Christian. Breaks my heart.

[angelatc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

That died 100 years ago.

[phill4paul]

As an executive it would be expected that he would check out the competition. Unfortunately, eating at the competition everyday for lunch has it's drawbacks...

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4575777208074482&id=84d97c563521e429ccae70cb5a62d2dc

[AuH20]

As an executive it would be expected that he would check out the competition. Unfortunately, eating at the competition everyday for lunch has it's drawbacks...

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4575777208074482&id=84d97c563521e429ccae70cb5a62d2dc

It really is high stakes gambling. Great advertising for that product.

[John F Kennedy III]

We don't even have a Chick-fil-A here. They BETTER have one in Arizona!

[jonhowe]

As a non-christian (non-theist for that matter) I have absolutely zero problem with a company taking sunday off. I also have no problem with the owners of that company speaking their opinions on political issues (even though in this case they are different from mine). If I think that their position is so grossly out of line with my own that I don't want to give them money, I have no problem finding another place to eat/shop.

I DO have a problem with politicians getting involved in "banning" these business from their towns/cities/etc.

[dannno]

Several of us indeed believe that this man deserved to die merely for accepting a paycheck from a private company run by a Christian. Breaks my heart.

Who?

[phill4paul]

As a non-christian (non-theist for that matter) I have absolutely zero problem with a company taking sunday off. I also have no problem with the owners of that company speaking their opinions on political issues (even though in this case they are different from mine). If I think that their position is so grossly out of line with my own that I don't want to give them money, I have no problem finding another place to eat/shop.

I DO have a problem with politicians getting involved in "banning" these business from their towns/cities/etc.

I agree with everything you have written. However, I like to hear what you think of politicians getting involved and 'banning' a business if there is support from their constituents. Example: A Wal-Mart wishes to open a second store in a town at the farthest point to serve the people in that region. A vocal group of individuals convinces the city council that the store is unnecessary. The city council acts on the concern of citizens.

[dannno]

I agree with everything you have written. However, I like to hear what you think of politicians getting involved and 'banning' a business if there is support from their constituents. Example: A Wal-Mart wishes to open a second store in a town at the farthest point to serve the people in that region. A vocal group of individuals convinces the city council that the store is unnecessary. The city council acts on the concern of citizens.

I disagree with their decision, the community is wrong in how to handle it, but the federal govt. and the U.N. shouldn't do anything to stop them.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

How do you figure? I'm not quite sure what the motive is here, yet, if any.

It just seems like interesting timing.

Has anyone else noticed that big ugly wart growing on the bottom of that cat's foot in the picture to the left?

[Tinnuhana]

Property rights?

[The Free Hornet]

That died 100 years ago.

Then you can cease stomping the shit out of it. The word "liberal" hardly translates well anyway and harping on it only gives the wrong impression of the group since there is no one way to be liberal.

As a rule of thumb, if you get zero liberals to vote for you or your candidate or cause in an election, my guess is that you lost.

[jmdrake]

Umm....you know the pic dannno posted was from the TV show "Breaking Bad" right?


People can look healthy on the outside and be really unhealthy on the inside.

Also here is a recent pic:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5012f17d/turbine/la-fi-mo-chickfila-perry-20120727-002/600

[angelatc]

Then you can cease stomping the shit out of it. The word "liberal" hardly translates well anyway and harping on it only gives the wrong impression of the group since there is no one way to be liberal.

As a rule of thumb, if you get zero liberals to vote for you or your candidate or cause in an election, my guess is that you lost.

Or you can continue pretending that the definitions of words don't change every generation or two, and have a flauntingly gay time promoting your classical liberal self as such.

[anaconda]

From what I've heard they are much better than KFC as far as how their chickens are treated, etc, but I've never eaten at one before.

A few years back it was determined that KFC had the most MSG in their food of all of the prominent fast food retailers. No wonder I loved KFC. Won't eat it anymore since the MSG report.

[dannno]

A few years back it was determined that KFC had the most MSG in their food of all of the prominent fast food retailers. No wonder I loved KFC. Won't eat it anymore since the MSG report.

Hmmm... looks like I'll have to make my home-made double-down with coconut flour after-all..

[TheTexan]

Don't give a shit.

I don't even care enough to make a post about it.

[Revolution9]

Umm....you know the pic dannno posted was from the TV show "Breaking Bad" right?

I didn't get it. It looked like some nerd clerk trying to look incredulous. What is TV?

Rev9

[squarepusher]

Hmmm... looks like I'll have to make my home-made double-down with coconut flour after-all..

i thought you were vegetarian ??

edit: and maybe God struck this man down for being a bigot?

[phill4paul]

I don't understand the problem. Soak your flattened chicken breasts in pickle juice then bread and fry them. Lawd, McD's 'special sauce' ain't been special for decades.

[dannno]

i thought you were vegetarian ??

edit: and maybe God struck this man down for being a bigot?

Ya, I was primarily vegetarian for about 10 years. I went primal about 3 weeks ago, may be temporary, we'll see. I can pm you the details of why if you're interested.

I used to gain a lot of weight if I started eating a lot of meat, but I was also eating carbs with them. Seems like so far the low carb thing is working well, I've lost weight (what little I have left) and energy levels are pretty good. I could go back, though.

[dannno]

I didn't get it. It looked like some nerd clerk trying to look incredulous. What is TV?

Rev9

You're actually missing out, Breaking Bad is an excellent series, it's a favorite of this forum. You should torrent it.

I wouldn't read too much of this thread, it has spoilers.. BUT there is a very sublte/quick Ron Paul reference in early Season 3 and discussion of libertarianism revolving around an eclectic character named Gale.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?304613-Breaking-Bad-any-good-Spoilers-Inside&highlight=breaking+bad

[liveandletlive]

...the chicken loose very unappetizing on the website,

americans have lost their mind...dont like the company dont eat there

[Brett85]

This whole thing really just shows that the pro "gay marriage" people are the most intolerant people around. They just want to punish people for having a different point of view than they have.

[TheTexan]

This whole thing really just shows that the pro "gay marriage" people are the most intolerant people around. They just want to punish people for having a different point of view than they have.

I don't think that's accurate... I'm not exactly up to date with the latest gay news but last I checked they still had a ways to go for equality, such as adopting children.

There's a difference between a distaste for homosexuals and straight up bigotry... some people here don't think they should be able to adopt children. I call that bigotry, antithetical to liberty, and the attitude that got us into this mess.

I don't see any problems with them protesting, or "shoving it in your face" to make a point. I mean, fuck, we do that all the time.

[The Free Hornet]

Or you can continue pretending that the definitions of words don't change every generation or two, and have a flauntingly gay time promoting your classical liberal self as such.

This is a current definition of "liberal":


liberal
adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

There are others, some might be more to your liking:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal
http://www.whatisliberalism.com/?pageId=84629
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_Europe

BTW, I did no such "pretending", rather I am capable of understanding more than one definition for a given term. When I hear the Flintstones theme song, I don't assume that Fred is going to "get it on" with Barney. As regards the context of liberal here, "But that's not enough for the hateful money grubbing, Christian hating liberals", there is little to suggest that these are the American left liberals that want to tax, regulate, subsidize, and nanny-state us to death. But you thankfully provide at least two classes of liberals,

- money grubbing liberals
- Christian hating liberals

"Christian hating liberals" is confusing given the overlap of Socialist Democrats and Socialist Republicans in power who are overwhelmingly Christian. I would assume Christians are - based on elected examples - little different from the American left liberals. They don't self-identify as deists and instead cloak themselves with Christ. Which Christians are they hating? The libertarian sort that are dead/absent from the picture or the tax-and-spend Christians?

Which is more of a fantasy, the classical liberal or the libertarian-minded Christian? By the numbers, both are too damn rare.

"money grubbing liberals" is confusing too. Is this about being closed on Sundays? Lots of restaurants close on weekends or on Mondays or other random days. It's a smart business decision mixed with some very clever marketing*. BFD.

As regards freedom, I know which side is seeking to allow more people to shelter their assets from Uncle Sam and the "money grubbers". I know which side is seeking to make more health care spending with pre-tax dollars. I hope there is parity soon for employee-spent healthcare versus employer-spent healthcare. If I am to pay for health insurance, I want the provider to kiss my ass, not my employer's ass.



* From wikipedia:

In an interview with ABC News's Nightline, Truett's son Dan Cathy gave reporter Vicki Mabrey another reason why the company is closed on Sundays, saying his father opened his first restaurant on a Tuesday and "by the time Sunday came, he was just worn out. And Sunday was not a big trading day, anyway, at the time. So he was closed that first Sunday and we've been closed ever since. He figured if he didn't like working on Sundays, that other people didn't either." The younger Cathy quoted his father as saying "'I don't want to ask people to do that what I am not willing to do myself.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A#Religious_and_political_views

[LibertyEagle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Classical liberals are polar opposites of progressive-liberals of today.

[The Free Hornet]

Classical liberals are polar opposites of progressive-liberals of today.

In the US especially, you are correct. I just wouldn't spew venom at such a broad term like "liberal". And I'm not one who was an ex-liberal.

[The Free Hornet]

This whole thing really just shows that the pro "gay marriage" people are the most intolerant people around. They just want to punish people for having a different point of view than they have.

Whereas you just want to tax their estates, make them spend after-tax money on healthcare, not allow themselves to legally be structured as a family (and the many things that implies wrt healthcare decisions, inheritance, residential arrangements, kids in need of homes*, etc.).

And the other side maybe won't buy a chicken sandwich somewhere.

Is this really about tolerance???



*As regards that issue, I would say if "couple X" can provide better education, opportunities, and material well-being than "couple Y", then it begins to infringe on the child's rights if they are needlessly kept from "couple X". Obviously, no child should be adopted into a bad situation or contrary to their will if old enough to express such.

[Brett85]

I don't think that's accurate... I'm not exactly up to date with the latest gay news but last I checked they still had a ways to go for equality, such as adopting children.

There's a difference between a distaste for homosexuals and straight up bigotry... some people here don't think they should be able to adopt children. I call that bigotry, antithetical to liberty, and the attitude that got us into this mess.

I don't see any problems with them protesting, or "shoving it in your face" to make a point. I mean, fuck, we do that all the time.

I think that you should be able to oppose gay marriage or even "gay adaption" and not be called a "bigot," "a homophobe," a "hatemonger," etc. Is it not possible to just have a civil and respectful disagreement on an issue without resorting to personal insults? My point was that almost all conservatives actually do use civility when discussing these kinds of issues, while those on the left and some libertarians basically just throw around personal insults at those who disagree with them. They aren't willing to have any tolerance for any point of view but their own. And, even many of the liberty activists that people here promote all the time are opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption. Chuck Baldwin and Alex Jones are two examples.

[Brett85]

And as far as adopting children goes, I would at least say that a privately run adoption agency should be allowed to have a policy that gays can't adopt children from their adoption agency. I would support a law that protects the conscience rights of adoption agencies that don't want to allow gays to adopt.

[TheTexan]

I think that you should be able to oppose gay marriage or even "gay adaption" and not be called a "bigot," "a homophobe," a "hatemonger," etc. Is it not possible to just have a civil and respectful disagreement on an issue without resorting to personal insults? My point was that almost all conservatives actually do use civility when discussing these kinds of issues, while those on the left and some libertarians basically just throw around personal insults at those who disagree with them. They aren't willing to have any tolerance for any point of view but their own.

You're basically asking me to have tolerance for intolerance.

[TheTexan]

And as far as adopting children goes, I would at least say that a privately run adoption agency should be allowed to have a policy that gays can't adopt children from their adoption agency. I would support a law that protects the conscience rights of adoption agencies that don't want to allow gays to adopt.

I'll agree with that, as long as its the parents wish, and not the agency's wish.

[Revolution9]

You're actually missing out, Breaking Bad is an excellent series, it's a favorite of this forum. You should torrent it.

I wouldn't read too much of this thread, it has spoilers.. BUT there is a very sublte/quick Ron Paul reference in early Season 3 and discussion of libertarianism revolving around an eclectic character named Gale.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?304613-Breaking-Bad-any-good-Spoilers-Inside&highlight=breaking+bad

I would rather curl up with a good read than be beholden to a TV series to finish. The last one I watched at several shows at a clip was BattleStar Galactica first three seasons. Then kablooie..total BS.. Same with Lost which I spent all that wasted time on HULU at someone's recommendation hoping some frikkin' conclusion of any kind beyond plot trickery and historical semantics could be made. Nadda. I spend alot of time with non-fiction reading and technical stuff. This other stuff seems alot like bread and circuses to me..no matter how "hip"..or designed to dumb down or infiltrate agitprop clandestinely through plotlines. Get's me ticked off because my spidey sense tingles in an instant

Thanks for the recommendation and I don't understand the spoilers thing. I don't go to movies or watch them unless I know a good deal about them.

I think I have tasted msg in Chik-Fil-A. It has that distinctive taste. This guy could have croaked fom it.

Rev9

[Nickels]

You're actually missing out, Breaking Bad is an excellent series, it's a favorite of this forum. You should torrent it.

I wouldn't read too much of this thread, it has spoilers.. BUT there is a very sublte/quick Ron Paul reference in early Season 3 and discussion of libertarianism revolving around an eclectic character named Gale.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?304613-Breaking-Bad-any-good-Spoilers-Inside&highlight=breaking+bad

if you have netflix you won't need to torrent it. at least not for 4 seasons.

[Nickels]

I would rather curl up with a good read than be beholden to a TV series to finish. The last one I watched at several shows at a clip was BattleStar Galactica first three seasons

wtf, no comparison man.

Well, watch first 2 episodes, if you don't like it, you don't like it.

[angelatc]

This is a current definition of "liberal":


TLDR. Go ahead and pretend that all those liberals in Congress are on our side. I don't really care.

In the meantime, I will hate liberals.

[angelatc]

I'll agree with that, as long as its the parents wish, and not the agency's wish.

Sure, but the left won't tolerate that.

[angelatc]

You're basically asking me to have tolerance for intolerance.

So people are allowed to support gay marriage, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.

[The Free Hornet]

I think that you should be able to oppose gay marriage or even "gay adaption" and not be called a "bigot," "a homophobe," a "hatemonger," etc.

You called the opposition "most intolerant" ("the most intolerant people around"). Definition bigot: "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot)". So you want to be able to call be intolerant but not be called a bigot?


Is it not possible to just have a civil and respectful disagreement on an issue without resorting to personal insults?

With you??? That would seem unlikely as you willingly cast the first stone.


My point was that almost all conservatives actually do use civility when discussing these kinds of issues, while those on the left and some libertarians basically just throw around personal insults at those who disagree with them.

You have a twisted view of your side which is not conservative in the 'mind your business' sense once printed on our continental currency. Fake conservatives concern themselves with the private affairs of others. The only philosophically consistent position is all in or fold. Let anybody marry whomever they choose or get the government 100% out of the marriage business. If you have been called a "bigot", "a homophobe", or a "hatemonger", it is because that is what you have advocated (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315785-Clint-Eastwood-Endorsement&p=3558006&viewfull=1#post3558006). Read (or reread) the effing thread, Clint was telling us NOT TO FOCUS on gay marriage or make a big deal of it (specifically, it's opposition). No, you disagree, we have to make a big fucking deal about gay marriage:


"These people who are making a big deal out of gay marriage?" Eastwood opined. "I don't give a fuck about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We're making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of."


He's right on the war issue, but he should realize that "gay marriage" isn't libertarian. Instead, how about focusing on releasing people from prison who are there because of victimless crimes like drug use and prostitution?

From your keyboard (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?315785-Clint-Eastwood-Endorsement&p=3558006&viewfull=1#post3558006).


They aren't willing to have any tolerance for any point of view but their own.

Philosophical consistency is what I tolerate. You've never justified your claim that gay marriage is just about benefits. You might think avoiding death and income taxes are benefits, but I call them rights. They are rights because it is not my money to take! It is not my business to define who their family is or who their presumptive heirs are. It is not my business to keep them legally tied to their parents when they want another adult in that role.

[angelatc]

You're basically asking me to have tolerance for intolerance.

That's why I hate liberals. Their definition of tolerance apparently means barely being able to stand people that agree with you, and spitting venom on everybody else.

[The Free Hornet]

So people are allowed to support gay marriage, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


So people are allowed to support drugs, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


So people are allowed to support guns, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


So people are allowed to support tobacco, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


So people are allowed to support alcohol, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


So people are allowed to support free speech, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


So people are allowed to support life, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.


Some positions are wrong. YOU do not want to live in a mamsy-pamsy world where all viewpoints are treated equally. If you weren't opposed, it would mean you are humored, not respected.

[Revolution9]

wtf, no comparison man.

Well, watch first 2 episodes, if you don't like it, you don't like it.

I already don't like it. I will probably never watch it. Probably has an "urban" soundtrack too which will make me put a bullet through the screen in anguished agony.

I don't watch bread and circuses. "Hit" shows really piss me off. South Park??? What a steaming pile of peurile potty humor and standard routines humor. I don't get the low level of humor Americans relish.

Rev9

[angelatc]

Some positions are wrong. YOU do not want to live in a mamsy-pamsy world where all viewpoints are treated equally. If you weren't opposed, it would mean you are humored, not respected.

It would mean I was respected them enough to have my views tolerated.

Christians believe that homosexuality is wrong. You're the one that can't tolerate that.

And if you think I'm going to let either the liberals or the Christians decide what's right and wrong....well, you're not going to tolerate me, either.

[Nickels]

People can look healthy on the outside and be really unhealthy on the inside.

Also here is a recent pic:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5012f17d/turbine/la-fi-mo-chickfila-perry-20120727-002/600

He Chilean too?

[Nickels]

I already don't like it. I will probably never watch it. Probably has an "urban" soundtrack too which will make me put a bullet through the screen in anguished agony.

I don't watch bread and circuses. "Hit" shows really piss me off. South Park??? What a steaming pile of peurile potty humor and standard routines humor. I don't get the low level of humor Americans relish.

Rev9

no problem.

[cstarace]

TLDR. Go ahead and pretend that all those liberals in Congress are on our side. I don't really care.

In the meantime, I will hate liberals.
You should probably calm the fuck down. For somebody who proclaims to be part of the r3VOLution, you do a lot of hating.

[angelatc]

You should probably calm the fuck down. For somebody who proclaims to be part of the r3VOLution, you do a lot of hating.

You should probably shut the fuck up.

I spent the first 40 years of my life thinking that liberals meant well, and that they could be reasonable. Now I see they're just greedy bullies, calling people names, reaching the point where they're threatening to ban businesses that are owned by Jews Christians .

I hate liberals, and I have no interest in pretending otherwise.

[TheTexan]

So people are allowed to support gay marriage, but people aren't allowed to oppose it.

Got it.

Your straw man does not address my point of adoption

[TheTexan]

That's why I hate liberals. Their definition of tolerance apparently means barely being able to stand people that agree with you, and spitting venom on everybody else.

...

[Philhelm]

Probably ate too much chicken.

I never liked their crap.

I almost gave you negative rep. Chick-fil-A is the food of the Gods.

[cstarace]

You should probably shut the fuck up.

I spent the first 40 years of my life thinking that liberals meant well, and that they could be reasonable. Now I see they're just greedy bullies, calling people names, reaching the point where they're threatening to ban businesses that are owned by Jews Christians .

I hate liberals, and I have no interest in pretending otherwise.
And now that you've reached middle-age you're not only a vitriolic hatemonger but also a collectivist. Impressive. Any other traits you'd like to reveal that are antithetical to 'Liberty Forest'?

[coastie]

I almost gave you negative rep. Chick-fil-A is the food of the Gods.


Well, I will give you a +rep because I am currently munching down a Chick fil a #1 w/ extra pickles and a large sweet tea. Caesar dressing to dip the waffle fries in. OMG.

[amy31416]

I almost gave you negative rep. Chick-fil-A is the food of the Gods.

I tried their food once and wasn't impressed--not sure why other people are.

[asurfaholic]

I almost gave you negative rep. Chick-fil-A is the food of the Gods.

Agree... I eat the 3 count chicken strips at least 3 times a week with honey roasted bbq sauce to dip it in.

Making my mouth water just to think about it.

[robmpreston]

I already don't like it. I will probably never watch it. Probably has an "urban" soundtrack too which will make me put a bullet through the screen in anguished agony.

I don't watch bread and circuses. "Hit" shows really piss me off. South Park??? What a steaming pile of peurile potty humor and standard routines humor. I don't get the low level of humor Americans relish.

Rev9

It must be hard living day to day when you're so fucking awesome, eh?

[Dr.3D]

I tried their food once and wasn't impressed--not sure why other people are.
Guess they don't have a Popeye's chicken around.

[Philhelm]

I tried their food once and wasn't impressed--not sure why other people are.

Infidel!

[BamaAla]

An ass-hurt minority can make a lot of noise. Here's is a news flash though: most Americans don't support gay marriage. These folks that push the gay agenda will yell and scream for a a little while, self style liberals will drop a few tears into their Starbucks, and college professors will sniff their farts a little harder, but it will go away in a day or two (think KONY 2012 buzz) and soon will come the next big thing to hate white Christians (hopefully male) for.

[Revolution9]

It must be hard living day to day when you're so fucking awesome, eh?

Naw.. Pretty fucking easy. I don't have my head clogged with bullshit. I apparently have offended you by refusing to be clogged with media bullshit. Enjoy your bullshit. I don't care how much bullshit you clog your head with. BTW. I think your favorite band sucks too.

HTH
Rev9

[dannno]

Naw.. Pretty fucking easy. I don't have my head clogged with bullshit. I apparently have offended you by refusing to be clogged with media bullshit. Enjoy your bullshit. I don't care how much bullshit you clog your head with. BTW. I think your favorite band sucks too.

HTH
Rev9


Are you saying that it is impossible to have a good hit tv show on the air?

I mean, most of us here are very anti-television to begin with, but that doesn't mean there can be no such thing as a good tv show.

Breaking bad is VERY compelling and so is the soundtrack. It is very well written and the actors are absolutely fantastic.

You're really missing out.

The show was on AMC, they put out another good show which is popular here on the forums called "The Walking Dead". Those are two pretty solid series.

[Revolution9]

Are you saying that it is impossible to have a good hit tv show on the air?



I am saying I have much better things to do than watch TV. I can read alot in a half hour. I can make 25USD in that same half hour if working. If I continue to read I can make 50USD in a half hour when working. I have not seen anything worth taking my time to watch from snippets and descriptions. Hollywood writers are rarely funny IMO and are just rehashing crap, or trying desperately to trash hetero white guys. They have an agenda and it ain't mine.

Rev9

[dannno]

I am saying I have much better things to do than watch TV. I can read alot in a half hour. I can make 25USD in that same half hour if working. If I continue to read I can make 50USD in a half hour when working. I have not seen anything worth taking my time to watch from snippets and descriptions. Hollywood writers are rarely funny IMO and are just rehashing crap, or trying desperately to trash hetero white guys. They have an agenda and it ain't mine.

Rev9

So you don't watch movies either? Do you ever relax?

[TonySutton]

and the competition jumps into the fight :P

http://moonbattracker.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ay2S6BOCYAEjaBh.jpg

or is it photo shopped?

[AuH20]

An ass-hurt minority can make a lot of noise. Here's is a news flash though: most Americans don't support gay marriage. These folks that push the gay agenda will yell and scream for a a little while, self style liberals will drop a few tears into their Starbucks, and college professors will sniff their farts a little harder, but it will go away in a day or two (think KONY 2012 buzz) and soon will come the next big thing to hate white Christians (hopefully male) for.

I think you hit the nail on the head. These type of stunts or authoritative group think goes far beyond the one personal opinion of the owner of Chick-Fil-A. It's about fearfully ramming down compliance for the overarching homosexual agenda. This war has been raging for decades and I'm really not concerned with who started it, but when one side takes the Gestapo route I'm going to get concerned.

I personally don't have a problem with civil unions or gays raising children in this divorce marred society, but I don't appreciate these type of transparent psych-ops operations that are implemented in our schools, the entertainment industry and within our government (e.g. hate crimes). It's a major overreach and should be called out as such.

[Revolution9]

So you don't watch movies either? Do you ever relax?

Yeah. I go down to the river or a walk in the woods, play the guitar or simply think. Books relax me. Roasting a bowl will send me right into my art and game engine apps. TV makes me uptight as I spot the agenda immediately and get pissed they think I am stupid enough to swallow the agenda or think it's funny. I watch movies to study them..or used to. I don't so alot of sfx these days as it has devolved into explosions and demonic shit I have no interest in propagating or working on. I have been on both sides of the camera and the pre and post production pit. It isn't a mystery to me and I cannot watch like the regular public. Last TV I owned went in the dumpster in 02 when Jim MacNeil was softballing Cheney on PBS news. Unplugged it and carried it to the dumpster and dusted my hands off after tossing it.

Rev9

[Dr.3D]

I think you hit the nail on the head. These type of stunts or authoritative group think goes far beyond the one personal opinion of the owner of Chick-Fil-A. It's about fearfully ramming down compliance for the overarching homosexual agenda. This war has been raging for decades and I'm really not concerned with who started it, but when one side takes the Gestapo route I'm going to get concerned.

I personally don't have a problem with civil unions or gays raising children in this divorce marred society, but I don't appreciate these type of transparent psych-ops operations that are implemented in our schools, the entertainment industry and within our government (e.g. hate crimes). It's a major overreach and should be called out as such.

But Obama wants us to eat da poo poo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54_hqwbb5nY

[mac_hine]

I am saying I have much better things to do than watch TV. I can read alot in a half hour. I can make 25USD in that same half hour if working. If I continue to read I can make 50USD in a half hour when working. I have not seen anything worth taking my time to watch from snippets and descriptions. Hollywood writers are rarely funny IMO and are just rehashing crap, or trying desperately to trash hetero white guys. They have an agenda and it ain't mine.

Rev9

IMO, Game of Thrones is currently the best show on television. This is probably my favorite clip from the entire series thus far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHnYayjFL-Q&feature=related

Notice how the guy standing (Ned Stark) is advocating a kind of "non-interventionist foreign policy" while the other men sitting around the table are calling for a "preemptive" strike.

[cstarace]

I am saying I have much better things to do than watch TV. I can read alot in a half hour. I can make 25USD in that same half hour if working. If I continue to read I can make 50USD in a half hour when working. I have not seen anything worth taking my time to watch from snippets and descriptions. Hollywood writers are rarely funny IMO and are just rehashing crap, or trying desperately to trash hetero white guys. They have an agenda and it ain't mine.

Rev9
Not that reading is bad (it's fantastic), but scripts are their own form of literature. Just like with books, there's insightful scripts and inane scripts, the vast majority falling into the latter category. Breaking Bad is a rare show in that has an incredible writing staff and the show is littered with various motifs and themes regarding human nature, and a recurring one is that of moral consequences. Even the camera work provides symbols that are meant to be interpreted; you have to be on your toes because every peculiar facial expression, every camera angle could potentially mean something significant.

It's not Shakespeare but it's certainly an intellectually engaging show.

[Revolution9]

Not that reading is bad (it's fantastic), but scripts are their own form of literature. Just like with books, there's insightful scripts and inane scripts, the vast majority falling into the latter category. Breaking Bad is a rare show in that has an incredible writing staff and the show is littered with various motifs and themes regarding human nature, and a recurring one is that of moral consequences. Even the camera work provides symbols that are meant to be interpreted; you have to be on your toes because every peculiar facial expression, every camera angle could potentially mean something significant.

It's not Shakespeare but it's certainly an intellectually engaging show.

Oh.. I like scripts and concepts and concept art and storyboards, great camera work and symbology dripping sets. The irony of my rant is I have been on conference calls today with a big entertainment movie virtual 3D group who I was blowing off on their first call and they called me back with a link in to their big shot in NYC and kept adding perks on the package to art and tech direct their project. Some kinda virtual mall and movie thingamajiggy that has all the big studio sponsors done in the Unity game engine.

I like old movies too and watched several over the holidays from the late 30's and early forties. And the animated version of A Christmas Carol which was rich with imagery that came out a few years back. And you, unlike others in this thread who treated Breaking Bad like the latest hype machine, gave some cogent details that may make me , or has rather made me more interested. But again..I will probably be reading SIGGRAPH white papers and studying SDK's so i can make entertainment for others as a hired gun again. The other show mentioned above was A Game Of Thrones..but I can't stand waiting week to week to get a conclusion or be cliffhung. So/.there are some series I will later, when retired, buy the DVD set of to watch (or the nanocrystal ROM or holographic hyperprism)from beginning to end. The Sopranos too. I grew up around Italians. They liked me. i was an artist who tried to copy their Masters. I didn't ask what they did. A Game Of Thrones because my earliest non historical arts interest was the Conan The Barbarian marvel series that I always did scenarios out of and the sets and costume work looks like what I would draw when young. It also has good writing reviews. So.. I am a curmudgeon..but not totally..and the Universe does stick it's tongue out at me too.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

IMO, Game of Thrones is currently the best show on television. This is probably my favorite clip from the entire series thus far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHnYayjFL-Q&feature=related

Notice how the guy standing (Ned Stark) is advocating a kind of "non-interventionist foreign policy" while the other men sitting around the table are calling for a "preemptive" strike.

Will get the set when the series is finished. I grew up with "Lost In Space" The most thrillingly annoying thing a kid could watch. Always that jackass Dr snivel and hide would about to get eaten by some trudging alien thing and the show would cut in with "Tune in next week.." Arrrrggh. and then he wasn't eaten dammit.

Rev9

[RonPaulFanInGA]

He was a VP at a FRIED CHICKEN FAST FOOD COMPANY AND HE HAD A HEART ATTACK!

Heart attacks can be triggered by stress. How much stress did the homosexual activists and their willing media allies bring on this spokesman?

[QuickZ06]

Will these "celebrities" ever get a clue and actually produce a thoughtful well educated comment on subject matters?

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8533/9b402a98.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/9b402a98.jpg/)

[cstarace]

Oh.. I like scripts and concepts and concept art and storyboards, great camera work and symbology dripping sets. The irony of my rant is I have been on conference calls today with a big entertainment movie virtual 3D group who I was blowing off on their first call and they called me back with a link in to their big shot in NYC and kept adding perks on the package to art and tech direct their project. Some kinda virtual mall and movie thingamajiggy that has all the big studio sponsors done in the Unity game engine.

I like old movies too and watched several over the holidays from the late 30's and early forties. And the animated version of A Christmas Carol which was rich with imagery that came out a few years back. And you, unlike others in this thread who treated Breaking Bad like the latest hype machine, gave some cogent details that may make me , or has rather made me more interested. But again..I will probably be reading SIGGRAPH white papers and studying SDK's so i can make entertainment for others as a hired gun again. The other show mentioned above was A Game Of Thrones..but I can't stand waiting week to week to get a conclusion or be cliffhung. So/.there are some series I will later, when retired, buy the DVD set of to watch (or the nanocrystal ROM or holographic hyperprism)from beginning to end. The Sopranos too. I grew up around Italians. They liked me. i was an artist who tried to copy their Masters. I didn't ask what they did. A Game Of Thrones because my earliest non historical arts interest was the Conan The Barbarian marvel series that I always did scenarios out of and the sets and costume work looks like what I would draw when young. It also has good writing reviews. So.. I am a curmudgeon..but not totally..and the Universe does stick it's tongue out at me too.

Rev9
It isn't even tremendously popular. The ratings are fairly insignificant compared to some of the more popular shows on television. It isn't a show for the average television watcher who might find it difficult to follow or too dark, it's a show for those who are looking to be both entertained and intellectually challenged. The vast majority of Americans want to sit in front of their television set and laugh mindlessly while the dreck-peddling substandard writers pander to the lowest common denominator. This isn't that.

Regardless, hopefully you check it out when you get some time. Season five just started a few weeks ago so you've plenty to catch up on in the meantime. I'll provide you with a link in the reputation I give you that has all four seasons. Just make sure you've got an ad-blocker and follow the directions meticulously because free television online isn't hosted on the most reputable of sites.

[The Other Andy]

I'm surprised to see some of the posts in this thread. I have (and everyone here should have) no problem with someone thinking whatever they want. If they're a Christian that believes homosexuality is a sin, fine. The problem is, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to infringe on the rights of others, and those who support these constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage are doing just that. If you think it's wrong for them to be married, then don't let them marry in your church. Just don't impose your religious beliefs on the rest of the nation.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -1st amendment, U.S. Constitution.

[dannno]

Yeah. I go down to the river or a walk in the woods, play the guitar or simply think. Books relax me. Roasting a bowl will send me right into my art and game engine apps. TV makes me uptight as I spot the agenda immediately and get pissed they think I am stupid enough to swallow the agenda or think it's funny. I watch movies to study them..or used to. I don't so alot of sfx these days as it has devolved into explosions and demonic shit I have no interest in propagating or working on. I have been on both sides of the camera and the pre and post production pit. It isn't a mystery to me and I cannot watch like the regular public. Last TV I owned went in the dumpster in 02 when Jim MacNeil was softballing Cheney on PBS news. Unplugged it and carried it to the dumpster and dusted my hands off after tossing it.

Rev9

Well perhaps considering how many people on these forums like Breaking Bad, maybe watching it would be an interesting case study and then you could create a thread and explain the agenda behind the show and why they are drawing in the liberty movement?

[KingNothing]

I think that you should be able to oppose gay marriage or even "gay adaption" and not be called a "bigot," "a homophobe," a "hatemonger," etc.

Why? Those things almost require the labels that followed.



Is it not possible to just have a civil and respectful disagreement on an issue without resorting to personal insults?



When the premise of your argument is that other people are not good enough or moral enough for you because of who they are attracted to, you're firing the opening shot when it comes to insults.

[KingNothing]

I tried their food once and wasn't impressed--not sure why other people are.

It's just fast food. If you operate under the assumption that it will be garbage because it is fast food, you will be impressed. If you think it will be good because people say that it's "good," you'll be horrified and confused.

[KingNothing]

You're basically asking me to have tolerance for intolerance.

That's what they don't understand. And, at the very least, they're asking you to not think they're completely backwards or absurd for holding the views that they hold.

In sum, it works like this:

These people hold collectivists thoughts that cause them to look down on, hate, think less of, or refuse to tolerate, gay people. We are supposed to respect them just the same, or refrain from expressing our views, when they spout ignorance, intolerance, hatred and a litany of other things that the next generation of people will be confused by.

[Brett85]

That's what they don't understand. And, at the very least, they're asking you to not think they're completely backwards or absurd for holding the views that they hold.

In sum, it works like this:

These people hold collectivists thoughts that cause them to look down on, hate, think less of, or refuse to tolerate, gay people. We are supposed to respect them just the same, or refrain from expressing our views, when they spout ignorance, intolerance, hatred and a litany of other things that the next generation of people will be confused by.

Right, because refusing to give legal recognition to gay relationships is the same as "hating" and "refusing to tolerate" gay people.

[Brett85]

When the premise of your argument is that other people are not good enough or moral enough for you because of who they are attracted to, you're firing the opening shot when it comes to insults.

No, that simply isn't true at all. You can disagree with the lifestyle that someone lives and still treat that person with respect and love that person.

[KingNothing]

Right, because refusing to give legal recognition to gay relationships is the same as "hating" and "refusing to tolerate" gay people.

I've been involved in several threads on this message board where people most certainly do not view gay people as moral individuals, simply because of who they're attracted to. I'd consider that an absurd prejudice, hatred, and display of intolerance, yes. What else could it be called?

It might not be violent and the owner of such bigotry is allowed to possess it, no doubt about that, but that doesn't mean it represents a pinnacle of virtue and excellence -which Paul always tells us to strive towards. We can all do better than such petty prejudice and collectivist nonsense.

[KingNothing]

No, that simply isn't true at all. You can disagree with the lifestyle that someone lives and still treat that person with respect and love that person.

They just aren't allowed to do some of the things that you do. Because they aren't moral, and the current laws don't always apply to them.

Maybe you should stop "disagreeing with lifestyle" and let people live how their nature asks them to live. Besides, who are you to disagree with anyone's lifestyle? And before you say that I'm judging you and yours, I'm not. I'm judging the antiquated line of collectivist thinking that allows you to think that because someone is biologically driven to be attracted to a person of the same sex, their "lifestyle" is not good enough for you.


And, again, I'm not advocating for any sort of special treatment for gayfolks. I want no special laws or privileges granted to them. All I'm suggesting is that we learn to respect them and their "lifestyle" just the same as we'd learn to respect the lifestyle of ANY contributing member of society, person capable of loving and being loved, or anyone else. This silly passing of judgement on others based on sexual preference.... well... it's not the best we can do.

[libertariantexas]

I'm not surprised the corporate PR guy died.

After furor the CEO kicked up with his comments, I'll bet the PR guy was working 24-7 doing damage control.

It's not surprising the stress got to him and brought about his death.

The Chick fil A CEO effectively killed his PR guy with his anti-gay rant. I wonder if he feels bad.

Probably not.

[BamaAla]

I'm not surprised the corporate PR guy died.

After furor the CEO kicked up with his comments, I'll bet the PR guy was working 24-7 doing damage control.

It's not surprising the stress got to him and brought about his death.

The Chick fil A CEO effectively killed his PR guy with his anti-gay rant. I wonder if he feels bad.

Probably not.

Yes Doctor, that's exactly what happened.

[Peace&Freedom]

They just aren't allowed to do some of the things that you do. Because they aren't moral, and the current laws don't always apply to them.

Maybe you should stop "disagreeing with lifestyle" and let people live how their nature asks them to live. Besides, who are you to disagree with anyone's lifestyle? And before you say that I'm judging you and yours, I'm not. I'm judging the antiquated line of collectivist thinking that allows you to think that because someone is biologically driven to be attracted to a person of the same sex, their "lifestyle" is not good enough for you.


And, again, I'm not advocating for any sort of special treatment for gayfolks. I want no special laws or privileges granted to them. All I'm suggesting is that we learn to respect them and their "lifestyle" just the same as we'd learn to respect the lifestyle of ANY contributing member of society, person capable of loving and being loved, or anyone else. This silly passing of judgement on others based on sexual preference.... well... it's not the best we can do.

Perhaps the best we can do is not couch the subject in terms of forcing Christians to accept the "they're biologically driven" to homosexual behavior secular mythology. This line of thinking packs so many disputed notions into its articulation that it becomes a counter collectivist dogma, or sauce for the goose of traditionalist dogma. I view the thinking as double talk, because while it says it does not treat gays as 'special' it turns around and savages anybody that denounces their behavior the same as they would denounce any other "productive contributor to society" who also did bad behavior.

Are we supposed to 'respect' John Edwards' adulteries, because you could argue he was otherwise "productive" as a Senator? Shall we 'respect' alcoholism, because some alcoholics have positive talents? Why is performing homosexual acts uniquely supposed to be given proxy 'respect' compared to any other 'mixed bag' situation concerning individuals? Because, yes, you are asking to give them special treatment or rights. I ask that you respect people who treat homosexual behavior separately from the person, instead of calling them intolerant for making the distinction.

[jonhowe]

I'm surprised to see some of the posts in this thread. I have (and everyone here should have) no problem with someone thinking whatever they want. If they're a Christian that believes homosexuality is a sin, fine. The problem is, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to infringe on the rights of others, and those who support these constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage are doing just that. If you think it's wrong for them to be married, then don't let them marry in your church. Just don't impose your religious beliefs on the rest of the nation.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -1st amendment, U.S. Constitution.


This. Exactly.

[BlackTerrel]

The only agenda I can figure so far is a government divide and conquer strategy. Their chief spokesperson wasn't inflammatory enough and he didn't say enough anti-gay rhetoric in order to play into the establishment's goal of pinning gays against fundamentalists and vice versa.

That's because you live in a world where spooks sit in smoke filled rooms and just decide to do evil all day purely for the sake of doing evil.

Most people who die of heart attacks just die of heart attacks. I know that's boring.

[BlackTerrel]

I know someone who died of a heart attack in his 30s. Its one of the leading causes of death in this country with tons of contributing factors. Genetics, diet, lifestyle, stress...

It's one of the leading causes of death because that's what our government uses to take people out. I'd say at least 90% of such deaths are caused by the government.

[cstarace]

Yes Doctor, that's exactly what happened.
It's certainly more plausible than a bunch of gay activists sitting around in a room conspiring to stage the death of Chick-fil-A's head spokesman.

[BlackTerrel]

It's certainly more plausible than a bunch of gay activists sitting around in a room conspiring to stage the death of Chick-fil-A's head spokesman.

I'd like to know where Lance Bass was when this happened.

[KingNothing]

Are we supposed to 'respect' John Edwards' adulteries, because you could argue he was otherwise "productive" as a Senator? Shall we 'respect' alcoholism, because some alcoholics have positive talents? Why is performing homosexual acts uniquely supposed to be given proxy 'respect' compared to any other 'mixed bag' situation concerning individuals? Because, yes, you are asking to give them special treatment or rights. I ask that you respect people who treat homosexual behavior separately from the person, instead of calling them intolerant for making the distinction.

There is NOTHING inherently wrong about homosexuality. It harms NO ONE. Infidelity breaks a vow and a contract. Alcoholism is a medical condition that can be treated and overcome. Being gay is just.... finding attractive adults who society says you shouldn't find attractive. And, for what its worth, I don't think that we should judge alcoholics or men and women who cheat, either. Everyone has a story. You'll never know all of it, or what would have happened to you if you led their life.

[KingNothing]

I'm surprised to see some of the posts in this thread. I have (and everyone here should have) no problem with someone thinking whatever they want. If they're a Christian that believes homosexuality is a sin, fine. The problem is, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to infringe on the rights of others, and those who support these constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage are doing just that. If you think it's wrong for them to be married, then don't let them marry in your church. Just don't impose your religious beliefs on the rest of the nation.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -1st amendment, U.S. Constitution.


It would take an amazing amount of cognitive dissonance to disagree with this.

[Peace&Freedom]

I'm surprised to see some of the posts in this thread. I have (and everyone here should have) no problem with someone thinking whatever they want. If they're a Christian that believes homosexuality is a sin, fine. The problem is, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to infringe on the rights of others, and those who support these constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage are doing just that. If you think it's wrong for them to be married, then don't let them marry in your church. Just don't impose your religious beliefs on the rest of the nation.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -1st amendment, U.S. Constitution.

Another example of asserting disputed premises as a settled matter. Christians and other traditionalists do not want SECULAR beliefs imposed on THEM, such as "there's nothing wrong with homosexuality," or "people are born that way, and cannot change," or "their rights are being infringed on," and so on. Even the presentation about the establishment clause reflects the draconian secularist 'separation' interpretation dominant since post WW II, and not the historic, Founders' view (that the federal government not endorse a specific CHURCH denomination, but states were perfectly free to do so; the amendment never intended to separate God and government).

Marriage is not a 'right' in the first place, it is a religious RITE where vows are made to God to bless a union. So of course religion is involved, as God will not bless sin, and as a historic religious concept is being forcibly re-defined using state coercion. Traditionalists will NOT drink the kool aid or marketing spin that misframes the issue as one of 'discrimination' or 'genetics' in order to give homosexuality bogus legitimacy. Those social left concepts are the very things being disagreed with, yet are presented as self-evident and not to be challenged. That is the essence of dogma in action, be it imposed by authoritarians of the left on the right, or the right on the left. What is so complicated about not imposing the values of San Francisco on the Bible belt? Don't impose such secular humanist beliefs on the rest of the nation, either.

[KingNothing]

Don't people just sound completely insane when they try to say that being gay is a sin, and that if you're tolerant of gay people you're focing insane people to accept your values?