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green73
07-27-2012, 08:36 AM
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jail-collecting-rainwater-his-property


A rural Oregon man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in jail and over $1,500 in fines because he had three reservoirs on his property to collect and use rainwater.

Gary Harrington of Eagle Point, Ore., says he plans to appeal his conviction in Jackson County (Ore.) Circuit Court on nine misdemeanor charges under a 1925 law for having what state water managers called “three illegal reservoirs” on his property – and for filling the reservoirs with rainwater and snow runoff.

“The government is bullying,” Harrington told CNSNews.com in an interview Thursday.

“They’ve just gotten to be big bullies and if you just lay over and die and give up, that just makes them bigger bullies. So, we as Americans, we need to stand on our constitutional rights, on our rights as citizens and hang tough. This is a good country, we’ll prevail,” he said.

The court has given Harrington two weeks to report to the Jackson County Jail to begin serving his sentence.

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Harrington said the case first began in 2002, when state water managers told him there were complaints about the three “reservoirs” – ponds – on his more than 170 acres of land.

According to Oregon water laws, all water is publicly owned. Therefore, anyone who wants to store any type of water on their property must first obtain a permit from state water managers.

Harrington said he applied for three permits to legally house reservoirs for storm and snow water runoff on his property. One of the “reservoirs” had been on his property for 37 years, he said.

Though the state Water Resources Department initially approved his permits in 2003, the state – and a state court -- ultimately reversed the decision.

“They issued me my permits. I had my permits in hand and they retracted them just arbitrarily, basically. They took them back and said ‘No, you can’t have them,’ so I’ve been fighting it ever since,” Harrington told CNSNews.com.

The case, he said, is centered on a 1925 law which states that the city of Medford holds exclusive rights to “all core sources of water” in the Big Butte Creek watershed and its tributaries.

“Way back in 1925 the city of Medford got a unique withdrawal that withdrew all -- supposedly all -- the water out of a single basin and supposedly for the benefit of the city of Medford,” Harrington told CNSNews.com.

Harrington told CNSNews.com, however, that the 1925 law doesn’t mention anything about colleting rainwater or snow melt -- and he believes that he has been falsely accused.

“The withdrawal said the stream and its tributaries. It didn’t mention anything about rainwater and it didn’t mention anything about snow melt and it didn’t mention anything about diffused water, but yet now, they’re trying to expand that to include that rain water and they’re using me as the goat to do it,” Harrington

But Tom Paul, administrator of the Oregon Water Resources Department, claims that Harrington has been violating the state’s water use law by diverting water from streams running into the Big Butte River.

“The law that he is actually violating is not the 1925 provision, but it’s Oregon law that says all of the water in the state of Oregon is public water and if you want to use that water, either to divert it or to store it, you have to acquire a water right from the state of Oregon before doing that activity,” Paul told CNSNews.com.

Yet Paul admitted the 1925 law does apply because, he said, Harrington constructed dams to block a tributary to the Big Butte, which Medford uses for its water supply.

“There are dams across channels, water channels where the water would normally flow if it were not for the dam and so those dams are stopping the water from flowing in the channel and storing it- holding it so it cannot flow downstream,” Paul told CNSNews.com.

Harrington, however, argued in court that that he is not diverting water from Big Butte Creek, but the dams capturing the rainwater and snow runoff – or “diffused water” – are on his own property and that therefore the runoff does not fall under the jurisdiction of the state water managers, nor does it not violate the 1925 act.

In 2007, a Jackson County Circuit Court judge denied Harrington’s permits and found that he had illegally “withdrawn the water at issue from appropriation other than for the City of Medford.”

According to Paul, Harrington entered a guilty plea at the time, received three years probation and was ordered to open up the water gates.

“A very short period of time following the expiration of his probation, he once again closed the gates and re-filled the reservoirs,” Paul told CNSNews.com. “So, this has been going on for some time and I think frankly the court felt that Mr. Harrington was not getting the message and decided that they’d already given him probation once and required him to open the gates and he refilled his reservoirs and it was business as usual for him, so I think the court wanted -- it felt it needed -- to give a stiffer penalty to get Mr. Harrington’s attention.”

In two weeks, if unsuccessful in his appeals, Harrington told CNSNews.com that he will report to the Jackson County Jail to serve his sentence.

“I follow the rules. If I’m mandated to report, I’m going to report. Of course, I’m going to do what it takes in the meantime to prevent that, but if I’m not successful, I’ll be there,” Harrington said.

But Harrington also said that he will never stop fighting the government on this issue.

“When something is wrong, you just, as an American citizen, you have to put your foot down and say, ‘This is wrong; you just can’t take away anymore of my rights and from here on in, I’m going to fight it.”

Dr.3D
07-27-2012, 08:38 AM
The state doesn't want people to use what they believe doesn't belong to them. "The rain belongs to everybody. /s"

AuH20
07-27-2012, 08:41 AM
What about dams that the feds and states build? :)

youngbuck
07-27-2012, 08:42 AM
A definite knock on Oregon's freedom index. How many other states claim to have right over all water within their borders?

green73
07-27-2012, 08:52 AM
A definite knock on Oregon's freedom index. How many other states claim to have right over all water within their borders?

I think Washington state does.

angelatc
07-27-2012, 08:53 AM
But Tom Paul, administrator of the Oregon Water Resources Department, claims that Harrington has been violating the state’s water use law by diverting water from streams running into the Big Butte River.

“The law that he is actually violating is not the 1925 provision, but it’s Oregon law that says all of the water in the state of Oregon is public water and if you want to use that water, either to divert it or to store it, you have to acquire a water right from the state of Oregon before doing that activity,” Paul told CNSNews.com.

This is remarkably like the commerce clause ruling that gutted states' rights.

jbauer
07-27-2012, 08:57 AM
Really? A rain catch? How big are we talking here? Gallons, Sq Acers? I could see someone getting upset if he has a 100 acre'2 lake, but really rain and snow melt?

Maybe he should claim beavers built it. Or claim since beavers did it they need to NDAA'ed as terorists

Working Poor
07-27-2012, 09:54 AM
Are rain barrel sales illegal now?

Dr.3D
07-27-2012, 10:19 AM
This is remarkably like the commerce clause ruling that gutted states' rights.
They are taking that out of context. It was supposed to mean water that was already on the ground. Somebody has their head up their butt.

Bruno
07-27-2012, 10:39 AM
All your water are belong to us

Lindsey
07-27-2012, 10:54 AM
It sounds to me like he ruffled someone's feathers and they are misconstruing some obscure law to make his life miserable.

Kluge
07-27-2012, 10:56 AM
I take it that ponds and swimming pools are illegal there too?

Tod
07-27-2012, 10:58 AM
I think that is common for western states and many of those laws date back a long time, when a ranch upstream could basically use all of the water for BOTH irrigation and cattle, depriving their neighbors downstream of water for cattle.

Includes any sort of water collection system, including rain barrels fed by roof gutters.

Even states fight over water rights....

Tod
07-27-2012, 11:07 AM
All your water are belong to us

Over the past year, I've seen a lot of phrases written purposefully incorrectly like that. Anyone know the origins of that?

kathy88
07-27-2012, 11:10 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-base-are-belong-to-us



the quote originally appeared in the opening dialogue of Zero Wing, a nostalgic 16-bit shoot’em up game released in 1989

LibertyRevolution
07-27-2012, 11:28 AM
Um, snow melt and rain water feeds the river.. He built dams to prevent the snow melt from reaching the river.
It seems to me he is breaking the law... He is diverting the "river" water onto his property.

This is a touchy subject.. I understand both side of this argument.. Water is a shared resource, but its on private property..
The laws are protecting the river so that everyone doesn't just divert the run off water to their land, the river would dry up.

You have to remember, unless you have allodial title you only own real estate, the top of the land.
The government owns the ground, the water, the rain that falls.. all of it.

Austrian Econ Disciple
07-27-2012, 11:34 AM
Um, snow melt and rain water feeds the river.. He built dams to prevent the snow melt from reaching the river.
It seems to me he is breaking the law... He is diverting the "river" water onto his property.

This is a touchy subject.. I understand both side of this argument.. Water is a shared resource, but its on private property..
The laws are protecting the river so that everyone doesn't just divert the run off water to their land, the river would dry up.

You have to remember, unless you have allodial title you only own real estate, the top of the land.
The government owns the ground, the water, the rain that falls.. all of it.

Nay, the Government claims to own it, but they have no just appropriation so, they do not own it. Does the robber own your wallet, merely because they claim it, or possess it?

Tod
07-27-2012, 11:38 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-base-are-belong-to-us

+rep!

Bruno
07-27-2012, 12:37 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-base-are-belong-to-us


Thanks for responding to Tod, I was out for a run.

kathy88
07-27-2012, 01:03 PM
No probs guys. That website rocks. Great funny stuff.

LibertyRevolution
07-28-2012, 03:20 PM
Nay, the Government claims to own it, but they have no just appropriation so, they do not own it. Does the robber own your wallet, merely because they claim it, or possess it?

You do not own the ground or the water unless you have an allodial title.. The government owns it.
You just own real estate...Why do you think you pay property tax?

green73
07-28-2012, 03:32 PM
Why do you think you pay property tax?

Because we are slaves?


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