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John F Kennedy III
07-26-2012, 04:37 PM
Bombshell: Leaked UN Treaty Does Ban Guns


Treacherous wording upholds “States” gun rights but not individuals

Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
July 26, 2012


The text of the anticipated and hotly-contested United Nations Arms Trade Treaty has been leaked, with the treaty itself set to be adopted and signed by member States as early as tomorrow, July 27. President Obama, today joining the chorus for gun control inside the United States in the wake of the Batman massacre, has previously indicated that he would sign the treaty, which would then have to be ratified by the Senate.

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Masked behind the language of promoting peace in an international world by preventing genocide, the UN has unleashed a great Trojan Horse that calls upon States to enact national legislation sufficient to meet the minimum goals outlined in this treaty– including gun registries, background checks, import/export controls and more for arms of all types, including small & conventional weapons. “Each State Party shall adopt national legislation or other appropriate national measures regulations and policies as may be necessary to implement the obligations of this Treaty,” the treaty text states in part.

It makes specific note that the treaty places no limit upon greater gun control efforts within individual nations, and additionally places no expiration on the agreement. The scope of this language proves the analysis by Infowars (1, 2, 3, 4), writers at Forbes and many other publications that have been warning about this deceptive encroachment to be correct– there is an effort to disarm America underway.

The devil, as usual, is in the details.

Repeatedly, the treaty obligates States to establish “national control systems” to meet the particulars of the treaty. While the phrase “within national laws and regulations” appears to suggest that the 2nd Amendment would limit the implementation, properly read in the context of the wording and history itself, it really only invites new “regulations” where no “law” can be established.

These international goals will undoubtedly pressure changes in the executive branches’ many policies, as we have already seen with the ATF, who are trying to outlaw most types of shotguns, and who separately placed greater reporting burdens on gun shops in the Southwest border states as a response to the Fast & Furious set-up by Eric Holder & co. to demonize and destroy gun ownership.


The first “principle” outlined in the preamble reads: “1. The inherent rights of all States to individual or collective self-defense.” While the language of the treaty appears to recognize the legal right to keep such arms, the text actually recognizes the “inherent right of States” to “individual and collective” self-defense.

This is NOT the same as individual persons’ inherent right to keep and bear arms as recognized and enumerated in the United States’ Bill of Rights. Instead, it puts the collectivist unit known as the State above the individual, in complete defiance of the system set-up in the United States. Individual defense for a State, for instance, refers to what is known on the international scene as “unilateral war,” while collective defense is recognize in such actions as that of NATO or other allied bodies. The States’ right to maintain internal order has also been recognized by the UN, but all other purposes for arms ownership are seen as illegitimate.

It specifically recognizes [only] the “lawful private ownership and use of conventional arms exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities for States where such ownership and use are permitted or protected by law.” There’s been a great deal of rhetoric from gun grabbers over the years attempting to emphasize gun ownership for legitimate sporting uses, but the real purpose of arms ownership is a balance of power at the individual level in order to discourage tyranny at the State level. THAT is what the founding fathers intended, and that is the historical legacy Americans cherish.

NO SPECIFIC PROTECTION for individual persons is contained in this dangerous treaty, though the same media who’ve been demonizing critics of the UN’s effort as delusional and paranoid will attempt to argue otherwise, clinging to deliberately inserted clauses herein that look like stop-guards and protections for gun rights, but properly read, do no such thing.

While the UN advises States to keep within the scope of their own laws, the end-run assault against American’s 2nd Amendment is unmistakeable.

The text was released two days ago, but has received almost no attention in the press. The International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights and The Examiner have analyzed the treaty, while pointing out that member states like France have “let slip that their ultimate goal is to regulate legitimately-owned ‘weapons.’”

The United Nations has a sordid history of pursuing “general and complete disarmament,” and individual arms including legally owned arms have always been part of that focus. The United Nations treaty from 2001, known as the “SADC Protocol: Southern African Development Community” is, according to the UN’s own disarmament website, a “regional instrument that aims to curtail small arms ownership and illicit trafficking in Southern Africa along with the destruction of surplus state weapons. It is a far-reaching instrument, which goes beyond that of a politically binding declaration, providing the region with a legal basis upon which to deal with both the legal and the illicit trade in firearms.”

As we have previously noted, U.S. troops have been trained to confiscate American guns, while the confiscation in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina has already set the precedent. The deception over aiming for legal guns while pretending to target “illicit” weapons is continued here in this 2012 monster treaty.

Below is the text in full, as it has been proposed and released. Any changes in the signed version will be noted when that time comes:

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UNITED NATIONS ARMS TRADE TREATY TEXT

PREAMBLE

The States Parties to this Treaty.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

Recalling that the charter of the UN promotes the establishment and maintenance of international peace and security with the least diversion for armaments of the world’s human and economic resources;

Reaffirming the obligation of all State Parties to settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered, in accordance with the Charter of the UN;

Underlining the need to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade of conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to illegal and unauthorized end use, such as terrorism and organized crime;

Recognizing the legitimate political, security, economic and commercial rights and interests of States in the international trade of conventional arms;

Reaffirming the sovereign right and responsibility of any State to regulate and control transfers of conventional arms that take place exclusively within its territory pursuant to its own legal or constitutional systems;

Recognizing that development, human rights and peace and security, which are three pillars of the United Nations, are interlinked and mutually reinforcing.

Recalling the United Nations Disarmament Commission guidelines on international arms transfers adopted by the General Assembly;

Noting the contribution made by the 2001 UN Programme of Action to preventing combating and eradicating the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, as well as the 2001 Protocol against the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in Firearms, their parts and components and ammunition, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime;

Recognizing the security, social, economic and humanitarian consequences of the illicit trade in and unregulated trade of conventional arms;

Recognizing the challenges faced by victims of armed conflict and their need for adequate care, rehabilitation and social and economic inclusion;

Bearing in mind that the women and children are particularly affected in situations of conflict and armed violence;

Emphasizing that nothing in this treaty prevents States from exercising their right to adopt additional more rigorous measures consistent with the purpose of this Treaty;

Recognizing the legitimate international trade and lawful private ownership and use of conventional arms exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities for States where such ownership and use are permitted or protected by law;

Recognizing the active role that non-governmental organizations and civil society can play in furthering the goals and objectives of this Treaty; and

16. Emphasizing that regulation of the international trade in conventional arms should not hamper international cooperation and legitimate trade in material, equipment and technology for peaceful purposes;

Have agreed as follows:

Principles

Guided by the Purposes and Principles of the Charter of the United Nations, States Parties, In promoting the goals and objectives of this Treaty and implementing its provisions, shall act in accordance with the following principles:

The inherent rights of all States to individual or collective self-defense;

2. Settlement of individual disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;

3. The rights and obligations of States under applicable international law, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law;

4. The responsibility of all States, in accordance with their respective international obligations, to effectively regulate and control international transfer of conventional arms as well as the primary responsibility of all States to in establishing and implementing their respective national export control systems; and

5. The necessity to implement this Treaty consistently and effectively and in a universal, objective and non-discriminatory manner.

Article 1
Goals and Objectives

Cognizant of the need to prevent and combat the diversion of conventional arms into the illicit market or to unauthorized end users through the improvement of regulation on the international trade in conventional arms,

The goals and objectives of this Treaty are:

- For States Parties to establish the highest possible common standards for regulating or improving regulation of the international trade in conventional arms;

- To prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in conventional arms and their diversion to illegal and unauthorized end use;

In order to:

- Contribute to international and regional peace, security and stability;

- Avoid that the international trade in conventional arms contributes to human suffering;

- Promote cooperation, transparency and responsibility of States Parties in the trade in conventional arms, thus building confidence among States Parties,

Article 2

- A. Covered Items

- 1. This Treaty shall apply to all conventional arms within the following categories:

- a. Battle Tanks

- b. Armored combat vehicles

- c. Large-caliber Artillery systems

- d. Combat aircraft

- e. Attack helicopters

- f. Warships

- g. Missiles and missile launchers

- h. Small Arms and Light Weapons

- 2. Each State Party Shall establish and Maintain a national control system to regulate the export of munitions to the extent necessary to ensure that national controls on the export of the conventional arms covered by Paragraph a1 (a)-(h) are not circumvented by the export of munitions for those conventional arms.

- 3. Each State Party shall establish and maintain a national control system to regulate the export of parts and components to the extent necessary to ensure that national controls on the export of the conventional arms covered by Paragraph A1 are not circumvented by the export of parts and components of those items.

- 4. Each State Party shall establish or update, as appropriate, and maintain a national control list that shall include the items that fall within Paragraph 1 above, as defined on a national basis, based on relevant UN instruments at a minimum. Each State Party shall publish its control list to the extent permitted by national law.

- B. Covered Activities

- 1. This Treaty shall apply to those activities of the international trade in conventional arms covered in paragraph a1 above, and set out in Articles 6-10, hereafter referred to as “transfer.”

- 2. This Treaty shall not apply to the international movement of conventional arms by a State Party or its agents for its armed forces or law enforcement authorities operating outside its national territories, provided they remain under the State Party’s ownership.

Article 3
Prohibited Transfers

A State Party shall not authorize any transfer of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty if the transfer would violate any obligation under any measure adopted by the United Nations Security Council acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, in particular arms embargoes.

A State Party shall not authorize any transfer of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty if the transfer would violate its relevant international obligations, under international agreements, to which it is a Party, in particular those relating to the international transfer of, or illicit trafficking in, conventional arms.

A State Party shall not authorize a transfer of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty for the purpose of facilitating the commission of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes constituting grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 1949, or serious violations of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention of 1949.

Article 4
National Assessment

Each State Party, in considering whether to authorize an export of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty, shall, prior to authorization and through national control systems, make an assessment specific to the circumstances of the transfer based on the following criteria:

Whether the proposed export of conventional arms would:

Be used to commit or facilitate serious violations of international humanitarian law;
Be used to commit or facilitate serious violations of international human rights law;
Contribute to peace and security;
Be used to commit or facilitate an act constituting an offense under international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism or transnational organized crime, to which the transferring State is a Party;

In making the assessment, the transferring State Party shall apply the criteria set out in Paragraph 2 consistently and in an objective and non-discriminatory manner and in accordance with the principles set out in this Treaty, taking into account relevant factors, including information provided by the importing State.

4. In assessing the risk pursuant to Paragraph 2, the transferring State Party may also take into consideration the establishment of risk mitigation measures including confidence-building measures and jointly developed programs by the exporting and importing State.

5. If in the view of the authorizing State Party, this assessment, which would include any actions that may be taken in accordance with Paragraph 4, constitutes a substantial risk, the State Party shall not authorize the transfer.

Article 5
Additional Obligations

Each State Party, when authorizing an export, shall consider taking feasible measures, including joint actions with other States involved in the transfer, to avoid the transferred arms:
being diverted to the illicit market;
be used to commit or facilitate gender-based violence or violence against children;
become subject to corrupt practices; or
adversely impact the development of the recipient State.

Article 6
General Implementation

Each State Party shall implement this Treaty in a consistent, objective and non-discriminatory manner in accordance with the goals and objectives of this Treaty;

The implementation of this Treaty shall not prejudice previous or future obligations undertaken with regards to international instruments, provided that those obligations are consistent with the goals and objectives of this Treaty. This Treaty shall not be cited as grounds for voiding contractual obligations under defense cooperation agreements concluded by States Parties to this Treaty.

Each State Party shall take all appropriate legislative and administrative measures necessary to implement the provisions of this Treaty and designate competent national authorities in order to have an effective, transparent and predictable national control system regulating the transfer of conventional arms;

Each State Party shall establish one or more national contact points to exchange information on matters related to the implementation of this Treaty. A State Party shall notify the Implementation Support Unit (See Article 13) of its national contact point(s) and keep the information updated.

State Parties involved in a transfer of conventional arms shall, in a manner consistent with the principles of this Treaty, take appropriate measures to prevent diversion to the illicit market or to unauthorized end-users. All State Parties shall cooperate, as appropriate, with the exporting State to that end.

If a diversion is detected the State or States Parties that made the decision shall verify the State or States Parties that could be affected by such diversion, in particulate those State Parties that are involved in the transfer, without delay.

Each State Party shall take the appropriate measures, within national laws and regulations, to regulate transfers of conventional arms within the scope of the Treaty.

Article 7
Export

Each State Party shall conduct risk assessments, as detailed in Articles 4 and 5, whether to grant authorizations for the transfer of conventional arms under the scope of this Treaty. State Parties shall apply Articles 3-5 consistently, taking into account all relevant information, including the nature and potential use of the items to be transferred and the verified end-user in the country of final destination.

Each State Party shall take measures to ensure all authorizations for the export of conventional arms under the scope of the Treaty are detailed and issued prior to the export. Appropriate and relevant details of the authorization shall be made available to the importing, transit and transshipment State Parties, upon request.

Article 8
Import

Importing State Parties shall take measures to ensure that appropriate and relevant information is provided, upon request, to the exporting State Party to assist the exporting State in its criteria assessment and to assist in verifying end users.

State Parties shall put in place adequate measures that will allow them, where necessary, to monitor and control imports of items covered by the scope of the Treaty. State Parties shall also adopt appropriate measures to prevent the diversion of imported items to unauthorized end users or to the illicit market.

Importing State Parties may request, where necessary, information from the exporting State Party concerning potential authorizations.

Article 9
Brokering

Each State Party shall take the appropriate measures, within national laws and regulations, to control brokering taking place under its jurisdiction for conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty.

Article 10
Transit and Transshipment

Each State Party shall adopt appropriate legislative, administrative or other measures to monitor and control, where necessary and feasible, conventional arms covered by this Treaty that transit or transship through territory under its jurisdiction, consistent with international law with due regard for innocent passage and transit passage;

Importing and exporting States Parties shall cooperate and exchange information, where feasible and upon request, to transit and transshipment States Parties, in order to mitigate the risk of discretion;

Article 11
Reporting, Record Keeping and Transparency

Each State Party shall maintain records in accordance with its national laws and regardless of the items referred to in Article 2, Paragraph A, with regards to conventional arms authorization or exports, and where feasible of those items transferred to their territory as the final destination, or that are authorized to transit or transship their territory, respectively.

Such records may contain: quantity, value, model/type, authorized arms transfers, arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s), recipient State(s), and end users as appropriate. Records shall be kept for a minimum of ten years, or consistent with other international commitments applicable to the State Party.

States Parties may report to the Implementation Support Unit on an annual basis any actions taken to address the diversion of conventional arms to the illicit market.

Each State Party shall, within the first year after entry into force of this Treaty for that State Party, provide an initial report to States Parties of relevant activities undertaken in order to implement this Treaty; including inter alia, domestic laws, regulations and administrative measures. States Parties shall report any new activities undertaken in order to implement this Treaty, when appropriate. Reports shall be distributed and made public by the Implementation Support Unit.

Each State Party shall submit annually to the Implementation Support Unit by 31 May a report for the preceding calendar year concerning the authorization or actual transfer of items included in Article 2, Paragraph A1. Reports shall be distributed and made public by the Implementation Support Unit. The report submitted to the Implementation Support Unit may contain the same type of information submitted by the State Party to other relevant UN bodies, including the UN Register of Conventional Arms. Reports will be consistent with national security sensitivities or be commercially sensitive.

ARTICLE 12
ENFORCEMENT

Each State Party shall adopt national legislation or other appropriate national measures regulations and policies as may be necessary to implement the obligations of this Treaty.

ARTICLE 13
IMPLEMENTATION SUPPORT UNIT

This Treaty hereby establishes an Implementation Support Unit to assist States Parties in its implementation.
The ISU shall consist of adequate staff, with necessary expertise to ensure the mandate entrusted to it can be effectively undertaken, with the core costs funded by States Parties.
The implementation Support Unit, within a minimized structure and responsible to States Parties, shall undertake the responsibilities assigned to it in this Treaty, inter alia:
Receive distribute reports, on behalf of the Depository, and make them publicly available;
Maintain and Distribute regularly to States Parties the up-to-date list of national contact points;
Facilitate the matching of offers and requests of assistance for Treaty implementation and promote international cooperation as requested;
Facilitate the work of the Conference of States Parties, including making arrangements and providing the necessary service es for meetings under this Treaty; and
Perform other duties as mandated by the Conference of States Parties.

ARTICLE 14
INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION

States Parties shall designate national points of contact to act as a liaison on matters relating to the implementation of this Treaty.
States Parties shall cooperate closely with one another, as appropriate, to enhance the implementation of this Treaty consistent with their respective security interests and legal and administrative systems.

States Parties are encouraged to facilitate international cooperation, including the exchange of information on matters of mutual interest regarding the implementation and application of this Treaty in accordance with their national legal system. Such voluntary exchange of information may include, inter alia, information on national implementation measures as well as information on specific exporters, importers and brokers and on any prosecutions brought domestically, consistent with commercial and proprietary protections and domestic laws, regulations and respective legal and administrative systems.

4. Each State Party is encouraged to maintain consultations and to share information, as appropriate, to support the implementation of this Treaty, including through their national contact points.

5. States Parties shall cooperate to enforce the provisions of this Treaty and combat breaches of this Treaty, including sharing information regarding illicit activities and actors to assist national enforcement and to counter and prevent diversion. States Parties may also exchange information on lessons learned in relation to any aspect of this Treaty, to develop best practices to assist national implementation.

Article 15
International Assistance

In fulfilling the obligation of this Treaty, States Parties may seek, inter alia, legal assistance, legislative assistance, technical assistance, institutional capacity building, material assistance or financial assistance. States, in a position to do so, shall provide such assistance. States Parties may contribute resources to a voluntary trust fund to assist requesting States Parties requiring such assistance to implement the Treaty.

States Parties shall afford one another the widest measure of assistance, consistent with their respective legal and administrative systems, in investigations, prosecutions and judicial proceedings in relation to the violations of the national measures implemented to comply with obligations under of the provisions of this Treaty.

Each State Party may offer or receive assistance, inter alia, through the United Nations international, regional, subregional or national organizations, non-governmental organizations or on a bi-lateral basis. Such assistance may include technical, financial, material and other forms of assistance as needed, upon request.

Article 16
Signature, Ratification, Acceptance, Approval or Accession

This Treaty shall be open for signature on [date] at the United Nations Headquarters in New York by all States and regional integration organizations.
This Treaty is subject to ratification, acceptance or approval of the Signatories.
This Treaty shall be open for accession by any state and regional integration organization that has not signed the Treaty.

4. The instruments of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession shall be deposited with the Depositary.

5. The Depositary shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States and regional integration organizations of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession and the date of the entry into force of this Treaty, and of the receipt of notices.

6. “Regional integration organization” shall mean an organization constituted by sovereign States of a given region, to which its Member States have transferred competence in respect of matters governed by this Treaty and which has been duly authorized, in accordance with its internal procedures, to sign, ratify, accept, approve or accede to it.

7. At the time of its ratification, acceptance, approval or accession, a regional integration organization shall declare the extent of its competence with respect to matters governed by this Treaty. Such organizations shall also inform the Depositary of any relevant modifications in the extent of it competence.

8. References to “State Parties” in the present Treaty shall apply to such organizations within the limits of their competence.

Article 17
Entry into Force

This Treaty shall enter into force thirty days following the date of the deposit of the sixty-fifth instrument of ratification, acceptance or approval with the Depositary.

For any State or regional integration organization that deposits its instruments of accession subsequent to the entry into force of the Treaty, the Treaty shall enter into force thirty days following the date of deposit of its instruments of accession.

For the purpose of Paragraph 1 and 2 above, any instrument deposited by a regional integration organization shall not be counted as additional to those deposited by Member States of that organization.

Article 18
Withdrawal and Duration

This Treaty shall be of unlimited duration.

Each State Party shall, in exercising its national sovereignty, have the right to withdraw from this Convention. It shall give notice of such withdrawal to all other States Parties from this Convention. It shall give notice of such withdrawal to all other States Parties and to the Depositary. The instrument of withdrawal shall include a full explanation of the reasons motivating this withdrawal.

A state shall not be discharged, by reason of its withdrawal, from the obligations arising from this treaty while it was a party to the Treaty, including any financial obligations, which may have accrued.

Article 19
Reservations

Each State party, in exercising its national sovereignty, may formulate reservations unless the reservation is incompatible with the object and purpose of this Treaty.

Article 20
Amendments

At any time after the Treaty’s entry into force, a State Party may propose an amendment to this Treaty.

Any proposed amendment shall be submitted in writing to the Depository, which will then circulate the proposal to all States Parties, not less than 180 days before next meeting of the Conference of States Parties. The amendment shall be considered at the next Conference of States Parties if a majority of States Parties notify the Implementation Support Unit that they support further consideration of the proposal no later than 180 days after its circulation by the Depositary.

Any amendment to this Treaty shall be adopted by consensus, or if consensus is not achieved, by two-thirds of the States Parties present and voting at the Conference of States Parties. The Depositary shall communicate any amendment to all States Parties.

A proposed amendment adopted in accordance with Paragraph 3 of this Article shall enter into force for all States Parties to the Treaty that have accepted it, upon deposit with the Depositary. Thereafter, it shall enter into force for any remaining State Party on the date of deposit of its instrument of accession.

Article 21
Conference of States Parties

The Conference of States Parties shall be convened not later than once a year following the entry into force of this Treaty. The Conference of States Parties shall adopt rules of procedure and rules governing its activities, including the frequency of meetings and rules concerning payment of expenses incurred in carrying out those activities.

The Conference of States Parties shall:
a. Consider and adopt recommendations regarding the implementation of this Treaty, in particular the promotion of its universality; TR

b. Consider amendments to this Treaty;

c. Consider and decide the work and budget of the Implementation Support Unit;

d. Consider the establishment of any subsidiary bodies as may be necessary to improve the functioning of the Treaty;

e. Perform any other function consistent with this Treaty.

3. If circumstances merit, an exceptional meeting of the State Parties may be convened if required and resources allow.

Article 22
Dispute Settlement

States Parties shall consult and cooperate with each other to settle any dispute that may arise with regard to the interpretation or application of this Treaty.
States Parties shall settle any dispute between them concerning the interpretation or application of this Treat though negotiations or other peaceful means of the Parties mutual choice.
States Parties may pursue, by mutual consent, third party arbitration to settle any dispute between them, regarding issues concerning the implementation of this Treaty.

Article 23
Relations with States not party to this Treaty

States Parties shall apply Articles 3-5 to all transfers of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty to those not party to this Treaty.

Article 24
Relationship with other instruments

States Parties shall have the right to enter into agreements on the trade in conventional arms with regards to the international trade in conventional arms, provided that those agreements are compatible with their obligations under this Treaty and do not undermine the objects and purposes of this Treaty.

Article 25
Depositary and Authentic Texts

The Secretary-General of the United Nations is the Depositary of this Treaty.
The original text of this Treaty, of which the Arabic, Chinese, English, Russian and Spanish texts are equally authentic.

(Emphasis in bold added by this author for help in analysis)
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Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfkQkchlu4&feature=player_embedded

The UN History of Gun Disarmament with Bob Dacy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=77sgVE7Pd9M


original article here:
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un-gun-treaty-does-ban-guns/

Lucille
07-26-2012, 04:58 PM
Someone please tell me this has no chance of passing, even after the Aurora shooting.

John F Kennedy III
07-26-2012, 05:04 PM
Someone please tell me this has no chance of passing, even after the Aurora shooting.

Last I heard they needed two votes, prior to the shooting.

Lucille
07-26-2012, 05:06 PM
Oh no...

PaulConventionWV
07-26-2012, 05:11 PM
If this isn't world government representative of the NWO "conspiracy" then I don't know what is. Are any of you conspiracy deniers willing to look at this and continue to deny that there is an attempt to override our national sovereignty in the interest of an elite few who wish to dictate every nation's laws with a world government?

If this isn't the New World Order, then what is it?

hazek
07-26-2012, 05:15 PM
There is no conspiracy per se, just the state doing the only thing it knows how to do: grow and seize more power.

You wanted it, now you've got it.

Zippyjuan
07-26-2012, 05:15 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/boehner-says-he-agrees-with-obama-no-new-gun-control/1


Boehner says he agrees with Obama: No new gun control laws

Who says John Boehner and President Obama don't agree on anything?

The Republican speaker of the House said today that, like Obama and his team, last week's mass shooting in Colorado shouldn't inspire new gun control proposals.

"We had a shooting by a deranged person in Colorado and our hearts and souls go out to the victims and those who were killed and those who were injured, and their families," Boehner said.

"The president has made clear that he's not going to use this horrific event to push for new gun laws," he added. "I agree."

White House officials said there are no plans for new gun control proposals, and that Obama is still pushing for changes in existing law he pitched after the 2011 shooting in Tucson that included the wounding of then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz.

Obama spokesman Jay Carney said the president backs "common sense measures" within "existing law" that can keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, while preserving Second Amendment gun ownership rights.

"That's the balance he seeks," Carney said.

AuH20
07-26-2012, 05:18 PM
If this isn't world government representative of the NWO "conspiracy" then I don't know what is. Are any of you conspiracy deniers willing to look at this and continue to deny that there is an attempt to override our national sovereignty in the interest of an elite few who wish to dictate every nation's laws with a world government?

If this isn't the New World Order, then what is it?

Without a monopoly on force, there can be no 'order.' :) The globalists know the deal. They know they are vulnerable as long as America is armed to the teeth.

A Son of Liberty
07-26-2012, 05:18 PM
If Alex wants to be a credible news source, he'd do well to stop saying things like, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES OVER", live on the air like he did today.

Period. Full stop.

John F Kennedy III
07-26-2012, 05:20 PM
If this isn't world government representative of the NWO "conspiracy" then I don't know what is. Are any of you conspiracy deniers willing to look at this and continue to deny that there is an attempt to override our national sovereignty in the interest of an elite few who wish to dictate every nation's laws with a world government?

If this isn't the New World Order, then what is it?

I second this question ^

AGRP
07-26-2012, 05:28 PM
If Alex wants to be a credible news source, he'd do well to stop saying things like, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES OVER", live on the air like he did today.

Period. Full stop.

Really? lol

Almost as bad as essentially saying we will all be killed if we dont turn in our guns like infowars did around a week ago. Heres the thread: www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383487-Troops-Ordered-To-Kill-All-Americans-Who-Do-Not-Turn-In-Guns How much does it pay to spam forums these days?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNKUvCQFok

jkr
07-26-2012, 05:43 PM
If Alex wants to be a credible news source, he'd do well to stop saying things like, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES OVER", live on the air like he did today.

Period. Full stop.

well
A LOT
of people
think he

is...

Working Poor
07-26-2012, 05:49 PM
There is no conspiracy per se, just the state doing the only thing it knows how to do: grow and seize more power.

You wanted it, now you've got it.

These are very strange and interesting times. I am ready.

Lucille
07-26-2012, 05:54 PM
If this isn't world government representative of the NWO "conspiracy" then I don't know what is. Are any of you conspiracy deniers willing to look at this and continue to deny that there is an attempt to override our national sovereignty in the interest of an elite few who wish to dictate every nation's laws with a world government?

If this isn't the New World Order, then what is it?

Can anyone really call it a conspiracy "theory" at this point?

This so close to the Aurora shooting, which is looking more like a false flag with every passing day.

donnay
07-26-2012, 07:25 PM
Bombshell: Leaked UN Treaty Does Ban Guns

Treacherous wording upholds “States” gun rights but not individuals

Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
July 26, 2012

http://www.inetours.com/New_York/Images/UN/Pistol_4495.jpg

The text of the anticipated and hotly-contested United Nations Arms Trade Treaty has been leaked, with the treaty itself set to be adopted and signed by member States as early as tomorrow, July 27. President Obama, today joining the chorus for gun control inside the United States in the wake of the Batman massacre, has previously indicated that he would sign the treaty, which would then have to be ratified by the Senate.

Masked behind the language of promoting peace in an international world by preventing genocide, the UN has unleashed a great Trojan Horse that calls upon States to enact national legislation sufficient to meet the minimum goals outlined in this treaty– including gun registries, background checks, import/export controls and more for arms of all types, including small & conventional weapons. “Each State Party shall adopt national legislation or other appropriate national measures regulations and policies as may be necessary to implement the obligations of this Treaty,” the treaty text states in part.

It makes specific note that the treaty places no limit upon greater gun control efforts within individual nations, and additionally places no expiration on the agreement. The scope of this language proves the analysis by Infowars (1, 2, 3, 4), writers at Forbes and many other publications that have been warning about this deceptive encroachment to be correct– there is an effort to disarm America underway.

The devil, as usual, is in the details.

Repeatedly, the treaty obligates States to establish “national control systems” to meet the particulars of the treaty. While the phrase “within national laws and regulations” appears to suggest that the 2nd Amendment would limit the implementation, properly read in the context of the wording and history itself, it really only invites new “regulations” where no “law” can be established.

These international goals will undoubtedly pressure changes in the executive branches’ many policies, as we have already seen with the ATF, who are trying to outlaw most types of shotguns, and who separately placed greater reporting burdens on gun shops in the Southwest border states as a response to the Fast & Furious set-up by Eric Holder & co. to demonize and destroy gun ownership.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t

The first “principle” outlined in the preamble reads: “1. The inherent rights of all States to individual or collective self-defense.” While the language of the treaty appears to recognize the legal right to keep such arms, the text actually recognizes the “inherent right of States” to “individual and collective” self-defense.

This is NOT the same as individual persons’ inherent right to keep and bear arms as recognized and enumerated in the United States’ Bill of Rights. Instead, it puts the collectivist unit known as the State above the individual, in complete defiance of the system set-up in the United States. Individual defense for a State, for instance, refers to what is known on the international scene as “unilateral war,” while collective defense is recognize in such actions as that of NATO or other allied bodies. The States’ right to maintain internal order has also been recognized by the UN, but all other purposes for arms ownership are seen as illegitimate.

It specifically recognizes [only] the “lawful private ownership and use of conventional arms exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities for States where such ownership and use are permitted or protected by law.” There’s been a great deal of rhetoric from gun grabbers over the years attempting to emphasize gun ownership for legitimate sporting uses, but the real purpose of arms ownership is a balance of power at the individual level in order to discourage tyranny at the State level. THAT is what the founding fathers intended, and that is the historical legacy Americans cherish.

NO SPECIFIC PROTECTION for individual persons is contained in this dangerous treaty, though the same media who’ve been demonizing critics of the UN’s effort as delusional and paranoid will attempt to argue otherwise, clinging to deliberately inserted clauses herein that look like stop-guards and protections for gun rights, but properly read, do no such thing.

While the UN advises States to keep within the scope of their own laws, the end-run assault against American’s 2nd Amendment is unmistakeable.

The text was released two days ago, but has received almost no attention in the press. The International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights and The Examiner have analyzed the treaty, while pointing out that member states like France have “let slip that their ultimate goal is to regulate legitimately-owned ‘weapons.’”

The United Nations has a sordid history of pursuing “general and complete disarmament,” and individual arms including legally owned arms have always been part of that focus. The United Nations treaty from 2001, known as the “SADC Protocol: Southern African Development Community” is, according to the UN’s own disarmament website, a “regional instrument that aims to curtail small arms ownership and illicit trafficking in Southern Africa along with the destruction of surplus state weapons. It is a far-reaching instrument, which goes beyond that of a politically binding declaration, providing the region with a legal basis upon which to deal with both the legal and the illicit trade in firearms.”

As we have previously noted, U.S. troops have been trained to confiscate American guns, while the confiscation in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina has already set the precedent. The deception over aiming for legal guns while pretending to target “illicit” weapons is continued here in this 2012 monster treaty.

Below is the text in full, as it has been proposed and released. Any changes in the signed version will be noted when that time comes:

Read the whole thing here (http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un-gun-treaty-does-ban-guns/).

John F Kennedy III
07-26-2012, 08:13 PM
Beat you to it :p

But seriously, the global elite are tightening their grip on us. If we the people do not stand up for our rights now it will be too late.

Zippyjuan
07-26-2012, 08:17 PM
I guess I am missing it. Maybe somebody can help point out where it bans citizens in the US from owning or buying guns?

MelissaCato
07-26-2012, 08:27 PM
Doesn't all gun control violate 2A ? :cool:

PaulConventionWV
07-26-2012, 09:02 PM
There is no conspiracy per se, just the state doing the only thing it knows how to do: grow and seize more power.

You wanted it, now you've got it.

You've got to be kidding me. You think this is just happening randomly? You don't think the powerful few who are at the top of the food chain haven't formed mutual goals? The state doesn't "just kind of grow." PEOPLE are causing this to happen ON PURPOSE. It IS a conspiracy. There are simply no two ways about it. There's no denying the common themes that have popped up, either. They are doing this because they want one world government, and THIS is their goals coming to fruition. All of the propaganda that has come from the media just somehow matches this UN agenda. It's no accident. How you can sit here and claim that this is NOT a conspiracy is just mind-boggling.

PaulConventionWV
07-26-2012, 09:06 PM
If Alex wants to be a credible news source, he'd do well to stop saying things like, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES OVER", live on the air like he did today.

Period. Full stop.

It's kind of happening, so it's not like there is no real-world relevance to what he said. It is happening with Chick-Fil-A in Boston and Chicago, even though there is no discrimination going on. They are being discriminated against simply because they have a pro-traditional family view, as if that was automatically a threat to diversity.

PaulConventionWV
07-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Can anyone really call it a conspiracy "theory" at this point?

I'm ready to call the Aurora shooting a false flag now.

Exactly. What's sad is that it should have been obvious much earlier because we have had many stories exactly like this. It's not just this story that makes it true. The whole string of events leads to the undeniable conclusion that there is a conspiracy.

AuH20
07-26-2012, 09:08 PM
You've got to be kidding me. You think this is just happening randomly? You don't think the powerful few who are at the top of the food chain haven't formed mutual goals? The state doesn't "just kind of grow." PEOPLE are causing this to happen ON PURPOSE. It IS a conspiracy. There are simply no two ways about it. There's no denying the common themes that have popped up, either. They are doing this because they want one world government, and THIS is their goals coming to fruition. All of the propaganda that has come from the media just somehow matches this UN agenda. It's no accident. How you can sit here and claim that this is NOT a conspiracy is just mind-boggling.

Find and Read the lasting work of Carroll Quiqley. I know it's the size of War and Peace but give it a read. It's the smoking gun for this entire agenda you're witnessing.

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/carroll_quigley_tragedy_n_hope2.jpg

Anti Federalist
07-26-2012, 09:15 PM
Find and Read the lasting work of Carroll Quiqley. I know it's the size of War and Peace but give it a read. It's the smoking gun for this entire agenda you're witnessing.

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/carroll_quigley_tragedy_n_hope2.jpg

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers.

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. - Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

r3volution
07-26-2012, 10:48 PM
How much does it pay to spam forums these days?

lol , good question . JFKIII? :D

dillo
07-27-2012, 12:17 AM
haha, id love to see them try to take people guns.

JK/SEA
07-27-2012, 01:18 AM
haha, id love to see them try to take people guns.

watch the movie Braveheart. Only replace the swords with AK's or whatever you have.

John F Kennedy III
07-27-2012, 01:19 AM
You've got to be kidding me. You think this is just happening randomly? You don't think the powerful few who are at the top of the food chain haven't formed mutual goals? The state doesn't "just kind of grow." PEOPLE are causing this to happen ON PURPOSE. It IS a conspiracy. There are simply no two ways about it. There's no denying the common themes that have popped up, either. They are doing this because they want one world government, and THIS is their goals coming to fruition. All of the propaganda that has come from the media just somehow matches this UN agenda. It's no accident. How you can sit here and claim that this is NOT a conspiracy is just mind-boggling.

You can't come to any other conclusion other than this is pre planned for the purpose of one world government. If you come to any other conclusion you're simply denying reality.

If you disagree please do some research:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370987-UN-Agenda-21-Explained&p=4341841#post4341841

Feeding the Abscess
07-27-2012, 01:55 AM
Fortunately, the government sucks at just about everything, so it'll be fun to watch government try to go to every house and confiscate all 200 million guns in the U.S.

John F Kennedy III
07-27-2012, 02:01 AM
Fortunately, the government sucks at just about everything, so it'll be fun to watch government try to go to every house and confiscate all 200 million guns in the U.S.

How many gave up their guns in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina? I have a feeling a large number of people will willingly comply.

seraphson
07-27-2012, 06:24 AM
Sounds like another shitty "War on [insert flavor of the decade topic here]". It won't work. Even if they do this very slowly it's still too touchy in that it would disturb many, many boiling frogs from the pot. Now we're getting to the point where they're stepping on eggshells and one slip up could cost them much of the ground they've gained in the past century. Then again they're too late seeing as the currency crisis will shake the hell out of the pot before any of this can come to fruition unless they slam an emergency deploy button in a SHTF scenario.

Revolution9
07-27-2012, 06:41 AM
There is no conspiracy per se, just the state doing the only thing it knows how to do: grow and seize more power.

You wanted it, now you've got it.

Blah blah blah..a rose is a rose by any other name.

Rev9

ShaneEnochs
07-27-2012, 07:04 AM
I feel pretty proud of myself for reading the entire text of the UN treaty.

However, there's nothing in there that makes me feel scared or frightened in any way. We talk a lot about using fear to control the masses, but that's exactly what Alex Jones & Co. do. Whenever that fellow in the first fellow read a bit of the text, he'd insert something.

For example:

0:15 - "This is going to get scary."
0:41 - "Are you hearing me? That's what they're talking about. They're going to take your guns"
1:15 - "Guess what. There's not going to be any peace with them. They're going to be kicking your heads in and shooting everyone in sight."
4:30 - "There's no negotiations. There's only killing people and machine gunning them when they don't comply."

I goes on and on.

Another thing to remember is this document was written when the United States and the Soviet Union was about to vaporize this planet. This document doesn't really surprise me in that regard. We were trying to negotiate a way to reduce tensions with the Soviet Union and prevent war.

MelissaCato
07-27-2012, 09:46 AM
Hey, there wasn't any ladies fighting for freedom in that movie. We have evolved ya know. :eek: Remember when Colonel Ernesto Bella said "A member of an elite paramilitary organization the "Eagle Scouts" ? Well, there is First Class Silver Awards in Girl Scouts. lol

Zippyjuan
07-27-2012, 10:47 AM
I guess I am missing it. Maybe somebody can help point out where it bans citizens in the US from owning or buying guns?

Nobody else can find it either, eh?

jmdrake
07-27-2012, 11:42 AM
I guess I am missing it. Maybe somebody can help point out where it bans citizens in the US from owning or buying guns?

Read between the lines.

Each State Party shall take all appropriate legislative and administrative measures necessary to implement the provisions of this Treaty and designate competent national authorities in order to have an effective, transparent and predictable national control system regulating the transfer of conventional arms;

Recognizing the legitimate international trade and lawful private ownership and use of conventional arms exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities for States where such ownership and use are permitted or protected by law;

So as long as your gun is deemed "recreational, cultural, historical or sporting" it can't be banned under this treaty. But otherwise the language of the treaty could be construed as requiring your government to ban it.

jmdrake
07-27-2012, 11:44 AM
A State Party shall not authorize a transfer of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty for the purpose of facilitating the commission of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes constituting grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 1949, or serious violations of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention of 1949.


Because everyone knows you have to have guns to commit genocide...except for when you don't.

http://worldwithoutgenocide.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Interhame-Militia-3.jpg

Zippyjuan
07-27-2012, 11:46 AM
What is says is that it won't change state's (countries) own existing laws on domestic ownership and use.

Recognizing the legitimate international trade and lawful private ownership and use of conventional arms exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities for States where such ownership and use are permitted or protected by law;


What the treaty is attemting to address is the transfer of weapons to other countries.


Each State Party shall take all appropriate legislative and administrative measures necessary to implement the provisions of this Treaty and designate competent national authorities in order to have an effective, transparent and predictable national control system regulating the transfer of conventional arms;

devil21
07-27-2012, 12:55 PM
What is says is that it won't change state's (countries) own existing laws on domestic ownership and use.

So after the Treaty is implemented, the Feds can just change federal law to allow only what they deem to fall under those categories. Here's some off the cuff examples:
Recreational - Pellet or BB gun
Cultural - No idea what a "cultural" firearm is.
Historical - Civil War muzzleloader (probably also cultural)
Sporting - single shot 410 shotgun

One could also argue that recreational and sporting are the same and cultural and historical are the same, thus leaving only two real categories, sporting and historical. Could mean single shot shotgun for duck hunting and an antique muzzleloader, which is already exempt from most gun laws anyway.


What the treaty is attemting to address is the transfer of weapons to other countries.

That'll do wonders for our domestic arms production economy. Just chip another piece out of an industry Americans still manufacture and export. I worry about the domestic implications of possible seizing private weapons but this treaty also consolidates the weapons industry further by limiting whom can export what to whom.

Isn't there already laws about weapons sales to foreign countries that are used in genocide? That Russian guy from the Lord of War movie just went to prison over what this treaty claims to "fix". Why a treaty for something that's already illegal?


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/boehner-says-he-agrees-with-obama-no-new-gun-control/1

Obama and Boehner state they agree on no NEW gun laws in an election year. Well Im sold. Both of those guys words are good as gold around here.

PaulConventionWV
07-27-2012, 01:41 PM
Find and Read the lasting work of Carroll Quiqley. I know it's the size of War and Peace but give it a read. It's the smoking gun for this entire agenda you're witnessing.

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/carroll_quigley_tragedy_n_hope2.jpg

Quigley's use of the phrase "worlds' central banks" makes me curious. It implies that there are multiple worlds.

PaulConventionWV
07-27-2012, 01:43 PM
You can't come to any other conclusion other than this is pre planned for the purpose of one world government. If you come to any other conclusion you're simply denying reality.

If you disagree please do some research:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370987-UN-Agenda-21-Explained&p=4341841#post4341841

I'm not sure if that was directed at me. I'm not denying what you say. I agree.

PaulConventionWV
07-27-2012, 01:49 PM
So after the Treaty is implemented, the Feds can just change federal law to allow only what they deem to fall under those categories. Here's some off the cuff examples:
Recreational - Pellet or BB gun
Cultural - No idea what a "cultural" firearm is.
Historical - Civil War muzzleloader (probably also cultural)
Sporting - single shot 410 shotgun

One could also argue that recreational and sporting are the same and cultural and historical are the same, thus leaving only two real categories, sporting and historical. Could mean single shot shotgun for duck hunting and an antique muzzleloader, which is already exempt from most gun laws anyway.



That'll do wonders for our domestic arms production economy. Just chip another piece out of an industry Americans still manufacture and export. I worry about the domestic implications of possible seizing private weapons but this treaty also consolidates the weapons industry further by limiting whom can export what to whom.

Isn't there already laws about weapons sales to foreign countries that are used in genocide? That Russian guy from the Lord of War movie just went to prison over what this treaty claims to "fix". Why a treaty for something that's already illegal?



Obama and Boehner state they agree on no NEW gun laws in an election year. Well Im sold. Both of those guys words are good as gold around here.

But, of course, there will be some golden piece of legislation offered up by Congress and Obama will just HAVE to pass it.

John F Kennedy III
07-27-2012, 03:08 PM
Sounds like another shitty "War on [insert flavor of the decade topic here]". It won't work. Even if they do this very slowly it's still too touchy in that it would disturb many, many boiling frogs from the pot. Now we're getting to the point where they're stepping on eggshells and one slip up could cost them much of the ground they've gained in the past century. Then again they're too late seeing as the currency crisis will shake the hell out of the pot before any of this can come to fruition unless they slam an emergency deploy button in a SHTF scenario.

You're right in that they need to be very careful at this stage to avoid major setbacks in their plans. However, the currency crisis may shake the hell out of the pot, but it would still put us citizens at a major disadvantage to our government, let alone the global elite, to be living Road Warrior style. Which I think is pretty much what would happen if the bottom falls out from under the dollar.

John F Kennedy III
07-27-2012, 03:14 PM
Hey, there wasn't any ladies fighting for freedom in that movie. We have evolved ya know. :eek: Remember when Colonel Ernesto Bella said "A member of an elite paramilitary organization the "Eagle Scouts" ? Well, there is First Class Silver Awards in Girl Scouts. lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Private_benjamon.jpg

John F Kennedy III
07-27-2012, 03:18 PM
I'm not sure if that was directed at me. I'm not denying what you say. I agree.

It was in reply to your post, but directed at others that would be reading it, particularly the deniers. It wasn't directed at you. Sorry, I should have made that clear.

jmdrake
07-27-2012, 05:01 PM
What is says is that it won't change state's (countries) own existing laws on domestic ownership and use.

Nope. It doesn't say that. That's your polyanic, rose colored glasses take on it. You're ignoring this part.

exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities

The way the treaty is written, existing laws are only exempted from the treaty if they for recreational, cultural, historical and cultural uses.



What the treaty is attemting to address is the transfer of weapons to other countries.

A) The treaty doesn't say "transfer of weapons to other countries". It just says "transfer of weapons".

B) A law requiring every gun sold to have an RFID in it could be seen as a way to prevent "transfer of weapons to other countries".

Lucille
07-27-2012, 05:07 PM
“The treaty is dead for now.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/have-great-expectations-at-u-n-give-way-to-reality-on-arms-treaty



The big question now is what happens next? Global gun control proponents are not about to abandon their efforts, and were still apparently working on the measure late Friday. It is possible that some accord might be hammered out, but at what political cost to the Obama administration? Gun owners do not want anything that smacks of international gun control or an assault on the Second Amendment. This is an election year and they vote.

More:

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gun-control-goes-back-under-the-radar


Regardless, new ways to advance citizen disarmament “under the radar” are still being explored, anticipating a time when it will be deemed safe to green light them. Among these could be moves that bypass the legislature altogether, such as executive orders designed to limit imports of “non-sporting” firearms and ammunition, and new and costly requirements for licensed gun dealers that could drive smaller ones out of business.

Additionally, anti-gun legislative measures are still advancing, buried in pending bills that would escape notice unless watchful eyes were ever present. A case in point, The Hill reported Thursday, is a cyber security bill sponsored by leading “safe” Senate anti-gunners, containing an amendment that “would make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices such as gun magazines, belts, feed stripes [sic] and drums of more than 10 rounds of ammunition with the exception of .22 caliber rim fire ammunition.” The bill is scheduled for debate and amendment votes next week, and while survival of that provision is questionable, it illustrates that the public liberty must be guarded with jealous attention, and that the devil is always lurking in the details.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/27/un-gun-treaty-not-looking-as-restrictive


The treaty’s unlikely to be finalized before the election. President Bush refused to include the United States from negotiations in the treaty, effectively scuttling them, but presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney hasn’t stated a position on the issue.

But we sure as hell know where he stands on the NDAA, assassination by presidential fiat, war w/ Iran (or any other country the imperial president deems a "threat"), and medical mj!

devil21
07-27-2012, 05:28 PM
nevermind

just saw the other thread with the ABC news article