RP Needs To Distance Himself From Nov. 5th Kooks

[libertygrl]

This came from a conservative from another forum:

... if Paul wants more respect from mainstream conservative voices-and to date there's no evidence that he does-then perhaps he should disassociate himself from the kooks who organize things like a Guy Fawkes fund-raiser, try to find someone more credible Alex Jones to tout his presidential campaign on the airwaves, and explain why he won't return contributions from white supremacists like Don Black-or, at the very least, denounce him while he's cashing those checks....

First of all, could someone please claify the Nov. 5th fundraiser. I thought it had to do with "V" for Vandetta rather than Guy Fawkes Day. And how do I explain that it has nothing to do with terrorism?

Also, this is the first I've heard about white supremacists and that Ron Paul won't give back the money. Is this true?

[Kregener]

The MSM ignoring has nothing to do with the Nov 5th fund raising drive. Explain their silence BEFORE that event.

RP scares the HELL out of the establishment elite.

[Goldwater Conservative]

First of all, could someone please claify the Nov. 5th fundraiser. I thought it had to do with "V" for Vandetta rather than Guy Fawkes Day. And how do I explain that it has nothing to do with terrorism?

You're right. The YouTube video that spawned the idea was all about V for Vendetta, and that movie's resolution, which took place on Nov. 5 in the movie and was what the "remember, remember" refrain was all about, was peaceful.

Besides, Guy Fawkes Day commemorates the thwarting of the Gunpowder Plot, not its near-execution.

I also find it funny, in a sad way, that libertarians, who base their philosophy on opposition to coercion and respect for property rights, have been linked to violence and anarchy, when it's those doing the criticizing who support wars of aggression and the occupation of entire foreign nations. Orwell would be proud.


Also, this is the first I've heard about white supremacists and that Ron Paul won't give back the money. Is this true?

It's true. Paul only gives back money that is illegally contributed. He doesn't discriminate based on the views of his supporters. He has openly disavowed racism and fascism (think about it, he's against collectivism and statism), and has said that if people who support such views still want to donate to him, then let them... it's a free market, after all.

And why not demand Giuliani, Romney, or Hillary return the money they've raised from racists, fascists, criminals, etc.? In the midst of all the money they've raised, I'm sure there have been "let's bomb all the brown people" racists who have donated to Giuliani and "La Raza" racists who have donated to Hillary.

But of course, people only focus on Paul, simply because they dislike his politics, so they use Orwellian tactics to portray him as being the opposite of the liberty-loving champion of the Constitution that he is. Pathetic.

[klamath]

This racist donated to Bush and Bush didn't return it.

[Ozwest]

There must be a lot of "kooks" out there, because whilst other campaigns lose their support base and struggle to maintain their fundraising levels, Ron Pauls campaign goes from strength to strength. Beware the "kooks!"

[torchbearer]

Kooks raise too much money, get rid of them. Its better to have a poor campaign that isn't going anywhere so the media will be appeased and the neocons can sleep better at night.

We need to just shut up and obey every command the media gives us because they speak for everyone. /sarcasm

[pcosmar]

This came from a conservative from another forum:

... if Paul wants more respect from mainstream conservative voices-and to date there's no evidence that he does-then perhaps he should disassociate himself from the kooks who organize things like a Guy Fawkes fund-raiser, try to find someone more credible Alex Jones to tout his presidential campaign on the airwaves, and explain why he won't return contributions from white supremacists like Don Black-or, at the very least, denounce him while he's cashing those checks....

First of all, could someone please claify the Nov. 5th fundraiser. I thought it had to do with "V" for Vandetta rather than Guy Fawkes Day. And how do I explain that it has nothing to do with terrorism?

Also, this is the first I've heard about white supremacists and that Ron Paul won't give back the money. Is this true?

Don't worry about it, That is not a thinking Conservative, that is an Ostrich.

[libertygrl]

You're right. The YouTube video that spawned the idea was all about V for Vendetta, and that movie's resolution, which took place on Nov. 5 in the movie and was what the "remember, remember" refrain was all about, was peaceful.

Besides, Guy Fawkes Day commemorates the thwarting of the Gunpowder Plot, not its near-execution.

I also find it funny, in a sad way, that libertarians, who base their philosophy on opposition to coercion and respect for property rights, have been linked to violence and anarchy, when it's those doing the criticizing who support wars of aggression and the occupation of entire foreign nations. Orwell would be proud.



It's true. Paul only gives back money that is illegally contributed. He doesn't discriminate based on the views of his supporters. He has openly disavowed racism and fascism (think about it, he's against collectivism and statism), and has said that if people who support such views still want to donate to him, then let them... it's a free market, after all.

And why not demand Giuliani, Romney, or Hillary return the money they've raised from racists, fascists, criminals, etc.? In the midst of all the money they've raised, I'm sure there have been "let's bomb all the brown people" racists who have donated to Giuliani and "La Raza" racists who have donated to Hillary.

But of course, people only focus on Paul, simply because they dislike his politics, so they use Orwellian tactics to portray him as being the opposite of the liberty-loving champion of the Constitution that he is. Pathetic.

All excellent points. Thanks for clarifying, but didn't "V" set out to do something similar toward the end of the movie? I do recall the explosions at the end. I don't see how referenceing this movie will make Conservatives feel any better! ;0

Well, I think we were all aware that the hit pieces will come on even stronger now that RP is gaining momentum.

First they ignore you. (yep)
Then they ridicule you. (yep)
Then they fight you. (I think we are in the early stages of this)
Then you win! (Hope Ghandi is right!)

[jgmaynard]

I GUARANTEE you that if I went through the FEC records of Guiliani, Hillary, Romney, whoever, I could find at least one numbnuts who donated to them.

JM

[Goldwater Conservative]

Thanks for clarifying, but didn't "V" set out to do something similar toward the end of the movie?

He did kill a couple of the crooked people at the top, but that's it. Also, there was more to the movie than V, who himself is not meant to be a clear "good guy" or "bad guy" (at least if we go by the original graphic novel, but even in the movie this is somewhat true). When the time came and all the people "remembered, remembered", they revolted peacefully. That's what the YouTube video emphasized, and nothing about the This Nov. 5th website even referenced the film or Guy Fawkes, if I recall correctly. They were just taking advantage of a catchy slogan recognizable from a popular movie about fighting totalitarianism.

By the way, I hated the movie. I think the Matrix brothers really sold out with that one.

[lucius]

...By the way, I hated the movie. I think the Matrix brothers really sold out with that one.

Agreed!

[Man from La Mancha]

By the way, I hated the movie. I think the Matrix brothers really sold out with that one
Disagree, I loved that movie.



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[Goldwater Conservative]

Disagree, I loved that movie.

I think its biggest shortcomings were not making V a morally ambiguous enough figure and having a very weak ending. I just felt it had so much more potential than was actually realized, and I sense that was a conscious decision to increase its commercial appeal.

[lucius]

Disagree, I loved that movie.



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[Man from La Mancha]

Hoodwinked sounds like a great way to find hidden meaning. But on a more superficial level, I just liked the peaceful resolution of awakened people taking back their liberties. And these 2 quotes.

"A revolution without dancing isn't one worth having." Ron is always telling us to have fun with all this.

"Beneath this mask lies an idea, and ideas are bulletproof."


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[lucius]

Hoodwinked sounds like a great way to find hidden meaning. But on a more superficial level, I just liked the peaceful resolution of awakened people taking back their liberties. And these 2 quotes.

"A revolution without dancing isn't one worth having." Ron is always telling us to have fun with all this.

"Beneath this mask lies an idea, and ideas are bulletproof."


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Well put!

[angelatc]

Eyes Wide Shut? I must have missed the message in that one.

[libertygrl]

Eyes Wide Shut? I must have missed the message in that one.

I think it had to do with The Illuminati - or at least some sort of secret society.

I thought "V" was entertaining. I never read the graphic novel so I really can't compare. But I did like some of those memorable lines as well. And now they have an even deeper meaning as I help out with the RP campaign:

V
You see? You cannot kill me.
There is no flesh and blood within
this cloak to kill. There is only
an idea.

V smiles.

V
And ideas are bulletproof. ALSO.....

EVEY
Since mankind's dawn a handful of
oppressors have accepted the
responsibility over our lives,
responsibility that we should have
accepted ourselves. By doing so,
they took our power. By doing
nothing, we gave it away.


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[Paul4Prez]

Here's a response:

98,344 people have donated to Ron Paul since October 1st. There's bound to be a few kooks in there.

[jenninlouisiana]

Since the donation form doesn't ask "are you a racist (etc)", how exactly is Paul supposed to identify money that other people have decided he needs to give back.

Frankly, I think it is best to ignore these kinds of people. People will come around to Ron Paul on their own timetable and to say something like "giving back racist money" will hasten that process is just ridiculous.

It goes back to the concept that you don't dignify stupidity with a response....

[torchbearer]

If Ron Paul gives someone their donation back he has denied them their right to participate in the political process. Do these people suggest that since they don't like a certain group of people that they don't have the right to participate in the political process?