Iowans for tax relief in danger of losing tax emempt status

[foraneagle2]

From link (http://iowansforronpaul2008.blogspot.com/2007/06/hitlary.html) (via link (http://upenn.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2229718737&topic=4840))

Iowa Dept. of Revenue
v. Ed Failor,
Iowans For Tax Relief, et al.



I was expecting this morning to get a meetup on the schedule and got hit with this news -
it will take a bit of time to catch up now - but I'll have something to send off to MSNBC's Chris Matthews now as well.

First, Ron Paul did just great - as usual - with the short 5 minutes with MSNBC's Chris Jansing yesterday about this time of day.

And Rudy Giuliani was in Des Moines today for a "Policy Address".

But most importantly, regarding the exclusion by Iowans For Tax Relief on June 30th -

I contacted the Iowa Republican Party to ask to talk to Chuck Laudner, Executive Director -
CLaudner@IowaGOP.org - who was in meeting but Eric Johansen explained that they could only contact this organization AFTER the event because they are a nonprofit.

But as a nonprofit they can NOT endorse political candidates under Iowa statutory law - so the Iowans For Tax Relief's exclusion of Ron Paul with the inclusion of Brownback, Gilmore, Huckabee, Romney, Tancredo, and T. Thompson - is in violation of Iowa nonprofit Code. They seem to also be forgetting Alexander Hamilton's words in Federalist Papers No. 83 in Muscatine and the construction of statutes - and the legal principle of exclusio alterius in particular here to the Revised Iowa Nonprofit Corporation Act - Chapter 504 of the Iowa Code.

I may try to get a copy of their Articles of Incorporation as public record but I truly do NOT see how they can get around the specific exclusion of Dr. Paul - it amounts to endorsing of a candidate - or specifically exclusion of an FEC filed candidate. I seriously doubt that they can try this without serious reprucussions to their nonprofit status - especially if Ron Paul WANTS to be included in their forum.

Dr. Paul did great on the Jon Stewart Show a few weeks back and also on the CSPAN coverage of his New Hampshire Public Radio - just fantastic, as well as yesterday on MSNBC's "Super Tuesday".

Keep up the great work everbuddy!


cc: contact/letter to :
David Casey
Compliance Division
Iowa Dept of Revenue
515/281-3254

Inform the compliance division of Failor's paypal fraud occurring through the website below - all the evidence needed Failor you moron - what's burning - sniff--sniff--- your toast Failor ! enjoy the forum !!!!!!

http://www.taxrelief.org/itr_pac_donation.htm

[Seer]

Excellent. Are any of our excellent friends in the Ron Paul movement lawyers?

[foraneagle2]

Use this story, and Failor's ties to McCain (see link (http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/mccain/mccainorgia.html))

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[angelatc]

Tax exempt status is granted by the IRS, not ny the states. Not saying I don't hink they're in violation, I am saying I think that the IRS is the entity that can yank the exemption.

[PatriotOne]

We are the Champions, we are the Champions, no time for loser's because we are the champioooooooooooooons............................ ................of the world.

Right on Eagle 2!

[dspectre]

I don't like to see people play dirty, but I don't like to watch people in a position to suffer either.

[literatim]

Tax exempt status is granted by the IRS, not ny the states. Not saying I don't hink they're in violation, I am saying I think that the IRS is the entity that can yank the exemption.

There are State taxes and tax codes.

[PatriotOne]

I don't like to see people play dirty, but I don't like to watch people in a position to suffer either.


I don't like to get dirty either, but when your wrestling with pigs you got to get dirty sometimes ;)

[RPR-omaha]

I think this could be a big deal. He is after all and FEC filed canidate. I think it could be argued that they are endorsing anyone but Ron Paul. I am not sure if could be successful. The mere threat has a good chance to scare them.

[amonasro]

WOW great news! Word travels fast in the RP world :)

[Bradley in DC]

Unless they say, "Vote for McCrazy" or something to that effect, I don't see a violation. There are inviting several competing candidates so there isn't even an implied endorsement for one.

[surf]

political parties are supposed to be non-profits, correct? yet political parties endorse candidates....
just a thought.

[Bradley in DC]

political parties are supposed to be non-profits, correct? yet political parties endorse candidates....
just a thought.

Different sections of the tax code identify different types of non-profits with different kinds of rules: think tanks are 501(c)(3) organizations, lobby groups are 501(3)(4), and 527s (MoveOn.org), etc.

[ADGettis]

I know this is an exciting opportunity, but is it really harmonious with our message of restoring private rights to turn the tax man on ITR?

Perhaps it is; I'm undecided. But it is something to think about.

[jj111]

I have two problems with sicking the taxman on this organization:

1) Ends justify means? - can we justify sicking the IRS on anybody?

2) Practicality - the ITR is corrupt, and against RP; and the IRS is corrupt and against RP, so it seems that they have those two things in common, why would the IRS ever work against the ITR? I think it is pie in the sky thinking that you are going to get the IRS to do anything against ITR in the next 10 days. They might not do anything forever about this. Neither of the organizations likes RP. So I don't think it's practical to ask the tax enforcement bureacracy to help us with this matter.

[jj111]

However, a good lawyer might make a legal case for an injunction against this forum. Or sue for fraud.

[jj111]

By "this forum" I mean the candidate's forum in Iowa....

[lucky]

Pretty thin evidence but does not hurt to seek more info from the proper authorities if excluding a candidate is an implied endorcement of the ones invited.

[literatim]

I have two problems with sicking the taxman on this organization:

1) Ends justify means? - can we justify sicking the IRS on anybody?

2) Practicality - the ITR is corrupt, and against RP; and the IRS is corrupt and against RP, so it seems that they have those two things in common, why would the IRS ever work against the ITR? I think it is pie in the sky thinking that you are going to get the IRS to do anything against ITR in the next 10 days. They might not do anything forever about this. Neither of the organizations likes RP. So I don't think it's practical to ask the tax enforcement bureacracy to help us with this matter.

This has nothing to do with federal.

[jj111]

Even if we are talking about state level tax authorities, I think we risk being seen as hypocritical if we ask the state to intervene to collect taxes on an organization. I think the voluntary free market of persuasion can work to achieve the goals we want.

If we want to expose this group for its questionable activities, there are plenty of ways to do this. They have discredited themselves, all we need to do is publicize it. This is IMHO, but if you want to do differently, you have the right to call whomever you want.

[LibertyEagle]

Even if we are talking about state level tax authorities, I think we risk being seen as hypocritical if we ask the state to intervene to collect taxes on an organization. I think the voluntary free market of persuasion can work to achieve the goals we want.

If we want to expose this group for its questionable activities, there are plenty of ways to do this. They have discredited themselves, all we need to do is publicize it. This is IMHO, but if you want to do differently, you have the right to call whomever you want.

I agree. We need to stick to our principles.

[beermotor]

Unless they say, "Vote for McCrazy" or something to that effect, I don't see a violation. There are inviting several competing candidates so there isn't even an implied endorsement for one.

Yeah, but they should at least send an invitation to all declared candidates.

That right there says "not enough due diligence" to me.

[Bob Cochran]

Ed Failor sounded on the radio like such a spineless twit that the threat of the IT organization losing its tax-exempt status might scare him into rethinking his ill-conceived stance.

I say put some heat on.

[CJLauderdale4]

Who do we call at the IRS in D.C. to report a tax-exempt status violation? Is there a hotline? Forgive me if I missed it...

[Bradley in DC]

Yeah, but they should at least send an invitation to all declared candidates.

That right there says "not enough due diligence" to me.

What they "should" do is up to the members, board and governing internal rules of their organizations. There isn't any "due diligence" standard here. The Mises Institute and many other libertarian 501(c)(3) organizations have been loudly and singularly promoting the "ideas" and positions of Dr. Paul (and only trashing those of other candidates) without "endorsing" his candidacy and staying within bounds.

This is a non-issue.

[mdh]

Even if we are talking about state level tax authorities, I think we risk being seen as hypocritical if we ask the state to intervene to collect taxes on an organization. I think the voluntary free market of persuasion can work to achieve the goals we want.

If we want to expose this group for its questionable activities, there are plenty of ways to do this. They have discredited themselves, all we need to do is publicize it. This is IMHO, but if you want to do differently, you have the right to call whomever you want.

This is akin to saying that we should all go smoke a joint in public because we don't like marijuana laws. We want to *change* the laws, not condone violations of them. In this case, he should be investigated by the state and federal revenue authorities, absolutely. If he doesn't like it, maybe he can help promote Dr. Paul's campaign and get the law changed. :)

[CJLauderdale4]

This is akin to saying that we should all go smoke a joint in public because we don't like marijuana laws. We want to *change* the laws, not condone violations of them. In this case, he should be investigated by the state and federal revenue authorities, absolutely. If he doesn't like it, maybe he can help promote Dr. Paul's campaign and get the law changed. :)

Exactly! This is perfect. See, invite Ron Paul, help get him elected, and there will be no 501c tax law to worry about. Or, exclude him, live with your decision, and PAY TAXES!!

Oh wait, if there are no taxes to relieve, then....there's no need for a group called the Iowans for Tax Relief, and then...no job for The Failure....OH NO!!

[hroos]

Now I see that this strategy will work best to fuel more TV time for Dr. Paul if we pursue this is in courts AFTER tomorrow's forum. First of all, Dr. Paul will make the ITR look like fools from the appearance of so many supporters tomorrow and then Monday morning we slap them with an official complaint. Going through the states is absolutely legitimate and I do not any see conflicts with this action and Dr. Paul's philosophy. Let's do it! This is for cheap media play after all absolutely!

I will be praying that someone in the campaign reads this and gets a lawyer tomorrow morning to file papers on Monday.

[beermotor]

What they "should" do is up to the members, board and governing internal rules of their organizations. There isn't any "due diligence" standard here. The Mises Institute and many other libertarian 501(c)(3) organizations have been loudly and singularly promoting the "ideas" and positions of Dr. Paul (and only trashing those of other candidates) without "endorsing" his candidacy and staying within bounds.

This is a non-issue.

Eh, good point, heh. :o