Radiation On West Coast of North America Could End Up Being 10 Times HIGHER than in Japan

[John F Kennedy III]

Radiation On West Coast of North America Could End Up Being 10 Times HIGHER than in Japan


Washington’s Blog
July 17, 2012

We’ve extensively documented the fact that ocean currents bring Japanese radiation to the West Coast of North America, and that – rather than adequate ocean dilution - there could be “pockets” and “streams” of highly-concentrated radiation.

Joke F Lübbecke of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and 3 scientists from the GEOMAR Research Center for Marine Geosciences poured tracer dye into coastal waters off of Fukushima, and monitored its progress as it traveled to the West Coast of North America, to find out what might really happen.

They have revealed their results in a new paper published by journal Environmental Research Letters.

The paper shows that the West Coast of North American could end up with 10 times more radioactive cesium 137 than the coastal waters off of Japan itself.

How could radiation levels be lower closer to the source of contamination: Fukushima?

Because the currents are swift off of the Eastern coast of Japan, and quickly move the contaminated water away.

The paper explains:


In the following years, the tracer cloud continuously expands laterally, with maximum concentrations in its central part heading east. While the northern portion is gradually invading the Bering Sea, the main tracer patch reaches the coastal waters of North America after 5–6 years, with maximum relative concentrations ( > 1 × 10−4) covering a broad swath of the eastern North Pacific between Vancouver Island and Baja California. Simultaneously some fraction of the southern rim of the tracer cloud becomes entrained in the North Equatorial Current (NEC), resulting in a westward extending wedge around 20°N that skirts the northern shores of the Hawaiian Archipelago. After 10 years the concentrations become nearly homogeneous over the whole Pacific, with higher values in the east, extending along the North American coast with a maximum (~1 × 10−4) off Baja California. The southern portion of the tracer cloud is carried westward by the NEC across the subtropical Pacific, leading to increasing concentrations in the Kuroshio regime again.

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With caution given to the various idealizations (unknown actual oceanic state during release, unknown release area, no biological effects included, see section 3.4), the following conclusions may be drawn. (i) Dilution due to swift horizontal and vertical dispersion in the vicinity of the energetic Kuroshio regime leads to a rapid decrease of radioactivity levels during the first 2 years, with a decline of near-surface peak concentrations to values around 10 Bq m−3 (based on a total input of 10 PBq). The strong lateral dispersion, related to the vigorous eddy fields in the mid-latitude western Pacific, appears significantly under-estimated in the non-eddying (0.5°) model version. (ii) The subsequent pace of dilution is strongly reduced, owing to the eastward advection of the main tracer cloud towards the much less energetic areas of the central and eastern North Pacific. (iii) The magnitude of additional peak radioactivity should drop to values comparable to the pre-Fukushima levels after 6–9 years (i.e. total peak concentrations would then have declined below twice pre-Fukushima levels). (iv) By then the tracer cloud will span almost the entire North Pacific, with peak concentrations off the North American coast an order-of-magnitude higher than in the western Pacific.

“Order-of-magnitude” is a scientific term which means 10 times higher. The “Western Pacific” means Japan’s East Coast.

Here are some of the important graphics from the paper:


rest of article here:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/radiation-in-west-coast-of-north-america-could-be-10-times-higher-than-japan.html

[Bruehound]

10,000 times higher of an insignificant amount is still likely to be insignificant.

[Bosco Warden]

10,000 times higher of an insignificant amount is still likely to be insignificant.


Is that like saying there is good radiation?

Well hell, color me blue and call me Sally.

No really. :toady:

[donnay]

10,000 times higher of an insignificant amount is still likely to be insignificant.


Yeah they said the same thing about Chernobyl too.

[John F Kennedy III]

Is that like saying there is good radiation?

Well hell, color me blue and call me Sally.

No really. :toady:

I seen that commercial. Weird old guy.

[Bruehound]

Yeah I guess I must be full of shit. Got to start getting all my news from infowars and Coast to Coast to fit in around here.

[NoOneButPaul]

Yeah I guess I must be full of shit. Got to start getting all my news from infowars and Coast to Coast to fit in around here.

Yea if you don't believe somehow the disaster will be 10X worse here than there (which seriously, take a step back and think about the absurdity of this statement) then you're an idiot sheep.

[donnay]

Yeah I guess I must be full of shit. Got to start getting all my news from infowars and Coast to Coast to fit in around here.

Why the Fukushima disaster is worse than Chernobyl
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/why-the-fukushima-disaster-is-worse-than-chernobyl-2345542.html

Fukushima radioactive fallout nears Chernobyl levels
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20285-fukushima-radioactive-fallout-nears-chernobyl-levels.html

Why Fukushima Is a Greater Disaster than Chernobyl and a Warning Sign for the US
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/04/24

The Fukushima Nuclear Disaster Is Far From Over
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/the-fukushima-nuclear-dis_b_1444146.html

[LibForestPaul]

plausible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

[Revolution9]

Yeah I guess I must be full of shit.

Noted. Maybe instead of Jones and CtoC you might actually read the frikkin' news.

Rev9

[ZenBowman]

Worry all you want OP, will probably make the radiation spread through your body faster.

[John F Kennedy III]

Yeah I guess I must be full of shit. Got to start getting all my news from infowars and Coast to Coast to fit in around here.

You certainly sound like you're full of shit.

[Revolution9]

Worry all you want OP, will probably make the radiation spread through your body faster.

Surfing various MSM sites today I saw California tuna are radioactive, the debris coming in is radioactive in Oregon and Washington, the radiation levels differ greatly just crossing the road in japan, the plants are sucking up the cesium and kids are starting to die and babies born with deformities as well as local wildlife..rabbits without ears and deformed goats etc... It is possibly killing the gulf loop current. There are major protests in Japan against restarting one of the reactors and that a bite of food that is contaminated is the equivalent of hundreds of xrays. I did not visit AJ's site, nor do I ever listen to CtoC. My father counted nuclear weapons for NATO. It fascinated me as a youngster and I read everything I could about radioactive materials and what they do. Yer statement is either pure ignorance, bland and tasteless satire or ineffective mockery considering real world facts.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

Yea if you don't believe somehow the disaster will be 10X worse here than there (which seriously, take a step back and think about the absurdity of this statement) then you're an idiot sheep.

Which seriously..step a few paces back and get the hypocrisy of this statement above in full focus. 10X ??? I told ya a million times not to exaggerate.


Rev9

[RickyJ]

It is possibly killing the gulf loop current

Would you mind telling me how radiation is killing the gulf loop current?

[XNavyNuke]

Or, you could just link to the f'ing journal article (http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034004/pdf/1748-9326_7_3_034004.pdf) instead of a hack job, sensational piece done by a journalism major with one year of undergrad science.

The author admits in the actual journal article that this is strictly a computational diffusion model with no biological effects included.


With caution given to the various idealizations (unknown actual oceanic state during release, unknown release area, no biological
effects included, see section 3.4)


Cs behaves chemically to K which will be bioaccumulated by phytoplankton. These have very short lives, and are either consumed by predators or settle on the sea floor. The hack job clearly wishes to ignore that the journal author doesn't address this major isotopic sink.

XNN

[KingNothing]

Yeah they said the same thing about Chernobyl too.

No, "they" didn't.
Everyone outside of the Soviet government knew that was ridiculous.

[KingNothing]

Or, you could just link to the f'ing journal article (http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034004/pdf/1748-9326_7_3_034004.pdf) instead of a hack job, sensational piece done by a journalism major with one year of undergrad science.

The author admits in the actual journal article that this is strictly a computational diffusion model with no biological effects included.



Cs behaves chemically to K which will be bioaccumulated by phytoplankton. These have very short lives, and are either consumed by predators or settle on the sea floor. The hack job clearly wishes to ignore that the journal author doesn't address this major isotopic sink.

XNN

Woah, woah, woah. Don't go injecting science and logic into a discussion fueled by Alex Jonesian, Truther nonsense.

[KingNothing]

Would you mind telling me how radiation is killing the gulf loop current?

AHHHH NEW WORLD ORDER IS SYSTEMATICALLY KILLING US ALLL!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

[KingNothing]

As of March, the amount of iodine-131 escaping from all the reactors at Fukushima Daiichi was less than 10 percent of the amount released at Chernobyl, and the release of caesium-137, the next most important fission product, was less than 15 percent of the Chernobyl total.

[KingNothing]

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-17/fukushima-radiation-may-cause-1-300-cancer-deaths-study-finds



The best estimates of cancer cases resulting from the Fukushima disaster is 180, and range from 24 to 2,500, yesterday’s study said.

The most likely number of cancer deaths is 130 and estimated to range from 15 to 1,300, the authors said, adding that the ranges reflect uncertainties about emissions and the methods the researchers used to calculate their impact.

[donnay]

No, "they" didn't.
Everyone outside of the Soviet government knew that was ridiculous.

The nearby city of Prypiat was not immediately evacuated after the incident. The townspeople went about their usual business, completely oblivious to what had just happened. However, within a few hours of the explosion, dozens of people fell ill. Later, they reported severe headaches and metallic tastes in their mouths, along with uncontrollable fits of coughing and vomiting.[50]

The general population of the Soviet Union was first informed of the disaster on the 28 April, 2 days after the explosion, with a 20 second announcement in the TV news program Vremya.[51] At that time ABC released its report about the disaster.[52] During that time, all radio broadcasts run by the state were replaced with classical music, which was a common method of preparing the public for an announcement of a tragedy that had taken place. Scientist teams were armed and placed on alert as instructions were awaited.

Only after radiation levels set off alarms at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant in Sweden,[53] over one thousand kilometers from the Chernobyl Plant, did the Soviet Union admit that an accident had occurred. Nevertheless, authorities attempted to conceal the scale of the disaster. For example, after evacuating the city of Prypiat, the following warning message was read on the state TV:

There has been an accident at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. One of the nuclear reactors was damaged. The effects of the accident are being remedied. Assistance has been provided for any affected people. An investigative commission has been set up.
—Vremya, 28 April 1986 (21:00)[51]

A state commission was set up the same day (26 April) and tasked with investigating the accident. It was headed by Valery Legasov, who arrived at Chernobyl in the evening of 26 April. By the time Legasov arrived, two people had already died and 52 were receiving medical attention in hospital. By the night of 26–27 April – more than 24 hours after the explosion – Legasov's committee had ample evidence that extremely high levels of radiation had caused a number of cases of radiation exposure. Based on the evidence at hand, Legasov's committee acknowledged the destruction of the reactor and ordered the evacuation of Pripyat.

The evacuation began at 14:00 on 27 April. An excerpt of the evacuation announcement was translated into English in the program Seconds From Disaster on the National Geographic Channel in 2004.[54] A translation of the rest of the audio follows.

For the attention of the residents of Pripyat! The City Council informs you that due to the accident at Chernobyl Power Station in the city of Pripyat the radioactive conditions in the vicinity are deteriorating. The Communist Party, its officials and the armed forces are taking necessary steps to combat this. Nevertheless, with the view to keep people as safe and healthy as possible, the children being top priority, we need to temporarily evacuate the citizens in the nearest towns of Kiev Oblast. For these reasons, starting from April 27, 1986 2 pm each apartment block will be able to have a bus at its disposal, supervised by the police and the city officials. It is highly advisable to take your documents, some vital personal belongings and a certain amount of food, just in case, with you. The senior executives of public and industrial facilities of the city has decided on the list of employees needed to stay in Pripyat to maintain these facilities in a good working order. All the houses will be guarded by the police during the evacuation period. Comrades, leaving your residences temporarily please make sure you have turned off the lights, electrical equipment and water off and shut the windows. Please keep calm and orderly in the process of this short-term evacuation.
—Evacuation announcement in Pripyat, 27 April 1986 (14:00)

In order to expedite the evacuation, the residents were told to bring only what was necessary, as the authorities had said it would only last approximately three days. As a result, most of the residents left their personal belongings, which are still there today. An exclusion zone of 30 km (19 mi) remains in place today, although its shape has changed and its size has been expanded.

As the plant was run by authorities in Moscow, the government of Ukraine did not receive prompt information on the situation at the site, according to the former chairman of Presidium of Verkhovna Rada of Ukrainian SSR, Valentyna Shevchenko.[55] In her recollections she stated that she was at work when at 09:00 Vasyl Durdynets who performed duties of the Minister of Internal Affairs at the time (as the First Deputy Minister) called in with a report on the recent situation, adding at the end that there was a fire at the Chernobyl AES (AES – an abbreviation for a nuclear power plant), which was extinguished and everything was fine (see Fire containment). When Shevchenko asked "How are the people?", he replied that there was nothing to be concerned with: "some are celebrating a wedding, others are gardening, and others are fishing in the Pripyat River".[55]

On 25 April 2011 the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych awarded Durdynets the "Distinguished Juror of Ukraine" as an advisor of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a participant in the liquidation of consequences of Chernobyl disaster, and a general of Internal Service of Ukraine.[56] After the report Shevchenko called in to Volodymyr Shcherbytsky (Head of the Central Committee of CP(b)U, de facto – a head of state).[55] Shcherbytsky stated that he anticipated a delegation of the state commission headed by the deputy chairman of the Council of Ministers of USSR.[55]

Among the delegation's officials were academic Evgeny Velikhov, a leading nuclear specialist in the Soviet Union; a head of Hydro-Meteorologic Service of USSR Yuriy Izrael; a chief radiologist of the country Leonid Ilyin; and others. From the Boryspil International Airport the delegation drove to the power plant, realised the seriousness of the situation that night, and decided to evacuate the residents of Prypiat.[55] On 26 April 2011 Velikhov was awarded Order of Merit of the III degree from the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych for his contributions in the liquidation of consequences of the Chernobyl disaster.[57]

By the morning of 27 April, buses arrived in Prypiat to start the evacuation at 11:00. By 15:00, 53,000 people were evacuated to various villages of Kiev region.[55] At first it was decided to evacuate the population temporarily for three days, however later it was postponed permanently. Many took only the most necessary items and their documents leaving all the rest behind.[55] The next day, talks began for evacuating people from the 10 km zone.

Shevchenko was the first of the Ukrainian state top officials to arrive at the disaster site early on 28 April. There she spoke with members of medical staff and people, who were calm and hopeful that they could soon return to their homes. Shevchenko returned home near midnight, stopping at a radiological checkpoint in Vilcha, one of the first which were set up soon after the accident.[55]

There was a notification from Moscow that there was no reason to postpone the 1 May celebrations (including the annual parade), but on 30 April a meeting of the Political bureau of the Central Committee of CP(b)U took place to discuss the plan for the upcoming celebration. Scientists were reporting that the radiological background in Kiev city was normal. At the meeting, which was finished at 18:00, it was decided to shorten celebrations from the regular 3.5–4 to under 2 hours

(...)

Four hundred times more radioactive material was released than had been by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. The disaster released 1/100 to 1/1000 of the total amount of radioactivity released by nuclear weapons testing during the 1950s and 1960s.[82] Approximately 100,000 km² of land was contaminated with fallout, the worst hit regions being in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.[83] Slighter levels of contamination were detected over all of Europe except for the Iberian Peninsula.[16][84][85]

The initial evidence that a major release of radioactive material was affecting other countries came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on the morning of 28 April[86] workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1,100 km (680 mi) from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothes.[87]

It was Sweden's search for the source of radioactivity, after they had determined there was no leak at the Swedish plant, that at noon on 28 April led to the first hint of a serious nuclear problem in the western Soviet Union. Hence the evacuation of Pripyat on 27 April 36 hours after the initial explosions, was silently completed before the disaster became known outside the Soviet Union. The rise in radiation levels had at that time already been measured in Finland, but a civil service strike delayed the response and publication.[88]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

[Revolution9]

Would you mind telling me how radiation is killing the gulf loop current?

When I have time to go back and read the article i saw the headline for. It perplexed me a bit as well. But it was not on CtoC or AJ's site. I am in the middle of game development and basically only come here to get something in my head other than code and game mechanics.

ETA;the article was about how both Fukushima and the killing of the gulf loop current can lead to the death of the planet. Headline was a little off and looked like the two were connected.

Rev9

[ZenBowman]

Surfing various MSM sites today I saw California tuna are radioactive, the debris coming in is radioactive in Oregon and Washington, the radiation levels differ greatly just crossing the road in japan, the plants are sucking up the cesium and kids are starting to die and babies born with deformities as well as local wildlife..rabbits without ears and deformed goats etc... It is possibly killing the gulf loop current. There are major protests in Japan against restarting one of the reactors and that a bite of food that is contaminated is the equivalent of hundreds of xrays. I did not visit AJ's site, nor do I ever listen to CtoC. My father counted nuclear weapons for NATO. It fascinated me as a youngster and I read everything I could about radioactive materials and what they do. Yer statement is either pure ignorance, bland and tasteless satire or ineffective mockery considering real world facts.

Rev9

Oh I don't doubt that there's contamination.

The point is that there's really not much you can do about the contamination now, and nuclear power is unlikely to go away anytime soon. Low level radiation is just another biological stressor that we've added to the equation that will shape our evolution.

[Bosco Warden]

Yeah I guess I must be full of shit. Got to start getting all my news from infowars and Coast to Coast to fit in around here.

How bout just keeping it simple and answer the question of do you believe there is such a thing as good radiation?


.
this isnt a conspiracy, this has been reported on for over a year.

Your trust of Govt makes you very suspect here I would think.

jus sayin....

[Revolution9]

AHHHH NEW WORLD ORDER IS SYSTEMATICALLY KILLING US ALLL!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

You should check your balls and see if their is a fist with a vice grip wrapped around them.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

Oh I don't doubt that there's contamination.

The point is that there's really not much you can do about the contamination now, and nuclear power is unlikely to go away anytime soon. Low level radiation is just another biological stressor that we've added to the equation that will shape our evolution.

Yeah.. I am wondering if the little purple berry crab thingees in the news that last few days were a mutation from bottom feeding. The issue is the plants take it up and it is in the food chain. One fuck of a primitive way to boil water all high tech like. I believe they simply do it to get more nuclear weapons fuel or they would have went to thorium reactors in the 50's when they proved their worth and safety.. I believe plants can nullify radiation due to the torsion field of DNA if it's in their genes. There have been certain species of algae or bacteria that were recorded to have had radiation devouring capabilities. The Russians also recently found a naturally occurring crystalline mineral that totally quenches radioactivity of even gamma rays. In the 50's it was well known that sulfur will take the radiation of all forms out of the body due to the electron shells having so many empty slots, as it were.. I think the main issue here is idiots inflicting their flawed technologies on greater humanity, various ecosystems and future generations stable and properly formed and constituted births. I really don't think evolution is meant to be guided by radiation mutation. Most of the mutations are horrific at the human level, although we don't really know how the mother of a two faced goat with three eyes feels nor that malformed goat itself.

[jbauer]

Radiation isn't going to make Calafornia's any less wierd is it? Heck everyone's going to leave CA after the state goes bankrupt anyway.

[Zippyjuan]

A couple of lines to note from the article:

We’ve extensively documented the fact that ocean currents bring Japanese radiation to the West Coast of North America, and that – rather than adequate ocean dilution - there could be “pockets” and “streams” of highly-concentrated radiation.


After 10 years the concentrations become nearly homogeneous over the whole Pacific, with higher values in the east, extending along the North American coast with a maximum (~1 × 10−4) off Baja California.


The magnitude of additional peak radioactivity should drop to values comparable to the pre-Fukushima levels after 6–9 years (i.e. total peak concentrations would then have declined below twice pre-Fukushima levels).

So the West Coast levels are expected to peak in about ten years but in the mean time, levels should fall to "pre Fukushiima levels" in six to nine years or a year before they reach their highest concentrations on the West Coast so even amounts in those "isolated pockets" should be extremely small.

And from the actual report: http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034004/article?v_showaffiliations=yes

the following conclusions may be drawn. (i) Dilution due to swift horizontal and vertical dispersion in the vicinity of the energetic Kuroshio regime leads to a rapid decrease of radioactivity levels during the first 2 years, with a decline of near-surface peak concentrations to values around 10 Bq m−3 (based on a total input of 10 PBq). The strong lateral dispersion, related to the vigorous eddy fields in the mid-latitude western Pacific, appears significantly under-estimated in the non-eddying (0.5°) model version. (ii) The subsequent pace of dilution is strongly reduced, owing to the eastward advection of the main tracer cloud towards the much less energetic areas of the central and eastern North Pacific. (iii) The magnitude of additional peak radioactivity should drop to values comparable to the pre-Fukushima levels after 6–9 years (i.e. total peak concentrations would then have declined below twice pre-Fukushima levels). (iv) By then the tracer cloud will span almost the entire North Pacific, with peak concentrations off the North American coast an order-of-magnitude higher than in the western Pacific.

So the concentrations in ten years will be ten times the normal background levels which is a very low number.

[BlackTerrel]

Well if it won't be a race war, a series of false flags, martial law or radiation from Japan.

Live in fear people.... we're all fucked.

[Revolution9]

Well if it won't be a race war, a series of false flags, martial law or radiation from Japan.

Live in fear people.... we're all fucked.

I live in interesting times...but the wrong planet. You make your pick.

Rev9

[RickyJ]

Well if it won't be a race war, a series of false flags, martial law or radiation from Japan.

Live in fear people.... we're all fucked.

We all die, but not necessarily fucked. Believing in the creator can give you hope.