FOX News Admits Romney Cannot Win Without Ron Paul Supporters

[donnay]

FOX News Admits Romney Cannot Win Without Ron Paul Supporters


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4bVOyyjTWk&feature=player_embedded#!

[LopTarDaBoo]

It will be a massive case of self deception if we end up voting for Romney, who: passed centrally planned health care for his state, supported bank bailouts, supported assault weapons bans, supports continuing the Bush/Obama interventionist foreign policy, supported NDAA, supports the TSA, and lord knows what else he has planned for us.

I can't imagine anything Romney can do to convince me to not vote for Ron Paul, Vermin Supreme, or Gary Johnson. His history is tarnished.

[angelatc]

So they ostracized us for 5 or 6 years now, called us all kinds of terrible names, and now want us to vote for their guy.

Brilliant, they are.

[Tiso0770]

After all that they did to Ron Paul Delegates and Supporters.....Nope, not a chance.

[nobody's_hero]

EDIT: It's late, I missed the quote.

but you did hear the b**** laughing in the background at his comments.

[bunklocoempire]

Getting a Ron Paul supporter to vote for Romney?

"No... not really

... no way."

NOBP

[RecoveringNeoCon]

I actually caught this section of the re-run of this focus group show. The clip in the OP does not show the whole thing, as some fox news contributor (forgot his name) goes on to respond and say that Ron Paul and his supporters are nothing on the national scale and will have no effect on the outcome of the election.

LOL

[anaconda]

It will be a massive case of self deception if we end up voting for Romney, who: passed centrally planned health care for his state, supported bank bailouts, supported assault weapons bans, supports continuing the Bush/Obama interventionist foreign policy, supported NDAA, supports the TSA, and lord knows what else he has planned for us.

I can't imagine anything Romney can do to convince me to not vote for Ron Paul, Vermin Supreme, or Gary Johnson. His history is tarnished.

I've been doing battle off and on today on a Facebook friend's thread with what is apparently a bunch of Paul primary voters in Tennessee (I'm in CA) who are now adamant about voting for Romney. They don't want to continue down the road to socialism (LOL). The mantra is "NOBAMA." Also, they don't want to "waste" their vote on Gary Johnson. So it is, indeed, quite surreal and very frustrating. They are all simply duped into voting for the two-headed monster. So, it seems possible that there may be scores of Paul supporters in the primaries that will cast their vote for Mittens in November. Plus, Matt Larsen offers no evidence whatsoever that Mittens needs the entirety of the Paul primary voters to win in November.

[Matthew Zak]

It will be a massive case of self deception if we end up voting for Romney, who: passed centrally planned health care for his state, supported bank bailouts, supported assault weapons bans, supports continuing the Bush/Obama interventionist foreign policy, supported NDAA, supports the TSA, and lord knows what else he has planned for us.

I can't imagine anything Romney can do to convince me to not vote for Ron Paul, Vermin Supreme, or Gary Johnson. His history is tarnished.

The only Ron Paul supporters who would ever support Romney are people who are attracted to our energy and want to be apart of some kind of movement (similar to the occupy phenomenon) but aren't actually 'awake'.

I suspect that those people account for a very small percentage of Ron Paul supporters.

[Matthew Zak]

I wish we could shove Romney and Obama in the LHC and let them collide. On second thought, I'm almost certain that would create a super massive black hole.

[mport1]

Lol, who can they pick to get us to vote for Romney? I wouldn't vote for Romney if Ron Paul was his running mate...

[Paulistinian]

I want to say that I wouldn't vote for Romney/Ron Paul ticket, but the truth is that I probably would. Ron Paul as an opposition VP voting NO on everything, with the President's ear is a lot better than Ron Paul as a retired Congressman.

[PolicyReader]

I've been doing battle off and on today on a Facebook friend's thread with what is apparently a bunch of Paul primary voters in Tennessee (I'm in CA) who are now adamant about voting for Romney. They don't want to continue down the road to socialism (LOL). The mantra is "NOBAMA." Also, they don't want to "waste" their vote on Gary Johnson. So it is, indeed, quite surreal and very frustrating. They are all simply duped into voting for the two-headed monster. So, it seems possible that there may be scores of Paul supporters in the primaries that will cast their vote for Mittens in November. Plus, Matt Larsen offers no evidence whatsoever that Mittens needs the entirety of the Paul primary voters to win in November.
I've run across quite a few who are doing the same, except with Obama rather than Romney... both choices make common sense cry :(
The point being tho that I think many of those Paul voters who do actually accept a substitute (I can't and won't vote for the two headed monster myself) are going to be more or less of a wash, as Paul very much did draw from all over the political spectrum. Willard (by the last analytics I read, which are I should mention several weeks old) needs to counter the strong showing of Obama among the "youth" and "minorities" (both terms I feel are used pretty loosely in politics but meh), further the GOP in general is currently the smaller party and the lest enthusiastic voting pool (both by average survey numbers) and needed something to compensate.
If we epically oversimplify and say 1/3 of Paul supporters vote Paul/3rd party/stay home (I think it'll be higher than this), 1/3 goes Willard (think it'll be lower, and 1/3 goes Obama (think it'll be lower, but could really have numbers that'll hurt Willard in certain states), then Willard fails to convert. If half or more of the Paul primary supporters take the Paul/3rd party/stay home option then then same result occurs.

I maintain what I've been saying since before the primary started, in a race between Willard and Obama it is Obamas race to lose.

[mstrmac1]

Obama, hannity, GOP, Romney.....what's the difference?

[opinionatedfool]

The only Ron Paul supporters who would ever support Romney are people who are attracted to our energy and want to be apart of some kind of movement (similar to the occupy phenomenon) but aren't actually 'awake'.

I suspect that those people account for a very small percentage of Ron Paul supporters.

Unfortunately, I think there are more than we think. I know several "supporters" who voted for Ron Paul but are still willing to vote Romney in the general. Don't quite get it, but that's what it is.

I'm not really seriuos about this, but we should all vote Obama just for spite.

[CaptUSA]

I can't imagine anything Romney can do to convince me to not vote for Ron Paul, Vermin Supreme, or Gary Johnson. His history is tarnished.
Put Ron Paul on the ticket? I think that could do it for me. Anything short of that will not work.

I know a lot of you wouldn't vote for Romney even if Paul was on the ticket, but I'd do it, just to make his name and ideas get more coverage. They couldn't ignore the Vice President. Especially, if he was constantly criticizing the administration!

[TrishW]

Is this the first year I don't even go to the polls? I could never in good conscience vote for either candidate.. Romney nor Obama.

I feel lost in a country, with a people, I no longer understand.

[Chester Copperpot]

Put Ron Paul on the ticket? I think that could do it for me. Anything short of that will not work.

I know a lot of you wouldn't vote for Romney even if Paul was on the ticket, but I'd do it, just to make his name and ideas get more coverage. They couldn't ignore the Vice President. Especially, if he was constantly criticizing the administration!

If Romney put Ron Paul as vice president you know somebody would go out there and kill Romney. Just so RP would be president.

Romney will never do it.

[libertyfanatic]

If Romney put Ron Paul as vice president you know somebody would go out there and kill Romney. Just so RP would be president.

Romney will never do it.

Possible false flag?

[TrishW]

If Romney put Ron Paul as vice president you know somebody would go out there and kill Romney. Just so RP would be president.

Romney will never do it.

He stands in the way of Paul being nominated and no one is trying to harm him.

I don't think the average joe kills presidents. IMO That's the powers taking out their figure head. Flip flop Romney will be fine. Paul as President might be a problem to them.

[CaptUSA]

If Romney put Ron Paul as vice president you know somebody would go out there and kill Romney. Just so RP would be president.

Romney will never do it.Yeah, I would be far more worried about the safety of Dr. Paul than I would about Romney. I think you are believing what some of the media is telling us about Ron Paul supporters. We're really not crazies...

[smithtg]

I've been doing battle off and on today on a Facebook friend's thread with what is apparently a bunch of Paul primary voters in Tennessee (I'm in CA) who are now adamant about voting for Romney. They don't want to continue down the road to socialism (LOL). The mantra is "NOBAMA." Also, they don't want to "waste" their vote on Gary Johnson. So it is, indeed, quite surreal and very frustrating. They are all simply duped into voting for the two-headed monster. So, it seems possible that there may be scores of Paul supporters in the primaries that will cast their vote for Mittens in November. Plus, Matt Larsen offers no evidence whatsoever that Mittens needs the entirety of the Paul primary voters to win in November.



too much fox news kool aid for those guys

they both are bought and paid for by the banks. Weimar here we come. Stock up on the guns and food fellas

[jkr]

NO!
RON cant win without THEM

IT IS ALL ON THEM

[Okie RP fan]

I've been doing battle off and on today on a Facebook friend's thread with what is apparently a bunch of Paul primary voters in Tennessee (I'm in CA) who are now adamant about voting for Romney. They don't want to continue down the road to socialism (LOL). The mantra is "NOBAMA." Also, they don't want to "waste" their vote on Gary Johnson. So it is, indeed, quite surreal and very frustrating. They are all simply duped into voting for the two-headed monster. So, it seems possible that there may be scores of Paul supporters in the primaries that will cast their vote for Mittens in November. Plus, Matt Larsen offers no evidence whatsoever that Mittens needs the entirety of the Paul primary voters to win in November.

I think every die hard is abstaining, writing in, or voting third party. That much we know.

However, I could easily see the case of much of our soft support going Romney because they really think he will slow down the damage that Obama is causing.

Little do they know...

That is why it's important that every Paul supporter seriously consider the other three options to Obamney: abstain, write in, third party. If all of us who voted in the primaries did this, it would be a major dent in many states. I've encouraged my parents (thus far, they may change their mind), who are soft support for Paul, to not vote in November. They don't like Romney, but, who knows what will happen between now and November that might make them change their minds?

[FSP-Rebel]

Clearly, they're trying to set us up as the fall guys for when R-money gets his clock cleaned. It won't stick because any conservative can see that R-money was the weakest candidate they could find based on exciting the base.

[ClydeCoulter]

Clearly, they're trying to set us up as the fall guys for when R-money gets his clock cleaned. It won't stick because any conservative can see that R-money was the weakest candidate they could find based on exciting the base.

Yes, they will do what they can to demonize us if/when R-money fails. We need to get out some bumper stickers if this occurs. Something like "Don't blame us, we wanted a conservate candidate, remember RP2012".

[jbauer]

I'm from TN and I'm not voting for RoMoney.


I've been doing battle off and on today on a Facebook friend's thread with what is apparently a bunch of Paul primary voters in Tennessee (I'm in CA) who are now adamant about voting for Romney. They don't want to continue down the road to socialism (LOL). The mantra is "NOBAMA." Also, they don't want to "waste" their vote on Gary Johnson. So it is, indeed, quite surreal and very frustrating. They are all simply duped into voting for the two-headed monster. So, it seems possible that there may be scores of Paul supporters in the primaries that will cast their vote for Mittens in November. Plus, Matt Larsen offers no evidence whatsoever that Mittens needs the entirety of the Paul primary voters to win in November.

[Brian Defferding]

Fark.com just linked this thread on their website, just a heads up (http://www.fark.com/comments/7217633/Fox-News-admits-Romney-cannot-win-without-RON-PAUL). Says the first poster on their website regarding this forum:


That forum is hilarious.

It's concentrated self delusion.

...while not seeing the irony of posting on Fark.

[EBounding]

Most conservatives want Romney because they believe Obama is a Marxist who hates America and Romney is not. That may be true. But the results haven't been much different than the Bush years. Obamacare was upheld by a Bush SC Justice. That was the whole reason conservatives were motivated to vote for Bush in '04 simply to have people on the court to stop a law like Obamacare. And then the punchline to the bad joke is that we're supposed to rally behind the first governor to implement universal health insurance.

The fact that we survived 4 years of Obama (and 8 years of Bush), proves that the system still has enough firewalls to prevent the complete loss of our freedoms and full implementation of the President's agenda. Even if Obama is truly evil, he hasn't been able to implement his full agenda. So the real crime is giving our consent to Romney to continue his big government record.

There's no point in arguing this to them though. I just smile and nod when they say we need to "unite" around Romney to beat Obama. Because even if we "united", Romney still needs to win the undecided independents. What can we possibly say to convince them to vote Romney over Obama?

[Liberty74]

So they ostracized us for 5 or 6 years now, called us all kinds of terrible names, and now want us to vote for their guy.

Brilliant, they are.

Gary Johnson 2012

They aren't getting my vote at the national level. These neocons should have thought about their lies and smears against Ron before opening up their mouths and launching a nuclear attack against him and us. We are the real deal, not flip flopping self admitted Progressive Mittens. Now they are stuck with a leftist with a "R" after his name.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

[anaconda]

Lol, who can they pick to get us to vote for Romney? I wouldn't vote for Romney if Ron Paul was his running mate...

I would not vote for that ticket, either.

[anaconda]

I want to say that I wouldn't vote for Romney/Ron Paul ticket, but the truth is that I probably would. Ron Paul as an opposition VP voting NO on everything, with the President's ear is a lot better than Ron Paul as a retired Congressman.

I believe this would still qualify as voting for "the lesser of two evils."

[anaconda]

I'm not really seriuos about this, but we should all vote Obama just for spite.

This may be the best strategic move for popularizing a liberty candidate in 2016.

[anaconda]

I'm from TN and I'm not voting for RoMoney.

I love Tennessee. My grand dad was from there. I am sorry if I stereotyped. But I suppose I am grasping at some attempt to quantify voter sentiment and psychology to the extent that party loyalty trumps platform. I live smack between Oakland and Berkeley where about every fifth car has an Obama bumper sticker. That stereotype obviously does not apply to me. Peace.

[anaconda]

Yes, they will do what they can to demonize us if/when R-money fails. We need to get out some bumper stickers if this occurs. Something like "Don't blame us, we wanted a conservate candidate, remember RP2012".

I think after August I will definitely go to the Cafe Press and find a "Don't Blame Me. I Voted For Ron Paul" bumper sticker. Hmmm...but I guess you're saying I shouldn't do that if Obama wins..

[anaconda]

Gary Johnson 2012

They aren't getting my vote at the national level. These neocons should have thought about their lies and smears against Ron before opening up their mouths and launching a nuclear attack against him and us. We are the real deal, not flip flopping self admitted Progressive Mittens. Now they are stuck with a leftist with a "R" after his name.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

Well said!

[sailingaway]

I want to say that I wouldn't vote for Romney/Ron Paul ticket, but the truth is that I probably would. Ron Paul as an opposition VP voting NO on everything, with the President's ear is a lot better than Ron Paul as a retired Congressman.

I agree. I figure there is no difference between Obama and Romney, and I'd be voting for Ron Paul as VP.

But since Ron will never stop being Ron, Romney is unlikely to pick him. I think Romney would rather lose than be challenged.

[sailingaway]

I think after August I will definitely go to the Cafe Press and find a "Don't Blame Me. I Voted For Ron Paul" bumper sticker. Hmmm...but I guess you're saying I shouldn't do that if Obama wins..

I already have a shirt that says that from 2008.

[Feelgood]

Ron Paul needs to announce he is close to picking HIS VP to run with him. Seal the deal and in your face to the GOP. Of course Ron wont do it, but it would be nice...

[kahless]

I dislike Romney for all the same reasons stated but all this talk about no difference between Romney and Obama is bullshit.

Just of the top of my head a few examples come to mind that effect me directly.

1. Health insurance rates that I can no longer afford. Under Obama not only will I still not be able to afford health insurance, I will be penalized next year with a tax. So some of the money I could have used to pay for insurance is going to go to the IRS.

Romney however is running with Ron's plank of allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines to drive down costs. He has also renounced the mandate and plans to repeal Obamacare. I know this is the guy that created it at the state level but it is the only chance of repeal of any of it where Obama there is no chance. I also believe he knows he cannot get re-elected if he betrays this campaign promise.

2. Romney = lower taxes and spending cuts. Obama = higher taxes and increased spending.

This is some what of an improvement over Obama. It is not Ron Paul but it is in my best interest. Of course Romney does not come close to Ron Paul and would be a painful choice but it is still in my best interest. If you are given a choice of a master that will beat you 2 hours a day instead of 5. I will take 2 hours a day.

For moral reasons however I may just sit home or vote Johnson but just getting tired of the no difference bit and people so shocked a Paul supporter would consider Romney when the choice is between a Socialist and a Communist.

[TheGrinch]

Can take that a bit further. If the GOP wanted to win, they would have never run Romney....

Hell, it's entirely possible the GOP brass wants the democrats left holding the bag (though I have serious doubts their intentions are anywhere near that genuine). I mean, after McCain didn't excite people, they go with Romney this time? One can just about only draw two reasonable conclusions, probably both: 1) that conservative voters hate Obama so much, that they could shove any puppet in their face if people believed he had a shot of beating him, or 2) they're happy letting the dems take the fall and making careers out of criticizing the guy they helped re-elect.

Option three, is they're all so corrupt under the current system that they really don't give a crap who's in power, as long as it's not honest people like Ron Paul threatening the gravy train. Actually, that's probably the one I can say with any level of certainty.

[TheGrinch]

I dislike Romney for all the same reasons stated but all this talk about no difference between Romney and Obama is bullshit.

Just of the top of my head a few examples come to mind that effect me directly.

1. Health insurance rates that I can no longer afford. Under Obama not only will I still not be able to afford health insurance, I will be penalized next year with a tax. So some of the money I could have used to pay for insurance is going to go to the IRS.

Romney however is running with Ron's plank of allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines to drive down costs. He has also renounced the mandate and plans to repeal Obamacare. I know this is the guy that created it at the state level but it is the only chance of repeal of any of it where Obama there is no chance. I also believe he knows he cannot get re-elected if he betrays this campaign promise.

2. Romney = lower taxes and spending cuts. Obama = higher taxes and increased spending.

This is some what of an improvement over Obama. It is not Ron Paul but it is in my best interest. Of course Romney does not come close to Ron Paul and would be a painful choice but it is still in my best interest. If you are given a choice of a master that will beat you 2 hours a day instead of 5. I will take 2 hours a day.

For moral reasons however I may just sit home or vote Johnson but just getting tired of the no difference bit and people so shocked a Paul supporter would consider Romney when the choice is between a Socialist and a Communist.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is a big part of what got us into this mess. We have to demand more from our politicians, or we'll continue to get more Bush's and Romneys.

[lx43]

I'm writing in RP name and not voting for Mittens or Comrade Obama.

[kahless]

Choosing the lesser of two evils is a big part of what got us into this mess. We have to demand more from our politicians, or we'll continue to get more Bush's and Romneys.

I have always believed that and have not voted R or D for President since the 80s. As bad as Romney is there way too much at stake. Under this President my life has been impacted the most and will continue to be impacted further if he is re-elected. There is just too much at stake to allow Obama another 4 years.

[kahless]

I'm writing in RP name and not voting for Mittens or Comrade Obama.

I cannot do that in my county. All write-in's are trashed and listed in the tally as "scatter".

[sailingaway]

I cannot do that in my county. All write-in's are trashed and listed in the tally as "scatter".

They are counted as the difference between voters for other tickets and for president. If a presidential race has significantly fewer voters than voted in other races, they can't spin it as 'not caring enough to vote', it is clearly (to me) rejection of the choices. The media may not report it, but they won't report what we want in any event. We can get the word out of results, if they are significant.

In any event, I'm not going to vote for a candidate I don't want.

So I plan to write in Ron Paul, barring the unlikely event of Romney picking Ron to be VP and National Conscience....

[Anti Federalist]

Who voted this thread one star and why?

[row333au]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_162843&v=5ScPXDRcIfc&src_vid=fFbc3sHl3Ic&feature=iv

[bunklocoempire]

I dislike Romney for all the same reasons stated but all this talk about no difference between Romney and Obama is bullshit.

Just of the top of my head a few examples come to mind that effect me directly.

1. Health insurance rates that I can no longer afford. Under Obama not only will I still not be able to afford health insurance, I will be penalized next year with a tax. So some of the money I could have used to pay for insurance is going to go to the IRS.

Romney however is running with Ron's plank of allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines to drive down costs. He has also renounced the mandate and plans to repeal Obamacare. I know this is the guy that created it at the state level but it is the only chance of repeal of any of it where Obama there is no chance. I also believe he knows he cannot get re-elected if he betrays this campaign promise.

2. Romney = lower taxes and spending cuts. Obama = higher taxes and increased spending.

This is some what of an improvement over Obama. It is not Ron Paul but it is in my best interest. Of course Romney does not come close to Ron Paul and would be a painful choice but it is still in my best interest. If you are given a choice of a master that will beat you 2 hours a day instead of 5. I will take 2 hours a day.

For moral reasons however I may just sit home or vote Johnson but just getting tired of the no difference bit and people so shocked a Paul supporter would consider Romney when the choice is between a Socialist and a Communist.

"no difference" between Romney and Obama is only one part of why telling both of those jokers to take a hike is so important.

This is what the bulk of the issue really is:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

..I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


From George Washington's farewell address 1796. That is friggin' scary stuff. We are at this stage, and we will perpetuate it and make it even worse by further ignoring the similarities of the parties and giving any credence to their "differences".

Hang in there. Hold the line. EDIT: Short term "in my best interest" bones thrown to you are an insult to you. You do not deserve ANY beatings.

[jovasi]

The only Ron Paul supporters who would ever support Romney are people who are attracted to our energy and want to be apart of some kind of movement (similar to the occupy phenomenon) but aren't actually 'awake'.

I suspect that those people account for a very small percentage of Ron Paul supporters.

Exactly! Took the words right out of my mouth. No TRUE Ron Paul supporter or freedom/liberty lover would ever cast a vote for Romney. He is everything this movement abhors. +rep

[Kylie]

I dislike Romney for all the same reasons stated but all this talk about no difference between Romney and Obama is bullshit.

Just of the top of my head a few examples come to mind that effect me directly.

1. Health insurance rates that I can no longer afford. Under Obama not only will I still not be able to afford health insurance, I will be penalized next year with a tax. So some of the money I could have used to pay for insurance is going to go to the IRS.

Romney however is running with Ron's plank of allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines to drive down costs. He has also renounced the mandate and plans to repeal Obamacare. I know this is the guy that created it at the state level but it is the only chance of repeal of any of it where Obama there is no chance. I also believe he knows he cannot get re-elected if he betrays this campaign promise.

2. Romney = lower taxes and spending cuts. Obama = higher taxes and increased spending.

This is some what of an improvement over Obama. It is not Ron Paul but it is in my best interest. Of course Romney does not come close to Ron Paul and would be a painful choice but it is still in my best interest. If you are given a choice of a master that will beat you 2 hours a day instead of 5. I will take 2 hours a day.

For moral reasons however I may just sit home or vote Johnson but just getting tired of the no difference bit and people so shocked a Paul supporter would consider Romney when the choice is between a Socialist and a Communist.



A false choice is still false.

What if I don't want to be beaten AT ALL?

I always reserve the right to say NO to any of it. And trying to justify voting for someone who will only beat you two hours a day, when you know damned good and well you shouldn't be beaten at all, is such a weird analogy anyway.

They have no right to beat me. Period. They have no right to use force against me, be it force-light, or full out force heavy.

[donnay]

That is why, in November, my vote will stand; No One But Paul!

[Tankbot85]

FUCK YOU FRANK!!

That guy is a complete shill.

[EBounding]

I dislike Romney for all the same reasons stated but all this talk about no difference between Romney and Obama is bullshit.


I agree. There is a difference between Obama and Romney. Obama doesn't really care for this country or what it was founded on. I'm sure Romney loves America, but he thinks it's problems will be cured just by him being president and tweaking big government. But to me, their differences are irrelevant.

The system still works. Even if Obama is Stalin reincarnated, there's still enough controls in our system to keep him from implementing his full agenda. We survived 4 years of Obama when people thought we wouldn't even make it past the first year. We also survived 8 years of Bush.

To me, the real damage is giving Romney approval for what he's done in the past simply based what he says he'll do now. I'm tired of being manipulated by politicians.

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog-content/withdrawing-consent-cartoon.jpg (http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/our-predictions-about-the-obamacare-congame)

[kahless]

A false choice is still false.

What if I don't want to be beaten AT ALL?

I always reserve the right to say NO to any of it. And trying to justify voting for someone who will only beat you two hours a day, when you know damned good and well you shouldn't be beaten at all, is such a weird analogy anyway.

They have no right to beat me. Period. They have no right to use force against me, be it force-light, or full out force heavy.

You have no choice since your fellow slaves overwhelming only chose masters that will beat you. I therefore chose the master that will beat me less at least until we have someone whom does not want to be our master and have converted a formidable number of slaves so that person can win.

If I do not work with my fellow slaves to ensure the lesser master wins then I will be beaten more for the next four years. There is also not enough slaves that think like me to resist my master. If I do so my master and the majority of slaves will insist on imprisoning me and the news media will tell everyone I am crazy for the mere thought that my master is wrong.

My masters house will also not collapse in the next 4 years which I think some people here are banking on. Therefore unless something miraculous happens in converting the masses then the only choice right now to reduce my beating over the next 4 years is to vote for Romney.

btw - if Ron does not get a speaking slot at the convention I may make the sacrifice and either not vote or vote for Johnson.

[Shane Harris]

If they really want me to vote for the lesser of two evils then so be it, Obama it is.

[kahless]

If they really want me to vote for the lesser of two evils then so be it, Obama it is.

How the hell would Obama be the lesser of the two evils? I think your hatred of the GOP due to their treatment of Ron Paul has blinded you from reality.