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hazek
07-15-2012, 04:37 AM
Just.. stupid :mad::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8XhQfvpW8

Kluge
07-15-2012, 04:42 AM
This is actually one of the most offensive quotes I've heard from this bastard. I don't think it's out of context either.

If "someone else" makes my business happen, then why bother trying or doing anything? It'll just happen.

hazek
07-15-2012, 04:51 AM
It was said in this context:


If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

But please.. how many other people received the same "gifts" and somehow don't have a business?!


The worst part is the sheeple ignoramuses eat this up like it's the truth and nothing but the truth. I swear I'm this close to giving up my principles and just becoming one of these psychopaths and abuse the shit out of stupid people.

hazek
07-15-2012, 04:51 AM
Well not really.

evilfunnystuff
07-15-2012, 07:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj1rdapaW_o

PaulConventionWV
07-15-2012, 08:02 AM
It was said in this context:



But please.. how many other people received the same "gifts" and somehow don't have a business?!


The worst part is the sheeple ignoramuses eat this up like it's the truth and nothing but the truth. I swear I'm this close to giving up my principles and just becoming one of these psychopaths and abuse the shit out of stupid people.

The worst part is where he says somebody "created the American system that allowed you to thrive." I don't know about you, but this system isn't doing too hot according to my knowledge. Whoever created it was dumb. The REAL American system doesn't need to be "created." The market is independent of any control. This really is an offensive statement, one of the worst from him.

Dr.3D
07-15-2012, 08:08 AM
The dummy doesn't understand, we the people created the "American system", after that, the government screwed it up.

CaptUSA
07-15-2012, 08:12 AM
If you got a business nowadays, it's because you figured out how to navigate your way through the amazingly complex maze that is designed to stop you. You took a look at the regulations, the taxes, and the government-sponsored competition and said, "Screw it, I'm doing it anyway!"

And this moron is trying to tell us we should be thanking that system?! And we should pay a duty to that system? As if the roads, the education, and the utilities would not exist if it were not for the benevolent government?!

And they tell me Ron Paul can't be President?! "Screw it, I'm voting for him anyway!"

romancito
07-15-2012, 08:23 AM
He should have said, "if you have a professional degree." Change that to "if you have a professional degree, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen."

coastie
07-15-2012, 08:27 AM
:eek: What the fuck is it with the zombies in the background, nodding their heads and smiling and yelling as if they actually understand a fucking word he is saying.:confused:

They're feeding off his oratory skills-and nothing else.

Oh man we're in big, big trouble.

Danke
07-15-2012, 08:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSadCyMu_Dk&feature=player_embedded

KingRobbStark
07-15-2012, 08:56 AM
I can already prophetize their next argument:


"You don't really own your body. You only exist thanks to Obamacare."

NewRightLibertarian
07-15-2012, 09:05 AM
:eek: What the fuck is it with the zombies in the background, nodding their heads and smiling and yelling as if they actually understand a fucking word he is saying.:confused:

They're feeding off his oratory skills-and nothing else.

Oh man we're in big, big trouble.

You said it: zombies

romancito
07-15-2012, 09:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSadCyMu_Dk&feature=player_embedded

I believe she is right in everything she said and this Peter is way wrong in almost everything he said - he is fibbing - misleading.

The problem comes when government borrows creating debt that younger and unborn generations have to pay in order to provide for goods and services and entitlements. That is where she is wrong. If she said that she and those listening to her have paid for those government services then she is lying also. She is talking about a whole lot of debt that the government incurs and that she and those listening are not ready nor willing to pay for.

pauljmccain
07-15-2012, 09:16 AM
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If you got a business nowadays, it's because you figured out how to navigate your way through the amazingly complex maze that is designed to stop you. You took a look at the regulations, the taxes, and the government-sponsored competition and said, "Screw it, I'm doing it anyway!"

QFT. As a business owner, this really makes me mad. The "system" that gave me roads is also the system that made me wait 4 hours in line over 3 days to get a sales tax license, hours on the phone trying to get the correct forms for issuing private securities, and countless other bureaucratic nonsense. It's really amazing so many people still try to go through the process of our amazing "system."

romancito
07-15-2012, 09:22 AM
The problem with most of us, the President, Warren and Schiff is that we are very comfortable with everything we have that is the product of a debt that is placed at the feet of unborn citizens that will have to jump through hoops and chains in order to get that debt paid. But we think that those children belong to us, that they are our property our slaves just because we are giving them our plastic techno society. Whatever we want we should be willing to pay for in the present - right out of our pockets and stop lying about everything.

Next time you see a newborn go to him and thank her/him for her/his future belongs to you.

July
07-15-2012, 09:22 AM
This is pretty standard stuff I hear a lot..it means that the state does have a role in driving the economy because it provides infrastructure, education, and other services, so in that sense the state produces business men and skilled workers. It's the common counter argument for the assertion that the state doesn't produce wealth.

NoOneButPaul
07-15-2012, 09:25 AM
Gives some serious insight into the socialist mind of this President.

Everything is everyones, you don't build anything yourself...

coastie
07-15-2012, 09:28 AM
This is pretty standard stuff I hear a lot..it means that the state does have a role in driving the economy because it provides infrastructure, education, and other services, so in that sense the state produces business men and skilled workers. It's the common counter argument for the assertion that the state doesn't produce wealth.

The state produces nothing, it only consumes. Period.

This isn't a counter-argument, it's a politician's desperate attempt at spinning lead into gold.

romancito
07-15-2012, 09:32 AM
I can already prophetize their next argument:


"You don't really own your body. You only exist thanks to Obamacare."

Our current government debt and trend requires unborn generations to pledge their bodies to you so that they can pay the debt you are accumulating in your behalf and enjoying the benefits of it. And all the plastic technology that you enjoy that is owed to China has a useful life of only a few years. But the unborn will have to pay for a whole more than that just for you to feel secure and happy today.

jkr
07-15-2012, 09:42 AM
HEY IMPOSTER!

WE BUILT THAT SHIT DESPITE ANIMALS LIKE YOU

YOU ARE NOT G-D AND WE WILL NOT WORSHIP YOU AND YOUR ILK AS SUCH

F OFF POSSER

jbauer
07-15-2012, 09:44 AM
So here's a good question?

Should we be hopeing for Odumbo to get re-elected or siding with Romeny??? :eek:

If your head doesn't hurt it will now!!!

jbauer
07-15-2012, 09:46 AM
Oh and F him. I'm a buisness owner and I've not been give a damn thing except headaches from anything that has anything to do with the government.

July
07-15-2012, 09:56 AM
The state produces nothing, it only consumes. Period.

This isn't a counter-argument, it's a politician's desperate attempt at spinning lead into gold.

Yes, but it's key to understanding the leftist point of view, because a lot of other ideological ideas stem from this world view. It sets up the notion of giving back and paying your fair share. Since society (the state) has collectively produced you, you then have a moral obligation to pay back into society (collectively), so that others may also benefit from the same resources and services--without which your success would not have been possible. This is why so many have trouble with visualizing the free market existing outside of the context of the state--because they believe that the collective state has been instrumental in producing the raw material (people) that participate in the market, the very people who go on to start businesses, etc. This is how the state investing into education becomes a way for government to say it creates jobs, and justifies spending on social programs, etc.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-15-2012, 10:03 AM
This is actually one of the most offensive quotes I've heard from this bastard. I don't think it's out of context either.

If "someone else" makes my business happen, then why bother trying or doing anything? It'll just happen.

He is a rock star president. Gee, how many people even in here think that a young person is naturally wise just because they are able to play a guitar and they have long hair? Obama is the same way. People lose their minds around him because of his golden voice.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-15-2012, 10:08 AM
Yes, but it's key to understanding the leftist point of view, because a lot of other ideological ideas stem from this world view. It sets up the notion of giving back and paying your fair share. Since society (the state) has collectively produced you, you then have a moral obligation to pay back into society (collectively), so that others may also benefit from the same resources and services--without which your success would not have been possible. This is why so many have trouble with visualizing the free market existing outside of the context of the state--because they believe that the collective state has been instrumental in producing the raw material (people) that participate in the market, the very people who go on to start businesses, etc. This is how the state investing into education becomes a way for government to say it creates jobs, and justifies spending on social programs, etc.

This has nothing to do with the left. There is good reason why president Obama should be considered childish and immature. Claiming he is so because of some liberal leftest nonsense makes this fact just a matter of opinon. President Obama isn't in contempt of a conservative agenda, or of the U.S. Constitution even. He is in contempt of the people's Civil Purpose and his own conscience.

LibForestPaul
07-15-2012, 10:12 AM
:eek: What the fuck is it with the zombies in the background, nodding their heads and smiling and yelling as if they actually understand a fucking word he is saying.:confused:

They're feeding off his oratory skills-and nothing else.

Oh man we're in big, big trouble.

sophistry, worked a millennia ago, works now.

July
07-15-2012, 10:25 AM
This has nothing to do with the left. There is good reason why president Obama should be considered childish and immature. Claiming he is so because of some liberal leftest nonsense makes this fact just a matter of opinon. President Obama isn't in contempt of a conservative agenda, or of the U.S. Constitution even. He is in contempt of the people's Civil Purpose and his own conscience.

No doubt Obama, like so many other politicians, just uses bits and pieces of ideological rhetoric to advance an agenda. But I do think ideology can be a powerful tool of state propaganda, to persuade people, and he's clearly doing that here. He's playing on people's emotions that your business success depends upon someone else having generously given to you something you didn't necessarily earn yourself. The implications are powerful. You don't necessarily own what you create, society owns what you create.

Dr.3D
07-15-2012, 10:38 AM
sophistry, worked a millennia ago, works now.
Worked for Hitler not so long ago too.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-15-2012, 10:41 AM
No doubt Obama, like so many other politicians, just uses bits and pieces of ideological rhetoric to advance an agenda. But I do think ideology can be a powerful tool of state propaganda, to persuade people, and he's clearly doing that here. He's playing on people's emotions that your business success depends upon someone else having generously given to you something you didn't necessarily earn yourself. The implications are powerful. You don't necessarily own what you create society owns what you create.

But there is a secular Christian belief backing this up, the idea that Christ with just a wave of His blessing hand fed a multitude without any work being performed. For many, especially those in the African American community of color, president Obama is the second coming of Christ. Well, he fits their idea of a God-send.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
07-15-2012, 10:48 AM
Thats a scary quote by him.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
07-15-2012, 10:50 AM
I made this response on facebook:

So if I save money I earned for years, go to school and educate myself, work hard in coming up with a great idea that could benefit people, put up collateral and make a proposal to investors that have faith in my idea and are willing to put money behind me, put up... lets say...300k of my own money that I have earned over the years, purchase capital, equipment, property, and pay people who voluntarily are willing to except what I am willing to pay them for what they can contribute to helping make my idea successful, Pay exorbitant taxes, pay creditors, work 18 hour days, and struggle to make sure my idea is successful enough to last, I have no claim on the success of my idea?? Well...ok then. Thanks for letting me know. Im going to sit my ass down and surf the net all day and get drunk. Thanks Prez :) Obama 12'

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-15-2012, 10:52 AM
sophistry, worked a millennia ago, works now.

Sophistry also seems to work rather well for 99% of the members in this forum.

1) First reduce in terms to what is the primary American dichotomy.
2) Then think.

If the dichotomy doesn't deal with the conflict between the people and their burden to control tyranny, a war which has been going on forever, then discard it as a false dichotomy. Then politely excuse yourself to walk away from the inferior discussion. While the sophist is right in arguing against inferior people, he or she is wrong regarding inferior discussions. There is indeed a better or best principled way to go.

In other words, false dichotomies like black versus white, male versus female, rich against poor, and so on all work to distract the American people away from the one true dichotomy or conflict.

This is more important of an issue than philosophy versus sophism. A lot of so-called philosophers are in contempt of the disadvantaged people and their Civil Purpose.

AME3
07-15-2012, 10:57 AM
:eek: What the fuck is it with the zombies in the background, nodding their heads and smiling and yelling as if they actually understand a fucking word he is saying.:confused:

They're feeding off his oratory skills-and nothing else.

Oh man we're in big, big trouble. LOL yeah, those are his pulpit minions....

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-15-2012, 11:03 AM
I made this response on facebook:

So if I save money I earned for years, go to school and educate myself, work hard in coming up with a great idea that could benefit people, put up collateral and make a proposal to investors that have faith in my idea and are willing to put money behind me, put up... lets say...300k of my own money that I have earned over the years, purchase capital, equipment, property, and pay people who voluntarily are willing to except what I am willing to pay them for what they can contribute to helping make my idea successful, Pay exorbitant taxes, pay creditors, work 18 hour days, and struggle to make sure my idea is successful enough to last, I have no claim on the success of my idea?? Well...ok then. Thanks for letting me know. Im going to sit my ass down and surf the net all day and get drunk. Thanks Prez :) Obama 12'

Right now, much of the business taking place is being performed by "workers of inequity." To go along with the old Marxist sociological conflict between the bourgeois, those members with capital or with the means of production, and the proleterian, those in the working class, there exists today a new Fiat leisure class, those who own the means of counterfeit.
President Obama is a member of this new Fiat leisure class.

Royal economist to the Queen: "Your Royal Highness?"
Royal highness: "Uh, yes?"
Royal economist: "I'm afraid you won't be receiving your customary fifty percent this quarter!"
Royal highness: "What!"
Royal economist: "It is only fair!"
Royal highness: "Fiat!" (make it so).
Royal economist: "But, your highness, we would have to counterfeit!"
Royal highness: "Fiat!" (make it so).

Pauls' Revere
07-15-2012, 11:09 AM
I can already prophetize their next argument:


"You don't really own your body. You only exist thanks to Obamacare."

It'll happen. and we all become government property...I mean cattle.

Pauls' Revere
07-15-2012, 11:11 AM
Just.. stupid :mad::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8XhQfvpW8


Outsourcer in chief.

July
07-15-2012, 11:13 AM
But there is a secular Christian belief backing this up, the idea that Christ with just a wave of His blessing hand fed a multitude without any work being performed. For many, especially those in the African American community of color, president Obama is the second coming of Christ. Well, he fits their idea of a God-send.

I don't know enough about Christian theology personally to comment on that-- but if someone is Christian, wouldn't regarding the state that way be a form of idolatry? There is a grain of truth to the idea that people do help and teach us along the way, and may donate their time and resources, or make an investment in others. People do benefit from the infrastructure created by others in society. But, you don't need the state for all of these things, the free market can provide many services, and in a free society it would be based on voluntary association. Central planning of society by the state slowly erodes away at your freedom to choose who your mentors and teachers are going to be, what skills you learn, and businesses you want to create, etc.

ClydeCoulter
07-15-2012, 11:14 AM
I do agree that there are some companies that have "gained the system" and did not "earn" their success. They bribe politicians to make laws that prevent competition, and there are individuals that work together with likeminded people to suck on a company for their stock options and bonuses without actually contributing any "real" benefit to the actual health of the company as it could have been.

But for the average business owner that built their company with honesty and provides real goods and services, they have "earned" every bit of the success that they have received in like kind.

There is yet a question in my mind about "circumstantial profit" such as when property value becomes inflated through taxpayer dollars being invested in roads and the like. But, even that is sometimes a "gaming of the system" by those with insider knowlege.

Property taxes being increased based on the "new value" while the owner of the property has not received nor sought any new benefit or gain, and may not until such property is sold (if ever)... hmmm

DerailingDaTrain
07-15-2012, 11:16 AM
I need an extra head and two more hands for this face palm.

VIDEODROME
07-15-2012, 11:20 AM
It was said in this context:


If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.



Most of what he is saying isn't that unreasonable. That in one way or another a successful person probably had a mentor. Obviously somehow local roads were built. The last line is peculiar and pushing it though.


Of course what is most disturbing about President Obama's quote is what is between the lines and the conclusions he draws.


I think that is why he is one of the most aggravating people to listen to because he thrives on twisted reasoning. He does often speak in facts, but strings together a series of facts until they support his view, no matter how creative he needs to be in the way he relates these facts to eachother.

ClydeCoulter
07-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Most of what he is saying isn't that unreasonable. That in one way or another a successful person probably had a mentor. Obviously somehow local roads were built. The last line is peculiar and pushing it though.


Of course what is most disturbing about President Obama's quote is what is between the lines and the conclusions he draws.


I think that is why he is one of the most aggravating people to listen to because he thrives on twisted reasoning. He does often speak in facts, but strings together a series of facts until they support his view, no matter how creative he needs to be in the way he relates these facts to eachother.

And no matter how many facts are left out for the convenient purpose of misleading.

July
07-15-2012, 11:49 AM
Most of what he is saying isn't that unreasonable. That in one way or another a successful person probably had a mentor. Obviously somehow local roads were built. The last line is peculiar and pushing it though.

That's how sophistry/rhetoric works. It stimulates imaginative thinking, to introduce a new idea and persuade your audience to accept something they wouldn't ordinarily consider at first blush. First you establish a familiar point of reference that your audience could reasonably accept and agree on, then shift into opening it up to the new idea you want to sell, to get them to imagine and consider what it would be like. The goal here would be to get the audience to apply their familiar assumptions about how roads and bridges are built to the concept of building businesses and jobs.

Wesker1982
07-15-2012, 12:02 PM
But you used the government roads to build your business! *facepalm*

That argument totally fails. (http://wesker1982.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/taxation-is-theft/)

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-15-2012, 12:03 PM
Most of what he is saying isn't that unreasonable. That in one way or another a successful person probably had a mentor. Obviously somehow local roads were built. The last line is peculiar and pushing it though.


Of course what is most disturbing about President Obama's quote is what is between the lines and the conclusions he draws.


I think that is why he is one of the most aggravating people to listen to because he thrives on twisted reasoning. He does often speak in facts, but strings together a series of facts until they support his view, no matter how creative he needs to be in the way he relates these facts to eachother.

The wisest donkies are those that just sit there with nary a honk from their snouts. In contrast, the worst are those that always turn right when you want to go left, and always left when you want to go right. When they aren't being disagreeable with you, they are then hee-hawing at everything you say, or, even worse, always letting out the worst smelling opinons from their backsides.

MJU1983
07-15-2012, 12:10 PM
I think he's just pandering to some "progressive" base, similar to that 'nails on chalkboard' voiced Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren.

LibForestPaul
07-15-2012, 12:23 PM
I don't know enough about Christian theology personally to comment on that-- but if someone is Christian, wouldn't regarding the state that way be a form of idolatry? There is a grain of truth to the idea that people do help and teach us along the way, and may donate their time and resources, or make an investment in others. People do benefit from the infrastructure created by others in society. But, you don't need the state for all of these things, the free market can provide many services, and in a free society it would be based on voluntary association. Central planning of society by the state slowly erodes away at your freedom to choose who your mentors and teachers are going to be, what skills you learn, and businesses you want to create, etc.

indeed! Welcome to the Holy Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church, and its many derivatives.

LibForestPaul
07-15-2012, 12:25 PM
Most of what he is saying isn't that unreasonable. That in one way or another a successful person probably had a mentor. Obviously somehow local roads were built. The last line is peculiar and pushing it though.


Of course what is most disturbing about President Obama's quote is what is between the lines and the conclusions he draws.


I think that is why he is one of the most aggravating people to listen to because he thrives on twisted reasoning. He does often speak in facts, but strings together a series of facts until they support his view, no matter how creative he needs to be in the way he relates these facts to eachother.

chinese should be thankful for their government as well, thriving as well over their.

thieves all of them, and we should bow down and kiss their fn rings and be thankful

Anti Federalist
07-15-2012, 01:47 PM
I think he's just pandering to some "progressive" base, similar to that 'nails on chalkboard' voiced Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren.

This.

He doesn't believe any of that, any more than a typical GOP politician believes in "reducing the size and scope of government".

It's just an applause line.

The real agenda will roll on, regardless.

Lucille
07-15-2012, 02:44 PM
It's an applause line because Amerikans have been marinating in statism, envy, and class warfare since the day they were born.

Biden said something like that in the last week or so. "The so-called job creators... (http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-so-called-job-creators-dont-build-economy/article/2501270)"

We create jobs in spite of Leviathan...for now. It's getting harder every day. I asked DH, who started his biz in '88, if he'd even bother starting his company now. He said no.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQscE3Xed64

Credit where credit is due: Obama's govt has helped create lots of business and jobs for tax-eaters, fascist tech companies that create new and exciting ways for the govt to spy on an alleged free people, the MIC, the PIC, drug cartels, and "TBTF" bankstas and other fascist megacorps like those of BigIns and BigAg.

idiom
07-15-2012, 02:53 PM
Next he is going to start spouting off about how you don't actually own anything and owe everything to the community and should pay a hefty LVT.

MelissaWV
07-15-2012, 03:02 PM
"If you've got a presidency... you didn't build that, either."

Yeah mentors blah blah blah. I get it. Frankly, this is the same argument I hear from people when I argue I should not have to fund education. The counterargument goes something like "Oh! But if little Billy and Susie get educated, they'll be there to be your doctor, or lawyer, or care for you at an old folks' home! EVERYONE benefits!" They never have an answer for why, if I am paying for that benefit up front by funding their education, I also have to pay for a doctor (or insurance that then covers my visits), a lawyer, or an old folks' home.

Lucille
07-15-2012, 03:06 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/president-obama-if-youve-got-business-you-didnt-build-someboy-else-made-happen


Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.

Does he meant The Founders (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-collectivist-war-against-cultural-heritage) that the progs hate, and whose work they've been dismantling for a hundred years?

If he really believes that, then maybe he and his statist ilk should stop trying to destroy it.

RickyJ
07-15-2012, 03:17 PM
Someone else made it happen?

Like who?

Little green men?

If I write a virus that infects government computers and steals top secret documents then I can just claim someone else made it happen if I get caught since I could say my business is writing viruses.

Obama needs to fire his teleprompter writer.

newbitech
07-15-2012, 03:56 PM
Guess I don't have to pay the taxes then either? Is that what I am hearing?

mczerone
07-15-2012, 04:00 PM
I started hearing this argument over a year ago from Montel Williams on some FoxNews show.

I knew then that the problem wasn't the stupidity of the message, it was that so many people were going to lap it up and spread it everywhere.

Cowlesy
07-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Without my mother and father giving birth to me, I would never grown the legs to propel my forth on the sidewalk laid by people to my office on a Sunday evening to do work. I'm not even doing the work, it's really my parents and the cement pourers.


This freakin' guy....

Cowlesy
07-15-2012, 04:08 PM
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Even with the context, my parents paid property taxes to fund the teachers and their nice pensions. And they paid gasoline taxes to fund roads and bridges. So Mr. Prez, don't act like growing a business is some one-side philanthropic equation whereas the only reason it exists is because of gifts of help from public goods. These public goods were paid for, by force, so the business owner, who if successful is paying taxes, doesn't owe anyone squat beyond what the law requires. Besides, most businesses do participate in the community (ie car dealerships sponsoring little league teams, etc) and they don't need your help to do it.

Gee whiz, that guy.

malkusm
07-15-2012, 04:11 PM
More context:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/president-obama-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that-somebody-else-made-that-happen/


The official transcript relates:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. [Emphasis added]
He continued:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. [Emphasis added]

Cowlesy
07-15-2012, 04:45 PM
More context:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/president-obama-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that-somebody-else-made-that-happen/

It's like his policies and philosophy boil down to believing that we must simply re-distribute wealth until it is equal as possible between all segments of society. "Strive to be all you can be! Annnnd we'll help you get there, byyyyyyy shaving some wealth from this guy, and that guy, and this lady, sooooo here you go!"

Dr.3D
07-15-2012, 04:48 PM
Seems there is a wealth of stupidity and Obama is a master at spreading that wealth around.

Eisenhower
07-15-2012, 05:59 PM
Just trying to push the typical pro-stimulus, Democrat agenda, just like he was doing with the food stamp thing and the USDA. Keep the bullshit coming, NOBAMA.

anaconda
07-15-2012, 06:01 PM
But please.. how many other people received the same "gifts" and somehow don't have a business?!

Right. And that great teacher that gave the help may have had absolutely nothing to do with government. And may have supplied the help and lessons voluntarily. And then their wealth is confiscated for "infrastructure."

anaconda
07-15-2012, 06:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSadCyMu_Dk&feature=player_embedded

^This is lovely. Addresses Obama's comments perfectly.

Lucille
07-15-2012, 06:07 PM
Seems appropriate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0

Lucille
07-15-2012, 06:09 PM
+rep Danke

anaconda
07-15-2012, 06:39 PM
Up is down. Down is up. Black is white. War is peace. Night is day. Slavery is freedom. Somebody else built your business.

mczerone
07-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Retort #1) Read Haslitt. Sure the govt has done some "good" things to the benefit of businesses and the people. But what was the cost, what would have been done but for their coerced influence?

Retort #2) Great. The govt helped IN THE PAST to get to where we are. We have also ALREADY paid for that help. We should be able to separate ourselves from this violent institution going into the future, right? Or are we stuck for life in this violent relationship, like some unfortunate soul who owes the Godfather a favor?

The people that buy into this argument have a stronger faith in their govt than any evangelical has for their god. It's a sickness that needs to be treated with love and compassion.

jkr
07-15-2012, 08:08 PM
which begs the question

do we LIKE the fruits and false promises of the fiat fueled super progressive era?

my answer is no

RickyJ
07-15-2012, 08:16 PM
Up is down. Down is up. Black is white. War is peace. Night is day. Slavery is freedom. Somebody else built your business.

Someone else can pay my taxes too then!

Acala
07-16-2012, 09:09 AM
It's just plot development in the puppet show. Romney is being developed as the friend of the businessman and bringer of harsh justice to the lazy parasites (and, although unspoken, to the brown people). Obama is being developed as the friend of the poor and harsh justice for the selfish rich folks. It's just a play. They are actors playing carefully crafted parts so the sham election will have the appearance of a real choice. They both actually stand for exactly the same thing.

angelatc
07-16-2012, 09:19 AM
I believe she is right in everything she said and this Peter is way wrong in almost everything he said - he is fibbing - misleading.

The problem comes when government borrows creating debt that younger and unborn generations have to pay in order to provide for goods and services and entitlements. That is where she is wrong. If she said that she and those listening to her have paid for those government services then she is lying also. She is talking about a whole lot of debt that the government incurs and that she and those listening are not ready nor willing to pay for.

No, Obama/Warren is not right. At a bare minimum, businesses pay taxes - usually much more than individuals do. To imply they're not paying their own way is the lie.

Pericles
07-16-2012, 09:38 AM
This is pretty standard stuff I hear a lot..it means that the state does have a role in driving the economy because it provides infrastructure, education, and other services, so in that sense the state produces business men and skilled workers. It's the common counter argument for the assertion that the state doesn't produce wealth.

Or, did the state bid out a contract for a private company to build a road, school, pipeline, airport, etc?

What role did the state really play?

Danan
07-16-2012, 09:56 AM
Well of course we didn't achieve everything we did solely on our own. If we were alone on this planet, we would hardly survive (depending on the region). Nobody argues that we don't benefit by other people. Libertarians don't argue against the division of labor.

But the thing is, without government all those things, roads, fire departements, schools, healthcare, property protection and so on would exist too. In higher quantity and quality at lower prices. In a free society people would have to pay for the services they use unlike the current system where some profit on the expense of others.

"You didn't build that!" Well ok, so what? That's how you justify stealing their money, because they used services that were being paid for by stealing a few years ago?

Libertarians don't argue that you should have free access to roads, schools, etc. so that's a mood point. We say if you want to profit from the achievements of others agree on it voluntarly. Pay for them if you want to and otherwise don't use them. Then you actually could say "I build that!"

It's a complete perversion of reality if you force people to pay taxes, create government monoplies in various areas and then, when people have no other choice but to use these services, tell them that they have a moral obligation to continue to pay taxes because they use services paid by "the community". What a bunch of assholes.

angelatc
07-16-2012, 09:57 AM
Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. [Emphasis added]

Fail. Original internet protocol dictated that it was to be a glorious non-commercial information hub. When I joined, there were fierce debates about the best way to keep the pages of the profiteers off.

July
07-16-2012, 10:10 AM
Or, did the state bid out a contract for a private company to build a road, school, pipeline, airport, etc?

What role did the state really play?

Customer.

A customer like no other. A customer with endless disposable income, to invest how it pleases, and can never miss a payment. Govt contracting 101.

Pericles
07-16-2012, 10:16 AM
Customer.

A customer like no other. A customer with endless disposable income, to invest how it pleases, and can never miss a payment. Govt contracting 101.

Government has missed many payments to my business - because they can. Does the road work because the construction company built it, or the "state" said put a road here?

Example - in west TX, there are a large number of private landing strips for planes, up to and including two engine jets - not because the FAA thought a landing strip was needed there .....

AuH20
07-16-2012, 10:21 AM
Obama is a unashamed mafia boss. He's actually angry that there is a burgeoning movement in this country that no longer wants to pay protection fees. Sorry, but the gig is up. I really wish someone like Rand was running who could throw back this emotionally based hokum back in his face, but we all Romney won't do such a thing.

July
07-16-2012, 10:33 AM
Government has missed many payments to my business - because they can. Does the road work because the construction company built it, or the "state" said put a road here?

Example - in west TX, there are a large number of private landing strips for planes, up to and including two engine jets - not because the FAA thought a landing strip was needed there .....

The roads, landing strips, etc, would still exist without the state, and so would education. That puts the state in a position of justifying its role.

Acala
07-16-2012, 10:50 AM
The . . . landing strips . . . would still exist without the state.

No they wouldn't. Gravity only exists because of government. Al Gore invented it.

emazur
07-16-2012, 07:32 PM
Has Obama been reading Atlas Shrugged?
http://capitalism.aynrand.org/president-of-the-united-states-james-taggart/

From Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. (Arch-villain James Taggart is explaining his hatred for Hank Rearden, the inventor of a metal that has surpassed steel.)

He turned to her abruptly, the words exploding as if a safety fuse had blown. “He didn’t invent iron ore and blast furnaces, did he?”

“Who?”

“Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”

She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?”

emazur
07-19-2012, 04:42 PM
http://capitalism.aynrand.org/you-didnt-build-that/
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