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donnay
07-11-2012, 10:06 AM
Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet Away

http://gizmodo.com/5923980/the-secret-government-laser-that-instantly-knows-everything-about-you

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17scnufbcem12jpg/original.jpg

Within the next year or two, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will instantly know everything about your body, clothes, and luggage with a new laser-based molecular scanner fired from 164 feet (50 meters) away. From traces of drugs or gun powder on your clothes to what you had for breakfast to the adrenaline level in your body—agents will be able to get any information they want without even touching you.

And without you knowing it.

The technology is so incredibly effective that, in November 2011, its inventors were subcontracted by In-Q-Tel to work with the US Department of Homeland Security. In-Q-Tel is a company founded "in February 1999 by a group of private citizens at the request of the Director of the CIA and with the support of the U.S. Congress." According to In-Q-Tel, they are the bridge between the Agency and new technology companies.

Their plan is to install this molecular-level scanning in airports and border crossings all across the United States. The official, stated goal of this arrangement is to be able to quickly identify explosives, dangerous chemicals, or bioweapons at a distance.

The machine is ten million times faster—and one million times more sensitive—than any currently available system. That means that it can be used systematically on everyone passing through airport security, not just suspect or randomly sampled people.

Analyzing everything in real time

But the machine can sniff out a lot more than just explosives, chemicals and bioweapons. The company that invented it, Genia Photonics, says that its laser scanner technology is able to "penetrate clothing and many other organic materials and offers spectroscopic information, especially for materials that impact safety such as explosives and pharmacological substances." [PDF]

Formed in Montreal in 2009 by PhDs with specialties in lasers and fiber optics, Genia Photonics has 30 patents on this technology, claiming incredible biomedical and industrial applications—from identifying individual cancer cells in a real-time scan of a patient, to detecting trace amounts of harmful chemicals in sensitive manufacturing processes.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/4/2012/07/genia-photonics-picosecond.jpg

Above: The Genia Photonics' Picosecond Programmable Laser scanner is capable of detecting every tiny trace of any substance on your body, from specks of gunpowder to your adrenaline levels to a sugar-sized grain of cannabis to what you had for breakfast.

Meanwhile, In-Q-Tel states that "an important benefit of Genia Photonics' implementation as compared to existing solutions is that the entire synchronized laser system is comprised in a single, robust and alignment-free unit that may be easily transported for use in many environments… This compact and robust laser has the ability to rapidly sweep wavelengths in any pattern and sequence." [PDF]

So not only can they scan everyone. They would be able to do it everywhere: the subway, a traffic light, sports events... everywhere.

How does it work?

The machine is a mobile, rack-mountable system. It fires a laser to provide molecular-level feedback at distances of up to 50 meters in just picoseconds. For all intents and purposes, that means instantly.

The small, inconspicuous machine is attached to a computer running a program that will show the information in real time, from trace amounts of cocaine on your dollar bills to gunpowder residue on your shoes. Forget trying to sneak a bottle of water past security—they will be able to tell what you had for breakfast in an instant while you're walking down the hallway.

The technology is not new, it's just millions times faster and more convenient than ever before. Back in 2008, a team at George Washington University developed a similar laser spectrometer using a different process. It could sense drug metabolites in urine in less than a second, trace amounts of explosive residue on a dollar bill, and even certain chemical changes happening in a plant leaf.

And the Russians also have a similar technology: announced last April, their "laser sensor can pick up on a single molecule in a million from up to 50 meters away."

So if Genia Photonics' claims pan out, this will be an incredible leap forward in terms of speed, portability, and convenience. One with staggering implications.

Observation without limits

There has so far been no discussion about the personal rights and privacy issues involved. Which "molecular tags" will they be scanning for? Who determines them? What are the threshold levels of this scanning? If you unknowingly stepped on the butt of someone's joint and are carrying a sugar-sized grain of cannabis like that unfortunate traveler currently in jail in Dubai, will you be arrested?

And, since it's extremely portable, will this technology extend beyone the airport or border crossings and into police cars, with officers looking for people on the street with increased levels of adrenaline in their system to detain in order to prevent potential violent outbursts? And will your car be scanned at stoplights for any trace amounts of suspicious substances? Would all this information be recorded anywhere?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17scl3vpxjeuljpg/xlarge.jpg


Above: A page from a Genia Photonics paper describing its ability to even penetrate through clothing.

There are a lot of questions with no answer yet, but it's obvious that the potential level of personal invasion of this technology goes far beyond that of body scans, wiretaps, and GPS tracking.

The end of privacy coming soon

According to the undersecretary for science and technology of the Department of Homeland Security, this scanning technology will be ready within one to two years, which means you might start seeing them in airports as soon as 2013.

In other words, these portable, incredibly precise molecular-level scanning devices will be cascading lasers across your body as you walk from the bathroom to the soda machine at the airport and instantly reporting and storing a detailed breakdown of your person, in search of certain "molecular tags".

Going well beyond eavesdropping, it seems quite possible that U.S. government plans on recording molecular data on travelers without their consent, or even knowledge that it's possible—a scary thought. While the medical uses could revolutionize the way doctors diagnose illness, and any technology that could replace an aggressive pat-down is tempting, there's a potential dark side to this implementation, and we need to shine some light on it before it's implemented.

donnay
07-11-2012, 10:10 AM
Los Alamos Lab Have Terahertz Detectors To See Through Your Clothes From a Mile Away
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/07/terahertz-detection/
By Jess McNally Email Author July 12, 2010 | 3:16 pm | Categories: Physics, Tech

Someone may soon be able to tell what types material are in your pockets from tens, and possibly thousands, of feet away.

Using terahertz remote sensing, detectors could see through walls, clothing and packaging materials and immediately identify the unique terahertz waves of the materials contained inside, such as explosives or drugs.

Until now, detecting terahertz waves — the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum between infrared and microwave light — hasn’t been possible from distances more than inches because the waves are absorbed by ambient moisture in the air, killing the signal.

“A lot of other researchers thought that terahertz remote sensing was mission impossible,” said physicist Jingle Liu of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, lead author of the study published July 11 in Nature Photonics.

Liu’s team solved the problem by not relying on the terahertz waves themselves to generate or carry the signal back to the detector. Instead, they used the reflection created by lasers pointed at the target.

Two lasers at different frequencies aimed at the target together generate a plasma (basically excited, or ionized air). This plasma emits a florescence that is scattered in characteristic ways by the terahertz radiation of the material it hits. The reflection of the florescence is detectable from remote distances

The researchers have tested hundreds of different substances and created a library of terahertz spectra to compare to the signal from the target and instantly identify the material that was hit.

The researchers demonstrated that they could detect the signal from 67 feet away, the length of their laboratory space, but theoretically they could identify materials hundreds of feet or even miles away, Liu said.

“Homeland security and military agencies have been struggling for years to get technology like this,” said terahertz expert Abul Azad at Los Alamos National Laboratory. “I think the approach they have revealed is really, really unique.”

The first application of this technology will likely be for the remote detection of roadside bombs, also known as improvised explosive devices (IEDs) by the military. Homeland Security and the Defense Department were the primary funders of the research.

Terahertz detectors could also be used for airport security to detect illegal substances hidden in people’s clothes. The approach would be less invasive than x-rays, Liu said, because terahertz waves are much lower in energy. It would not reveal anything concealed inside the body, because the terahertz signals cannot go through water, or metal.

Theoretically, Liu said, terahertz remote sensing could also be used identify the composition of an unknown toxic spill in the environment, or the composition of objects in space.

donnay
07-11-2012, 10:11 AM
How Terahertz Waves Tear Apart DNA
A new model of the way the THz waves interact with DNA explains how the damage is done and why evidence has been so hard to gather
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/
kfc 10/30/2009


Great things are expected of terahertz waves, the radiation that fills the slot in the electromagnetic spectrum between microwaves and the infrared. Terahertz waves pass through non-conducting materials such as clothes , paper, wood and brick and so cameras sensitive to them can peer inside envelopes, into living rooms and "frisk" people at distance.

The way terahertz waves are absorbed and emitted can also be used to determine the chemical composition of a material. And even though they don't travel far inside the body, there is great hope that the waves can be used to spot tumours near the surface of the skin.

With all that potential, it's no wonder that research on terahertz waves has exploded in the last ten years or so.

But what of the health effects of terahertz waves? At first glance, it's easy to dismiss any notion that they can be damaging. Terahertz photons are not energetic enough to break chemical bonds or ionise atoms or molecules, the chief reasons why higher energy photons such as x-rays and UV rays are so bad for us. But could there be another mechanism at work?

The evidence that terahertz radiation damages biological systems is mixed. "Some studies reported significant genetic damage while others, although similar, showed none," say Boian Alexandrov at the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and a few buddies. Now these guys think they know why.

Alexandrov and co have created a model to investigate how THz fields interact with double-stranded DNA and what they've found is remarkable. They say that although the forces generated are tiny, resonant effects allow THz waves to unzip double-stranded DNA, creating bubbles in the double strand that could significantly interfere with processes such as gene expression and DNA replication. That's a jaw dropping conclusion.

And it also explains why the evidence has been so hard to garner. Ordinary resonant effects are not powerful enough to do do this kind of damage but nonlinear resonances can. These nonlinear instabilities are much less likely to form which explains why the character of THz genotoxic
effects are probabilistic rather than deterministic, say the team.

This should set the cat among the pigeons. Of course, terahertz waves are a natural part of environment, just like visible and infrared light. But a new generation of cameras are set to appear that not only record terahertz waves but also bombard us with them. And if our exposure is set to increase, the question that urgently needs answering is what level of terahertz exposure is safe.

Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0910.5294: DNA Breathing Dynamics in the Presence of a Terahertz Field

TheGrinch
07-11-2012, 10:17 AM
This one is even more rife for exploitation, but I often wonder if scientist ever even think, not only if they can do it, but if they should....

Acala
07-11-2012, 10:32 AM
I wouldn't get too concerned about it. As someone who did plenty of spectrophotometry in my former career, I can tell you that they are seriously puffing the ability to fingerprint specific molecules and penetrate clothing, and are glossing over the huge problem with interference. While it is true that you can get a molecular "fingerprint" with certain kinds of spectrophotometry, doing so is not easy unless you are dealing with a pure sample.

It isn't hard to detect particular atoms - say arsenic or lead or sulfur (in old-style gunpowder) - but detecting complex molecules like adrenalin and sifting them out of a matrix of thousands of other organic compounds composed of the same atoms? Remotely and on the fly? I'll believe it when I see it. Measuring what you had for breakfast? Not gonna happen.

And to the extent they implement atomic (as opposed to molecular) screening, they are going to have the problem of data overload.

Could they deploy a system that would detect abnormally large levels of lead or sulfurous gunpowder on your clothing or exposed skin? Yes, they probably could. Detecting cannabis dust in your pocket remotely? You won't live to see that technology.

sevin
07-11-2012, 10:35 AM
:eek:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

donnay
07-11-2012, 10:35 AM
I wouldn't get too concerned about it. As someone who did plenty of spectrophotometry in my former career, I can tell you that they are seriously puffing the ability to fingerprint specific molecules and penetrate clothing, and are glossing over the huge problem with interference. While it is true that you can get a molecular "fingerprint" with certain kinds of spectrophotometry, doing so is not easy unless you are dealing with a pure sample.

It isn't hard to detect particular atoms - say arsenic or lead or sulfur (in gunpowder) - but detecting complex molecules like adrenalin and sifting them out of a matrix of thousands of other organic compounds composed of the same atoms? Remotely and on the fly? I'll believe it when I see it. Measuring what you had for breakfast? Not gonna happen.

And to the extent they implement atomic (as opposed to molecular) screening, they are going to have the problem of data overload.

Could they deploy a system that would detect abnormally large levels of lead or gunpowder on your clothing or exposed skin. Yes, they probably could. Detecting cannabis dust in your pocket remotely? You won't live to see that technology.

I hope you are right. But as this technology is exposed publicly, one has to wonder, like with everything government does in secrecy--how long have they had this technology and how long have they tweeted it since you even introduced to it?

jcannon98188
07-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Gosh darnit. Am I the only one that is blown away by how awesome this is? I mean yeah, it is horrible in the hands of government, but this is some seriously cool stuff. It never ceases to amaze me what humans are capable of making. Too bad that this technology, which could be used for good, will instead be used for evil :/

PierzStyx
07-12-2012, 12:56 AM
Within the next year or two, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will instantly know everything about your body, clothes, and luggage with a new laser-based molecular scanner fired from 164 feet (50 meters) away. From traces of drugs or gun powder on your clothes to what you had for breakfast to the adrenaline level in your body—agents will be able to get any information they want without even touching you.

And without you knowing it.

The technology is so incredibly effective that, in November 2011, its inventors were subcontracted by In-Q-Tel to work with the US Department of Homeland Security. In-Q-Tel is a company founded "in February 1999 by a group of private citizens at the request of the Director of the CIA and with the support of the U.S. Congress." According to In-Q-Tel, they are the bridge between the Agency and new technology companies.

Their plan is to install this molecular-level scanning in airports and border crossings all across the United States. The official, stated goal of this arrangement is to be able to quickly identify explosives, dangerous chemicals, or bioweapons at a distance.

The machine is ten million times faster—and one million times more sensitive—than any currently available system. That means that it can be used systematically on everyone passing through airport security, not just suspect or randomly sampled people.
Analyzing everything in real time

But the machine can sniff out a lot more than just explosives, chemicals and bioweapons. The company that invented it, Genia Photonics, says that its laser scanner technology is able to "penetrate clothing and many other organic materials and offers spectroscopic information, especially for materials that impact safety such as explosives and pharmacological substances." [PDF]

Formed in Montreal in 2009 by PhDs with specialties in lasers and fiber optics, Genia Photonics has 30 patents on this technology, claiming incredible biomedical and industrial applications—from identifying individual cancer cells in a real-time scan of a patient, to detecting trace amounts of harmful chemicals in sensitive manufacturing processes.

Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet AwayAbove: The Genia Photonics' Picosecond Programmable Laser scanner is capable of detecting every tiny trace of any substance on your body, from specks of gunpowder to your adrenaline levels to a sugar-sized grain of cannabis to what you had for breakfast.

Meanwhile, In-Q-Tel states that "an important benefit of Genia Photonics' implementation as compared to existing solutions is that the entire synchronized laser system is comprised in a single, robust and alignment-free unit that may be easily transported for use in many environments… This compact and robust laser has the ability to rapidly sweep wavelengths in any pattern and sequence." [PDF]

So not only can they scan everyone. They would be able to do it everywhere: the subway, a traffic light, sports events... everywhere.
How does it work?

The machine is a mobile, rack-mountable system. It fires a laser to provide molecular-level feedback at distances of up to 50 meters in just picoseconds. For all intents and purposes, that means instantly.

The small, inconspicuous machine is attached to a computer running a program that will show the information in real time, from trace amounts of cocaine on your dollar bills to gunpowder residue on your shoes. Forget trying to sneak a bottle of water past security—they will be able to tell what you had for breakfast in an instant while you're walking down the hallway.

The technology is not new, it's just millions times faster and more convenient than ever before. Back in 2008, a team at George Washington University developed a similar laser spectrometer using a different process. It could sense drug metabolites in urine in less than a second, trace amounts of explosive residue on a dollar bill, and even certain chemical changes happening in a plant leaf.

And the Russians also have a similar technology: announced last April, their "laser sensor can pick up on a single molecule in a million from up to 50 meters away."

So if Genia Photonics' claims pan out, this will be an incredible leap forward in terms of speed, portability, and convenience. One with staggering implications.
Observation without limits

There has so far been no discussion about the personal rights and privacy issues involved. Which "molecular tags" will they be scanning for? Who determines them? What are the threshold levels of this scanning? If you unknowingly stepped on the butt of someone's joint and are carrying a sugar-sized grain of cannabis like that unfortunate traveler currently in jail in Dubai, will you be arrested?

And, since it's extremely portable, will this technology extend beyone the airport or border crossings and into police cars, with officers looking for people on the street with increased levels of adrenaline in their system to detain in order to prevent potential violent outbursts? And will your car be scanned at stoplights for any trace amounts of suspicious substances? Would all this information be recorded anywhere?

Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet AwayAbove: A page from a Genia Photonics paper describing its ability to even penetrate through clothing.

There are a lot of questions with no answer yet, but it's obvious that the potential level of personal invasion of this technology goes far beyond that of body scans, wiretaps, and GPS tracking.
The end of privacy coming soon

According to the undersecretary for science and technology of the Department of Homeland Security, this scanning technology will be ready within one to two years, which means you might start seeing them in airports as soon as 2013.

In other words, these portable, incredibly precise molecular-level scanning devices will be cascading lasers across your body as you walk from the bathroom to the soda machine at the airport and instantly reporting and storing a detailed breakdown of your person, in search of certain "molecular tags".

Going well beyond eavesdropping, it seems quite possible that U.S. government plans on recording molecular data on travelers without their consent, or even knowledge that it's possible—a scary thought. While the medical uses could revolutionize the way doctors diagnose illness, and any technology that could replace an aggressive pat-down is tempting, there's a potential dark side to this implementation, and we need to shine some light on it before it's implemented.

http://gizmodo.com/5923980/the-secret-government-laser-that-instantly-knows-everything-about-you

Anti Federalist
07-12-2012, 01:13 AM
Joy.

thoughtomator
07-12-2012, 01:15 AM
probably scrambles your DNA in the process

Demigod
07-12-2012, 01:17 AM
people will find a way around it.They always do.

Anti Federalist
07-12-2012, 01:19 AM
people will find a way around it.They always do.

Like they found a way around the porno scanners?

Yeah, they found a way "around it" alright.

Compliance and submission.

CaptainAmerica
07-12-2012, 02:06 AM
makes me sick.

idiom
07-12-2012, 02:21 AM
Oh the joy you could have with planting trace amounts of compounds on clothing in department stores...

Demigod
07-12-2012, 02:49 AM
Like they found a way around the porno scanners?

Yeah, they found a way "around it" alright.

Compliance and submission.

People still smuggle stuff on airports and borders .Just because you cooperate does not mean you do not have your own agenda.

Barrex
07-12-2012, 02:55 AM
Well I am asking my self same question for 7+ years now. I got idea when I first entered court. What if someone would unnoticed sprinkle anyone who enters airport, government buildings and any area that is guarded (scanners,sniffing dogs etc.) with gunpowder, marijuana and metal dust.

What if.....

This is not advice. Just a dream within a dream...

nayjevin
07-12-2012, 04:23 AM
This technology was discovered before T2

PaulConventionWV
07-12-2012, 07:13 AM
I wouldn't get too concerned about it. As someone who did plenty of spectrophotometry in my former career, I can tell you that they are seriously puffing the ability to fingerprint specific molecules and penetrate clothing, and are glossing over the huge problem with interference. While it is true that you can get a molecular "fingerprint" with certain kinds of spectrophotometry, doing so is not easy unless you are dealing with a pure sample.

It isn't hard to detect particular atoms - say arsenic or lead or sulfur (in old-style gunpowder) - but detecting complex molecules like adrenalin and sifting them out of a matrix of thousands of other organic compounds composed of the same atoms? Remotely and on the fly? I'll believe it when I see it. Measuring what you had for breakfast? Not gonna happen.

And to the extent they implement atomic (as opposed to molecular) screening, they are going to have the problem of data overload.

Could they deploy a system that would detect abnormally large levels of lead or sulfurous gunpowder on your clothing or exposed skin? Yes, they probably could. Detecting cannabis dust in your pocket remotely? You won't live to see that technology.

Thanks. I feel better now.

PaulConventionWV
07-12-2012, 07:17 AM
Oh the joy you could have with planting trace amounts of compounds on clothing in department stores...

I fail to see the fun in that.

donnay
07-12-2012, 07:43 AM
T-Ray Tech Spots Bombs, Drugs from a Mile Away
The technology can see through clothing or packages, giving security officials a head start on potential threats.


By Eric Bland (http://news.discovery.com/tech/trays-bombs-drugs-security.html)
Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:15 PM ET

http://news.discovery.com/tech/2010/07/15/suitcase-bomb-278x225.jpg
T-rays can sense explosives and drugs as well as penetrate clothing, packages or other thin materials.

THE GIST

* Terahertz waves can see through clothing and boxes to detect of drugs, explosives and more.
* Though terahertz waves are currently only used over short distances, a new technique makes long-range
scanning possible.
* Although more study is needed, the technology could be deployed at airports and on battlefields.

Start investing in metal underwear. Scientists from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) have found an ingenious way to replicate Superman's X-ray vision on targets over a mile away using lasers, plasma and terahertz waves.

The research could be applied to spot terrorists long before they can do any damage or determine if a parcel contains a bomb or drugs.

"Terahertz waves can only be used at close distances; ambient water in the atmosphere attenuates them after a few inches," said Jingle Liu, a professor at RPI and a co-author of the recent Nature Photonics paper that describes the research.

"We found a way to get around the water moisture problem," said Lui, and use terahertz waves for long distance scanning.

Military and homeland security officials are funding much of the T-ray research, including the RPI study, because T-rays can sense explosives and drugs as well as penetrate clothing, paper or other thin materials. T-rays also do not produce harmful, ionized radiation like X-rays.

Since T-rays are very difficult and expensive to produce, they occupied a little used part of the electromagnetic spectrum between infrared and microwave radiation until the last few years.

Since 1995, however, scientists have found ever cheaper and easier ways to produce T-rays, but they haven't quite worked out all the kinks yet.

Water molecules absorb T-rays and weaken them after only a few inches, making any kind of long-distance scanning, however desirable, extremely difficult. The RPI scientists found an ingenious way around the water vapor problem.

Rather than using terahertz waves to transmit data, the researchers instead employed them to detect information. The team then used other wavelengths of light, which are not weakened by water vapor, to bring that information back.

Here's how it works: Liu and his colleagues at RPI shoot two lasers at a target. The lasers create a localized field of terahertz waves, which penetrate clothing or other thin materials. The lasers also create a mass of ionized gas, or plasma, that reacts to the terahertz waves before they are weakened by water. The gas glows, passing on the information gleaned by the terahertz radiation.

When that information returns, it's compared with a library of other optical fingerprints. Once a match is determined, the scientists could determine whether a package contains drugs, explosives, or something more mundane and less dangerous.

Using the light from the plasma, instead of the terahertz waves themselves, to carry information was "very creative," a technique that hasn't been used before, said Michael Silevitch, a professor at Northeastern University.

While the research was done in the lab, "it's tantalizing to hope that this would work in the field. As a proof of concept idea, it's very exciting," he added.

The next step is to test the technique in the field, said Liu. The effect currently works up to 67 feet away, the limit of the laboratory.

In theory the process should work hundreds or even thousands of feet away, said Liu. However, the team still needs to verify that, which they hope to do after they have made a portable version of their device.

Czolgosz
07-12-2012, 08:01 AM
Destroy the Death Star before it becomes fully operational? Anybody?

Go read your DoI.

donnay
07-12-2012, 08:30 AM
The very existence of such a device is treason against the 4th amendment.

Acala
07-12-2012, 08:48 AM
Just because the government is paying some contractor to develop this technology doesn't mean it will ever work. All you are seeing at this point is the sales pitch used to get the government to fund it.

However, I am going to back off slightly from my prior statement to this extent - certain kinds of Raman spectroscopy have been developed that can TO A LIMITED DEGREE filter out surface interference, allowing it to "see through" thin layers of clothing. It can't be done with thick clothing or clothing with multiple components. And I don't know if it can be done at a distance in a real world environment.

I still think the problems with interference are largely insurmountable except for high levels of unusual compounds. Imagine trying to pull a usable fingerprint off a doorknob in an airport. That is comparable to pulling a usuable chemical fingerprint off human skin. It would need to be a VERY distinct and strong fingerprint.

ZenBowman
07-12-2012, 09:17 AM
The very existence of such a device is treason against the 4th amendment.

The 4th amendment restricts unreasonable searches by government, not private entities. So the existence of the device is not a violation of anyone's rights. Its use by government is.

jay_dub
07-12-2012, 09:17 AM
"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al5rXrKwdPo

Anti Federalist
07-12-2012, 12:32 PM
The 4th amendment restricts unreasonable searches by government, not private entities. So the existence of the device is not a violation of anyone's rights. Its use by government is.

It should.

The corporation can tyrannize you just as effectively as the government.

Corporate "rights" be fucked and damned, put a leash on them too.

No free passes as far as I'm concerned, you attack individual freedom, you are the enemy, period.

Pauls' Revere
07-22-2012, 05:42 PM
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/12090-dhs-to-deploy-new-scanners-that-secretly-search-from-50-yards-away

Very soon the Department of Homeland Security won’t have to touch you to know everything it wants to know about you. Using a new laser-based scanner that fires a beam from about 164 feet, the government will be able to see everything it wants to see about your body, your clothes, and what’s in your suitcase. Reports indicate that the soon-to-be-deployed scanner is so powerful that it can detect everything from “what you had for breakfast to the adrenaline level in your body.”

And what’s the most frightening part about this long distance über-powerful pat-down? You’ll never know it’s happening.

Welcome to 1984...were fucked.

:(

Indy Vidual
07-22-2012, 06:34 PM
This will help protect us from bad people. :o
^^^
I learned that from someone who likes to watch TV.

torchbearer
07-22-2012, 06:38 PM
technology can be used both ways.
UT Professor’s UAV hacking brings him before Congress
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/university/2012/07/19/ut-professor%E2%80%99s-uav-hacking-brings-him-congress

torchbearer
07-22-2012, 06:39 PM
The Federal Aviation Administration (http://www.faa.gov/) projects there to be more than 30,000 UAVs in use worldwide by the end of the decade. These drones are to be used for a range of applications such as commercial shipping, agricultural use and emergency services.

kpitcher
07-23-2012, 11:35 AM
I can think of a variety of good business uses for drones that can loiter in a defined path, that are cheap and can have more than one in the air at a time. No more expensive tower buildouts for cell coverage, cheap and easy replacement for the 'last mile' connection to your house. A real answer to something other than the cable/DSL duopoly for internet connections. So drones wouldn't be all bad if they keep getting cheap enough for the average citizen to use them too.

DamianTV
07-23-2012, 03:06 PM
Dont think about the Drone. Think about the type of tecnology that comes AFTER the Drone.

Your Dishwasher will be issuing you citations for not running a full load. Your Car will issue you a citation every time you push on the gas too hard. Dont worry about how fast you go, just pressing on the gas too hard from a dead stop will probably be enough for a citation. Your Medicine Cabinet will report you as a Felon for not getting rid of any expired medications. And it will all be Automatic.

This is another step into total abuse of you without your Right to Privacy and without your willingness to demand your Right to Privacy.

Working Poor
07-23-2012, 04:13 PM
Just think of the fun people will have inventing stuff to get around this new technology.

DamianTV
07-23-2012, 04:31 PM
Like using two sticks instead of a government approved / sanctioned lighter to start a fire?