Big Pharma criminality no longer a conspiracy theory

[John F Kennedy III]

Big Pharma criminality no longer a conspiracy theory

Bribery, fraud, price fixing now a matter of public record

Mike Adams

Natural News
Monday, July 9, 2012

(NaturalNews) Those of us who have long been describing the pharmaceutical industry as a “criminal racket” over the last few years have been wholly vindicated by recent news. Drug and vaccine manufacturer Merck was caught red-handed by two of its own scientists faking vaccine efficacy data by spiking blood samples with animal antibodies.

GlaxoSmithKline has just been fined a whopping $3 billion for bribing doctors, lying to the FDA, hiding clinical trial data and fraudulent marketing. Pfizer, meanwhile has been sued by the nation’s pharmacy retailers for what is alleged as an “overarching anticompetitive scheme” to keep generic cholesterol drugs off the market and thereby boost its own profits.

The picture that’s emerging is one of a criminal drug industry that has turned to mafia tactics in the absence of any real science that would prove their products to be safe or effective. The emergence of this extraordinary evidence of bribery, scientific fraud, lying to regulators and monopolistic practices that harm consumers is also making all those doctors and “skeptics” who defended Big Pharma and vaccines eat their words.

To defend Big Pharma today is to defend a cabal of criminal corporations that have proven they will do anything — absolutely anything — to keep their profits rolling in. It makes no difference who they have to bribe, what studies they have to falsify, or who has to be threatened into silence. They will stop at nothing to expand their profit base, even if it means harming (or killing) countless innocents.

Let’s take a look at recent revelations:

GlaxoSmithKline pleads guilty to bribery, fraud and other crimes

It what is now the largest criminal fraud settlement ever to come out of the pharmaceutical industry, GlaxoSmithKline has pleaded guilty and agreed to pay $1 billion in criminal fines and $2 billion in civil fines following a nine-year federal investigation into its activities.

According to U.S. federal investigators, GlaxoSmithKline


It what is now the largest criminal fraud settlement ever to come out of the pharmaceutical industry, GlaxoSmithKline has pleaded guilty and agreed to pay $1 billion in criminal fines and $2 billion in civil fines following a nine-year federal investigation into its activities.

According to U.S. federal investigators, GlaxoSmithKline (http://www.naturalnews.com/036416_GlaxoSmithKline_fraud_criminal_char…):

• Routinely bribed doctors with luxury vacations and paid speaking gigs
• Fabricated drug safety data and lied to the FDA
• Defrauded Medicare and Medicaid out of billions
• Deceived regulators about the effectiveness of its drugs
• Relied on its deceptive practices to earn billions of dollars selling potentially dangerous drugs to unsuspecting consumers and medical patients

And this is just the part they got caught doing. GSK doesn’t even deny any of this. The company simply paid the $3 billion fine, apologized to its customers, and continued conducting business as usual.

By the way, in addition to bribing physicians, GSK has plenty of money to spread around bribing celebrities and others who pimps its products. The company reportedly paid $275,000 to the celebrity doctor known as “Dr. Drew,” who promoted Glaxo’s mind-altering antidepressant drug Wellbutrin (http://naturalsociety.com/top-radio-doctor-paid-by-glaxosmithkline-to…).

As the Wall Street Journal reports:

In June 1999, popular radio personality Dr. Drew Pinsky used the airwaves to extol the virtues of GlaxoSmithKline PLC’s antidepressant Wellbutrin, telling listeners he prescribes it and other medications to depressed patients because it “may enhance or at least not suppress sexual arousal” as much as other antidepressants do. But one thing listeners didn’t know was that, two months before the program aired, Dr. Pinsky — who gained fame as “Dr. Drew” during years co-hosting a popular radio sex-advice show “Loveline” — received the second of two payments from Glaxo totaling $275,000 for “services for Wellbutrin.”
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230393340457750503200685…)

Merck falsified vaccine data, spiked blood samples and more, say former employees

According to former Merck virologists Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, the company: (http://www.naturalnews.com/036328_Merck_mumps_vaccine_False_Claims_Ac…)

• “Falsified test data to fabricate a vaccine efficacy rate of 95 percent or higher.”

• Spiked the blood test with animal antibodies in order to artificially inflate the appearance of immune system antibodies.

• Pressured the two virologists to “participate in the fraud and subsequent cover-up.”

• Used the falsified trial results to swindle the U.S. government out of “hundreds of millions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate immunization.”

• Intimidated the scientists, threatening them with going to jail unless they stayed silent.

This is all documented in a 2010 False Claims Act which NaturalNews has acquired and posted here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.p…

Millions of children put at risk by Merck

In that document the two virologists say they, “witnessed firsthand the improper testing and data falsification in which Merck engaged to artificially inflate the vaccine’s efficacy findings.”

They also claim that because of the faked vaccine results, “the United States has over the last decade paid Merck hundreds of millions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate immunization… The United States is by far the largest financial victim of Merck’s fraud.”

They go on to point out that children are the real victims, however:

“But the ultimate victims here are the millions of children who every year are being injected with a mumps vaccine that is not providing them with an adequate level of protection. …The failure in Merck’s vaccine has allowed this disease to linger with significant outbreaks continuing to occur.”

Merck’s mumps viral strain is 45 years old!

According to the complaint, Merck has been using the same mumps strain — weakened from generations of being “passaged” — for the last 45 years! The complaint reads:

“For more than thirty years, Merck has had an exclusive license from the FDA to manufacture and sell a mumps vaccine in the U.S. The FDA first approved the vaccine in 1967. It was developed by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, at Merck’s West Point research facility, from the mumps virus that infected his five year-old daughter Jeryl Lynn. Merck continues to use this ‘Jeryl Lynn’ strain of the virus for its vaccine today.”

A complete medical farce

This information appears to show Merck’s mumps vaccine to be a complete medical farce. Those who blindly backed Merck’s vaccines — the science bloggers, “skeptics,” doctors, CDC and even the FDA — have been shown to be utter fools who have now destroyed their reputations by siding with an industry now known to be dominated by scientific fraud and unbounded criminality.

That’s the really hilarious part in all this: After decades of doctors, scientists and government authorities blindly and brainlessly repeating the mantra of “95% effectiveness,” it all turns out to be total quackery hogwash. Utterly fabricated. Quackety-quack quack. And all those hundreds of millions of Americans who lined up to be injected with MMR vaccines were all repeatedly and utterly conned into potentially harming themselves while receiving no medical benefit.

Intelligent, informed NaturalNews readers, home school parents, and “awakened” people who said “No!” to vaccines are now emerging as the victors in all this. By refusing to be injected with Merck’s vaccines, they avoided being assaulted with a fraudulent cocktail of adjuvant chemicals and all-but-useless mumps strains over four decades old. They protected their time, money and health. Those who refuse to be physically violated by vaccines are, once again, turning out to be the smartest people in society. No wonder they also tend to be healthier than the clueless fools who line up to get vaccinated every year.

Merck fraudulently misrepresented the efficacy of its vaccine and contributed to the spread of infectious disease, says lawsuit

The faked vaccine efficacy numbers aren’t the only troubles Merck is now facing. Shortly after the above False Claims Act was made public, Chatom Primary Care filed suit against Merck. That document is available from NaturalNews at:
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Chatom-Lawsuit-Merck-Mum…

It alleges that:

• [Merck engaged in] …a decade-long scheme to falsify and misrepresent the true efficacy of its vaccine.

• Merck fraudulently represented and continues to falsely represent in its labeling and elsewhere that its Mumps Vaccine has an efficacy rate of 95 percent of higher.

• Merck knows and has taken affirmative steps to conceal — by using improper testing techniques and falsifying test data — that its Mumps Vaccine is, and has been since at least 1999, far less than 95 percent effective.

• Merck designed a testing methodology that evaluated its vaccine against a less virulent strain of the mumps virus. After the results failed to yield Merck’s desired efficacy, Merck abandoned the methodology and concealed the study’s findings.

• Merck also engaged in “incorporating the use of animal antibodies to artificially inflate the results… destroying evidence of the falsified data and then lying to an FDA investigator… threatened a virologist in Merck’s vaccine division with jail if he reported the fraud to the FDA.”

• “Merck designed a testing methodology that evaluated its vaccine against a less virulent strain of the mumps virus. After the results failed to yield Merck’s desired efficacy, Merck abandoned the methodology and concealed the study’s findings. [Then] Merck designed even more scientifically flawed methodology, this time incorporating the use of animal antibodies to artificially inflate the results, but it too failed to achieve Merck’s fabricated efficacy rate. Confronted with two failed methodologies, Merck then falsified the test data to guarantee the results it desired. Having achieved the desired, albeit falsified, efficacy threshold, Merck submitted these fraudulent results to the FDA and European Medicines Agency.”

• “Merck took steps to cover up the tracks of its fraudulent testing by destroying evidence of the falsified data and then lying to an FDA investigator… Merck also attempted to buy the silence and cooperation of its staff by offering them financial incentives to follow the direction of Merck personnel overseeing the fraudulent testing process. Merck also threatened… Stephen Krahling, a virologist in Merck’s vaccine division from 1999 to 2001, with jail if he reported fraud to the FDA.”

• “Merck continued to conceal what it knew about the diminished efficacy of its Mumps Vaccine even after significant mumps outbreaks in 2006 and 2009.”

Obama administration has zero interest in actual justice

Another interesting note in all this is that under President Obama, the U.S. Dept. of Justice showed no interest whatsoever in investigating Merck over the False Claims Act filed by two of its former virologists. Despite the convincing evidence of fraud described in detail by insider whistleblowers, the Obama Department of Justice, led by gun-running Attorney General Eric Holder who is already facing serious questions over Operation Fast and Furious, simply chose to ignore the False Claims Act complaint.

When evidence of criminal fraud was brought before the U.S. Department of Justice, in other words, the DoJ looked the other way with a wink and a nod to the medical crimes taking place right under their noses. Who cares if tens of millions of children are being injected year after year with a fraudulent mumps vaccine? There’s money to be made, after all, and exploiting the bodies of little children for profit is just business as usual in a fascist nation dominated by corporate interests.

Pfizer sued by retailers over anticompetitive scheme

Adding to all this, Pfizer has now been sued by five U.S. retailers (pharmacies) who accuse the company of monopolistic market practices. According to the lawsuit, Pfizer conspired to prevent generic versions of its blockbuster cholesterol drug Lipitor from entering the market. This was done to protect billions in profits while making sure patients did not have access to more affordable cholesterol drugs. Pfizer sells nearly $10 billion worth of Lipitor each year.

According to the Reuters report on this lawsuit, Pfizer is being accused of (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/05/us-pfizer-walgreen-lipitor-…):

• Obtaining a fraudulent patent
• Engaging in sham litigation
• Entering a price-fixing agreement to delay cheaper generics
• Entering arrangements with pharmacy benefit managers to force retailers to buy more Lipitor (chemical name is atorvastatin calcium)

No arrests or prosecution of Big Pharma executives

One of the most astonishing realizations in all this is that given all the criminal fraud, bribery, misrepresentation, lying to the FDA, price fixing and other crimes that are going on in the pharmaceutical industry, you’d think somebody somewhere might be arrested and charged with a crime, right?

Nope.

To date, not a single pharmaceutical CEO, marketing employee or drug rep has been charged with anything related to all this fraud. In America, drug company employees are “above the law” just like top mafia bosses of a bygone era.

How insane is this, exactly? Consider this:

Imagine if YOU, an individual, went around town bribing doctors, falsifying data, selling a fraudulent product to the government, lying to regulators, engaging in anti-trade price-fixing and threatening your employees into silence. What would happen to you?

You’d probably wind up rotting in prison, the subject of an FBI investigation and a DoJ prosecution.

So why is it okay for a multi-billion-dollar corporation to carry out these same crimes and get away with it? Why are the CEOs of top drug companies given a free pass to commit felony crimes and endless fraud?

I’ll tell you why, and you’re not gonna like the answer: Because America has become a nation run by crooks for the benefit of crooks. It’s one big country club, and as comedian George Carlin used to say, “YOU ain’t in it!”

If Big Pharma would falsify data on vaccines, what else would the industry do?

I hope you’re getting the bigger picture in all this, friends. If these drug companies routinely bribe doctors, falsify data, defraud the government and commit felony crimes without remorse, what else would they be willing to do for profit?

Would they:

• Falsify efficacy data on other prescription drugs?
• Exploit children for deadly vaccine trials?
• Invent fictitious diseases to sell more drugs?
• Unleash bioweapons to cause a profitable pandemic?
• Conspire with the CDC to spread fear to promote vaccinations?
• Silence whistleblowers who try to go public with the truth?
• Give people cancer via stealth viruses in vaccines?
• Destroy the careers of medical scientists who question Big Pharma?
• Force a medical monopoly on the entire U.S. population via socialist health care legislation?

But of course they would. In fact, the industry is doing all those things right now. And if you don’t believe me, just remember that five years ago, no one believed me when I said drug companies were engaged in criminal conspiracies to defraud the nation — something that has now been proven over a nine-year investigation.


hyperlinks in article here:
http://www.infowars.com/big-pharma-criminality-no-longer-a-conspiracy-theory-bribery-fraud-price-fixing-now-a-matter-of-public-record/

originally here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html

[donnay]

This is a wake call! Ding! Ding! +rep

[kathy88]

Reading stuff like this takes all the wind from my sails for a couple days and I get a big bad case of the fuckits. IF they defrauded medicare and medicaid of billions WHY is there fine only 3 billion? Make them pay back every fucking penny they took and force them into bankruptcy. THIS is how free market economics works, you stupid twats.

[Working Poor]

I wish "naturalnews" was considered a credible news source by the brain dead...

[angelatc]

I wish "naturalnews" was considered a credible news source by the brain dead...

There's a reason that it's not.

[donnay]

I wish "naturalnews" was considered a credible news source by the brain dead...

Right. It's sad most of what is reported is in plain view to back them up. Big pHARMa is always given a pass, when they do wrong. Vioxx, Baycol, Actos, Gardasil and a whole host of bad medicine. Not to mention the cancer virus they had in polio vaccines in the 50 and 60's.

[donnay]

There's a reason that it's not.

Do tell?

[WhistlinDave]

In addition to all of this, the pharmaceutical industry has managed to completely hijack the medical model of mental illness and turn it into a false paradigm that's 100% based on brain chemistry, with drugs as the default treatment for everything. This bogus model of mental illness treats practically any and all normal human emotions and normal responses to life situations as a disorder of some kind that can be treated for the rest of your life with drugs.

They are coming up with new labels and disorders for every piece of normal human behavior and emotion. If a loved one just died, and you go to a psychologist or psychiatrist to help deal with the grief, chances are you'll be diagnosed with depression and given a pill. If you're happy sometimes, and sad sometimes, you must have bipolar manic depression. If your boss acts unethically and asks you to do something that you refuse to do, and your psyche doc finds out, he'll say you must have oppositional defiance disorder.

The worst part is, they're targeting kids younger and younger all the time. In some public schools they've begun testing teenagers with screening exams without parents' consent. Ron Paul actually introduced a bill to stop this; I will admit I don't know the current status of it but thought you all would find this interesting.

http://www.cchrint.org/2011/08/22/ron-paul-reintroduces-the-parental-consent-act-2011-prohibits-federal-funding-for-psychiatric-%E2%80%98screening%E2%80%99-of-kids/

My wife was driven to suicidal thoughts when her doc put her on Prozac because she started having panic attacks out of the blue one day. These drugs will mess with your brain chemistry and if you don't need them (which is the case more often than not these days), they can make you so crazy you want to kill yourself. And many people do.

Prozac and many of these psyche drugs are SSRIs, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, which slows down the natural re-absorption of serotonin back into the brain. It's given to people when a doctor suspects that a deficiency in serotonin is causing the negative emotions. BUT THERE ISN'T ANY TEST FOR SEROTONIN LEVELS IN THE BRAIN!! It doesn't exist. So these drugs are prescribed to millions of people, including kids, without even knowing if they are needed. And if they aren't needed, then guess what? Now your serotonin levels go way up, and make you imbalanced when you weren't before. (i.e. They make you bat shit crazy.)

After a couple months of being a completely different person and wanting to kill herself, my wife went off the meds and we started researching panic attacks, and she eventually cured her condition with cognitive behavioral therapy and a program we bought online called "Panic Away" that uses only thought and behavior techniques, no drugs, and today is 99% back to normal. She hasn't had a panic attack in years. She was lucky though. A lot of teenagers kill themselves while on these drugs.

If you want to cry your eyeballs out sometime, watch
http://www.cchr.org/videos/dead-wrong.html


This site is really good and has tons of information for anyone dealing with problems from psyche drugs. They have tons of really good videos that are great if you need to try to convince someone that their doctor may not know what's best for them or their kid(s). Ever since our ordeal a few years back, my wife and I share videos from this site every time we run across someone talking about being prescribed psyche drugs.

http://www.cchr.org/

Also, I want to say, I don't doubt that some people really do need these drugs and benefit from them. Unfortunately, I think those people comprise a very small fraction of the multitudes who are prescribed these drugs.

[Working Poor]

So is the FDA claiming to be an innocent bystander in all of this? How did the get away with so called lying to the FDA exact;y?

[thequietkid10]

In addition to all of this, the pharmaceutical industry has managed to completely hijack the medical model of mental illness and turn it into a false paradigm that's 100% based on brain chemistry, with drugs as the default treatment for everything. This bogus model of mental illness treats practically any and all normal human emotions and normal responses to life situations as a disorder of some kind that can be treated for the rest of your life with drugs. They are coming up with new labels and disorders for every piece of normal human behavior and emotion. If a loved one just died, and you go to a psychologist or psychiatrist to help deal with the grief, chances are you'll be diagnosed with depression and given a pill. If you're happy sometimes, and sad sometimes, you must have bipolar manic depression. If your boss acts unethically and asks you to do something that you refuse to do, and your psyche doc finds out, he'll say you must have oppositional defiance disorder.

The worst part is, they're targeting kids younger and younger all the time. In some public schools they've begun testing teenagers with screening exams without parents' consent. Ron Paul actually introduced a bill to stop this; I will admit I don't know the current status of it but thought you all would find this interesting.

http://www.cchrint.org/2011/08/22/ron-paul-reintroduces-the-parental-consent-act-2011-prohibits-federal-funding-for-psychiatric-%E2%80%98screening%E2%80%99-of-kids/

My wife was driven to suicidal thoughts when her doc put her on Prozac because she started having panic attacks out of the blue one day. These drugs will mess with your brain chemistry and if you don't need them (which is the case more often than not these days), they can make you so crazy you want to kill yourself. And many people do.

Prozac and many of these psyche drugs are SSRIs, Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors, which slows down the natural re-absorption of seratonin back into the brain. It's given to people when a doctor suspects that a deficiency in seratonin is causing the negative emotions. BUT THERE ISN'T ANY TEST FOR SERATONIN LEVELS IN THE BRAIN!! It doesn't exist. So these drugs are prescribed to millions of people, including kids, without even knowing if they are needed. And if they aren't needed, then guess what? Now your seratonin levels go way up, and make you imbalanced when you weren't before. (i.e. They make you bat shit crazy.)

After a couple months of being a completely different person and wanting to kill herself, my wife went off the meds and we started researching panic attacks, and she eventually cured her condition with cognitive behavioral therapy and a program we bought online called "Panic Away" that uses only thought and behavior techniques, no drugs, and today is 99% back to normal. She hasn't had a panic attack in years. She was lucky though. A lot of teenagers kill themselves while on these drugs.

If you want to cry your eyeballs out sometime, watch
http://www.cchr.org/videos/dead-wrong.html


This site is really good and has tons of information for anyone dealing with problems from psyche drugs. They have tons of really good videos that are great if you need to try to convince someone that their doctor may not know what's best for them or their kid(s). Ever since our ordeal a few years back, my wife and I share videos from this site every time we run across someone talking about being prescribed psyche drugs.

http://www.cchr.org/

Also, I want to say, I don't doubt that some people really do need these drugs and benefit from them. Unfortunately, I think those people comprise a very small fraction of the multitudes who are prescribed these drugs.

I feel like this is the Wal Mart conversation all over again. It's not Big Pharma's job to keep you healthy. It's not even Big Pharma's job to properly educate you. It's your job. Big Pharma job is to sell pills because people want to buy pills. Nobody made your wife take prozac. But it is easier to take a pill then it is to adopt behavior modification.

[donnay]

I feel like this is the Wal Mart conversation all over again. It's not Big Pharma's job to keep you healthy. It's not even Big Pharma's job to properly educate you. It's your job. Big Pharma job is to sell pills because people want to buy pills. Nobody made your wife take prozac. But it is easier to take a pill then it is to adopt behavior modification.

That's right it is not Big pHARMa's job to keep you healthy. And, you are right, again, it is not Big pHARMa's job to keep you educated. HOWEVER, when Big pHARMa pays doctor to push their drugs, and you cannot find real independent studies/research that will help educate you about the drug that your doctor is pushing, I say we have a BIG problem--Houston!

[PaulConventionWV]

I feel like this is the Wal Mart conversation all over again. It's not Big Pharma's job to keep you healthy. It's not even Big Pharma's job to properly educate you. It's your job. Big Pharma job is to sell pills because people want to buy pills. Nobody made your wife take prozac. But it is easier to take a pill then it is to adopt behavior modification.

You're assuming it's a legitimate business without government assistance. All other forms of medicine are suppressed so that drugs can be pushed on us. There's now way prozac or any of these drugs would thrive like they do in a free market.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I feel like this is the Wal Mart conversation all over again. It's not Big Pharma's job to keep you healthy. It's not even Big Pharma's job to properly educate you. It's your job. Big Pharma job is to sell pills because people want to buy pills. Nobody made your wife take prozac. But it is easier to take a pill then it is to adopt behavior modification.

Let them sell them in a free market then, where they are subject to criminal prosecution for wrong doing and pay restitution to those they hurt instead of "fines" to people who are just collecting more money. Seriously, what a bullshit racket.

[coastie]

In addition to all of this, the pharmaceutical industry has managed to completely hijack the medical model of mental illness and turn it into a false paradigm that's 100% based on brain chemistry, with drugs as the default treatment for everything. This bogus model of mental illness treats practically any and all normal human emotions and normal responses to life situations as a disorder of some kind that can be treated for the rest of your life with drugs. They are coming up with new labels and disorders for every piece of normal human behavior and emotion. If a loved one just died, and you go to a psychologist or psychiatrist to help deal with the grief, chances are you'll be diagnosed with depression and given a pill. If you're happy sometimes, and sad sometimes, you must have bipolar manic depression. If your boss acts unethically and asks you to do something that you refuse to do, and your psyche doc finds out, he'll say you must have oppositional defiance disorder.

The worst part is, they're targeting kids younger and younger all the time. In some public schools they've begun testing teenagers with screening exams without parents' consent. Ron Paul actually introduced a bill to stop this; I will admit I don't know the current status of it but thought you all would find this interesting.

http://www.cchrint.org/2011/08/22/ron-paul-reintroduces-the-parental-consent-act-2011-prohibits-federal-funding-for-psychiatric-%E2%80%98screening%E2%80%99-of-kids/

My wife was driven to suicidal thoughts when her doc put her on Prozac because she started having panic attacks out of the blue one day. These drugs will mess with your brain chemistry and if you don't need them (which is the case more often than not these days), they can make you so crazy you want to kill yourself. And many people do.

Prozac and many of these psyche drugs are SSRIs, Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors, which slows down the natural re-absorption of seratonin back into the brain. It's given to people when a doctor suspects that a deficiency in seratonin is causing the negative emotions. BUT THERE ISN'T ANY TEST FOR SERATONIN LEVELS IN THE BRAIN!! It doesn't exist. So these drugs are prescribed to millions of people, including kids, without even knowing if they are needed. And if they aren't needed, then guess what? Now your seratonin levels go way up, and make you imbalanced when you weren't before. (i.e. They make you bat shit crazy.)

After a couple months of being a completely different person and wanting to kill herself, my wife went off the meds and we started researching panic attacks, and she eventually cured her condition with cognitive behavioral therapy and a program we bought online called "Panic Away" that uses only thought and behavior techniques, no drugs, and today is 99% back to normal. She hasn't had a panic attack in years. She was lucky though. A lot of teenagers kill themselves while on these drugs.

If you want to cry your eyeballs out sometime, watch
http://www.cchr.org/videos/dead-wrong.html


This site is really good and has tons of information for anyone dealing with problems from psyche drugs. They have tons of really good videos that are great if you need to try to convince someone that their doctor may not know what's best for them or their kid(s). Ever since our ordeal a few years back, my wife and I share videos from this site every time we run across someone talking about being prescribed psyche drugs.

http://www.cchr.org/

Also, I want to say, I don't doubt that some people really do need these drugs and benefit from them. Unfortunately, I think those people comprise a very small fraction of the multitudes who are prescribed these drugs.


My wife, also, was driven to suicidal tendencies, among the other MYRIAD of side effects to hit her while prescribed Effexor ER, Keppra, Zoloft, Lamictal XR, Xanax, Wellbutrin XR and a partridge in a fucking pear tree over a 3 year NIGHTMARE period for a MINOR seizure disorder and "depression", that was, in fact, one of the listed side effects for the OTHER medication they had her on...The solution? MORE MEDS, of course! "You'll like this one, it helps treat the "depression"(the FUCKING CRAZIES, is what I called it:eek:), and the woman lose weight, too!" in broken English, says the Dr., whose Arabic and says it with a big, shit-eating grin on his face that got me my SECOND assault charge (neither charge , 2 different Dr's, ever even made it to arrest or court), as my wife lay unconscious in the hospital after having had NUMEROUS, near fatal gran-Mal seizures the entire night before because she had 2 glasses of wine the night before that. I'll just say this-he'll NEVER say that to someone again.;) Since the liver only processes alcohol when drinking -and not medication- that little disturbance in her medication level nearly killed her 24 hours later.

The seizures were so bad, an IV push of Ativan wasn't stopping them there for a while(for those not in the know of this condition-that's a big deal, this med usually stops them immediately)...this was all caused by the MEDS she was taking-not any seizure disorder she had.

After all this happened and my marriage was on the rocks from all of the other fun, marriage destroying side effects, I hit the interwebs and started a googlin...found a site that lists all monies taken by your Dr. from big PHARMA. It's still up somewhere, I'm sure, but I'm too buzzed to look for it now.:p Finding the info I did ENRAGED me, because it was confirmation that ALL of her Dr's were on the take from Big Pharma-some for over $250k/per year!:eek::mad: This amount on that website doesn't include the kickbacks they receive for prescribing the drugs.


2 yrs now WITHOUT a single fucking pill and the wife now RARELY has minimal peti mal seizures, and even more importantly-my children have their mother back and I have my wife back. All of their poison is poison, and turns loved ones into people no one knows in an instant, not to mention all of the other side effects, such as near-fatal gran-Mal seizures.

Since off the meds, she's had LESS seizures in a YEAR, than she would have in one HOUR, at times, while on the medication.:toady:

[donnay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TwdsYVHjGA&feature=player_embedded#!

[WhistlinDave]

I feel like this is the Wal Mart conversation all over again. It's not Big Pharma's job to keep you healthy. It's not even Big Pharma's job to properly educate you. It's your job. Big Pharma job is to sell pills because people want to buy pills. Nobody made your wife take prozac. But it is easier to take a pill then it is to adopt behavior modification.

This is very different from the Wal Mart conversation. Nobody makes you go to Wal Mart. Doctors, on the other hand, are the trusted authorities we go to when something isn't right. We trust they know what they're doing. We trust they know more than we do. We trust they aren't being lazy. We don't go to them because we're out of milk or need a new video game, we go to them because we need expert advice and help with medical issues!!

Unless you have some compelling reason not to, if your doctor tells you to take a medicine because it will help you with your problem, then most people take it.

The Wal Mart conversation is not a good comparison at all.

Now, at the same time, you're right - people DON'T have to take medicine just because their doctor told them to. Unfortunately, most people don't really know this! If the doctor prescribed it, well, I'd better take it. Most people don't even see it as a choice.

We were lucky because my wife is a former nurse, so she knows doctors are not near-omniscient, and they do make mistakes, and she knows Western medicine often involves a lot of guesswork and trial and error. So when her symptoms went from bad to hellish, we were smart enough to push back when the doc wanted to increase the dosage. We said, Hell No!

Unfortunately most people out there do NOT have much freedom of choice in this matter because they don't have enough knowledge to question what their doctor prescribes them. They just take it. And when it isn't working, if he tries some other medication or says to up the dosage, they just go right along with it. Because the doctor is the expert.

Only when enough people wake up to the bigger picture of what's going on here will we be able to change this.

[WhistlinDave]

The other issue here is, neither the doctor nor the drug company wants you cured. The pill isn't just easier for both them and the patient, it's also a tool in their goal, which is to have you as a customer for life. They do NOT want you cured because they will make far less money off you in the long run, both doctor and drug company.

This is part of the insidious nature of this pharma-psychological industry that has the medical profession so complicit. They want you as a lifetime customer.

[AME3]

I agree...
There's a reason that it's not.http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2012/01/illunination-sheds-light-on-natural.html#!/2012/01/illunination-sheds-light-on-natural.html

[donnay]

I agree...

Okay, I am all eyes...why?

[tod evans]

Lots of wisdom here..

Each of us are wholly responsible for our selves, doctors, shaman, priests are people we consult with and pay for learned advice from but in the end they are people, and people are fallible.

[edit] sorry dude outta rep.


This is very different from the Wal Mart conversation. Nobody makes you go to Wal Mart. Doctors, on the other hand, are the trusted authorities we go to when something isn't right. We trust they know what they're doing. We trust they know more than we do. We trust they aren't being lazy. We don't go to them because we're out of milk or need a new video game, we go to them because we need expert advice and help with medical issues!!

Unless you have some compelling reason not to, if your doctor tells you to take a medicine because it will help you with your problem, then most people take it.

The Wal Mart conversation is not a good comparison at all.

Now, at the same time, you're right - people DON'T have to take medicine just because their doctor told them to. Unfortunately, most people don't really know this! If the doctor prescribed it, well, I'd better take it. Most people don't even see it as a choice.

We were lucky because my wife is a former nurse, so she knows doctors are not near-omniscient, and they do make mistakes, and she knows Western medicine often involves a lot of guesswork and trial and error. So when her symptoms went from bad to hellish, we were smart enough to push back when the doc wanted to increase the dosage. We said, Hell No!

Unfortunately most people out there do NOT have much freedom of choice in this matter because they don't have enough knowledge to question what their doctor prescribes them. They just take it. And when it isn't working, if he tries some other medication or says to up the dosage, they just go right along with it. Because the doctor is the expert.

Only when enough people wake up to the bigger picture of what's going on here will we be able to change this.

[tod evans]

whoops......

[WhistlinDave]

LOL Thanks man, and that's alright, that happens to me sometimes, "you gotta spread it around first." I think it just means you can't give the same person rep twice in a row. But I haven't tested that hypothesis.

[WhistlinDave]

My wife, also, was driven to suicidal tendencies, among the other MYRIAD of side effects to hit her while prescribed Effexor ER, Keppra, Zoloft, Lamictal XR, Xanax, Wellbutrin XR and a partridge in a fucking pear tree over a 3 year NIGHTMARE period for a MINOR seizure disorder and "depression", that was, in fact, one of the listed side effects for the OTHER medication they had her on...The solution? MORE MEDS, of course! "You'll like this one, it helps treat the "depression"(the FUCKING CRAZIES, is what I called it:eek:), and the woman lose weight, too!" in broken English, says the Dr., whose Arabic and says it with a big, shit-eating grin on his face that got me my SECOND assault charge (neither charge , 2 different Dr's, ever even made it to arrest or court), as my wife lay unconscious in the hospital after having had NUMEROUS, near fatal gran-Mal seizures the entire night before because she had 2 glasses of wine the night before that. I'll just say this-he'll NEVER say that to someone again.;) Since the liver only processes alcohol when drinking -and not medication- that little disturbance in her medication level nearly killed her 24 hours later.

The seizures were so bad, an IV push of Ativan wasn't stopping them there for a while(for those not in the know of this condition-that's a big deal, this med usually stops them immediately)...this was all caused by the MEDS she was taking-not any seizure disorder she had.

After all this happened and my marriage was on the rocks from all of the other fun, marriage destroying side effects, I hit the interwebs and started a googlin...found a site that lists all monies taken by your Dr. from big PHARMA. It's still up somewhere, I'm sure, but I'm too buzzed to look for it now.:p Finding the info I did ENRAGED me, because it was confirmation that ALL of her Dr's were on the take from Big Pharma-some for over $250k/per year!:eek::mad: This amount on that website doesn't include the kickbacks they receive for prescribing the drugs.


2 yrs now WITHOUT a single fucking pill and the wife now RARELY has minimal peti mal seizures, and even more importantly-my children have their mother back and I have my wife back. All of their poison is poison, and turns loved ones into people no one knows in an instant, not to mention all of the other side effects, such as near-fatal gran-Mal seizures.

Since off the meds, she's had LESS seizures in a YEAR, than she would have in one HOUR, at times, while on the medication.:toady:

+Rep, for multiple reasons... Glad you guys are doing well!!

[AME3]

Okay, I am all eyes...why?
http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2012/01/illunination-sheds-light-on-natural.html#!/2012/01/illunination-sheds-light-on-natural.html

[AME3]

http://monsantoblog.com/2012/02/09/another-incorrect-report-from-natural-news/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/12/does-natural-news-do-cover-ups/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

[Working Poor]

This is very different from the Wal Mart conversation. Nobody makes you go to Wal Mart. Doctors, on the other hand, are the trusted authorities we go to when something isn't right. We trust they know what they're doing. We trust they know more than we do. We trust they aren't being lazy. We don't go to them because we're out of milk or need a new video game, we go to them because we need expert advice and help with medical issues!!

Nobody makes you go to doctors either. How they gained such high place in peoples lives I will never know. .I have worked with a lot of doctors believe me they are stupid. Some of them do think they know every thing but believe me they don't. Personally, I think many of them are some kind of big pharmabots they almost don't seem real. It is almost like they are not human. I can diagnose illness better than they can. Just by looking at a person. I have worked, hung out with and, been trained by shamans, witch doctors, prayer warriors, energy healers, acupuncturist naturapaths, osteopaths, and a lot of MDs.

How people trust MDs or anything to do with insurance,or pharmaceutical drugs. The disease treatment from these folks is horrible. I will never know how ya'll could ever put your lives in their hands like so many do..

[donnay]

http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2012/01/illunination-sheds-light-on-natural.html#!/2012/01/illunination-sheds-light-on-natural.html

This line in that uniquely idiotic article says: "Ultimately the problem is that they spend a lot of time attacking a safe, proven and ubiquitous technology that presents no independently reproducible evidence of harm." The Food Safety Czar (under the Obama Admins) is Michael Taylor (former attorney for Monsanto and later to become CEO for Monsanto), of course there would be no conflicts of interest in providing REAL scientific proof, right?

Here's some independent studies done with the GMO, GM, GE. You know that "ubiquitous technology" that is considered safe. After all one of the biggest companies (Monsanto) gave us agent orange (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto%2C_Agent_Orange_and_Dioxi ns#Dioxins)--and for years we were told how safe that was, even with hundreds of Vietnam vets coming home to die agonizing slow deaths from it. Side issue (FYI): I would NEVER use Lysol products either. It contains phenols and dioxin (Agent Orange) ingredient used to manufacture agent orange.

Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html)

Doctors Warn: Avoid Genetically Modified Food (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/health-risks/articles-about-risks-by-jeffrey-smith/Doctors-Warn-Avoid-Genetically-Modified-Food-May-2009)

Open Letter to TJ Higgins (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/health-risks/articles-about-risks-by-jeffrey-smith/Open-Letter-to-TJ-Higgins-December-2005)

A Deadly Epidemic and the Attempt to Hide its Link to Genetic Engineering (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/health-risks/articles-about-risks-by-jeffrey-smith/A-Deadly-Epidemic-and-the-Attempt-to-Hide-its-Link-to-Genetic-Engineering-August-2005)

Study Proves Three Monsanto Corn Varieties' Noxiousness to the Organism (http://archive.truthout.org/1215091)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVeS1yIA7x0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPowmdwUWp4&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZDil3wTGE&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6gd4yhCCE&feature=relmfu

[tod evans]

How people trust MDs or anything to do with insurance,or pharmaceutical drugs. The disease treatment from these folks is horrible. I will never know how ya'll could ever put your lives in their hands like so many do..

Ya'll doesn't include me. ;)

I worked in a Navy hospital, civilian one part-time... I avoid MD's like the plague, hospitals too..

However if necessary I would absolutely use their services.

Know your own body and seek either "under the table" or natural treatment as often as possible.

[donnay]

Medical Malpractice in Hospitals Kills 100,000 People Each Year
April 6, 2012 by John Ager
(http://www.azmedicalmalpracticeblog.com/2012/04/medical-malpractice-in-hospitals-kills-100000-people-each-year/)
Want to know some sobering statistics about medical malpractice in hospitals, consider the following:

100,000 preventable deaths occur each year in hospitals as a result of medical negligence (source: Institute of Medicine)

86% of harms done to hospital patients go unreported (source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services)

1 in 3 patients admitted to hospitals suffer some sort of preventable harm (source: the journal Health Affairs)

1 in 7 patients suffers serious or long term injury or death during a hospital admission, 44% of which is preventable (source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services)

40 times each week surgeons operate on the wrong body part or the wrong patient – Seriously, 40 times? (source: Joint Commission Center for Transforming Healthcare)

These statistics are not just sobering, they are alarming! Yet, it’s no wonder the public is not up in arms when those that do the harm are permitted to conceal the cause in most cases. As a friend of mine recently pointed out, can you imagine what would happen if four fully loaded 747s crashed in the United States each week? Yet, that is the equivalent of what is happening in our hospitals and, amazingly, the advocates of tort reform continue relentlessly pushing for even less accountability from our health care providers.

To be fair, there are now 13,600 diagnoses, 6,000 drugs and 4,000 procedures in medicine. The complexity of medicine is staggering and, as more medical breakthroughs occur, medicine will only become more complex. But, with such complexity also comes responsibility and the duty to minimize human error. Public reporting of hospital safety statistics, standardized checklists for specific types of care and Medicare incentives are all proven ways to reduce patient harms. However, unless there is more accountability, not less, the incentive to deliver safer health care simply will not exist and medical negligence will continue to adversely affect millions of lives.


__________________________________________


Here are just a few facts that hospitals don't want you to know:

FACT: Hospital complications and errors comprise the 8th leading cause of death in the U.S. (exceeding even motor vehicle accidents, breast cancer and AIDS) . . .

FACT: Hospital-acquired infections account for 100,000 American deaths each year . . .

FACT: Medical complications kill 30,000 more people a year (and cost us over $9.3 billion) . . .

FACT: Medication errors lead to 7,000 deaths annually . .

http://w3.newsmax.com/blaylock/6a.cfm

[tod evans]

[edit]
Posted for comparing numbers.

[2nd edit]
This chart represents deaths from various "drugs" in order to compare against the hospital death statistics.




http://neurobonkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/All-drug-deaths-2010.jpg

[Dr.3D]

Nobody makes you go to doctors either. How they gained such high place in peoples lives I will never know. .I have worked with a lot of doctors believe me they are stupid. Some of them do think they know every thing but believe me they don't. Personally, I think many of them are some kind of big pharmabots they almost don't seem real. It is almost like they are not human. I can diagnose illness better than they can. Just by looking at a person. I have worked, hung out with and, been trained by shamans, witch doctors, prayer warriors, energy healers, acupuncturist naturapaths, osteopaths, and a lot of MDs.

How people trust MDs or anything to do with insurance,or pharmaceutical drugs. The disease treatment from these folks is horrible. I will never know how ya'll could ever put your lives in their hands like so many do..

The medicine man has been held in high esteem for thousands of years. I can't see how things would be different now.

[donnay]

http://monsantoblog.com/2012/02/09/another-incorrect-report-from-natural-news/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/12/does-natural-news-do-cover-ups/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Monsanto Employees Don’t Eat GMOs

Eat it up Monsanto!

Caroline Jacobsson
Greenpeace (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/eat-it-up-monsanto/blog/39002/)
February 11, 2012

COMMENT: Monsanto staff won’t eat it, but the general public is subjected to GMOs without informed consent via labeling, or warnings about tests that demonstrate danger of organ failure (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/12/monsantos-gmo-corn-linked_n_420365.html), sterility (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html) and cancer (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/health/2011/10/23/1304.html).

There’s a story doing the rounds again (http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/pclow/gm_foods_not_served_in_monsanto_cafeteria_if_its/), about how Monsanto, one of the world’s largest profiteers of genetically engineered (GE) food, banned GE food from its own corporate canteens!

Monsanto had its pants pulled down by Friends of the Earth in 1999, who revealed that the company was refusing to serve to its own staff the very same GE food that it incessantly foists upon impoverished nations on the premise that it will save populations from starvation. Although it has never been proved, Monsanto constantly claims that GE food is harmless – so why wasn’t it serving it in its own office?

In one canteen, run by external provider, Sutcliffe Catering, a notice read that a decision has been taken to remove (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/gm-food-banned-in-monsanto-canteen-737948.html), as far as practicable, GE soya and maize from all food products served in the canteen. “We have taken the above steps to ensure that you, the customer, can feel confident in the food we serve”, the provider said.

“We believe in choice”, said Monsanto (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/gm-food-banned-in-monsanto-canteen-737948.html), while the company actually made sure that by not serving GE food in its canteens they did not give staff the opportunity to ‘choose’ whether or not to eat GE food as they de facto ensure that the staff did not get to eat GE food. Yet the same choice isn’t available to farmers around the world, who most of the time have no choice but to plant GE crops, thanks to a seed market that is often dominated by Monsanto.

[John F Kennedy III]

http://monsantoblog.com/2012/02/09/another-incorrect-report-from-natural-news/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/12/does-natural-news-do-cover-ups/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

LOL!

[John F Kennedy III]

This line in that uniquely idiotic article says: "Ultimately the problem is that they spend a lot of time attacking a safe, proven and ubiquitous technology that presents no independently reproducible evidence of harm." The Food Safety Czar (under the Obama Admins) is Michael Taylor (former attorney for Monsanto and later to become CEO for Monsanto), of course there would be no conflicts of interest in providing REAL scientific proof, right?

Here's some independent studies done with the GMO, GM, GE. You know that "ubiquitous technology" that is considered safe. After all one of the biggest companies (Monsanto) gave us agent orange (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto%2C_Agent_Orange_and_Dioxi ns#Dioxins)--and for years we were told how safe that was, even with hundreds of Vietnam vets coming home to die agonizing slow deaths from it. Side issue (FYI): I would NEVER use Lysol products either. It contains phenols and dioxin (Agent Orange) ingredient used to manufacture agent orange.

Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html)

Doctors Warn: Avoid Genetically Modified Food (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/health-risks/articles-about-risks-by-jeffrey-smith/Doctors-Warn-Avoid-Genetically-Modified-Food-May-2009)

Open Letter to TJ Higgins (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/health-risks/articles-about-risks-by-jeffrey-smith/Open-Letter-to-TJ-Higgins-December-2005)

A Deadly Epidemic and the Attempt to Hide its Link to Genetic Engineering (http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/health-risks/articles-about-risks-by-jeffrey-smith/A-Deadly-Epidemic-and-the-Attempt-to-Hide-its-Link-to-Genetic-Engineering-August-2005)

Study Proves Three Monsanto Corn Varieties' Noxiousness to the Organism (http://archive.truthout.org/1215091)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVeS1yIA7x0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPowmdwUWp4&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZDil3wTGE&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6gd4yhCCE&feature=relmfu


Because you need to see that twice ^^^^^

[Working Poor]

100,000 preventable deaths occur each year in hospitals as a result of medical negligence (source: Institute of Medicine)

But how many had health insurance? :/

[WhistlinDave]

Nobody makes you go to doctors either. How they gained such high place in peoples lives I will never know. .I have worked with a lot of doctors believe me they are stupid. Some of them do think they know every thing but believe me they don't. Personally, I think many of them are some kind of big pharmabots they almost don't seem real. It is almost like they are not human. I can diagnose illness better than they can. Just by looking at a person. I have worked, hung out with and, been trained by shamans, witch doctors, prayer warriors, energy healers, acupuncturist naturapaths, osteopaths, and a lot of MDs.

How people trust MDs or anything to do with insurance,or pharmaceutical drugs. The disease treatment from these folks is horrible. I will never know how ya'll could ever put your lives in their hands like so many do..


Until you know better, that's what you do. Most people (myself included, a few years ago) simply don't know any better.

I do think there is a place for Western medicine, but much of it has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. And when it comes to the psyche drugs I think the whole thing is downright screwy. I definitely do not look at doctors the same way today as I did years ago.

[PaulConventionWV]

[edit]
Posted for comparing numbers.




http://neurobonkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/All-drug-deaths-2010.jpg

Care to explain what that is an illustration of?

[tttppp]

Nobody makes you go to doctors either. How they gained such high place in peoples lives I will never know. .I have worked with a lot of doctors believe me they are stupid. Some of them do think they know every thing but believe me they don't. Personally, I think many of them are some kind of big pharmabots they almost don't seem real. It is almost like they are not human. I can diagnose illness better than they can. Just by looking at a person. I have worked, hung out with and, been trained by shamans, witch doctors, prayer warriors, energy healers, acupuncturist naturapaths, osteopaths, and a lot of MDs.

How people trust MDs or anything to do with insurance,or pharmaceutical drugs. The disease treatment from these folks is horrible. I will never know how ya'll could ever put your lives in their hands like so many do..

There are some acupuncturists who can diagnose and cure patients very well. However you are right about being able to diagnose patients better than doctors. I've said for the longest time that I could diagnose patients better than doctors. They are complete idiots. If they don't have a test that finds something, they have no clue whats going on with your body. And even if they actually do diagnose you correctly, they have no treatments that can actually cure you.

[PaulConventionWV]

There are some acupuncturists who can diagnose and cure patients very well. However you are right about being able to diagnose patients better than doctors. I've said for the longest time that I could diagnose patients better than doctors. They are complete idiots. If they don't have a test that finds something, they have no clue whats going on with your body. And even if they actually do diagnose you correctly, they have no treatments that can actually cure you.

That's how they were taught. They were taught to follow protocol, do the tests, keep with the "proven" and "acceptable" methods. When their tests fail them, they have absolutely no knowledge of the human body that could actually help them figure it out, you know, with their brain. They aren't taught to know about humans. They are taught to know about tests and accepted methods for "diagnosing" them with diseases that match certain drugs and then they prescribe those drugs. Doctors who prescribe drugs for side effects of other drugs get bonus points.

[tod evans]

Care to explain what that is an illustration of?

A simple comparison of deaths from various "drugs" to compare to the hospital/Dr. related death statistics Donnay posted.

[tttppp]

That's how they were taught. They were taught to follow protocol, do the tests, keep with the "proven" and "acceptable" methods. When their tests fail them, they have absolutely no knowledge of the human body that could actually help them figure it out, you know, with their brain. They aren't taught to know about humans. They are taught to know about tests and accepted methods for "diagnosing" them with diseases that match certain drugs and then they prescribe those drugs. Doctors who prescribe drugs for side effects of other drugs get bonus points.

I agree. Its really a problem with the system as a whole, not the individual doctors. Even if you go to the smartest of medical doctors, there are still very few options for you.

In order for a doctor to properly diagnose you, they would have to do thousands of tests and it would cost everyone a fortune. Its just not a system that makes any sense. In Chinese traditional medicine for example, they are able to diagnose you by looking at your tongue, and in only takes a few minutes. There's very little cost associated with it.

[Barrex]

[edit]
Posted for comparing numbers.

[2nd edit]
This chart represents deaths from various "drugs" in order to compare against the hospital death statistics.




http://neurobonkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/All-drug-deaths-2010.jpg
I guess Alcohol is my circle ;)

Do you have higher resolution picture? Me want....

[tod evans]

I guess Alcohol is my circle ;)

Do you have higher resolution picture? Me want....

No, sorry..

[Barrex]

No, sorry..

It is ok...... i hate you

:D

[AME3]

LOL!
Reptilian overlords? Alien founding fathers? Give me a break....geesh.

[PaulConventionWV]

A simple comparison of deaths from various "drugs" to compare to the hospital/Dr. related death statistics Donnay posted.

Cannabis seems a bit far up on the list. It's killed 0 people. Unless all those below it also killed zero people.

Also, holy moly! What the hell is up with tobacco? Are they counting cigarettes? Because cigarettes have a lot more than just tobacco in them.

[showpan]

Since nobody has addressed this, I will. Children ARE forced to visit a doctor before attending school and if that doctor prescribes a drug that you refuse to give them, then they are not allowed to attend. Or...If the school feels that your child has a behavioral problem because some fucked up teacher doesn't know how to teach and they recommend that the student needs to get "help" the student can be expelled for your refusal and in some jurisdictions, the parents can be charged with a criminal offense.
So there are actually examples of forced drug usage.

[tod evans]

Cannabis seems a bit far up on the list. It's killed 0 people. Unless all those below it also killed zero people.

Also, holy moly! What the hell is up with tobacco? Are they counting cigarettes? Because cigarettes have a lot more than just tobacco in them.

Could be they've included cop shootings in the weed category?

I didn't "check" their statistics, I just pulled a chart off the net.

[donnay]

Reptilian overlords? Alien founding fathers? Give me a break....geesh.


I must have missed that. Natural News writes about those things?

[AME3]

David Icke

[AME3]

I think that there is a reasonable amount of evidence to support angelatc's remark is all I was sayin...

[donnay]

David Icke


What does that have to do with Natural News?

[John F Kennedy III]

Reptilian overlords? Alien founding fathers? Give me a break....geesh.

Making shit up? Lol you're terrible at trolling.

[AME3]

Making shit up? Lol you're terrible at trolling.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Mike Adams (Natural News), has stated his admiration and respect for David Icke (former UK Green Party leader and believer in the reptilian overlords and other insane beliefs, IMHO). All you have to do is follow the numerous links and they all lead to the simple conclusion that the credibility of Mr Adams and his many of his allegations is questionable. Unless of course you believe in the insanity that is esprouted.

So you see, I wasn't making anything up in expressing my support of angelatc's comment. I was just responding to the question proposed to regarding my doubts as to the credibility of NaturalNews. I should have followed angelatc in her silence, I guess...

[The Free Hornet]

The medicine man has been held in high esteem for thousands of years. I can't see how things would be different now.

If you go to the medicine man's hut of your own free will, then that esteem is earned. If you go there because it is illegal for you to pick certain leaves in the forest but legal for him, then it is not esteem they earn but contempt. There are some reasons to see how this may change with access to more information (like WebMD or any medical site).

People should be asking, "why can't I buy what they use in England or India or Canada or anywhere?". The medicine man's business is more protected than it has been for thousands of years when considering the FDA, DEA, patents, import restrictions, and the tax/bargaining favored status of employee-provided care.

The present is an abberation. The war on "random substance X that competes with my business" went hot in the 1970s. It started earlier, of course, but now we prosecute precursors, paraphenalia, and "excessive/suspicious" electricity usage. It may not take much more for the medicine man's esteem to fall.

[The Free Hornet]

I guess Alcohol is my circle ;)

Do you have higher resolution picture? Me want....

I believe you want these pages:

http://thewhitedsepulchre.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-see-dead-people-but-not-many-from.html
http://www-958.ibm.com/software/data/cognos/manyeyes/visualizations/c17178e22c2b11e18d4c000255111976/comments/c173f4782c2b11e18d4c000255111976

The 2nd link is flash based but it gives another image (and the data!).

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1492&d=1342138574

It might make sense to show only a portion of 'Tobacco' and 'Alcohol' to make room for the other drugs on a larger scale. Not unlike an astronmy chart:

1493


1492

[Barrex]

Yea. I found that already... after my lazy instinct "ask others to do it for you" calmed down... so you see there is no need for me to thank you :D;)

[PaulConventionWV]

http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Mike Adams (Natural News), has stated his admiration and respect for David Icke (former UK Green Party leader and believer in the reptilian overlords and other insane beliefs, IMHO). All you have to do is follow the numerous links and they all lead to the simple conclusion that the credibility of Mr Adams and his many of his allegations is questionable. Unless of course you believe in the insanity that is esprouted.

So you see, I wasn't making anything up in expressing my support of angelatc remark. I was just responding to the question proposed to me as why I had doubts as to the credibility of NaturalNews. I should have followed angelatc in her silence...And you needn't be an ass about it JFKIII.

I think it's pretty funny that you just made up the word "esprouted".

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I think it's pretty funny that you just made up the word "esprouted".

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http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Mike Adams (Natural News), has stated his admiration and respect for David Icke (former UK Green Party leader and believer in the reptilian overlords and other insane beliefs, IMHO). All you have to do is follow the numerous links and they all lead to the simple conclusion that the credibility of Mr Adams and his many of his allegations is questionable. Unless of course you believe in the insanity that is esprouted.

So you see, I wasn't making anything up in expressing my support of angelatc's comment. I was just responding to the question proposed to regarding my doubts as to the credibility of NaturalNews. I should have followed angelatc in her silence, I guess...


So let me see if I get this straight. You distrust anything Mike Adams and his staff writes because Mike Adams has a high admiration for David Icke?

When I was kid, I loved to watch Jacques Cousteau's underwater adventures. I was fascinated by all of his expeditions and teachings he had on marine life. However, I was vehemently opposed his stance on Eugenics.

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day."
~Jacques Yves Cousteau


My point here is, just because I admired the work of Jacques Cousteau, it does not mean I agreed with everything he did. Sometimes you have to step out of the box and think for yourself. Do your own research and be willing to connect the dots.

The uptick is--there is agenda (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies.html) created by a small group of elitist. They do not care about you or I. In fact they think you and I are a scourge upon this planet and need to be eliminated. Big pHARMa is part of this agenda. Now whether you want to believe that our not, is up to you. Nevertheless, there is a conscious awareness that needs to be made. To pick nits over what someone says, is simply skirting around the REAL issues. Natural News has tried to make people aware of the agenda. Dismissing it out-of-hand because Mike Adams admires the work of David Icke is, IMHO, just plain ignorant.

"Racism is the ultimate ignorance in that it relates 'self' to the body instead of the Consciousness - Awareness - animating and experiencing through the body. It is like judging a man by his spacesuit instead of the person inside it." ~David Icke

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Scientific Fraud Prevalent Among Science-Based Medicines

Dr. Mercola
Mercola.com (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/12/drug-companies-on-scientific-fraud.aspx?e_cid=20120712_DNL_artNew_2)
Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:20 CDT

Curious about the prevalence and extent of scientific misconduct, researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago's Center for Pharmacoeconomic Research investigated the reasons why research studies were retracted, and from wherei.

The highest number of incidents of misconduct occurred in the drug literature, as compared to general biomedical literature. Nearly 75 percent of the retracted drug studies were attributed to scientific misconduct, which includes:

Data falsification or fabrication
Questionable veracity
Unethical author conduct
Plagiarism

This is a significant rise when compared to a 1998 review - cited in the featured NewsWise article - in which 37 percent of scientific retractions between 1966 and 1997 were due to scientific misconduct. Even more shocking: According to data from Thomson Reuters, the numbers of scientific retractions have climbed more than 15-fold since 2001ii!

The most unfortunate thing about this is that these are the types of studies many health care professionals rely on to make treatment recommendations. Large numbers of patients can be affected when false findings are published, as the average lag time between publication of the study and the issuing of a retraction is 39 months. And that's if it's ever caught at all.

Just How Scientific is "Science-Based Medicine" Really?

I am a big believer in the scientific method, provided it's applied appropriately that is. And that's the key issue here. In order to qualify in the first place, the research must be unbiased, unprejudiced and free from any significant conflicts of interest. Sadly, this is not the case with most of modern medicine - especially not when it comes to drug research, as evidenced by the featured findings.

It's quite shocking that nearly three-quarters of all retracted drug studies are due to pure falsification of data. Especially when you consider that even well-researched drugs can still have significant side effects.

Just imagine the potential for tragedy when a drug is based largely on pure fantasy!

Vioxx is perhaps one of the better examples of what can happen when a drug is manufactured and sold under false pretenses. It killed more than 60,000 people in just a few years time, before it was removed from the market. In the case of Vioxx, there are lingering questions about the soundness of the research backing the drug in the first place. Back in 2008, Dr. Joseph S. Ross of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine came across ghostwritten research studies for Vioxx while reviewing documents related to lawsuits filed against Merck.

According to an April 16, 2008 article on MedHeadlinesiii:

"In about 96 journal publications, Ross and his colleagues discovered internal Merck documents and e-mail messages pertaining to clinical study reports and review articles, some of which were developed by the company's marketing department, not its scientific department. In others, there is little evidence that the authors recruited for the report made substantial contribution to the research itself. ... Some of the authors listed in the Merck study reports of concern... question the true nature of ghostwriting. One neurologist originally listed as "External author?" and then listed as Dr. Leon J. Thal, of the University of California, San Diego in the final draft, died a year ago in an airplane crash."

An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)iv that year by Drs. Psaty and Kronmal also questioned whether Merck might have deliberately manipulated dozens of academic documents published in the medical literature, in order to promote Vioxx under false pretenses.

Avandia is another potent example. This diabetes medication hit the market in 1999 and quickly became a blockbuster drug. By 2006 its annual revenue was $3.2 billion. A year later, a damning study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) linked Avandia to a 43 percent increased risk of heart attack and a 64 percent higher risk of cardiovascular death than patients treated with other methods.

Between 1999 and 2007, Avandia is estimated to have caused over 80,000 unnecessary heart attacksv, although the actual numbers of people harmed or killed by the drug is still largely unknown. The most recent analysis by the Cleveland Clinic in 2010vi, which used data from 56 clinical Avandia trials, calculated that for every 37 to 52 patients who take Avandia for five years, one additional heart attack can be expected as a result of the drug. As a result, the authors of this meta-analysis estimate the number of deaths caused by Avandia to be around 48,000, between 1999 and 2009.

This is a steep price, to say the least, for a disease that does not require drugs to begin with. Avandia is a poster child for the lethal paradigm of faux science as GlaxoSmithKline, the manufacturer of Avandia, hid damaging information about the drug for over 10 yearsvii, as it would adversely affect sales!

Again and again we are confronted with indisputable evidence that the drug paradigm is about money, not health, and certainly not dependable scientific inquiry.

Since that 2007 NEJM study, data from various trials, studies and meta-analyses have consistently confirmed the dangers of Avandia, and based on the evidence amassed over the past three years, the European Medicines Agency is now recommending the withdrawal of rosiglitazone-containing diabetic drugs due to the increased risk of ischaemic heart disease. NEJM also hit the nail on its head with the statement that,

"[T]he case of rosiglitazone underscores the need for a robust evidence base to demonstrate the safety of medicines administered long-term."

Unfortunately, a committee of independent experts recommended that Avandia remain on the US market, despite its risks, and an FDA oversight board voted 8 to 7 to accept the advice.

It's important to understand that our current medical system has been masterfully orchestrated by the drug companies to create a system that gives the perception of science when really it is a heavily manipulated process designed to manipulate and deceive you into using expensive and potentially toxic drugs that benefit the drug companies more than it benefits your health. Across the board, drug makers do an excellent job of publicizing the findings they want you to know, while keeping very quiet about the rest.

It's important to realize that all research is NOT published. And it should come as no surprise that drug studies funded by a pharmaceutical company that reaches a negative conclusion will rarely ever see the light of day... What this means is that even if you scour the medical literature to determine what the consensus is on any given medical topic, what you'll find is an overwhelming preponderance of data in favor of the drug approach that in no way, shape or form reflects the reality of the scientific investigation that went into that specific drug.

How Drug Companies Manipulate Research Evidence to Fool You

The pharmaceutical industry as a whole has become the poster-child for fraud, deception, and manipulation of science for profit. Nearly 20 percent of the top 100 Corporate Criminals listed for the 1990s were in fact drug companies!

In an online series called Transparency and Medicine featured on the web site The Conversationviii, Jon Jureidini discusses how science-based medicine is clouded by marketing departments that control and distort information in the medical literature. Jureidini is a professor of psychiatry at the University of Adelaide (Australia), who got an inside look at this murky mess while examining drug company internal documents as an expert witness in a case against a pharmaceutical company. The voluminous amounts of documents he was given access to showed "serious misrepresentation" of both the effectiveness and safety of certain drugs, with published articles making the research appear positive, while negative secondary outcomes were deleted.

When you consider that this is the type of research data that then ends up being used to make treatment decisions for years to come by many expert review panels, is it any wonder the United States has the most expensive health care in the world, while STILL experiencing a decline in life expectancy and other health indexes? The whole idea that modern medicine is science-based has become laughable, as the evidence tells a whole different story...

The Snowball Effect Caused by Fabricated Research

Last year, the Office of Research Integrity at the U.S. Department of Health found that a Boston University cancer scientist had fabricated two of his studiesix. This case is a perfect example of how even a small number of fraudulent studies can wreak havoc with the science-based paradigm. The fabricated work of Sheng Wang, PhD, was published in two journals in 2009, and he's been ordered to retract themx.

But important studies by other scientists, like those at the Mayo Clinic, have in turn based their work on his flights-of-fantasy... As a result of the fall-out, 17 papers published in nine different research journals have been retracted, according to the Mayo Clinic.

Another example is that of Dr. Scott Reuben, a well-respected, prominent anesthesiologist, former chief of acute pain of the Baystate Medical Center, Springfield, Mass. and a former professor at Tufts University's medical school, who in 2009 was found to have fabricated the data for 21 studies! Dr. Reuben succeeded in getting many of them published, and those studies were used to sway the prescribing habits of doctors. It was only due to a routine audit raising a few red flags that a larger investigation was later launched.

Consider the implications of this for a moment.

If one case involving just two falsified studies led to the retraction of 17 others, just imagine how many studies are affected or effectively invalidated by the 742 studies retracted between 2000 and 2010!xi

Unfortunately, despite retractions, fabricated research may still inadvertently live on, as it has been cited by other studies, and once a finding is accepted in the medical community, it's difficult to reverse it. What's worse, according to a 2011 study in the Journal of Medical Ethicsxii, nearly 32 percent of retracted papers were not noted as having been retracted by the journal in question, leaving the readers completely in the dark about the inaccuracies in those studies!

Beyond Fabrication - Flawed Research and Unsupported Conclusions

Peer-reviewed research published in medical journals gets the golden star of approval in the media, yet many of the findings - even if they're not outright fabrications - can, and frequently are, incredibly misleading. One of the best exposé's on this topic came from Dr. Marcia Angell, the former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) who wrote the book The Truth about Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It. According to Angell:

"Trials can be rigged in a dozen ways, and it happens all the time."

Also, back in 2005, Dr. Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at Ioannina School of Medicine, Greece, showed that there is less than a 50 percent chance that the results of any randomly chosen scientific paper will be true!xiii According to his study:

"Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true."

He noted problems with the experimental and statistical methods used, including factors such as small sample sizes, poor study design, researcher bias and selective reporting. In 2008, Dr. John Ioannidis again showed that much of scientific research being published is highly questionable...

The system itself is in large part to blame, because journals tend to be more likely to publish studies that show dramatic results, positive results, or results from "hot" competitive fields. For instance, a Cochrane Collaboration review and analysis of published flu vaccine studies found that flu vaccine studies sponsored by industry are treated more favorably by medical journals even when the studies are of poor quality.

It Gets Worse... Nearly 90 Percent of Cancer Studies Cannot be Replicated

As if things couldn't get any worse, disturbing news reported by Reutersxiv earlier this year showed that the vast majority of the "landmark" studies on cancer are unreliable - and a high proportion of those unreliable studies come from respectable university labs. Former drug company researcher Glenn Begley looked at 53 papers in the world's top journals, and found that he and a team of scientists could NOT replicate 47 of the 53 published studies - all of which were considered important and valuable for the future of cancer treatments! The allegations appeared in the March 28 issue of the prestigious journal Naturexv.

"It was shocking," Glenn Begley, now senior vice president of privately held biotechnology company TetraLogic, told Reuters.

"These are the studies the pharmaceutical industry relies on to identify new targets for drug development. But if you're going to place a $1 million or $2 million or $5 million bet on an observation, you need to be sure it's true. As we tried to reproduce these papers we became convinced you can't take anything at face value."

Part of the problem, they said, is that scientists often ignore negative findings in their results that might raise a warning. Instead, they opt for cherry-picking conclusions in an effort to put their research in a favorable light. Begley's experience echoes a report from scientists at Bayer AG last year. Neither group of researchers alleges fraud however; nor would they identify the research they had tried to replicate, Reuters said.

Clearly, if we are to ever move forward, we cannot continue basing treatments on fraudulent and/or inaccurate research... It's important to realize that if a study cannot be successfully and reliably reproduced, it is, quite simply, wrong. In order to be truly science-based, our medical protocols and drug treatments must be based on findings that are replicable.

Sadly, much of today's "science" is financially motivated. According to NBC Newsxvi:

"As Begley and Ellis detail it, "To obtain funding, a job, promotion or tenure, researchers need a strong publication record...Journal editors, reviewers, and grant review committees... often look for a scientific finding that is simple, clear and complete - a 'perfect' story. It is therefore tempting for investigators to submit suspected data sets for publication, or even to massage data." Whatever the motivation, the results are all too often wrong.

Begley and Ellis call for nothing less than a change in the culture of cancer research. They demand more willingness to admit to imperfections and an end to the practice of failing to publish negative results. "We in the field," they say, "must remain focused on the purpose of cancer research: to improve the lives of patients."

How to Get Solid Information in an Era of Confusion and Corruption

Ultimately, the take-home message here is that even if a drug or treatment is "backed by science," this in no way guarantees it is safe or effective. Likewise, if an alternative treatment has not been published in a medical journal, it does not mean it is unsafe or ineffective.

You've got to use all the resources available to you, including your own sense of common sense and reason, true experts' advice and other's experiences, to determine what medical treatment or advice will be best for you in any given situation. I advise you to remain skeptical but open - even if it is something I'm saying, you need to realize that YOU are responsible for your and your family's health, not me, and certainly not drug companies trying to sell their wares and convince you to take dangerous "symptom-cover-ups" disguised as science-based solutions.

Since it is very well established that most prescribed drugs do absolutely nothing to treat the cause of disease, it would be prudent to exercise the precautionary principle when evaluating ANY new drug claim, as it will more than likely be seriously flawed, biased, or worse...

If you're facing a health challenge it is best to identify a qualified natural health consultant - someone who really understands health at a foundational level and has had extensive experience in helping others resolve their health care challenges. Just make sure to see a competent regular physician to make certain any serious disorders like cancer are ruled out as well.

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So let me see if I get this straight. You distrust anything Mike Adams and his staff writes because Mike Adams has a high admiration for David Icke?

When I was kid, I loved to watch Jacques Cousteau's underwater adventures. I was fascinated by all of his expeditions and teachings he had on marine life. However, I was vehemently opposed his stance on Eugenics.

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day."
~Jacques Yves Cousteau


My point here is, just because I admired the work of Jacques Cousteau, it does not mean I agreed with everything he did. Sometimes you have to step out of the box and think for yourself. Do your own research and be willing to connect the dots.

The uptick is--there is agenda (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies.html) created by a small group of elitist. They do not care about you or I. In fact they think you and I are a scourge upon this planet and need to be eliminated. Big pHARMa is part of this agenda. Now whether you want to believe that our not, is up to you. Nevertheless, there is a conscious awareness that needs to be made. To pick nits over what someone says, is simply skirting around the REAL issues. Natural News has tried to make people aware of the agenda. Dismissing it out-of-hand because Mike Adams admires the work of David Icke is, IMHO, just plain ignorant.

"Racism is the ultimate ignorance in that it relates 'self' to the body instead of the Consciousness - Awareness - animating and experiencing through the body. It is like judging a man by his spacesuit instead of the person inside it." ~David Icke

No I don't question everything he says, by no means. in fact I believe in a lot of what he has said. That wasn't the reason I sided with angelatc. But, having survived a career in medicine as well as personally experienced conventional medicine, served in the military during war, I know a lot of what he has alleged to be simply untrue.
No insults intended against you or anyone else. I fought to preserve your rights to believe and publicly proclaim that the moon is made of cream cheese if you so choose. And you, should afford me the same priveledge, don't you think?

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So let me see if I get this straight. You distrust anything Mike Adams and his staff writes because Mike Adams has a high admiration for David Icke?

When I was kid, I loved to watch Jacques Cousteau's underwater adventures. I was fascinated by all of his expeditions and teachings he had on marine life. However, I was vehemently opposed his stance on Eugenics.

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day."
~Jacques Yves Cousteau


My point here is, just because I admired the work of Jacques Cousteau, it does not mean I agreed with everything he did. Sometimes you have to step out of the box and think for yourself. Do your own research and be willing to connect the dots.

The uptick is--there is agenda (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies.html) created by a small group of elitist. They do not care about you or I. In fact they think you and I are a scourge upon this planet and need to be eliminated. Big pHARMa is part of this agenda. Now whether you want to believe that our not, is up to you. Nevertheless, there is a conscious awareness that needs to be made. To pick nits over what someone says, is simply skirting around the REAL issues. Natural News has tried to make people aware of the agenda. Dismissing it out-of-hand because Mike Adams admires the work of David Icke is, IMHO, just plain ignorant.

"Racism is the ultimate ignorance in that it relates 'self' to the body instead of the Consciousness - Awareness - animating and experiencing through the body. It is like judging a man by his spacesuit instead of the person inside it." ~David Icke

I didn't know that Cousteau said that or was so radically inclined. I suppose that the age old belief that insanity often runs with the most intelligent mind is true, in his case anyway...I remember watching his specials and applauded his efforts to save the oceans. I fondly recall his association with John Denver, one of the great enviromentalists and musicians of the time. I never really connected with Cousteau the man personally, because I didn't know him, but his work, I thought was fabulous. And, despite this revelation of a part of him being mad, still do. Nat Geo was a magazine, and the Calypso and its distinguished crew, literally owned the seas.

Anyway, I just don't see everything as one big evil conspiracy. That the drug companies primary objective is not to make money but to destroy us all... But, crazy as it sounds, to me, you might be right.