Why are people on welfare allowed to keep benefits when they continue having kids?

[brandon]

A friend of mine is in this situation and it got me thinking about just how sleazy it is. Unmarried couple. GIrl already has one kid with some guy from the past. She lives a good life working part time at the mall and getting free daycare, foodstamps, paying no taxes, free living, etc. She has no plans to better herself. So she gets knocked up again and is now applying to have all her benefits increased. Of course this includes free gynocologist visits, free hospital birth including c-section....yada yada

It seems that there should be a stipulation. If a single mom is on welfare, and she has an additional kid, her welfare benefits freeze and she does not get more money.

Why doesn't this exist? Who could argue with it?

[angelatc]

Well, I agree in principle. But in reality, I love babies. If I had to pick which welfare programs to end, it wouldn't start with prenatal care for expectant mothers.

But the whole welfare system is propped up by the children. On one hand, should the children (who literally are incapable of providing for themselves) suffer because their mother is a total waste?

I also wonder about the men. What kind of man would rather see his pregnant girlfriend on welfare than figuring out how to man up and handle his own business?

[AuH20]

Like every government scam, the children are used as the bait unfortunately.

[LibertyEagle]

Well, I agree in principle. But in reality, I love babies. If I had to pick which welfare programs to end, it wouldn't start with prenatal care for expectant mothers.

But the whole welfare system is propped up by the children. On one hand, should the children (who literally are incapable of providing for themselves) suffer because their mother is a total waste?
That decision is made by the parent who decides to have a child. It's not the proper role of government to steal my money and redistribute it to others. Even children. It is, however, my choice to donate to such a family directly, or donate to a charity that helps such people.

I realize I am preaching to the choir. :p


I also wonder about the men. What kind of man would rather see his pregnant girlfriend on welfare than figuring out how to man up and handle his own business?
A piece of shit, of course.

[oyarde]

I like children , hate forced , theft , welfare . So , yeah pretty much , let me keep my money and see what I can do .

[angelatc]

I like children , hate forced , theft , welfare . So , yeah pretty much , let me keep my money and see what I can do .

I agree, but a majority of the voters don't. Yet. If we could only learn to demagogue like the Israel lobby does...sigh.

[oyarde]

A friend of mine is in this situation and it got me thinking about just how sleazy it is. Unmarried couple. GIrl already has one kid with some guy from the past. She lives a good life working part time at the mall and getting free daycare, foodstamps, paying no taxes, free living, etc. She has no plans to better herself. So she gets knocked up again and is now applying to have all her benefits increased. Of course this includes free gynocologist visits, free hospital birth including c-section....yada yada

It seems that there should be a stipulation. If a single mom is on welfare, and she has an additional kid, her welfare benefits freeze and she does not get more money.

Why doesn't this exist? Who could argue with it?See if you can get her to buy you a beer out of that mall money, get some of our money back Brandon .

[CaptUSA]

That decision is made by the parent who decides to have a child.
It is my observation that these people don't make decisions. They allow circumstance and immediate desires dictate their movement through life. While I agree this shouldn't be tolerated, we need to slowly remove them from the teat. The reason they can live like this is because the government has conditioned them. In the "real" world, they wouldn't survive.

But like all entitlements, I find it hard to blame the people receiving them and instead focus my attention on those people who would sink the needle into their arms.

[Dr.3D]

It's become a way of life for many. I know of quite a few who, when they need more money, will pump out another baby to get it.

[Brian4Liberty]

More children, more money. Government incentivises people to be on welfare and to have more kids. The programs are also preferential to single moms, thus they incentivise that. The open ended "cash" portion of EBT is "for the kids"...

[specsaregood]

A friend of mine is in this situation and it got me thinking about just how sleazy it is. Unmarried couple. GIrl already has one kid with some guy from the past. She lives a good life working part time at the mall and getting free daycare, foodstamps, paying no taxes, free living, etc. She has no plans to better herself. So she gets knocked up again and is now applying to have all her benefits increased. Of course this includes free gynocologist visits, free hospital birth including c-section....yada yada

It seems that there should be a stipulation. If a single mom is on welfare, and she has an additional kid, her welfare benefits freeze and she does not get more money.

Why doesn't this exist? Who could argue with it?

It gets even better. Over on some mommy/future mommy forums I hear there are plenty of threads where women post about deciding to try to have kids because they and/or husband got laid off/fired and they want to have the kid while it is "free" to them because of govt coverage. That's right, couples are deciding to have kids when they are put in the position where they know they won't have the means to take care of themselves.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Hey, all you closed border zealots, you should be more worried about these Government-creations from hell, where it is generation after generation on the dole...sort of like...a large portion of the black community unfortunately, and we all know how they vote. Less worrying about free exchange, and more worrying about these horrendous social engineering schemes engendered to provide them a voting base to take your property. Capiche?

[CaptUSA]

Hey, all you closed border zealots, you should be more worried about these Government-creations from hell, where it is generation after generation on the dole...sort of like...a large portion of the black community unfortunately, and we all know how they vote. Less worrying about free exchange, and more worrying about these horrendous social engineering schemes engendered to provide them a voting base to take your property. Capiche?The racist Lyndon Johnson would call that a "Great Society"!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The racist Lyndon Johnson would call that a "Great Society"!

To hell with Booker T. so, sayeth the great savior LBJ!

What a bunch of suckers. From one enslavement to the next. :(

[Weston White]

Because it has become a virtual occupation; they are employed by the government to be unconditionally supportive of everything about their government and to love their government, because the government cares about them so very much. Whenever they need a promotion (i.e., benefits of such form of government employment include self-managed promotions), all they need to do is simply procreate.

Honestly, what can one expect from a society with a 25% national high school dropout rate (and up to nearly 50% in certain locales)?

[CaptUSA]

To hell with Booker T. so, sayeth the great savior LBJ!

What a bunch of suckers. From one enslavement to the next. :(Oh you're going to make me do it...

The assumption that spending more of the taxpayers’ money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family—which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions—began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to “help.” - Thomas Sowell

[Keith and stuff]

I also wonder about the men. What kind of man would rather see his pregnant girlfriend on welfare than figuring out how to man up and handle his own business?

The government and welfare cycles have convinced the vast majority of younger people that people on welfare isn't shameful. At the same time, the government tries to decrease liberty constantly. It gets harder and harder to not be on welfare every year so even people who think it is shameful get on welfare because in a way, the government is partly forcing their hand.

[Tod]

If on welfare and you get pregnant, to receive additional benefits after the child's birth, the hoop you jump through is tubal ligation?

[Dr.3D]

If on welfare and you get pregnant, to receive additional benefits after the child's birth, the hoop you jump through is tubal ligation?
Or implanted birth control.

[Brian4Liberty]

Hey, all you closed border zealots, you should be more worried about these Government-creations from hell, where it is generation after generation on the dole...sort of like...a large portion of the black community unfortunately, and we all know how they vote. Less worrying about free exchange, and more worrying about these horrendous social engineering schemes engendered to provide them a voting base to take your property. Capiche?

Nice attempt to derail the thread, capiche?

[Todd]

Or implanted birth control.

Yep. Statism does not equal more freedom. If you wanna rely on the state for your means and suck off the public, you deserve stipulations. I used to laugh at a radio talk host who said he would pump them up with Norplant if they had more than 1 kid on the dole.

[tod evans]

I'll go against the stream here....

With my magic wand there would be no federal freebies.....for anyone.

SSI and vetrans pensions would be it, and SSI enrollment would end as soon as I got my wand.

Whatever program individual states implement is fine.


Got no freekin' wand. :rolleyes:

[Dr.3D]

I'll go against the stream here....

With my magic wand there would be no federal freebies.....for anyone.

SSI and vetrans pensions would be it, and SSI enrollment would end as soon as I got my wand.

Whatever program individual states implement is fine.


Got no freekin' wand. :rolleyes:
Well, somebody does, or that woman wouldn't have had another baby.

;)

[tod evans]

Well, somebody does, or that woman wouldn't have had another baby.

;)

That wasn't a wand dude............he was just pokin' fun.

[Dr.3D]

That wasn't a wand dude............he was just pokin' fun.

Well, she took him seriously.

[tod evans]

Well, she took him seriously.

Unfortunately now we all pay. :mad:

[brandon]

I also wonder about the men. What kind of man would rather see his pregnant girlfriend on welfare than figuring out how to man up and handle his own business?

Yea it is pretty sleazy. In the case I was talking about the guy does have an alright career and is slowly getting his life together. He already pays a lot of money towards his girlfriend and her first kid. But he doesn't seem to have any moral aversion to welfarism, or any plan to marry this girl. It seems most people in their 20s -30s in my area of the country have absolutely no shame milking the welfare system.

[donnay]

A friend of mine is in this situation and it got me thinking about just how sleazy it is. Unmarried couple. GIrl already has one kid with some guy from the past. She lives a good life working part time at the mall and getting free daycare, foodstamps, paying no taxes, free living, etc. She has no plans to better herself. So she gets knocked up again and is now applying to have all her benefits increased. Of course this includes free gynocologist visits, free hospital birth including c-section....yada yada

It seems that there should be a stipulation. If a single mom is on welfare, and she has an additional kid, her welfare benefits freeze and she does not get more money.

Why doesn't this exist? Who could argue with it?


This is all being done by design. To blow out our economy and put us all in the poor house and make us beholden to government.

[frodus24]

It appears that the concept of personal responsibility is nonexistent in many individuals. Sad!

[tod evans]

It appears that the concept of personal responsibility is nonexistent in many individuals. Sad!

Ya mean "personal responsibility" isn't waiting on a gubment check?

Bet if ya' ask that girl she's fully responsible for herself and those kids...

[Lafayette]

If this woman wants the government to take care of her and her children, why not go all the way. Have the government take her kids away and put them in a foster home and put her in prison. Cut out the middle man, am i right?

[tod evans]

If this woman wants the government to take care of her and her children, why not go all the way. Have the government take her kids away and put them in a foster home and put her in prison. Cut out the middle man, am i right?

The likelihood of increasing her burden on "the gov" would be reduced......(pregnancy risk lowered)

I'm against the idea though, our nation is broke, we're borrowing money to stay afloat.....Let her live with family/friends/church or heaven forbid make nice with the kids father..:eek:

[Eagles' Wings]

The likelihood of increasing her burden on "the gov" would be reduced......(pregnancy risk lowered)

I'm against the idea though, our nation is broke, we're borrowing money to stay afloat.....Let her live with family/friends/church or heaven forbid make nice with the kids father..:eek:

We have family members who are homeless. The financial strain of helping took a huge toll and now they are on the dole. These are very tough times.

[tod evans]

We have family members who are homeless. The financial strain of helping took a huge toll and now they are on the dole. These are very tough times.

My family is hurting too. I can empathize.

[donnay]

We have family members who are homeless. The financial strain of helping took a huge toll and now they are on the dole. These are very tough times.

Yep all designed to make us resign our liberties! Those that see the handwriting on the wall better get prepared.

[Eagles' Wings]

My family is hurting too. I can empathize. Same to you. I often tell my dh that I am the angry brother from the Prodigal son story, left behind to work and help the parents while the younger are off "too sick" to help. GOd help us all!

[kathy88]

Part of my husband's family is moving back here after being away. The entire clan is on some type of assistance. Mom, dad, kid and kid's kid, (she was 17 when she had the baby), and another kid. That's a family of 5 all receiving some type of assistance. They called my husband and told him they were going to "camp in a state park" until they found a place they could afford. We have a rental house that just happened to become vacant two weeks ago. You know where this is headed. I would NEVER want to see a family homeless, but I see how this could go. If we let them stay at our house we will never get them out, which means we will in effect be supporting our family of 5 and their family of five. I told my husband it was a bad idea. He agrees. At this point we decided to offer their daughter and the baby the opportunity to stay with us. Hopefully they will be motivated to actually get a place if they are separated.

[Eagles' Wings]

Part of my husband's family is moving back here after being away. The entire clan is on some type of assistance. Mom, dad, kid and kid's kid, (she was 17 when she had the baby), and another kid. That's a family of 5 all receiving some type of assistance. They called my husband and told him they were going to "camp in a state park" until they found a place they could afford. We have a rental house that just happened to become vacant two weeks ago. You know where this is headed. I would NEVER want to see a family homeless, but I see how this could go. If we let them stay at our house we will never get them out, which means we will in effect be supporting our family of 5 and their family of five. I told my husband it was a bad idea. He agrees. At this point we decided to offer their daughter and the baby the opportunity to stay with us. Hopefully they will be motivated to actually get a place if they are separated.This makes me want to weep. Well, thank GOd you can be so generous. Perhaps we will be "showering" you with baby supplies in the near future.

[donnay]

Part of my husband's family is moving back here after being away. The entire clan is on some type of assistance. Mom, dad, kid and kid's kid, (she was 17 when she had the baby), and another kid. That's a family of 5 all receiving some type of assistance. They called my husband and told him they were going to "camp in a state park" until they found a place they could afford. We have a rental house that just happened to become vacant two weeks ago. You know where this is headed. I would NEVER want to see a family homeless, but I see how this could go. If we let them stay at our house we will never get them out, which means we will in effect be supporting our family of 5 and their family of five. I told my husband it was a bad idea. He agrees. At this point we decided to offer their daughter and the baby the opportunity to stay with us. Hopefully they will be motivated to actually get a place if they are separated.


Make sure the people you have graciously let live under your roof knows the house rules. Be stern and strict and don't back away thinking you are being too hard. Otherwise, they WILL take advantage of you.

We are in the same boat.

[Eagles' Wings]

Make sure the people you have graciously let live under your roof knows the house rules. Be stern and strict and don't back away thinking you are being too hard. Otherwise, they WILL take advantage of you.

We are in the same boat.You, too? You are a good soul!

[donnay]

You, too? You are a good soul!


I am on the verge of building onto my house to move my elderly parents on my land too. Otherwise they will not be able to sustain where they are. They are barely making it, on the small retirement and social security they have. My father has had a stroke and any money they had acquired to live comfortable on, in their golden years, has since dried up due to medical bills.

This is one of the reason why I think it is incumbent upon us, to make sure we get healthy and stay healthy! Otherwise, we will all be on our own and beholden to this horrendous medical community who will end our misery, gladly--but not before they squeeze every penny out of us in the process.

[Weston White]

“... It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle.” - P.J. O'Rourke

[Philhelm]

It gets even better. Over on some mommy/future mommy forums I hear there are plenty of threads where women post about deciding to try to have kids because they and/or husband got laid off/fired and they want to have the kid while it is "free" to them because of govt coverage. That's right, couples are deciding to have kids when they are put in the position where they know they won't have the means to take care of themselves.

File that under whatever you subsidize, you get more of.

[KingNothing]

It is my observation that these people don't make decisions. They allow circumstance and immediate desires dictate their movement through life.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7QroP00y24

Ever see this movie? It's awesome. In particular, that scene is amazing.

"You're not going to be one of those people who goes through life wondering why shit keeps falling out of the sky around them." That line has always struck a chord with me and your post did the same. Many people don't "make" decisions. Or, if they do, they don't weigh the consequences of their actions. Life just happens to them, and shit falls out of the sky around them. And it's a crying shame because adults should be above that. As a caring man, a reasonable man and a man capable of compromise, I have no problem with the state providing welfare to those who are physically or mentally incapable of caring for themselves and without family or charity to pick up the slack. It's not ideal but if it were limited to that, the amount of "welfare" doled out would be minimal. Right now, we foster an environment that allows people to eschew personal accountability. We train people to become dependent on the state. What a tragedy that is.

Morphing from where we are now to where we should be will take a LONG time. My guess is that it will take at least one full generation to instill in people a sense of self-reliance and self-confidence and a sense of obligation to be charitable with the wealth they happen to produce. If we can get to that point, we can start to beat the state back here, on welfare, which is the easiest issue for the bleeding-hearts to demagogue.

[qh4dotcom]

In some countries like Russia, welfare for children is necessary...otherwise the population will keep going down at a faster rate. That's why Putin is paying women to have children.

[flynn]

Well, I agree in principle. But in reality, I love babies. If I had to pick which welfare programs to end, it wouldn't start with prenatal care for expectant mothers.

But the whole welfare system is propped up by the children. On one hand, should the children (who literally are incapable of providing for themselves) suffer because their mother is a total waste?

I also wonder about the men. What kind of man would rather see his pregnant girlfriend on welfare than figuring out how to man up and handle his own business?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoGLqKRPRt0

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I am on the verge of building onto my house to move my elderly parents on my land too. Otherwise they will not be able to sustain where they are. They are barely making it, on the small retirement and social security they have. My father has had a stroke and any money they had acquired to live comfortable on, in their golden years, has since dried up due to medical bills.

This is one of the reason why I think it is incumbent upon us, to make sure we get healthy and stay healthy! Otherwise, we will all be on our own and beholden to this horrendous medical community who will end our misery, gladly--but not before they squeeze every penny out of us in the process.

Parent's in old age are another issue. I see it as a responsibility since they took care of you for 18+ years, it is only right to reciprocate. God forbid you relegate them to the misery that are 'old folks homes'. I know, I used to work in one and I wouldn't wish it on any parent. It's suffocating, disgusting, and disrespectful imho. I fully expect to take care of my folks in their old age when life has rendered them insufficient to take care of themselves.

[Luciconsort]

makes me wanna watch Maury :)

[Simple]

I hate to see government waste, government dependency, and welfare abuse; but at least its better than population control measures being applied to poor people.

[tod evans]

I hate to see government waste, government dependency, and welfare abuse; but at least its better than population control measures being applied to poor people.

Why do you limit yourself to the two options?

If people know they're going to have to feed and care for their offspring or watch them suffer it's quite possible the "welfare class" would shrink in one generation.

Government "dependents" requesting tax-payer money from government "employees" just doesn't seem like a good way to limit the size of the federal government.

[Dr.3D]

I hate to see government waste, government dependency, and welfare abuse; but at least its better than population control measures being applied to poor people.
Well, the people who are not poor, generally control their baby making activities, because they know they will have to take care of them and pay through the nose to do so. Why should a certain segment of the population get a free pass to multiply as much as they see fit while the rest have to take responsibility for their reproductive activity and that of those who get a free pass?

[MelissaWV]

I don't care how many children people have, and I also don't mind those with big hearts donating to charities that will help fund things like continuing education, prenatal care, childcare, nutritional education, etc., for these women. I do mind when you take the money from me to do it, and also imply that you know better than I do what kind of program my money should fund.

[Anti Federalist]

I also wonder about the men. What kind of man would rather see his pregnant girlfriend on welfare than figuring out how to man up and handle his own business?

For thirty years now, maybe more, the entire culture has portrayed men as worthless, useless, vermin.

No surprise that now, they act like it.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh you're going to make me do it...


The assumption that spending more of the taxpayers’ money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family—which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions—began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to “help.” - Thomas Sowell


BETA test.

What government has done to black community and family, it now has planned for everybody.

[Kluge]

For thirty years now, maybe more, the entire culture has portrayed men as worthless, useless, vermin.

No surprise that now, they act like it.

And when they do stick around, they're fat, lazy dumbasses who couldn't tie their own shoes without their hot wife's help.

[Danke]

And when they do stick around, they're fat, lazy dumbasses who couldn't tie their own shoes without their hot wife's help.

Don't let your own experience sour you on all men.

[awake]

The State is her husband. She is acting as if it pays to marry Mr.Right, and she is going to keep cranking out kids to keep the relationship together; good welfare programs are hard to find.

Subsidise single mothers and you will get more single mothers who give birth to completly dependant state offspring.

[brandon]

Is Danke hitting on kluge?

[LibertyRevolution]

Yea it is pretty sleazy. In the case I was talking about the guy does have an alright career and is slowly getting his life together. He already pays a lot of money towards his girlfriend and her first kid. But he doesn't seem to have any moral aversion to welfarism, or any plan to marry this girl. It seems most people in their 20s -30s in my area of the country have absolutely no shame milking the welfare system.

If the state is offering free childcare, healthcare, food, cash and whatnot, why not take advantage of if?
You pay for it already out your taxes, most people think of it as just getting their money back.

[brandon]

I don't disagree with trying to get some of your money back, but you can't really make that argument if you never put any money in in the first place.

[specsaregood]

./

[Kluge]

Is Danke hitting on kluge?

Seems unlikely.

[Kluge]

I'm a big believer in velcro.

That's an excellent way to relieve some of the pressure your wife feels in taking care of your incompetent ass, good job. :p

[Noob]

Or implanted birth control.
Or just adopt China's One-Child Policy like the green freaks want America to do right? Is that what you really want?

With Obamacare I can see Doctors urging women not to give birth, but rather have an abortion, and they refuse the abortion to have an C-section so they could be sterilize with out even knowing it because this would give the Doctor access to tie her tubes or remove her uterus to prevent her from having any more children because it be more cost effective than giving birth. Liberals would love to say they are saving tax payer money with this.

[Dr.3D]

Or just adopt China's One-Child Policy like the green freaks want America to do right? Is that what you really want?

With Obamacare I can see Doctors urging women not to give birth, but rather have an abortion, and they refuse the abortion to have an C-section so they could be sterilize with out even knowing it because this would give the Doctor access to tie her tubes or remove her uterus to prevent her from having any more children because it be more cost effective than giving birth. Liberals would love to say they are saving tax payer money with this.
You have to be kidding me!
You ask if that's what I want.
Did I say I wanted a one child policy?
Hell no, that's not what I said.
I said I would like those who can't afford children to stop having them and making everybody else pay for them.
Get it? Do you understand what I am saying or are you having some sort of mental problem?

[kathy88]

BETA test.

What government has done to black community and family, it now has planned for everybody.

Give "Blacklash" by Deneen Borelli a read.

[tod evans]

Or just adopt China's One-Child Policy like the green freaks want America to do right? Is that what you really want?

With Obamacare I can see Doctors urging women not to give birth, but rather have an abortion, and they refuse the abortion to have an C-section so they could be sterilize with out even knowing it because this would give the Doctor access to tie her tubes or remove her uterus to prevent her from having any more children because it be more cost effective than giving birth. Liberals would love to say they are saving tax payer money with this.

Try and grasp the idea of no government involvement, no "one-child" laws, no sterilization, no welfare, no taxes to support social engineering...

You would be at liberty to provide as much or as little support as you wanted to to any of these "needy" people...All by yourself, no overhead of government salaries /benefits and pensions to get in the way.

Much less government is the answer.

[CaptUSA]

Try and grasp the idea of no government involvement, no "one-child" laws, no sterilization, no welfare, no taxes to support social engineering...

You would be at liberty to provide as much or as little support as you wanted to to any of these "needy" people...All by yourself, no overhead of government salaries /benefits and pensions to get in the way.

Much less government is the answer.The curious thing is that with much less government, the population growth actually controls itself. Not just because of each person taking responsibility, but with countries that have the highest levels of economic freedom, the population growth is the slowest. The more prosperous the population, the less need for more offspring to help out. Weird, huh?

[showpan]

The curious thing is that with much less government, the population growth actually controls itself. Not just because of each person taking responsibility, but with countries that have the highest levels of economic freedom, the population growth is the slowest. The more prosperous the population, the less need for more offspring to help out. Weird, huh?

That was a joke, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories _by_birth_rate

the highest rates are in places that have practically no government at all such as Africa, South America etc, and then you have socialist Germany which has one of the lowest rates.

[CaptUSA]

That was a joke, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories _by_birth_rate

the highest rates are in places that have practically no government at all such as Africa, South America etc, and then you have socialist Germany which has one of the lowest rates.Yeah, my first sentence was misstated. Not less government, more prosperity. However, more prosperity is acheived with more economic freedom. In the countries at the top of the list, economic freedoms are severely repressed.

[Simple]

Why do you limit yourself to the two options?

If people know they're going to have to feed and care for their offspring or watch them suffer it's quite possible the "welfare class" would shrink in one generation.

Government "dependents" requesting tax-payer money from government "employees" just doesn't seem like a good way to limit the size of the federal government.

I'm just saying that the non-aggression principle comes before economics.


Well, the people who are not poor, generally control their baby making activities, because they know they will have to take care of them and pay through the nose to do so. Why should a certain segment of the population get a free pass to multiply as much as they see fit while the rest have to take responsibility for their reproductive activity and that of those who get a free pass?

I advocate for freedom not free passes. When you advocate for forced birth control you are arguing for tyranny, force, and violence. I think it was a joke what you said, but I consider bad social welfare to be a lesser evil than forced sterilizations. That shit is not funny.

[Dr.3D]

I'm just saying that the non-aggression principle comes before economics.



I advocate for freedom not free passes. When you advocate for forced birth control you are arguing for tyranny, force, and violence. I think it was a joke what you said, but I consider bad social welfare to be a lesser evil than forced sterilizations. That shit is not funny.
1. Birth control implants are not sterilization.
2. The person has a choice as to getting the implant. They can get it and continue with welfare or decide not to continue with welfare. It's their choice, there is no force involved.

[tod evans]

I'm just saying that the non-aggression principle comes before economics.
.

How in the world could wanting to eliminate a parasitic government oversight of tax-payer money equate in any way to your "non-aggressive" principles?

[Simple]

How in the world could wanting to eliminate a parasitic government oversight of tax-payer money equate in any way to your "non-aggressive" principles?

I'm saying we need to have priorities and the nonaggression principle is how I start thinking about any problem. There has got to be a more peaceful solution than forcing welfare recipients to undergo surgical birth control. I'll admit, I don't even really know what surgical birth control is, but some of the arguments in this thread sound like very similar the the argument for eugenics so I raised a red flag.

[brandon]

AEI Article shows that a single mom is better on on welfare than taking a $69k/year job.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/julias-mother-why-a-single-mom-is-better-off-on-welfare-than-taking-a-69000-a-year-job/

[tod evans]

AEI Article shows that a single mom is better on on welfare than taking a $69k/year job.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/julias-mother-why-a-single-mom-is-better-off-on-welfare-than-taking-a-69000-a-year-job/

I want a magic wand.........

[Anti Federalist]

AEI Article shows that a single mom is better on on welfare than taking a $69k/year job.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/julias-mother-why-a-single-mom-is-better-off-on-welfare-than-taking-a-69000-a-year-job/

Tipping point has been achieved.

http://chinalawandpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tipping-point.jpg

[RonPaulMall]

As Mencken noted, nature abhors a moron. The welfare class exists because government subsidizes it. Take away the subsidy, and nature takes care of the problem. People will either avoid having children they can't afford, or they and their children will suffer the consequences.

[heavenlyboy34]

Is Danke hitting on kluge?
Of course. Who wouldn't?

[lx43]

As Mencken noted, nature abhors a moron. The welfare class exists because government subsidizes it. Take away the subsidy, and nature takes care of the problem. People will either avoid having children they can't afford, or they and their children will suffer the consequences.

+ Rep

[Anti Federalist]

makes me wanna watch Maury :)

Ugh, had to take in my truck for an alignment after putting in new springs.

I was subjected to an hour of that in the shop lounge.

It was just awful.

[lx43]

Ugh, had to take in my truck for an alignment after putting in new springs.

I was subjected to an hour of that in the shop lounge.

It was just awful.

I had to be subjected to it too recently when I was in the gym. Makes you wonder how the idiots even know how to tie their shoes.

[MelissaWV]

Ugh, had to take in my truck for an alignment after putting in new springs.

I was subjected to an hour of that in the shop lounge.

It was just awful.

I'm sure it's staged. After the tenth time a gal goes on there and says "This time I'm SURE he's the daddy! The other fifty guys aren't, but THIS one IS!" you would think Maury would be forced to take her aside and ask if she's even aware how babies are made.