Gun magazine advertisement?

[krott5333]

I was thinking Shotgun news.. but it comes out 3x a month, a full page is about $1500


I emailed guns & ammo for rates as well.


thoughts?

[Austin]

Great idea, I'd like to see this go somewhere.

[Sematary]

Great idea, I'd like to see this go somewhere.

There is an idea for that guy who is looking to spend his $100k - every gun magazine in the country in one month - December preferably.

[Lord Xar]

Krott,

You now have your assignmnet....

Make this happen..

[Chase]

I think this is a great idea! Considering that the front-runners aren't very pro gun, I'm sure there are gun owners looking for alternatives that have not yet heard of RP. The ad should certainly mention his endorsement by various gun rights groups (such as the one in Montana), and a quote from GOA's article about RP.

[Sematary]

I think this is a great idea! Considering that the front-runners aren't very pro gun, I'm sure there are gun owners looking for alternatives that have not yet heard of RP. The ad should certainly mention his endorsement by various gun rights groups (such as the one in Montana), and a quote from GOA's article about RP.

If we could reach and get the vote of, every die hard gun owner in the country, Ron Paul would win by a landslide.

[Bryan]

Sounds like a great idea. Is there a grassroots ad created that is tailored for gun owners?

[Energy]

Definitely.

For ideas, here's a comparison chart of McGiulianey (partial page below):

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/uploads/pdf/84.pdf

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/gunowners

We can tap other markets too (e.g. money/finance)


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5723/img289oq2.jpg

[Sematary]

Sounds like a great idea. Is there a grassroots ad created that is tailored for gun owners?

There is. Not sure where it went to though

[krott5333]

i already have a few ideas.

I really like white ads with bold black text that stands out.. I believe Springfield XD had a few ads like such.

BIG black letters, top half of the page..

KEEP
YOUR
GUNS.

and using this quote:

"Ron Paul's pro-gun credentials are impeccable and he has been a leading proponent of rolling back the past 40 years of gun control." -Gun Owners of America

and maybe:
"John McCain, Rudy Guilianni and Mitt Romney [...] have proven to be anything but pro-gun in their voting habits and speech."

from (http://gunowners.org/pres08/powder.htm)

[work2win]

I think the Ad needs to address his foreign policy too. This is the crowd that is scared away by "anti-war." The ad should show how he is strong and SERIOUS about defense by securing the border, etc.

[Energy]

Great ideas. I'm in agreement with keeping it simple and eye-catching with big bold letters to draw them in.

Use quotes to add punch, like a founding father and RP:

(just a random one I saw) "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

[krott5333]

I think the Ad needs to address his foreign policy too. This is the crowd that is scared away by "anti-war." The ad should show how he is strong and SERIOUS about defense by securing the border, etc.

indeed.

I definitely want to put something about more military contributions than any other candidate.

[Austin]

Well, this has inspired me a bit. I'm going to go to all of my local gun stores and give them a few slim jims, along with the flyer that shows the other candidates positions.

[krott5333]

Well, this has inspired me a bit. I'm going to go to all of my local gun stores and give them a few slim jims, along with the flyer that shows the other candidates positions.

www.ronpaul2008store.com now has gun-rights slim jims available as well.

[Energy]

Gathering websites (forums, portals) will be good for banner advertising.

[ClayTrainor]

Great idea man... This is a market of potential RP supporters that i beleive we have yet to tap into... i will contribute to getting an ad out in those mags if u start a chipin

[krott5333]

Great idea man... This is a market of potential RP supporters that i beleive we have yet to tap into... i will contribute to getting an ad out in those mags if u start a chipin

can I legally start a chip-in for an ad that costs more than $1000 without forming a PAC?

[Austin]

www.ronpaul2008store.com now has gun-rights slim jims available as well.
I got about 50 of them from my Meetup, so I'm covered for that. I usually give out the default slim jim to random people, so I still have quite a few of the Gun-Owner For Paul slim jims.

Did you see the new ones they have? Veterans, Farmers, Tax Free Tips, and small businesses, all will be extremely effective.

[krott5333]

I got about 50 of them from my Meetup, so I'm covered for that. I usually give out the default slim jim to random people, so I still have quite a few of the Gun-Owner For Paul slim jims.

Did you see the new ones they have? Veterans, Farmers, Tax Free Tips, and small businesses, all will be extremely effective.

yup, i ordered some of all of them!

[Austin]

yup, i ordered some of all of them!

How much did you order? I'm looking to buy some, but if you bought a ton of them, would you be interested in selling about 100 of each?

[krott5333]

How much did you order? I'm looking to buy some, but if you bought a ton of them, would you be interested in selling about 100 of each?

i could spare 100 gun owners and 100 life & liberty.

PM me your address, its on me. Just be sure to put them to good use!

[dc74rp]

If donations are needed for this ad, count me in.

[leonster]

Hunting magazines too! I think you'd find that an overwhelming majority of those reading hunting magazines are pro-gun... but NOT all hunters subscribe to gun magazines.

Do the gun magazines AND a few hunting magazines... reach a wider audience... :)

Just a suggestion.

(Examples: Outdoor Life, Field & Stream...)

[literatim]

Hunting and gun magazines would be prime for reaching out to obtain new Ron Paul voters.

[LibertyEagle]

can I legally start a chip-in for an ad that costs more than $1000 without forming a PAC?

No. But, one of the people who already have one, might be willing to help you out.

[Bobby Johnson]

Yes, please look into advertising in gun magazines. I have gone to two gunshows recently, both to promote Ron Paul. The people there were VERY receptive to a candidate that not would only uphold their right to bear arms but also believes it could be strengthened as well.

The money bomb on November 5th seems to have helped in terms of name recognition. However, most people still had no idea what he stood for. Since many people viewed weapons as a tool to protect themselves and their families, it was not hard to hold their attention. I wish gun shows would be pushed more by folks at the grassroots level.

[LibertyEagle]

Here are some things that might help give you some ideas of what to put in the ad:
http://www.doomwadstation.com/2nd.doc

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/files/GunOwnersSlimJim.pdf

http://files.meetup.com/520426/gun_flier.pdf

[RTsquared]

(Not sure whether this should go in the Gun Magazine thread or the $100K thread, so I'm going to post it in both places)

Thinking a little outside the box here...I do not believe the NRA has officially endorsed a candidate, have they?

If they haven't, and they have provided their membership list to another candidate (that's the ONLY reason I can imagine I got a Fred08 2A Advisory Council mailer), then they should be required to provide their membership list to any candidate that requests it...right?

I think Gun Owner slim jim mailouts to NRA members in early primary states could be extremely effective.

Thoughts?

[manny]

Excellent thread!

Every pro-2nd Amendment voter should be voting for RP. Only thing is it really needs to let people know just how pathetic the records of Rudy & co. are - and like the good doctor says, we should always be polite but firm.

Does anyone know the legal situation for Gun Owners of America? -I mean are they allowed to endorse a presidential candidate? If so perhaps they would- co-fund such an ad if they could put their details on too?

Contacting NRA groups is a no-brainer too. I've read so many people point out the various ways they have sold out, but a lot of pro-2nd Americans are members none the less.

As Llepard has shown, if someone puts up a draft, they have hundreds of proof-readers ready to work for free online to refine it! And then nail some gun magazines.

(On a related note, I think many of these very detailed ads will work best in specialist magazines - I was thinking magazines for economists/historians/medical professionals could be good ideas too, and probably cos effective?)

[jake]

this is the essence of targeting advertising. These people are not only likely to become Ron Paul voter's, they all also likely to be STRONG supporters that join the grassroots effort, because they are so passionate about their 2nd Amendment rights. Someone take charge and start fund raising for this effort!

[Energy]

Count me in for chipping in. Hunting, gun magazines, website banner ads and more. Let's do it.

Saw this in another thread:

Rudy Giuliani announces that the City of New York has filed a lawsuit against gun manufacturers and distributors. June 20, 2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5DxwzEXHQ

[Jimmy]

I'd chip in......Gun owners of America would be another source to mention.

[Energy]

Some forums to participate in:

http://www.google.com/search?q=gun%20forum

http://www.google.com/search?q=gun%20forums

[bbachtung]

There are some great articles by RP about the 2nd Amendment, including my personal favorite (from April 2003):



Assault Weapons and Assaults on the Constitution

The Bush administration recently surprised and angered many pro-gun conservatives by announcing its support for an assault weapons ban passed in 1994. The law contained a ten-year sunset provision, and is set to expire in 2004 unless reauthorized by Congress. A spokesman for the administration stated flatly that the President “supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law.”

Perhaps this should have surprised no one. President Bush already stated his support for the ban during the 2000 campaign. The irony is that he did so even as the Democratic Party was abandoning gun control as a losing issue. In fact, many attribute Gore’s loss to his lack of support among gun owners. The events of September 11th also dealt a serious blow to the gun control movement, as millions of Americans realized they could not rely on government to protect them against terrorism. Gun sales have predictably increased.

Given this trend in the American electorate away from support for gun control, the administration’s position may well cost votes in 2004. The mistaken political premise is that while Republicans generally support gun rights, so-called “assault weapons” are different and must be controlled. The administration clearly believes that moderate voters from both parties support the ban. “Who could possibly need such weapons?” is the standard question posed by gun control advocates.

Few people asking that question, however, know much about the banned weapons or the Second amendment itself. The law in question bans many very ordinary types of rifles and ammunition, while limiting magazine capacity for both rifles and pistols that are still legal. Many of the vilified “assault rifles” outlawed by the ban are in fact sporting rifles that are no longer available to hunters and outdoorsmen. Of course true military-style automatic rifles remain widely available to criminals on the black market. So practically speaking, the assault weapons ban does nothing to make us safer.

More importantly, however, the debate about certain types of weapons ignores the fundamental purpose of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of the time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms. It’s convenient for gun banners to dismiss this argument by saying “That could never happen here, this is America”- but history shows that only vigilant people can keep government under control. By banning certain weapons today, we may plant the seeds for tyranny to flourish ten, thirty, or fifty years from now.

Tortured interpretations of the Second amendment cannot change the fact that both the letter of the amendment itself and the legislative history conclusively show that the Founders intended ordinary citizens to be armed. The notion that the Second amendment confers rights only upon organized state-run militias is preposterous; the amendment is meaningless unless it protects the gun rights of individuals. Georgetown University professor Robert Levy recently offered this simple explanation:

“Suppose the Second amendment said ‘A well-educated electorate being necessary for self-governance in a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.’ Is there anyone who would suggest that means only registered voters have a right to read?”

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=301

[krott5333]

guys guys... you're talking to a pro. I'm a member on every major gun forum there is. I'm a self-proclaimed GUN NUT.

the ATF sent me an overly thick book of gun laws the other day, because of my C&R license.

I've got my carry permit.

I might as well change my name to Guns4RonPaul, nah what i mean?

maybe that will be the name of my PAC :eek:

:D

[krott5333]

this is the essence of targeting advertising. These people are not only likely to become Ron Paul voter's, they all also likely to be STRONG supporters that join the grassroots effort, because they are so passionate about their 2nd Amendment rights. Someone take charge and start fund raising for this effort!

patience brolycakes. I'm going to send in the necessary paperwork for a PAC, open a bank account, and I'll get this thing up and running in no time. This is going to be all out, full on assault (pun intended) of the gun owning community.

Be prepared :eek:

[LibertyEagle]

bump

[akovacs]

This needs to happen. Do you need to set up a PAC to do this? Can't we do this like any other way and just buy an ad and specify that we aren't a part of the campaign?

Anyway, post it when you get it going and you need some money. I'll gladly through in a couple of bucks for this.

[LibertyEagle]

Krott,

What's the status on this effort?

Would it be a good idea to start working on the ad?

[MadViking10]

bump

[nathanmn]

For anyone that read the recent GOA newsletter that they sent out you know how bad Giuliani is on gun rights. I was trying to spread the word on him for some time. I think ads in gun magazines is great. Even contrasting Rudy Giuliani's record and Ron Paul's record might be good. Giuliani is a class A gun grabbing scum bag and Ron Paul is the strongest 2nd amendment supporter in congress.


Here is some info on Giuliani, with selected quotes from the video links I provide:

In this video Giuliani endorses Senator Moynahan's proposal for a TEN THOUSAND percent tax on ammunition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDjGnGCygs

"...some of the proposals of Senator Moynahan to add taxes to a lot of the ammunition to reduce the level of ammunition. All of that will help."

He also says:

"We have a horrendous number of guns in this country."

"The more we can reduce the large number of handguns in our society, the faster we are going to start moving this in the right direction."

"It makes much more sense to have a program in which we take guns out of society.."

Another video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emeu2KRt2Vg

He says:

"...therefore a person who wants to possess a handgun should pass a written test, should be able to pass a physical test in the actual use of the gun, and should have to demonstrate good moral character and a reason to have the gun. That those should be, essentially there should be a uniform law passed by congress that says every state has to adminster that."

"... and I've been arguing for that since at least 1980."

Another video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5DxwzEXHQ

In that one, Benito Giuliani announces his lawsuits against the gun industry.

Yet another video where Benito Giuliani announces his anti-gun beliefs and opposition to the NRA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ99sBfdqE0

[LibertyEagle]

I would think that most gun owners are aware that Giuliani is a gun-grabber. They do not however realize that Thompson voted for several anti-gun pieces of legislation.

[Kingfisher]

Bump

[manny]

Excellent thread. RP should be the candidate for those who support gun rights. This is an especially important issue since it can - and on it the voters will - cross party lines. Look at the damage it did to Slick Willy Clinton.

Maybe a chip-in for some very detailed full-page ads that will leave not one gun enthusiast in any doubt that he must vote and campaign for Dr Paul?

[FreeTraveler]

Check out the "Giuliani on Gun Control" video in my signature. :D

[nathanmn]

I would think that most gun owners are aware that Giuliani is a gun-grabber. They do not however realize that Thompson voted for several anti-gun pieces of legislation.

Fred Thompson's record is acceptable to many gun owners. His worst votes were for the Lautenburg amendment and for McCain-Feingold. Giuliani's gun record is not okay. Contrast Giuliani's record with Ron Paul's record and you may have a lot of people jumping ship to our side.

Anyway we go about it, this is the type of targeted advertisements that we need to do. Lets keep this on the top of our agenda!

[Kingfisher]

Do it! Let me know where to send my hundred.

[john_anderson_ii]

Did anyone think of an ad in "American's 1st Freedom". It's the magazine of the NRA and I think it goes out to every member.

[LibertyEagle]

bump

[davidkachel]

I would think that most gun owners are aware that Giuliani is a gun-grabber. They do not however realize that Thompson voted for several anti-gun pieces of legislation.

No, they are not aware. Stop and think guys... has any Republican candidate for president ever been anti-gun? Republicans simply don't expect it. They assume any Republican candidate is of course going to be pro-gun.

What's wrong with this picture???
We are being set up and the NRA is part of it.
Twenty years ago, if the top three Republican candidates were all anti-gun as they are today, wouldn't the NRA have been screaming it from the rooftops to prevent any possibility of one of them getting the nomination?
Of course they would have. The answer... the NRA AND the Republican hierarchy have betrayed gun owners and are just waiting for the elections to push new anti-gun legislation through.

Why are we talking about paying gun magazines to run ads that would ensure their own survival??? Shouldn't they be sufficiently interested in their own survival that we should not have to pay them to publicly denouce Giuliani, Romney and McCain?

We shouldn't be talking about BUYING ads from these magazines. We should be giving their editors exactly the same treatment we give to slanderous newspeople. They should be hearing from us by the thousands: "Why have you not denounced these gun-grabbing frauds?" Why is this not on the cover of every gun magazine in the country? Why are you asleep at the switch???

[literatim]

Time is really running out to advertise in magazines. If this is to be done, it needs to be done now.

[The Plan]

Brilliant!!!!
This needs to be done, especially in Michigan.

[LibertyEagle]

Krott, what's the update?

Are you going to lead this, or not?

[nathanmn]

Bump.

[Sematary]

Krott, what's the update?

Are you going to lead this, or not?

Exactly. Is this getting done?

[nathanmn]

Exactly. Is this getting done?

Bumpity bump bump BUMP!