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Anti Federalist
06-29-2012, 05:48 PM
The folks at National Review, that won't even acknowledge the word "conspiracy".

Does anybody even take that rag anymore?



National Review flays Fast and Furious 'conspiracy theory'

By JOSH GERSTEIN | 6/29/12 5:14 PM EDT

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/

One of the best-known media outlets for the conservative cause, National Review, is dismissing a popular theory on the right that the Operation Fast and Furious gunrunning probe was part of a deliberate attempt by the Obama administration to advance gun control by sending weapons to Mexican drug gangs.

The scenario sounds improbable, but in a column earlier this week National Review's Robert VanBruggen took House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) to task for fueling such suspicions.

"Some Fast and Furious critics have concocting a conspiracy theory: specifically, that the Obama administration allowed the guns to go to Mexico deliberately in order to increase gun crime there, so it could cite that crime as a reason for more gun control here. And unfortunately, Fast and Furious’s lead critic, House Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa, has joined them," VanBruggen wrote.

During an interview on ABC Sunday, Issa said the question of whether the program was set up as part of an effort to impose gun control was an open one.

"So chicken or egg? We don’t know which came first; we probably never will," Issa said. "The people involved saw the benefit of....what they were gathering. Whether or not that was their original purpose, we probably will never know."

[B]While there are e-mails indicating that some Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials hoped that facts uncovered in the Fast and Furious operation could be used to increase reporting requirements for firearm purchases, VanBruggen argues that it requires a huge leap in logic and in distrust for other people's motives to think that the whole operation was set up for such a reason.

"There is no direct evidence that anyone involved in the creation of Fast and Furious intended to increase gun crime in Mexico. The fact that someone looked to Fast and Furious for anecdotal evidence after the fact says almost nothing about the origins of the program. And on closer inspection, this theory isn’t any more understandable than the one that doesn’t require accusing the administration of murdering scores of Mexican citizens and at least one American law-enforcement agent for political gain. Even if we assume the Obama administration places no value whatsoever on human life, it’s hard to see how the gun-control scheme would have passed a cost-benefit analysis," the National Review writer said.

Asked for comment, Issa spokesman Frederick Hill said VanBruggen never reached out to Issa's office before the post.

"I thin Congressman Issa has been very clear….that the evidence indicates the impetus for creating Operation Fast and Furious was the desire to catch high-level cartel associates rather than focus on straw buyers," Hill said. "We do have do evidence indicating, during the operation itself, people participating in it thought the things that were happening could be used to justify new gun control measures."

dannno
06-29-2012, 05:56 PM
I thought they were doing it to rile up violence to create an excuse to crack down on drugs, generally, and also possibly crack down on controlling the border and the cartels in Mexico.

I guess the gun control theory makes a little bit of sense as well. It was probably all of the above. It's not like all those things aren't part of the agenda.

Austrian Econ Disciple
06-29-2012, 05:59 PM
Holder is rabidly anti- anyone have a gun, but Government goons....you don't think using F&F as a false flag never registered? LOL. Just like they never planned to attack the American people and frame Cuba in order to get the sheeple to line up?

TheTexan
06-29-2012, 07:08 PM
Some nice doublethink in that one

coastie
06-29-2012, 10:03 PM
Some nice doublethink in that one

Yep, here's one :

"There is no direct evidence that anyone involved in the creation of Fast and Furious intended to increase gun crime in Mexico.

"Yeah, because, we totally thought the guns we shipped down there would just be kept in their boxes, you know, like an heirloom that's never used."

John F Kennedy III
06-30-2012, 03:53 AM
Some nice doublethink in that one

Indeed.

John F Kennedy III
06-30-2012, 03:53 AM
Some nice doublethink in that one

Indeed.

DerailingDaTrain
06-30-2012, 07:06 AM
I don't think this but it makes more sense than the reason they have been giving.

fisharmor
06-30-2012, 08:12 AM
And on closer inspection, this theory isn’t any more understandable than the one that doesn’t require accusing the administration of murdering scores of Mexican citizens and at least one American law-enforcement agent for political gain.

Ok, so there's literally smoke coming out of the top of my head trying to process this.
Bush murdered hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the middle east for political gain,
Obama murdered what, at least tens of thousands in the middle east for political gain,
Obama murdered a 16 year old US citizen for political gain.............

......but for some reason we're expected to believe he respects the lives of perhaps the second most openly despised demographic in this country.

Anti Federalist
06-30-2012, 11:48 AM
Ok, so there's literally smoke coming out of the top of my head trying to process this.
Bush murdered hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the middle east for political gain,
Obama murdered what, at least tens of thousands in the middle east for political gain,
Obama murdered a 16 year old US citizen for political gain.............

......but for some reason we're expected to believe he respects the lives of perhaps the second most openly despised demographic in this country.

We are war with Eastasia, comrade.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.