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Anti Federalist
06-21-2012, 12:38 PM
No better way to get people to "stand down".

Just holler "POLICE! POLICE!" as you kick the door in.

Was it Pericles that had something in his sig line about what are you supposed to think when people kicking your door down in the middle of the night might just as likely be cops as thieves?



Police: One dead in St. Petersburg home invasion

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1236125.ece

ST. PETERSBURG — The four masked men stormed up to the house with purpose early Tuesday morning.

They walked in a single line, taking time to move a lawn chair in their way.

It took just two strong kicks to break down the door of the rust-colored single family home at 7014 Orpine Drive N.

"Police! Police! Police!" the group shouted, guns raised.

Once inside, authorities said, the robbers demanded cash and drugs from Richard Lamar Shaw, 41, and his adult son.

The robbers shot Shaw in the upper torso, police said. He died soon afterward at Northside Hospital. His son was unharmed.

It was the second tragedy the family had to face in as many weeks. Shaw's wife, Tory, mother of their two sons, died June 11 after a long battle with cancer.

Hours after the shooting, as family members arrived at the vacant home to collect the family's belongings, Shaw's brother, Kenneth, crouched behind a Ford Explorer parked in the street and wept.

"They were good people," he said. "My brother, in the last year, just struggled with his wife's cancer. Through it all my brother just took it in.

"He was a good father, and she was a good mother," he said. "That's all I want to say."

Police believe the robbers are also responsible for a similar home invasion that took place about 24 minutes earlier at 5800 First St. N, a couple of miles away.

In that case, police said, a group of armed and masked young men barged into the home about 4:20 a.m. yelling "police," and demanding money and jewelry.

They roughed up Gregg M. Gordon, 51, and took items from him before fleeing.

"There are enough similarities that we believe these are the same suspects," St. Petersburg police spokesman Bill Proffitt said. "We don't believe these are random acts. It appears more like these victims were targeted."

In the Meadowlawn neighborhood where Shaw was killed, family friend and neighbor Timothy Bidwell paced near the scene Tuesday morning.

Crime tape kept him from getting too close to the house Shaw owned with his wife.

"It's not right," said Bidwell, 33, who said he'd known Shaw for nearly 20 years. Bidwell said his uncle was best friends with Shaw, and the two lived in the same neighborhood for years. "He didn't deserve this."

Shaw and his wife had been married 18 years.

"Rick was so strong about (his wife's illness)," Bidwell said. "It's just a shame. It's just a very sad situation."

Police did not have detailed descriptions of the robbers Tuesday afternoon but released a video of the break-in captured by a surveillance system.

Bidwell said people had tried to break into Shaw's home before, and Shaw bought a gun to protect his family.

Police said they'd been called to the home three times this year.

In March, Proffitt said, one of Shaw's sons reported that someone he'd had a dispute with drove by the home and pointed a gun. Officers also were called to the home June 11, the day Shaw's wife died.

On Friday, Shaw called police saying someone had egged his home.

heavenlyboy34
06-21-2012, 12:40 PM
:eek: Better get better doors and bolts, folks.

aGameOfThrones
06-21-2012, 12:43 PM
Same thing happened last week in my "state", but without the death.

roho76
06-21-2012, 12:47 PM
The house that I'm going to build will be impenetrable by normal means. They will have to drive a tank through the wall (not unrealistic by any means) to get in.

Steve-in-NY
06-21-2012, 01:02 PM
Thats scary as hell.

JK/SEA
06-21-2012, 01:19 PM
Fuck it, i'll empty my clip on who or what breaks into my home. Guranteed. I may die, or go to jail, but i'll be effing damned if i'll back down. I hear just one kick on my door, it will be game on. Sleeping or otherwise.

CaptainAmerica
06-21-2012, 01:41 PM
In my old neighborhood in the 1990s a group of robbers dressed up as police and knocked on the door of a neighbor and they opened the door and got held hostage by fake policemen.

tod evans
06-21-2012, 02:11 PM
:eek: Better get better doors and bolts, folks.

A serpentine entrance hall before a reinforced door is the only semi-effective moderately priced means of limiting door access.

Don't forget windows/ skylites and 2x4 framed walls :eek:

donnay
06-21-2012, 02:16 PM
Are we sure these were plain old thieves? I would say, what is the difference anymore.

Henry Rogue
06-21-2012, 02:36 PM
It was only a matter of time. I wonder, what kind of rediculous, oppressive law they will come up with to solve that.

tod evans
06-21-2012, 02:46 PM
When society accepts one group of people donning masks and brandishing arms invading homes to push an agenda, what's to stop another group of people from behaving the same way?

heavenlyboy34
06-21-2012, 02:53 PM
When society accepts one group of people donning masks and brandishing arms invading homes to push an agenda, what's to stop another group of people from behaving the same way?
This^^ I think the arguments against private law enforcement/abolishment of cops just took a giant blow. :D

phill4paul
06-21-2012, 03:11 PM
No Wait!

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnivTy2nTbPT8JCZEw5jp9qMKVpS_3g Hme_vkDBciRHmr0X-znZg

That's just Sgt. Stedenko.
Our bad.

Pericles
06-21-2012, 03:25 PM
Do you want to live in a country, that when your door is busted open in the middle of the night, you are supposed to think: "That could be the police."

heavenlyboy34
06-21-2012, 03:33 PM
A serpentine entrance hall before a reinforced door is the only semi-effective moderately priced means of limiting door access.

Don't forget windows/ skylites and 2x4 framed walls :eek:
iron bars are better than 2x4's IMO.

tod evans
06-21-2012, 03:39 PM
iron bars are better than 2x4's IMO.

No, No, No......."They" are trying to put you behind iron bars....

JK/SEA
06-21-2012, 03:51 PM
My only decision will be if i have time to pop in a second clip.

Kylie
06-21-2012, 03:52 PM
This is why police should conduct themselves as peace officers, by showing up in the morning and knocking on your door like a normal person.

When the police act like criminals, then the criminals will act like police.

Doing away with no-knock early morning raids would go a big way to fixing this shit.

heavenlyboy34
06-21-2012, 04:02 PM
This is why police should conduct themselves as peace officers, by showing up in the morning and knocking on your door like a normal person.

When the police act like criminals, then the criminals will act like police.

Doing away with no-knock early morning raids would go a big way to fixing this shit.
but, but...if they don't do teh raids, how will they catch teh bad guyz?! ;) /sarc